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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #180 on: September 12, 2023, 01:58:33 PM »

Reading the above link made me remember something.Decades ago US News & World Report was a fantastic magazine. The were conservative but objective and presented both sides of issues in their best light. They even had an opinion page called Pro and Con where the gave a side by side presentation by the best proponents of an issue. I stopped watch TV news in HS and subscribed to a few magazines instead,m including this one.

They did not cover current events but more or news of quarterly interest. I recall three long news stories that surprised me. One was negative on meat packing plants, another the USS Iowa USN attempt to blame a possibly gay/bi sailor, and the benefits that the USSR conferred on central Asia parts of USSR. They were very anti USSR so that surprised me. Reminded me of how the Romans brought civilization to Britain. I recall that the Russian parts of USSR were kinda drained to build up other parts.

I have no opinion on the current war. The Dreizin piece was interesting but complicated.

I trust amateur video blogs more than govt or MSM. My impression is that some parts of USSR are worse off now.Some better. The USSR collapse was an opportunity to loot in some places. 

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #181 on: September 28, 2023, 12:55:48 PM »
I heard that Senator Menendes was the main hold out on giving F-16s to Turkey so maybe the US DOJ went after him to get F-16s to Turkey???

Also the regime change in Pakistan had a Ukraine angle. IMF forgave a loan if Paki sent ammo to Ukraine???

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #182 on: September 28, 2023, 02:03:18 PM »
Neocons took over US Snooze & World Distort decades ago...I quit reading them by the early 90's...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #183 on: September 28, 2023, 03:25:49 PM »

Not NATO but EU. EU screwed Hungary by withholding money. Hungary said no money to Ukraine until they get paid. Also, stop harming ethnic Hungarians in Transcarpathian region.

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #184 on: October 05, 2023, 12:00:27 PM »
See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-jet-shoots-down-turkish-drone-over-syria-after-attack-occupied-oil-field

If we won't leave the NATO idiots and Turkey won't leave the NATO idiots perhaps we can beat on each other and make the NATO idiots kick us both out?

 ::whoohoo::
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #185 on: November 05, 2023, 01:21:17 PM »

https://t.me/intelslava/53152
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #186 on: November 06, 2023, 08:38:21 AM »
Who stirred up those morons and why?

The Rus perhaps?  Erdogan himself?  Both?

Only morons can be so stupendously stupid as to who is to blame for their worsening standard of living...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-sustaining-major-inflation-something-has-give

I think terminal stupidity across the globe is the most nefarious epidemic extant!
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« Reply #187 on: November 06, 2023, 11:20:43 AM »
Who stirred up those morons and why?

The Rus perhaps?  Erdogan himself?  Both?

Only morons can be so stupendously stupid as to who is to blame for their worsening standard of living...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-sustaining-major-inflation-something-has-give

I think terminal stupidity across the globe is the most nefarious epidemic extant!

I think these people watch social media on their own. Govts cannot control much of the information people obtain. They see the bombing of Gaza and riot. I noticed a water canon trying to hit the Turkish demonstrators. I heard that some moderate govts in the region are afraid of their own populace.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #188 on: November 06, 2023, 12:51:45 PM »
Who stirred up those morons and why?

The Rus perhaps?  Erdogan himself?  Both?

Only morons can be so stupendously stupid as to who is to blame for their worsening standard of living...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-sustaining-major-inflation-something-has-give

I think terminal stupidity across the globe is the most nefarious epidemic extant!

I think these people watch social media on their own. Govts cannot control much of the information people obtain. They see the bombing of Gaza and riot. I noticed a water canon trying to hit the Turkish demonstrators. I heard that some moderate govts in the region are afraid of their own populace.

That's the way it should be...but in totalitarian regimes professing democracies (lol) like Turkey are the ones that should be overthrown...but they are not and its due to one common thread - corruption.  So, the morons have only themselves to blame.

You watch, Erdogan will not be kicked to the curb...and he is punishing the people with inflation...

Sound familiar?
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #189 on: November 08, 2023, 09:29:21 AM »
https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,19649.new.html#new

We are never going to see America free itself from this doomed continent...

Russia just keeps giving them gift-wrapped presents they cannot refuse...

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #190 on: November 08, 2023, 11:59:38 AM »
Who stirred up those morons and why?

The Rus perhaps?  Erdogan himself?  Both?

Only morons can be so stupendously stupid as to who is to blame for their worsening standard of living...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-sustaining-major-inflation-something-has-give

I think terminal stupidity across the globe is the most nefarious epidemic extant!

I think these people watch social media on their own. Govts cannot control much of the information people obtain. They see the bombing of Gaza and riot. I noticed a water canon trying to hit the Turkish demonstrators. I heard that some moderate govts in the region are afraid of their own populace.

That's the way it should be...but in totalitarian regimes professing democracies (lol) like Turkey are the ones that should be overthrown...but they are not and its due to one common thread - corruption.  So, the morons have only themselves to blame.

You watch, Erdogan will not be kicked to the curb...and he is punishing the people with inflation...

Sound familiar?

I heard that the fundamentalist Muslims in Turkey center and east out bred those secular in the west and Istanbul  and put Erdogan in power. IMO he is crazy like a fox. Maybe too clever for his own good sometimes.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #191 on: November 09, 2023, 01:41:04 PM »


I don't doubt that US/NATO have lots of war plans. Why not STFU about them?

The Finns helped blockade Leningrad in WWII. Finns from the north and Germans from the south. Over 1 million people starved to death in the siege of Leningrad. I cannot imagine saying this crap.

I recall some US war reenactment group recreated the nuclear bombing of Japan. They made a mushroom cloud appear from the distant ground after some plane dropped something. Some Japanese wag asked if they should reenact the Bataan death march.


https://t.me/ukraine_watch/11988
??NATO plans to blockade Kaliningrad in the event of a war between Russia and the Baltic states.

This was announced by the commander of NATO forces in Lithuania, Peter Nielsen.

According to him, after Sweden joins NATO, its navy and air force will help the alliance blockade Kaliningrad.

And the Finns and Estonians will blockade St Petersburg, Nielsen added.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #192 on: November 09, 2023, 01:53:03 PM »
Why?

While stupidity cannot ever be dismissed by this woke bunch of praetorians...there can be legitimate reasons, like geographically it seems an obvious move so speaking to it means a foe would have to plan for/have contingencies designed to address it which requires resources so there is the asset allocation stress factor and attendant counter-move on contingencies to amp it up...and the intent could be legitimate or it could be a decoy, adding to the fun...

Everybody engages in push and pull and static...nature of the beast...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #193 on: November 29, 2023, 09:06:00 AM »
FWIW...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-tells-erdogan-ratify-swedens-nato-entry-soon-possible-amid-stall

Meh

Meanwhile in Finland a much better show to watch...the border crossings with Russia are closing, tired of Moscow dropping Africans & Middleasterners on them...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/11/28/finland-closes-border-with-russia-to-stop-putins-brown-people/

I guess the exploitation rights for oil & other resources has a side deal to funnel some people onto other people...

Be interesting to see what develops next...   ::popcorn::
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #194 on: December 10, 2023, 04:35:43 PM »

i THINK THIS IS FAKE NEWS.


https://youtu.be/cpVDUF0506U
Turkey Just Left NATO After They Support Israel Instead Of Palestine!
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #195 on: December 11, 2023, 12:00:10 PM »
Ha, I wish!
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #196 on: December 18, 2023, 09:41:10 AM »
A-holes!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/congress-approves-bill-aimed-trump-prevent-any-president-exiting-nato

Fine, doesn't say we cannot ignore them and that they cannot break from us... 

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #197 on: December 18, 2023, 10:51:29 AM »
 As commander in chief the president could move US troops where he wanted. BUT Syria showed that the military can lie to and disobey the president.

Also, I always heard that the USN exists to keep the sea lanes open to international trade. Now international trade is going around the cape to avoid the Suez? US and UK say that just because Ukr kills Russians using US weapons does not mean US is at war with Russia. What if Houthis sink US warships using Iran missiles?

Notice all those military age males crossing the border? Some congressmen were proposing new laws to make it easier for immigrants to enlist then get citizenship.   Since it worked so well for the Romans. /s
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #198 on: December 20, 2023, 08:32:46 AM »
So tired of this a-hole...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/swedens-nato-membership-depends-us-canada-decisions-erdogan

...this maniac just keeps shaking everybody down...

...I think we found someone with a copy of the Epstein little black book...

Seriously, people need to start telling this PITA little troll to eff off!!!
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #199 on: December 20, 2023, 02:53:01 PM »


Of course he shakes people down. That is his nature. NATO, EU, Erdogan. All playing stupid games.
Hungary decides not to veto some recent EU Ukr stuff then EU stabs him in the back anyway.

If NATO demands standardization and Sweden has a large arms industry then what happens to that?

I think the long view is that remaining neutral has paid off and will pay off. Ruling over massive non Russian populations is a pain in the butt.  Russia needs to rule over Baltics or Poland like they need brain cancer.  There is a a lot of evidence that Russians subsidized non Russians in the USSR. E.g. central Asians. Even at their height USSR had to put down uprisings in Germany, Hungary, Czech and elsewhere.

 Female leaders and feminized males get all shrill about the Ukr invasion. I heard Finland is enacting more sanctions that will hurt Finland. Finland closed some border crossings bc Finland says 700 illegals crossed from RU in the past year. Meanwhile, the EU sanctions countries that stop illegals. If you pay attention, many of these feminized leaders are acting to get their next jobs in the globalized world institutions. WEF? UN? INF? World Bank? Lobbyists? Consulting firms? They do not care bout their citizens. German Scholz recently went nuts, blaming Russia for shutting down the gs supply. What is his next job?

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