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Re: China
« Reply #300 on: January 10, 2025, 07:55:25 AM »
I find myself totally uninterested in that...

I suspect a common response by most Americans...
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Re: China
« Reply #301 on: January 10, 2025, 08:52:30 AM »
I find myself totally uninterested in that...

I suspect a common response by most Americans...

BTW flights over Siberian airspace cut lots of miles off many routes.
I find the whining funny.
EU bans RU flights over EU.
RU then bans EU flights over RU.
RU allows China flights over RU to EU.
EU whines about it.
What did they expect?
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Re: China
« Reply #302 on: January 10, 2025, 05:42:04 PM »


A video blogger goes to Uighur country in China. He is better than usual.
https://youtu.be/LQGvzrDa_wc
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Re: China
« Reply #303 on: January 15, 2025, 01:07:59 PM »


China just announced a $1 trillion dollar trade surplus.
I learned that China has only 1 time zone. Solar noon is at 12 noon in Shanghai 120 deg longitude and 3 PM in the far west.
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Re: China
« Reply #304 on: January 15, 2025, 01:27:25 PM »
I am thinking that is going to experience a serious dip in 2025...

 ::whoohoo::
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Re: China
« Reply #305 on: January 18, 2025, 07:28:11 PM »

I have been hearing the Chinese economy will crash for decades now. Maybe it will.

The US sanctions on Chinese AI seem to backfire. We are screwed. Around 15 years ago some guy from South Africa jaywalked in China. Facial recognition SW caught him fined him and took the fine out of his bank account.

Now?
https://youtu.be/yEkAdyoZnj0
Why China is racing ahead in AI, and in everything else: their whole economy is open source
Tech industry insiders are shocked at China's rapid progress in Artificial Intelligence, especially given our export bans on the fastest semiconductors. 

In the most recent development, DeepSeek introduced their AI model that outperforms the ones developed by Facebook (Meta) and ChatGPT (OpenAI). 

DeepSeek's model was developed with less than 9% of the computing hours thought necessary to build such a rich model, and at an astonishing cost of just $6 million.



https://www.axios.com/2025/01/17/deepseek-china-ai-model?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us
Stunning stat: Training V3 cost DeepSeek roughly $5.6 million, according to the company.

    OpenAI, Google and Anthropic have reportedly spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build and train their current models, and expect to spend billions in the future.
    AI pioneer Andrej Karpathy called DeepSeek's investment "a joke of a budget" and described the result as "a highly impressive display of research and engineering under resource constraints."


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Re: China
« Reply #306 on: January 20, 2025, 08:42:00 AM »
They don't get the latest and greatest chips of Nvidia et al...

And leading in totalitarian exploitation of technology I would argue is nothing to brag about...
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« Reply #307 on: January 20, 2025, 10:49:20 AM »

Inside China Business guy told how they evaded earlier Nvidea sanctions I recall they had other countries maybe even Australia buy the chips and systems then Chinese researchers would log in from China.
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« Reply #308 on: January 20, 2025, 11:17:46 AM »
I doubt that...

We know who they were sold to, if diverted you'd never hear the repercussions but they would be there...
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Re: China
« Reply #309 on: January 26, 2025, 06:30:38 PM »


A while back Eric Schmidt said the US had a 2-3 year lead on China in AI. Recently he said "never mind."
In short China developed a LLM almost as good as the best US LLM but done quick and much cheaper.

This guy is not an expert but lives in China. He kept his investment push to the very end thank God.

https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=430 7:10  Why US is scared. Why US CEOs are scared/

https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=564 link to the two charts. Chinese deep seek is 30x cheaper. At 9:24

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Re: China
« Reply #310 on: January 26, 2025, 06:38:51 PM »


US threat to tik tok has driven US users to try red note, a Chinese app.  I had watched countless video blogs from two guys in China who now live in US and bash CCP all the time. So i understand the new US users amazement in using red note. Long ago I thought China was like NK  and people lived on eating grass.

https://youtu.be/K4ovKtlZCEE

Red Note Exposed the Truth About China...Trump Now Has a MASSIVE Problem!

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Re: China
« Reply #311 on: January 27, 2025, 09:12:11 AM »


A while back Eric Schmidt said the US had a 2-3 year lead on China in AI. Recently he said "never mind."
In short China developed a LLM almost as good as the best US LLM but done quick and much cheaper.

This guy is not an expert but lives in China. He kept his investment push to the very end thank God.

https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=430 7:10  Why US is scared. Why US CEOs are scared/

https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=564 link to the two charts. Chinese deep seek is 30x cheaper. At 9:24

Yeah, well...that's what the recent excitement is all about...  Gosh, where have we seen this before?  Cheap product out of communist China flood markets and prodders claim the AI race is over and the West lost...

 ::ohno::

People need to relax, breathe...and try to think clearly.

IMO this is nothing to do with the Chi-Com's DeepSeek being better than ChatGPT or anything else...it is about PR and mucking with our markets...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/deepseek-pulls-rug-out-nvidia-asml

I want to know, what cut-outs or direct players are shorting the Magnificient 7 stocks?  After all these companies are generating massive earnings, real money...and making gains in design and the ripple effect into downstream products has only just begun.  Some have called this a "Sputnik moment" and I think that is an apt comparison.

And with Trump trying to lead America in AI and Crypto and everything else I am not worried because we are proving out an entire productive line in AI...in the meantime if morons want a cheap commie made commie controlled chatbot to play with...whatever, I am not impressed and I do not think the commies will get much further...

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Re: China
« Reply #312 on: January 27, 2025, 10:08:26 AM »

This is a big deal.  Investors are asking why they should pay so much for AI when China can do it for less using fewer people and cheaper chips.
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Re: China
« Reply #313 on: January 27, 2025, 11:56:19 AM »
Take cheap commie-fad AI chatbot, see if I GAFF!

I've never trusted a commie...and never will...





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Re: China
« Reply #314 on: January 28, 2025, 08:28:48 AM »
DeepSeek Censors Answers
DeepSeek has been observed to avoid providing truthful answers if questions stray from the ideology of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). When asked about sensitive topics such as the Tiananmen Square massacre, Taiwan’s status, or President Xi Jinping, DeepSeek typically responds with “Sorry, that’s beyond my current scope. Let’s talk about something else.” This behavior indicates that the AI is programmed to censor or avoid questions that are considered politically sensitive or critical of the CCP.

For example, when asked about the Tiananmen Square massacre, DeepSeek initially attempts to provide an answer but then quickly replaces it with the aforementioned message. Similarly, when questioned about Taiwan’s independence or President Xi Jinping, DeepSeek either refuses to answer or provides responses that align with the CCP’s official stance.

This behavior has raised concerns about the reliability and neutrality of DeepSeek as an AI tool, particularly for users outside of China who might expect more balanced and comprehensive responses.


Chi-Com GIGO-bot!

B-b-b-but it's cheap!

 ::bus::

This is all a PR stunt.  Like I said, I want fingerprints on Mag7 short-sellers!
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Re: China
« Reply #315 on: January 28, 2025, 11:12:52 AM »
Yeah, how many illegal Nvidia H100's they abscond with?

Also...

https://nitter.poast.org/BillAckman/status/1884012625518031344#m

Only an idiot would use this BS!
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Re: China
« Reply #316 on: January 28, 2025, 01:24:23 PM »

I do not understand this stuff.
Some retired MS engineer said he ran the SW on his computer.  There are different sized models.

He said that he asked it about a photo of  man standing in front of   tank. He was told about Tienanmen square and the censorship.

He said he ran it locally and if on line the results might be different. He also said that because it was open source that  censorship  would be transparent.
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Re: China
« Reply #317 on: January 28, 2025, 01:37:24 PM »
Commies suck and can never be trust, period!
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« Reply #318 on: January 28, 2025, 02:27:38 PM »

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Re: China
« Reply #319 on: January 30, 2025, 01:57:40 PM »

1/4 of Nvidea chips go to Singapore. 75 percent of people there are Chinese.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/57296
🇺🇸🇨🇳 In a global economy you cannot control exports. Deal with it.

Doesn’t matter if some go through Singapore, Poland, India or whatever.

You can buy them in Argentina, load on a returning cargo ship and done.

?? They can’t even stop sanction oil sales and these are obvious.
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