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The Indian Bar Association has taken legal action against the World Health Organization’s (WHO) Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan for her alleged role in spreading disinformation on the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19.

The association served a legal notice (pdf) on Swaminathan on May 25, claiming that she was “spreading disinformation and misguiding the people of India, in order to fulfill her agenda” and sought to prevent her from “causing further damage.”

They further say that Swaminathan, in her statements against the use of ivermectin, ignored research and clinical trials from two organizations—the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) Alliance and the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (BIRD)—who have presented solid data showing ivermectin prevents and treats COVID-19.

“Dr. Soumya Swaminathan has ignored these studies/reports and has deliberately suppressed the data regarding effectiveness of the drug Ivermectin, with an intent to dissuade the people of India from using Ivermectin,” the plaintiff said in a statement (pdf).

In a May 10 tweet that has since been deleted after the notice was issued, Swaminathan wrote, “Safety and efficacy are important when using any drug for a new indication. WHO recommends against the use of ivermectin for COVID-19 except within clinical trials.”

Swaminathan made the Twitter post soon after Goa’s health minister announced that every Goa resident 18 and older would be given ivermectin as prevention regardless of their COVID-19 status, as part of the state government’s effort to stop the transmission of the virus. India has been hit hard in the second wave of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus pandemic beginning in March 2021.

The legal notice calls for a clear response from Swaminathan on a number of key points, and the association said that in the case of a failure to provide a clear response, it reserves the right to initiate prosecution under sections of the Indian Penal Code and Disaster Management Act, 2005.

The WHO’s chief scientist didn’t reply to a request for comment.

A link to Merck’s statement on ivermectin was also included in Swaminathan’s tweet. The pharmaceutical company that developed the anti-parasitic drug in the 1980s and held a patent until 1996 said in February of this year that the available data did not support the efficacy and safety of ivermectin beyond what the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had approved it for.

Merck, in collaboration with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, is conducting a Phase 3 trial of an investigational anti-viral drug molnupiravir, which the company says has shown to reduce infectious viruses quicker in COVID-19 outpatients. But unlike ivermectin, molnupiravir demonstrated no clinical benefit in hospitalized patients.

The trial is expected to complete later this October and Merck said it will apply for an emergency authorization use for the drug if results are favorable.

Researchers are hoping that molnupiravir will impair the CCP virus’s ability to replicate so as to prevent severe illness and hospitalization, something that ivermectin has demonstrated to do in a meta-analysis of 57 clinical trials involving more than 18,000 patients, according to ivmmeta.com, a website that provides real-time meta-analysis of ivermectin studies.

In 23 early treatment studies, there was a 78 percent improvement in patients given ivermectin, and in 14 preventative trials, an 85 percent improvement was shown. As for the studies involving late treatment, there was a 45 percent improvement in 20 studies.

Proponents of ivermectin say the drug can treat all stages of COVID-19 and reduce hospitalization and mortality rates due to its anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties. But there has been pushback on approving the drug as a COVID-19 treatment by the United States federal health authorities and the WHO.

The FDA says it hasn’t approved ivermectin for COVID-19 and issued a warning in early March informing people to not take the drug meant for animals, as the larger doses intended for animals may be harmful to humans.

While the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the largest medical research agency, is neither recommending for or against using ivermectin to treat COVID-19 in its updated guideline in February. This comes after members of the FLCCC Alliance presented their data to the agency at the beginning of the year.

In April, the NIH announced it would fund a large randomized, controlled study of seven repurposed drugs to treat mild to moderate COVID-19 patients. The research agency said it will begin enrolling for its Phase 3 trial on ivermectin this month.

“Trial enrollment is expected to open this month, and the trial is expected to run for up to 2 years,” an NIH spokesperson told The Epoch Times via email.

The WHO, in its Living Guideline, has advised against the use of ivermectin except in a clinical setting, citing inconclusive data similar to both the FDA and the NIH.

“The current evidence on the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19 patients is inconclusive,” the WHO said in a press release. “Until more data is available, WHO recommends that the drug only be used within clinical trials.”

Dr. Pierre Kory, President and Chief Medical Officer of the FLCCC Alliance claims there is a concerted effort to censor information on the effectiveness of ivermectin against COVID-19, a disease caused by the CCP virus.

“There are forces that are seeking to make sure that ivermectin is not accepted widely as an effective therapy,” Kory said in an interview on June 1.

“We have randomized [trials], you have observational [studies], you have case series, you have epidemiologic analyses, and then the clinical experience of doctors. You can’t find a doctor who has incorporated ivermectin into their treatments who will come back and say my patients didn’t get better, you can’t find that doctor,” he added.

While ivermectin is yet to be approved as a treatment for COVID-19, doctors around the world, including in the United States, are offering the drug to their patients. And for doctors who refuse to administer the drug to patients suffering severe COVID-19, judges have had to order them to do so.

In their legal notice, the Indian Bar Association cited the case of 80-year-old Judith Smentkiewicz, who made a full recovery after being on a ventilator and told she only had a 20 percent chance of survival. Her family obtained a court order that allowed her to receive additional doses of ivermectin after doctors were hesitant to give her more than one dose, according to Buffalo News.

Smentkiewic’s family and attorneys say they believe that ivermectin saved her life.

Ivermectin is on the WHO’s list of essential medicines and has a high safety profile with more than 3.7 billion doses having been distributed in over 30 years.

Since the drug was first given to humans in 1987, there have only been 4,600 adverse events and 16 deaths reported on the pharmacovigilance database, according to Dr. Tess Lawrie in an interview on March 6. Lawrie is director of Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd. and co-founder of the BIRD panel, which includes international expert scientists and doctors who are advocating for the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19.

Remdesivir, an anti-viral drug, is the only FDA-approved therapy for treating hospitalized COVID-19 patients. The drug has shown no effect on mortality and a minuscule benefit on time of recovery that even the WHO has recommended against its use last November.

A treatment course of remdesivir is a little over $3,000, while ivermectin ranges between $3 to $12 a treatment, according to Kory.

He also said that places in India where ivermectin is used preventatively or as early treatment, such as Goa and Uttar Pradesh, are seeing COVID-19 cases declining versus states that have banned the drug.

“Every one of those states, the curves are now precipitously declining,” said Kory.

“But there’s a state in India called Tamil Nadu whose minister there basically effectively outlawed ivermectin and went all-in on remdesivir, bought a whole bunch of remdesivir, [and] the cases and deaths in that state are skyrocketing,” he added.

The Epoch Times has reached out to the chief minister in Tamil Nadu for comment.

According to data by the Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering, Tamil Nadu saw 20,421 new cases and 434 deaths on June 6, while Goa recorded 403 new cases and 16 deaths, and Uttar Pradesh reported 1,037 cases and 85 deaths.

Uttar Pradesh, one of the most populous states in India with over 200 million people, has been handing out free medical kits containing seven days’ worth of medication, one of which is ivermectin, for COVID-19 positive patients under home isolation.
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Re:  the bolding:  sure, sure, it's not as thought there are many other drugs being used effectively off-label.
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My brother ignored my vit D recommendation. He later told me he took a multivitamin. He caught covid, finally went to the clinic then to hospital by ambulance. He said O2 sats in the 70a. I only learned of that after he went to hospital down in IL. They gave him the convalescent plasma, remdesivir. steroids. He was in bad shape for several days.I sent him a get well card with some India ivermectin taped inside, to  take before he went on ventilator PLEASE.
He did not. He is home now on O2.

I take 4-5K IU of vit D plus some vit K2 daily. My vit D level was 50.

Oops. Pandora posted the link below before me.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/worse-thought-fauci-top-us-doctors-caught-conspired-disquality-hydroxychloroquine-covid-treatment-millions-dead-result/

Cardiologist and Professor of Medicine Peter McCullough testified in Texas earlier this year. Dr. McCullough sees COVID patients and says 85% of COVID patients given multi-drug treatment plan recover from the disease with complete immunity. McCullough added, “The pandemic could have been over by now, he says, if those who tested positive for covid had been immediately treated before they fell ill enough to be hospitalized. He also says that thousands could have been, and still could be saved if the treatment protocol he and other physicians use were not suppressed.”

https://c19hcq.com/




A great site below
https://ivmmeta.com/
 I may have posted this before but check on table 4 in the above site, pasted below. Remdesivir is $3K per bag. My brother got 3 or 4 bags.
 
Evidence base used for other COVID-19 approvals
Medication              Studies   Patients   Improvement
Budesonide (UK)   1   1,779   17% approved
Remdesivir (USA)   1   1,063   31% approved
Casiri/imdevimab (USA)   1   799   66% approved
Ivermectin       58 18,776           71% [63?78%] pending
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Marxists of a feather always scheme together...

C - O - N - S - P - I - R - A - C - Y
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TX & FL in a race for being more free than despot states...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/texas-bans-businesses-requiring-vaccine-passports

That's the best race to enter into!!!   ::thumbsup::
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Seems some are at least aware of the old "follow the money" method of investigation to start the process of actually becoming aware of the truth of things.

https://twitter.com/VictoryDay_Hope/status/1402258535161995265

"...can't manage talcum powder..."   ::hysterical::

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Ivermectin is still not approved for use with covid in the US.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/merck-says-us-govt-buy-about-17-mln-courses-cos-covid-19-drug-2021-06-09/
U.S. signs $1.2 bln deal for 1.7 mln courses of Merck's experimental COVID-19 drug
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In short, some people in Australia did a lab experiment in a petri disk and saw that ivermectin killed off viruses but had a high concentration.
'https://youtu.be/kSWjl-JOIqs?t=522
Some medical or govt people in Peru decided to give IVM a try for the whole country but were attacked as reckless so they stopped but some Peru states kept on or restarted. IVM is known to be safe BTW from other long term uses. So some people in Peru are the first good guys.

Discovery of novel COVID treatment (Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein)
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Then some guys like Paul Marik and some data analyst Juan Chamie noticed patterns in Peru and reported on this around Oct 2020.
https://twitter.com/jjchamie
 
https://youtu.be/aw9bkHnQnY4
Juan Chamie Discusses COVID in India and Mexico

A  historical description of how ivermetin use for covid was discovered, based mostly on Peru.
https://youtu.be/d6MZSWXr9Vo
Discussing Ivermectin And COVID-19 With 4 Experts! Dr.'s Scheim, Hibberd, Kory, And Juan Chamie!
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https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3765018

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I posted this in another topic as example of how we live in a post factual world. I did not know this happened back then.

Here is another shocking example. 19 min long.
https://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM
Peter McCullough, MD testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee
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re the above video clip this Aug 2020 paper caused a sh*tstorm. He is a very well published med school professor.
He wrote a paper on covid treatment based on Italian results. Saying there are early treatments was thoughtcrime.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7410805/
Am J Med. 2021 Jan; 134(1): 16–22.
Published online 2020 Aug 7. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2020.07.003
PMCID: PMC7410805
PMID: 32771461
Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection

His daughter helped him make a youtube video including 4 slides from the paper. Youtube took down the video for misinformation.

There were/are two schools of thought. Only the first was allowed back then.
1. If you have covid there is nothing to be done. Stay home until you cannot breathe anymore then come to the hospital (like my brother).

OR
2. If you have covid
The basic groups of prescription medicines and other therapies used in COVID-19

Combination anti-viral medicines started as soon as symptoms occur

Medicines to decrease inflammation, such as corticosteroids (called immunomodulators)

Anticoagulant therapy to prevent blood-clots that can cause strokes, heart attacks, kidney shut-down, and death.

Non-prescription supportive treatments with zinc, vitamin D, vitamin C, electrolyte drinks such as Pedialyte, and others

Home-based oxygen support, such as with an oxygen concentrator. These machines are available by physician prescription from home health medical supply businesses and are covered on most medical insurance plans.


Treatments start at page 16 below
https://aapsonline.org/CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.pdf
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Ivermectin is still not approved for use with covid in the US.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/merck-says-us-govt-buy-about-17-mln-courses-cos-covid-19-drug-2021-06-09/
U.S. signs $1.2 bln deal for 1.7 mln courses of Merck's experimental COVID-19 drug

Provide requested treatment...or else...
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Ivermectin is still not approved for use with covid in the US.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/merck-says-us-govt-buy-about-17-mln-courses-cos-covid-19-drug-2021-06-09/
U.S. signs $1.2 bln deal for 1.7 mln courses of Merck's experimental COVID-19 drug

Provide requested treatment...or else...

This is downright evil at this point!
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Ivermectin is still not approved for use with covid in the US.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/merck-says-us-govt-buy-about-17-mln-courses-cos-covid-19-drug-2021-06-09/
U.S. signs $1.2 bln deal for 1.7 mln courses of Merck's experimental COVID-19 drug

Provide requested treatment...or else...

This is downright evil at this point!

It was a short walk from stupid to evil...

Remember this?  How many years old is this?

https://youtu.be/_gLLZ_D1Lqw
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Concise advice.

See the pamphlet below and share.

p. 13 Find a cooperative doctor

p.16 The protocol with drug names.

Days 1-5 (quick!) anti viral agents.

Days 3-14 anti inflammatory agents.

https://aapsonline.org/CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.pdf
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Neat, downloaded it.  Thanks for sharing.   ::thumbsup::

ETA - My sister said she saw something on Kim Iversen's FB page about Novavax maybe being better and less dangerous jab, does a vax the old fashioned way (time consuming way) of producing live virus protien, killing it and injecting it...thereby letting the system do it's think without the more risky spike-protein of the mRNA jabs...but that it still could have side effects...don't know much about that...so far natural immune system seems robust so not worrying about it...
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Victim count continues to rise...

https://noqreport.com/2021/06/15/19-year-old-college-freshman-dies-from-heart-problem-one-month-after-second-dose-of-moderna-vaccine/

Bad enough to take, or be bullied into taking a dangerous experimental un-normal "vaccine"...but once done, how many even know they can report adverse effects if providers fail to or cannot be trusted to report?

https://www.nvic.org/reportreaction.aspx

As always, what happens after this is wide open for debate.

ETA - OK that didn't take long, maybe the debate will be short...

https://twitter.com/stkirsch/status/1404902414994395138

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