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So wife tests + yesterday and me today. My horse paste expired, bought it way back when. Went to a website and 1% injectable was recommended. Go online to local Tractor Supply and order a bottle. Pick it up. Ask the guy about a syringe and he tells me you can't buy them in NJ ::falldownshocked:: So now I have to figure a way to get it out of the bottle

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Neighboring state?
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I understand the injectable is purer but I took the paste form before.  Whatever impurity is in there is likely not worse than the processed foods I normally eat.

I recall pharmacies sell syringes for diabetics. I bought some once for a project and I just had to sign a list.
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So wife tests + yesterday and me today. My horse paste expired, bought it way back when. Went to a website and 1% injectable was recommended. Go online to local Tractor Supply and order a bottle. Pick it up. Ask the guy about a syringe and he tells me you can't buy them in NJ ::falldownshocked:: So now I have to figure a way to get it out of the bottle
Here (TN),  I used to buy that triple vaccine (parvo,  something else,  and something else) for dogs and it came with a syringe which I used on myself after sterilizing (penicillin for strep infection).
Might wanna check vaccines for other animals and see if they come with a syringe.  Big needle but it don't hurt much. 

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Some indication that people are recovering less and less from adverse vaccine events.

https://alexkrainer.substack.com/p/inject-nothing

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Among other things, he focused on the reports' "recovery" status. Namely, for people who reported an adverse reaction, they can also report whether they have recovered or not by entering either a YES (I have recovered from the adverse reaction) or a NO (I have not recovered).  Paardekooper counted all these yeses and nos for every year from 1991 to 2022 for all ages between 0.08 and 85 years old. His full data analysis of the VAERS database can be found at the following link: https://howbad.info/recov5.pdf

The charts Paardekooper put together tell an astonishing story. The one below shows the recovery rates (YESes) for all ages for years 1994, 2011, 2021 and 2022:

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https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1824500462198071457
🏳??🌈🇺🇸??🚨 “Anyone can get monkeypox, but right now the community that's been hit the hardest is the LGBTQ+ community, especially men who have sex with men.

Gay and bisexual men have been hit the hardest, but it has the potential to spread"

— Transgender US Army Four-Star Admiral Rachel/Richard Levine
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Sexual deviants spread more diseases...

Good to know...
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https://voxday.net/2024/08/19/a-not-cure-worse-than-the-disease/
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    A new large-scale study from renowned scientists at the prestigious University of Oxford has just confirmed that myocarditis and pericarditis only appear in children and adolescents after Covid vaccination and not after infection from the virus.

    The new study looked at the official government data of more than 1 million English children and adolescents aged between five and 11 and 12 and 15. The study compared vaccinated and unvaccinated subjects.

    Vaxxed: 12 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis, 3 deaths
    Unvaxxed: 0 cases; 0 deaths

    Considering there were no COVID deaths in either cohort, health authorities such as the CDC should be IMMEDIATELY telling parents not to vaccinate their kids.

    The myo and pericarditis cases difference is highly statistically significant (p=0.00024). The death differences (3 vs. 0) were just short of statistical significance (p=.13).
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We have learned that eight of the 68 passengers (some media reports are claiming there were only 61 or 62 passengers) aboard the ATR-72 turboprop plant that crashed in a residential area near Sao Paulo, Brazil, on Friday were cancer doctors en route to SBTMO 2024, a cancer and vaccine conference.
There were originally supposed to be 15 cancer doctors aboard the same flight, but seven of them changed their itineraries to take an earlier flight that same day. Those seven survived while the other eight perished along with everyone else on the flight.

It apparently took a while to identify the name of the conference at which these cancer doctors were scheduled to attend. According to "Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives" (@dom_lucre) on X, the media "didn't make it easy" to figure out where these cancer doctors were headed, which begs the question, why?

In case you missed it, check out the following footage showing the plane as it spiraled in a strange way down towards the ground before crashing and exploding:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1822413187012341789

SBTMO, by the way, stands for the Brazilian Society of Bone Marrow Transplantation and Cellular Therapy. Its purpose is to establish voluntary standards and accreditation programs for cellular therapy.

"In a simpler sense, they decide what is considered real or fake in that cancer field," the Dom Lucre X account explains. "If a treatment or cure is suggested, they decide if it is accredited which determines if the treatment or curr [sic] can be used."

In other words, the oncologists were traveling to the conference to hear the latest developments in the cancer field. Perhaps there were some important discoveries on the docket that had to be stopped?

Keep in mind that Big Pharma is all about cancer these days. Even more so than vaccines, companies like Pfizer are betting big on new cancer drugs to keep their profits flowing.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-08-13-8-dead-cancer-doctors-brazil-plane-crash.html

Planes like this do not fall out of the sky like this without some sort of truly catastrophic failure(s)!


The other day, we reported that eight of the 62 (not 68 as was originally reported) people who died in the recent ATR 72 turboprop plane crash in Sao Paulo, Brazil, were doctors headed to an important oncology conference. It has since come out that six of these eight were also scientists who planned to expose mRNA (modRNA) “vaccines” as a cause of turbo cancer.

The following six scientists were planning to do a really good thing before someone sabotaged the plane they were traveling on to ensure their message was never sent or received:

1) Dr. José Roberto Leonel Ferreira, a senior radiologist who had a significant impact in the field of radiology, particularly in pediatric radiology

2) Dr. Mariana Belim, an intensivist in the Adult ICU at the Western Paraná University Hospital (Huop)

3) Dr. Ariane Risso, also from the Uopeccan Cancer Hospital in Cascavel

4) Edilson Hobold, a professor of physical education

5) Deonir Secco, a professor of agricultural engineering

6) Raquel Ribeiro Moreira, a literature professor at the Cascavel campus

All six of these individuals were highly respected professionals in their respective fields. The purpose of their travel was to share their expertise in front of a large audience, which apparently had to be stopped to keep a lid on the truth.

The other two medical professionals who perished were resident medics, reports indicate.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/doctors-killed-in-brazilian-plane-crash-promised-to-release-evidence-tying-mrna-vaccines-to-turbo-cancer/

It's like the Cabalists do not want any opposition, eh?!
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In this new study, part 2, the researchers sought to identify the “extensive range of adverse, crippling, and life-threatening effects.”

Notably, the researchers state that it would be more accurate to refer to “mRNA vaccines” as “modified mRNA gene therapies” or “modmRNA” shots.

In the “Abstract” section of the study’s paper, the researchers write:

“The COVID-19 modified mRNA (modmRNA) lipid nanoparticle-based ‘vaccines’ are not classical antigen-based vaccines but instead prodrugs informed by gene therapy technology.”

They found that the modmRNA injections carry such a high risk of dangerous adverse events, that it would be safer to catch the virus without being vaccinated than to take one of the shots.

The study categorizes the principal adverse events associated with the mRNA products with a brief systems-based synopsis of each of the six domains of potential harm:

cardiovascular
neurological
hematologic
immunological
oncological
reproductive
They found that the Covid modmRNA shots dramatically increase the risk of becoming severely ill or dying from potentially fatal conditions such as cancer or heart failure.

The COVID-19 virus simply doesn’t carry these same risks, the researchers note.

https://slaynews.com/news/vaccines-far-more-dangerous-covid-study-warns/

Won't see this in the dying legacy media...
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I recall Crisco is a vegetable oil substitute for lard.
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WTF does Crisco have to do with Covid

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WTF does Crisco have to do with Covid

I would think that Crisco would come more into play with, uhm . . . Monkey Pox.

(or the activity that could lead one to Monkey Pox)
2 Timothy 1:7
For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but of power & of love and of calm, a well-balanced mind, discipline and self-control.

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WTF does Crisco have to do with Covid

In replying to a post sometimes it says you are not logged in. If you log in it seems to kick you to another topic. If you do not catch it you reply to the wrong topic. i think that happened here.
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WTF does Crisco have to do with Covid

I would think that Crisco would come more into play with, uhm . . . Monkey Pox.

(or the activity that could lead one to Monkey Pox)

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https://t.me/InessaFromYoutube/6972
New Zealand appears to legalize the use of force over an individual during a pandemic.

Who is voting this in? Nobody. And yet there it is.

Particularly juicy pages are from page 119 (Managing false information during a pandemic) to 125 (the power to detain until "preventative treatment" has been administered.)

When the "pandemic" strikes and special powers are enacted, neither my channel nor many others will be able to address the reality of things without consequences.

You can read the full Pandemic Response Plan here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240821202231/https://www.health.govt.nz/publication/new-zealand-pandemic-plan-framework-action

New Zealand Pandemic Plan: A framework for action

Interim update – July 2024
Published online:
12 July 2024

This version of the New Zealand Pandemic Plan updates the New Zealand Influenza Pandemic Plan: A framework for action (Ministry of Health 2017).

The interim update was completed at pace, is limited in scope, and reflects changes to how the health system is run since the 2022 reforms and some of the early lessons from the COVID-19 response.
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Table 8: Health sector surveillance objectives
Objective National strategy or systems Owner Relevant
phase
Identify and monitor
international events of
concern and related
advice to inform action
in New Zealand
International Health Regulations 2005
(WHO 2006) and WHO communication
channels
Ministry of Health All
Detect cases and
clusters early
Notification through public health
services and laboratories
Public health
services, Ministry
of Health
Keep It Out,
Stamp It Out
Detect cases and
contacts
Monitoring of probable and confirmed
cases notified to the local medical
officer of health and through EpiSurv
(a database that collates notifiable
disease information) and Notifiable
Disease Management System
Public health
services, Health
New Zealand
All
Detect community
transmission
EpiSurv and sentinel surveillance and
genomic surveillance in various
settings
Ministry of Health,
Health New
Zealand
Stamp It Out
Monitor virological
changes domestically
Virological surveillance (various
methods) and molecular
epidemiological assessments of viral
transmissibility, disease severity and
impacts, including on prevention (eg,
vaccine effectiveness) and treatment
(eg, antiviral resistance) measures
Health New
Zealand
All
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Objective National strategy or systems Owner Relevant
phase
Monitor the level of
influenza-like illness,
infection and disease
activity in the
community and the
pressure on primary
health care services
Monitoring of influenza-like illness
consultations in sentinel practices
Ministry of Health,
Health New
Zealand
All
Influenza-like illness sentinel
surveillance (including virological
surveillance)
influenza-like illness sentinel
surveillance
Monitoring of influenza-like illness-
related calls to Healthline
Flu-tracking citizen science9 influenza-
like illness surveillance
Notifiable disease surveillance as
above (consider a role for over-the-
counter rapid antigen test self-
reporting)
Monitoring of testing and positivity
rates
Possible infection and sero-prevalence
surveys to assess prevalence
Possible Wastewater-based
epidemiology quantitation to monitor
infection trends
Monitor containment
activities being
undertaken
Monitoring of, for example:
• volumes of flights
• levels of contact tracing and
contact tracing performance
metrics
• levels of laboratory testing and
demographic coverage
Ministry of Health,
Public health
services, Health
New Zealand
Keep It Out,
Stamp It Out
Monitor pressure and
impacts on health
services and levels of
resources
Monitoring of, for example:
• public health services
• ambulance services
• primary health care use
• hospitalisations
• severe acute respiratory infections
• intensive care unit admissions and
ventilator use
• illness among personnel
• antivirals (national reserve supplies)
• vaccines uptake and equity of
access
• laboratory and testing services
• Healthline calls
Health New
Zealand
All
9 Citizen science is research conducted with participation from the general public, or amateur/
nonprofessional researchers.
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Objective National strategy or systems Owner Relevant
phase
Monitor the impact on
the community and
population groups
Monitoring of data on absences from:
• schools
• the workforce in Health New
Zealand (including public health
services)
• employers in certain industries
• the state sector
Monitoring of impacts in certain
settings (eg, aged residential care
services)
Epidemiological analysis and research
on impacts across population groups
Ministry of Health,
Health New
Zealand, NPHS,
Whaikaha,
Ministry of
Education, State
Services
Commission
All
Assess the effectiveness
of interventions
Review and evaluation of the
pandemic response
Ministry of Health,
Health New
Zealand,
Whaikaha, other
government
agencies
All
Detect and monitor
deaths
EpiSurv and the Office of the Chief
Coroner
The Ministry of Health only reports
deaths confirmed as being due to the
pandemic virus to the WHO.
Alternative pragmatic definitions of
death may be needed as well.
Ministry of Health,
Health New
Zealand
All
Detect and monitor
longer-term morbidity
and sequalae associated
with the infection
Review hospital discharge data, health
survey and other relevant information
sources
Ministry of Health,
Health New
Zealand
Track the characteristics
of the virus
internationally,
including information
on incubation and
infectious periods,
severity, transmissibility
and antiviral sensitivity
Epidemiological reports from the
WHO, other health authorities and
sources
Ministry of Health All
Anticipate future
scenarios (modelling)
Modelling that describes potential
pandemic scenarios of cases and
hospitalisations and evaluates the
impact of potential public health
actions and policies
All All
Monitor public attitudes
and behavioural data
Behavioural surveys to assess
sentiment, social licence for public
health actions
Methods to track attitudes,
understanding and behavioural trends
over time
Monitoring systems to identify and
track levels of dis- and misinformation
All All
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Legislation
Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses or other entities
that includes the possibility of compulsory measures being taken must be authorised
by statute. The action is otherwise likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be
contrary to the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.
Mandated measures may include:
• requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may include arrivals
to New Zealand)
• quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially exposed and those
with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at home) or
prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
• restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
• restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
• imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact tracing (eg,
future travel plans or past travel history)
• requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
• requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to do so only
under certain conditions
• commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).
Where response measures involve mandated actions, particularly those that restrict
basic freedom of movement and association, a system needs to be developed with
clear criteria and processes to allow for exemptions to be sought and issued in a timely
and transparent manner.
Legislative measures
In a pandemic response, Government and designated officers may use available
legislative powers as appropriate to the particular situation. These include:
• powers provided for in the Health Act 1956 (‘routine’ and ‘special’ powers)
• additional powers available under the Epidemic Preparedness Act 2006 to facilitate
the management of serious epidemics of specified diseases
• additional powers under the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act 2002 (in a
state of emergency declared under that Act) if required in a very severe situation.
The powers in the Health Act 1956 and the Epidemic Preparedness Act 2006 can be
exercised only in relation to specific diseases or categories of disease (notifiable
disease and infectious disease, in the case of the Health Act, and quarantinable disease,
in the case of the Epidemic Preparedness Act). In particular, the Epidemic Preparedness
Act relates to only nine named quarantinable diseases set out in Part 3 of Schedule 1 of
the Health Act. (Quarantinable diseases are specifically dealt with in Part 4 of the

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Health Act.) Infectious disease management powers, whether or not applied in an
emergency, were revised in 2017; they are set out in Part 3A of the Health Act. They
apply to all the infectious diseases set out in Schedule 1, including quarantinable
diseases.
Other legislation that contains provisions relevant to managing a pandemic includes:
• the Health (Infectious and Notifiable Diseases) Regulations 2016
• the Health (Burial) Regulations 1946
• the Health (Quarantine) Regulations 1983
• the Cremation Regulations 1983
• the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act 2003
• the Medicines Act 1981 (and regulations made under that Act)
• event-specific legislation that may be enacted, such as the COVID-19 Public Health
Response Act 2020
• the Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) Act 2022.
The Medicines Act 1981 provides mechanisms for the approval and classification of
medicines and controls conditions for prescribing, dispensing and selling medicines
(including vaccines). These controls can be changed quickly by notice in the Gazette
and may be relevant in particular pandemic situations. For example, in 2009 a Gazette
notice authorised the supply of prescription medications without a prescription when
supplied from a CBAC.
Table 9 provides a summary of specific legislative provisions.
Health Act 1956
The Health Act 1956 (and its associated regulations) is the core statute for a wide range
of public health functions. It details significant health protection roles for the Minister
of Health, the Director-General of Health, the Director of Public Health, statutory
officers (such as medical officers of health and health protection officers) and local
government officers (such as environmental health officers).
Medical officers of health and health protection officers would rely on two kinds of
primary powers in a pandemic: routine and special, as follows.
• Routine powers are available to the officers, and do not usually need prior approval
by someone else to use (although exercise of the Part 3A powers with regard to
non-notifiable infectious diseases requires the prior approval of the Director of
Public Health under delegation from the Director-General of Health).
• Special powers (for medical officers of health only) need prior authorisation
granted:
– by the Minister of Health
– by virtue of an epidemic notice having been issued by the Prime Minister under
the Epidemic Preparedness Act 2006 in connection with a quarantinable disease
– by virtue of a state of emergency having been declared under the Civil Defence
Emergency Management Act 2002.
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When authorised to do so, medical officers of health can exercise potentially very
significant powers. Such officers are accountable to, and subject to direction from, the
Director-General of Health. During COVID-19, significant powers were exercised at a
national level by the Director-General rather than by local medical officers of health.
Routine and special powers as defined in the legislation relate to specific diseases or
categories of disease.
The term ‘non-seasonal influenza’ (capable of being transmitted between human
beings) applies to any new form of influenza. Non-seasonal influenza is now specified
as a notifiable, infectious disease by its inclusion in Part 1 of Schedule 1 of the Health
Act. As such, medical officers of health may be authorised to use the Health Act’s
special powers to help manage non-seasonal influenza in the event of a pandemic, or
simply use the powers in Part 3A of the Act. However, there are some distinctions
between the two sets of powers, which means advice should be sought at the time
about which set is appropriate. For example, the special powers can be used nationally
and apply to whole communities as well as individuals. In most cases, Part 3A powers
only apply to individual cases and contacts, or suspected cases. An exception is a
direction to close an educational institution or part of it. The police are not expressly
authorised to enforce directions under Part 3A, but have an explicit enforcement role
with regard to the special powers.
Routine powers
Several routine powers are relevant in the pandemic context.
A medical officer of health or health protection officer has the power to enter any
premises, including by boarding an aircraft or ship, at any reasonable time if he or she
‘has reason to believe that there is or recently has been any person suffering from a
notifiable infectious disease or recently exposed to the infection of any such disease’
(section 77 of the Health Act).
The power to examine allows a medical officer of health or health protection officer to
medically examine any person in any premises, including on an aircraft or a ship, to
ascertain whether a person believed to be suffering from a notifiable infectious disease
or recently exposed is suffering or has recently suffered from the disease (section 77).
The power to detain at a specified place of residence for isolation purposes allows a
medical officer of health to issue a written direction to a person or contact whom the
officer believes on reasonable grounds poses a public health risk arising from an
infectious disease under sections 92I to section 92K. These sections outline a variety of
conditions the officer may specify in the direction, including to stay at all or specified
times at a specified place of residence, subject to specified conditions. The direction
must specify its duration. Directions cannot be used to compel a person to seek
treatment under Part 3A. For that to happen, the officer must apply for and be granted
a public health order, order for contacts or medical examination order with a treatment
order component under that Part. A medical officer of health may issue a direction
under section 92K to a person to undergo a medical examination, although several
preconditions must first be met (eg, the person has not complied with a previous
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A medical officer of health can also issue directions to the head of an educational
institution where staff or students pose a public health risk because of infectious
disease and the risk is unlikely to be managed effectively by solely giving directions to
individuals (section 92L). A medical officer of health may, after consultation with the
head of the institution, direct them to direct a student or staff member to stay away
from the institution for a specified period, until the infection risk has passed (section
92L). The Communicable Diseases Control Manual (Health New Zealand nd) (currently
under review) sets out disease incubation periods for various infectious diseases, which
will assist in determining how long unimmunised contacts and infectious cases must
stay away from the institution. Alternatively, the head may decide to take action
themselves, under the Education and Training Act 2020. Where it is necessary to close
part or all of the institution, the medical officer of health can issue a direction for
closure to the institution’s head.
Subpart 5 of Part 3A of the Health Act provides for formal contact tracing. This is most
useful in a situation in which voluntary contact tracing is not working, or the case is not
cooperating. A medical officer of health, health protection officer or other person
authorised to contact trace under subpart 5 can require the case to provide specified
information about contacts, including each of their identifying and contact details, in
order for the contact tracer to identify the disease’s source, make contacts aware that
they too may be infected and may require testing and treatment, and limit the
transmission of the disease.
Special powers
Special powers are authorised by the Minister of Health or by an epidemic notice or
apply where an emergency has been declared under the Civil Defence Emergency
Management Act 2002.
The power to detain, isolate or quarantine allows a medical officer of health to ‘require
persons, places, buildings, ships, vehicles, aircraft, animals, or things to be isolated,
quarantined, or disinfected’ (section 70(1)(f)).
The power to prescribe preventive treatment allows a medical officer of health, in
respect of any person who has been isolated or quarantined, to require people to
remain where they are isolated or quarantined until they have been medically
examined and found to be free from infectious disease, and until they have undergone
such preventive treatment as the medical officer of health prescribes (section 70(1)(h)).
The power to requisition premises allows a medical officer of health to requisition
premises and vehicles for the accommodation, treatment and transport of patients
(section 71(1)).
The closure of premises such as schools can be required under sections 70(1)(1a) and
70(1)(m). This can be made by way of written order to the person in charge of the
premises or order published in a newspaper or broadcast by television or radio and
able to be received by most households in the district. If specified in the order,
premises operating certain infection control measures may be exempted from closure.
Section 71A states that a member of the police may do anything reasonably necessary
(including the use of force) to help a medical officer of health or any person authorised
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by the medical officer of health in the exercise or performance of powers or functions
under sections 70 or 71.
These special powers were used for the first time during the response to COVID-19. In
general terms, they performed well. However, there were some mis-steps in their
application, they lack procedural and human rights safeguards and court judgments
have found that while they can be used as a stop-gap measure in emergency
situations, they are not suitable for sustained, complex responses.

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Dr. Mengele had a journey in public service too...

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H/T-CTH

Sick, criminal and Evil!!!   ::outrage::
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Re: Happening in a people's paradise with the best socialist medicine: Coronavirus
« Reply #1719 on: September 04, 2024, 08:16:20 AM »
H/T-WRSA@GAB
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