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And fortunately for me I can focus and be pissed simultaneously...they are complimentary.

Um, not sure that is true.  It isn't true for me in any case -- well no more than any anger suggests to me now that my attention is better served elsewhere.
Michelle still struggles, and gets angry, but really a kind of tranquility has dropped upon me. I am not happy with how things are, but I have found a sort of peace with it.
Without some struggle our lives become meaningless.
When you ask people who went through the great depression about their experience they would often reply that it was one of the best times of their lives,
not because  of material comfort, but because of the comfort and meaning they found in themselves and others.
Humans are simply not made to live lives of ease and prosperity and they work damn hard the screw it up if that occurs.
There is good in that to be found if you look for it.

I congratulate you on having found your equanimity, W.  I'm still swinging between rage and depression, but working on it.
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And fortunately for me I can focus and be pissed simultaneously...they are complimentary.

Um, not sure that is true.  It isn't true for me in any case -- well no more than any anger suggests to me now that my attention is better served elsewhere.
Michelle still struggles, and gets angry, but really a kind of tranquility has dropped upon me. I am not happy with how things are, but I have found a sort of peace with it.
Without some struggle our lives become meaningless.
When you ask people who went through the great depression about their experience they would often reply that it was one of the best times of their lives,
not because  of material comfort, but because of the comfort and meaning they found in themselves and others.
Humans are simply not made to live lives of ease and prosperity and they work damn hard the screw it up if that occurs.
There is good in that to be found if you look for it.

Well, I'm pissed or on the verge of being pissed pretty much always...Lord knows there's plenty impelling it...but, I'm still focused on what I'm doing home and lake even if it is doing it myself...and managing my fathers finances (better than my own), holding down a boring job I can do in my sleep...

The only way I know of nearing tranquility is if I get a head start out of a bottle...and I cannot say I haven't made significant excursions in that regard...

Sounds like you've attained enlightenment...I reckon I won't see that till I shed this shell...
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Well, I'm pissed or on the verge of being pissed pretty much always...Lord knows there's plenty impelling it...

Yes, and Michelle is in pretty much the same state. I don't think its good for you.

 This is a serenity prayer moment.

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God, give me grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.

Living one day at a time,
Enjoying one moment at a time,
Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace,
Taking, as Jesus did,
This sinful world as it is,
Not as I would have it,
Trusting that You will make all things right,
If I surrender to Your will,
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life,
And supremely happy with You forever in the next.

Amen. (-Karl Paul Reinhold Niebuhr)

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but, I'm still focused on what I'm doing home and lake even if it is doing it myself...and managing my fathers finances (better than my own), holding down a boring job I can do in my sleep...

The only way I know of nearing tranquility is if I get a head start out of a bottle...and I cannot say I haven't made significant excursions in that regard...

Maybe it is time you put down the  bottle and make some changes?  ( there are still plenty of bottles around here, so I can't say I am great in this regard.. )  I know its not easy,  but the challenges of making changes will put you - as Jordan Peterson says - in a situation with one foot in chaos and the other in order - and from that place you will find meaning and perspective. If you can port that job to the hinterlands then take it,do it in your sleep and work on meaningful prepping and skill building during the waking hours.  If the job is not portable, see what you could do in the hinterlands that won't make you scratch your own eyes out. Having a job you like and that is challenging  is far better than having the sleeping kind ( Yes I have a sleeper job myself) - and if it results in a loss of salary.. see if you can make it work anyway.  once you have a place with no or a small  mortgage , wood heat, solar power, and animals/greenhouse   you can get by on surprisingly little. Maybe that place is the lake house - or maybe it isn't. What is destructive is not being able to instantly convert the energy of your anger and frustration into useful prepping at a moments notice. I get to feeling like that and I go out and find something useful to do - even if its just a long walk for my health - but really  I have a  never ending list of chores to choose from.

The hardest part for me was actually leaving the rat race.. I had a fair amount of ego invested in my "white collar" job that had me attending "important meetings" and traveling to sometimes exotic locales,  and which allowed me the  "nice house" in a "good neighborhood"   that demonstrated I had "made it" and achieved "success" - My  mountain place is a double wide, and my farmhouse is an ongoing project.  Neither location is  fancy or impressive supporintg the latest styles and furnishings. .  One smells strongly of cowsh*t in certain times of the year. I live on the "wrong side" of the tracks, and my neighbors and friends are all blue collar (and the salt of the earth because of it) . I work in phone/web support now. Its still a white collar job, but it pays less and certainly lacks the challenge, prestige and pay of sales. But in giving that up, I was able to live where I wanted ( Airport? I don't need no stinking Airport) and started doing the things that really needed to be done, and I lost that materialistic bent - and the worries that go with it, and started to value other things far more highly.  There is a sure way of getting more of what you want. Want less.

Every  day I become a little more capable and self sufficient. My lower pay and the problems that come with the homestead force me to learn new skills and try new things as I generally cannot afford to hire work done for me. But as I do become more capable and self-sufficient I gain the confidence I can handle more of what is coming, and realize that what happens on the horizon really doesn't affect me personally much at all, and its mostly  stuff I cannot affect or change at any rate. I am often frustrated and feel overwhelmed - but not by  events on the horizon, but by the broken pump controller in freezing temps,   or the broken septic line,  or by taking on a new project I have no clue and no skill with. My problems are ALL things I can affect, and often I get help from the neighbors , and sometimes I get the opportunity to return it, and gratitude for simple things is slowly becoming the rule in my life. (my selection of country songs was not accidental - and since I still sometimes forget,its nice to have them as reminders. ) There are still personal conflicts and frustrations - especially as my body begins to betray me, and I can't say I am "totally happy" or "at ease" - but I am not sure those are even worthy goals at this point. Accomplishment at real world practical  problems  is more fulfilling as is the peace of mind of knowing that -there- I got that bit figured out and sorted so I am ready for disaster.   Its not enlightenment by any means, but I feel my current , and I feel better ,  state  is a direct result of starting to live a more "genuine" life - a thing , after all," is only worth the time put in" - and I can't recommended deciding to make the changes to get to this point  highly enough.

Get out of town,  get out of your head,  get some animals and a garden,  and try to do everything yourself and/or relying on friendships - even if you can afford to hire it done -  and  this noise on the horizon becomes sooo much easier to ignore - and to feel safe ignoring, and things are more calm...


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Wise words Weisshaupt.  I need to try and take them to heart, but it is hard living in the rat race.  God bless you.
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Well, serenity prayer I know...but I don't believe in not being able to change anything...sure there is scale to consider but I believe I have all choices open...and all benefits and consequences along with them...and not putting the bottle down if I want it...but I will say beyond a shadow of a doubt that getting out of the rat race (city job, city home, city jackasses) and bugging out to the lake will instantly improve my mood...and I am at the point where I want to make short cuts and make it happen faster...and if I am hampered out the gate, so be it...don't care, I'll figure something out...my patience is melting like ice in a frying pan.
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Well, serenity prayer I know...but I don't believe in not being able to change anything...sure there is scale to consider but I believe I have all choices open...and all benefits and consequences along with them...and not putting the bottle down if I want it...but I will say beyond a shadow of a doubt that getting out of the rat race (city job, city home, city jackasses) and bugging out to the lake will instantly improve my mood...and I am at the point where I want to make short cuts and make it happen faster...and if I am hampered out the gate, so be it...don't care, I'll figure something out...my patience is melting like ice in a frying pan.

I now pick up a bottle less often -- and really that is a start. ( My ability to be productive sharply declines with a bottle around. So no judgement implied , just a statement of fact)
I didn't say nothing could be changed, but you need the wisdom to know what can be - that is the point of the prayer - some things can't be changed, and its a certain that even if they could be, fretting and complaining will not be the methods by which that occurs.

Consider taking  those short-cuts now. Consider cashing out retirement accounts and selling any assets ( the money I got this year was from selling a very sentimental piece of land where I camped as a child and that my parents gifted to me on our wedding day )   - they won't survive the economic collapse anyway, and  if you are likely dying in a hail of bullets in 10 years what good does retirement money do you? And prices seem to be only going up.. Its hard to predict the future ( my new solar system is half the cost of the one at the Mountain home)  but this isn't about accumulating money - but accumulating self-worth,  competency and self-sufficiency.

Of course you must then accept that there will be no "retirement" for you and you may have to live and help out with children or relatives in old age ( which I firmly believe will keep you active and living a meaningful life.. this idea of "independent living' as one ages isn't a great one in my opinion.I have no problem wandering off from camp at some point when I have become too burdensome..)

 Of course, unable to afford homes, maybe those children and relatives are living with you in what you built with the "retirement funds".  Once you have the baseline finances sorted, then find that job that fits the situation, again accepting that fancy resort vacations,  the prestige of a white collar job, and other luxuries may not be on the table ( as they weren't for nearly every person in every generation before you, and probably only existed recently because of the shameless borrowing against our own children and grandchildren) )   Stop trying to get your family to participate - if your extra efforts are what save them in the end , so what?  Better to be generous with something you have  than to lack it and be the one begging.  If your siblings bitch you are living at the lake house  and should pay for the privilege  , just point to the money,  time and effort you are putting into improvements .

I had another friend, older than I , who quit his high paying sales management position and took a job with the State of Wyoming doing... tech support, just about the time I was thinking of getting the bugout place.. . He outright bought a smallish suburban  home in not the best neighborhood of Cheyenne (crime is low there regardless)  and took a $100K cut in income.  He worked at the state long enough to get a small retirement -and has Social Security, and a pension from way back in the Bell Telephone days. With no mortgage he does just fine - he gets about 30-40K a year - and has  money left over to buy guns and support his hobbies -  which mostly consist of hunting, reloading and shooting. ( He is literally hunting at least 1/3 of the days in a year, and shoots 3-4 times a week at an awesome local outdoor range) )   Even with the inflated powder and  ammo  prices he is still able to do this..  His  food bills are not all that high either, and he is out and about all of the time and is basically an honorary grandparent to my kids and those of another mutual friend (ex military) . He is part of my clan, and I part of his. He confided to me  he wished he had gotten  out sooner than he did.  Money  does not equal quality of life.

I have another friend ( also a clan member)  who feels handcuffed to his job by  the regualr stock options-- but has his bugout in South Dakota. COVID finally let him go there and get some work done - he finally  installed the Solar System we bought at the same time when I did the mountain house..and he too remarked at the simple joy of just getting things done that put time into himself and his own life. I wish he would just take those next steps ( he is single, earns $150K + a year , and has been stacking  PMs for a decade now.. He financed his building loan on his bugout  by putting silver up as collateral)  Money  does not equal quality of life. He hates his job. He hates being in the burbs. He wants to be in SD close to his mom and family.  But he still has too much pride and ego investment as I once did.

At this point even if the disaster I am prepping for never materializes,  the new way of life that  prepping pushed me into is far superior to the vacuous, less meaningful one I lived in the burbs.
Some will look and say "all of that money wasted" or  "He used to be somebody and look how he has fallen"  and from one perspective that will be correct.  It was scary making those decisions, but now with hindsight it was some of the best money I have ever spent.  Do it. Make the changes and invite that chaos into your life, and and trust that God will use the chaos to push you where you need to be.
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Oh yeah my shortcuts are in prelim phase...and I don't touch the bottle like a young lad anymore so there's a hand-brake on what I do and I rarely draw more than what's comfortable...

And I can live with less, no problem, and if I have to augment with a flunky job fine with me...

Just family issues, eldercare...crazy-ass neighbor looking to get his ass kicked keep getting thrown in my way...

I ache for simplicity...
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Please take your vit D3, maybe 5,000 IU per day.
Buy some horse paste ivermectin at an ag supply store. It can't hurt you and may well help you if taken early in covid.
One dose is around 200 horse pounds on the plunger.
My brother ignored both. He is home from hospital now on an O2 generator for a month likely.
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Please take your vit D3, maybe 5,000 IU per day.
Buy some horse paste ivermectin at an ag supply store. It can't hurt you and may well help you if taken early in covid.
One dose is around 200 horse pounds on the plunger.
My brother ignored both. He is home from hospital now on an O2 generator for a month likely.

Glad to hear your brother is home and recuperating.

That's good advice and don't forget the zinc.

About the Ivermectin, how much of it per pound of person?
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I don't think he comes here that often,try here   http://www.covertconservatives.com/phpbb3/index.php?sid=89aed3a8616b9b3a4de38989be1dd68a
go to the corona thread, he's been on this for awhile

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Please take your vit D3, maybe 5,000 IU per day.
Buy some horse paste ivermectin at an ag supply store. It can't hurt you and may well help you if taken early in covid.
One dose is around 200 horse pounds on the plunger.
My brother ignored both. He is home from hospital now on an O2 generator for a month likely.

Glad to hear your brother is home and recuperating.

That's good advice and don't forget the zinc.

About the Ivermectin, how much of it per pound of person?

I take my zinc as well.

I read that the dose was maybe 200 mcg per kg for a person and I did the conversion. It came out to the same dose pound as for a horse. The dose varies according to the study but that is a very common one. The horse paste syringe has markings in maybe 50 pound markings up to 1250 pounds. So I squirted about 250 pounds worth onto a spoon and washed it down with lots of water as a preventative. It is most useful in early covid. people on youtube and Amazon describe using it in the past for other ailments.
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I simply sit in the rocker . . . playing my harmonica & sipping peppermint tea . . . had nary a sniffle since the Boogeyman touched down.
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Yah, I nibble at vitamins...and am a believer in a spoonful of local honey per day...and must have robust immune system because still kicking hard in the scamdemic era...other than that, swap that tea for bourbon and the harmonica for a cigar and the picture is complete...

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Yah, I nibble at vitamins...and am a believer in a spoonful of local honey per day...and must have robust immune system because still kicking hard in the scamdemic era...other than that, swap that tea for bourbon and the harmonica for a cigar and the picture is complete...

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Nice . . . and I'm with ya' on eating my honey (been doing that since college).
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Yah, I nibble at vitamins...and am a believer in a spoonful of local honey per day...and must have robust immune system because still kicking hard in the scamdemic era...other than that, swap that tea for bourbon and the harmonica for a cigar and the picture is complete...

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Nice . . . and I'm with ya' on eating my honey (been doing that since college).

I love that honey...natural immune booster...and my non-specific sinus issues seem less bothersome...and can be used as a general wound and burn disinfectant if nothing else available...plus may be some positive BP & blood chemistry benefits...use as a cough syrup...
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I came across a video saying that to use vit D2 to boost vit D quick as vit D3 will take weeks.
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I came across a video saying that to use vit D2 to boost vit D quick as vit D3 will take weeks.

Quick isn't as important as maintaining a D reading as close to 100 as possible. My last reading was almost 150, no side effects. What you take in the AM is usually depleted by the PM depending on your activity so you should stagger your intake with all supplements. You didn't go to the link I gave you did you? The old horse to water thing foottapping

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I came across a video saying that to use vit D2 to boost vit D quick as vit D3 will take weeks.

Quick isn't as important as maintaining a D reading as close to 100 as possible. My last reading was almost 150, no side effects. What you take in the AM is usually depleted by the PM depending on your activity so you should stagger your intake with all supplements. You didn't go to the link I gave you did you? The old horse to water thing foottapping

I have found ...... some horses just aren't thirsty ............  ::confused::
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I went, under duress, to the Dr's office this afternoon ...... and left after being there for 40 minutes of waiting without having seen the Dr. 

That was just the last straw after the receptionist putting on gloves in order to touch my check (I told her the check didn't have cooties and she said she had to keep herself SAFE and didn't know what cooties are) and being ORDERED, twice, to keep the mask up over my nose. 

It isn't enough for these harridans to demand the mask, now they feel empowered to dictate how ya have to wear it.  And they aren't courteous or polite about it.

Just to keep SAFE!  Safesafesafesafe, I now thoroughly hate and detest the word!

eta:  Oh, and everybody was double-masked.
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Blam, blam...just being safe.   ::cussing::
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