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The Kurds
« on: May 10, 2023, 03:29:43 PM »

I re-found this old video on the Kurds. Some people have been saying the US should stay in Syria to protect the Kurds. Apparently the US already agreed that the Kurds should be removed away from the Turkish border. A real mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CSeXtdZAO4
 Did We Abandon The Kurds?
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Re: The Kurds
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2023, 08:29:42 AM »
It's not the first time the Kurds have been betrayed by the US, and they have been very Pro-West for a long time...but every time they are betrayed in the post-9/11 era it appears it is always most brutally by a demoscat...Obama & FJB.  The Turks are genocidal racists who cannot stand to see a different (more) Pro-West nation arise near them let alone accede territory to even though they have legitimate ethnic history roots there as opposed to a fake race wanting to drive Israel into the sea...
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Re: The Kurds
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2023, 12:23:48 PM »

Kim Iversen is very thoughtful IMO. she concluded that the Kurds are similar to Zionist Jews in their hope for some utopia. She said their utopia has a name and is very communal, even communist. 
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Re: The Kurds
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2023, 01:08:49 PM »

I was pretty sure that Kim Iversen did two videos on the Kurds but had a hard time finding both. Here is the other one. She seems to be the only person doing a deep dive.

https://youtu.be/IWQmjKbJg3A
 Our deal with the Kurds: "Temporary, Transactional, and Tactical"
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Re: The Kurds
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2023, 01:26:53 PM »

Trivia on the above Kim Iversen videos. From watching too many youtube videos.
Kim's background screen is old. She said she cannot remember where she got it.
It seems she now handed it down to Jackson Hinkle, kinda like from older sister to younger brother. Maybe I am wrong. The screens look similar and Kim has a new one.


https://youtu.be/LDWEFkpS-V4

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Re: The Kurds
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2023, 04:30:36 PM »

Kim Iversen is very thoughtful IMO. she concluded that the Kurds are similar to Zionist Jews in their hope for some utopia. She said their utopia has a name and is very communal, even communist.

Since most of their presence is in nations created somewhat arbitrarily and the world peed on their promise of 1920 to give them a nation (because they all caved to Ataturk)...it's been a sh*tshow since.  Half live in "Turkey" and are poorly treated, heritage denied and erased from history.  Same in Syria.  In Iran they declared independence and were repressed by the Soviets, who then handed them to the Iranians.  Nationalist resurgence resumed in Northern Iraq and Iraq played nice with them until driving them out and planting Arabs instead...and it lead to insurgencies in Iraq and Iran...Iran/Iraq deal sees first US betrayal of the Kurds...Ayatollah slaughters the Iranian Kurds who find an odd ally in Saddam Hussein while the Iraq Kurds rebel against him and he retaliates with chemical weapons, succeeding campaigns see them flee to Turkey & Iran and not until the Northern No-Fly Zone did they regain a presence in Iraq...lots of give and take until The Kenyan's Arab Spring introduces chaos on Arab end leading to Kurds to press their cases everywhere...rise of DAESH (thanks Kenyan prick!) and Kurds have an ally in the US again...everybody in region has allies/enemies in the ISIS years...next thing you know its all a big mess...mostly Turks vs Kurds and everybody against ISIS...Iran starts whacking Kurds in Iraq, Turkey starts whacking Kurds in Syria and Iraq and for the most part the activity remains most prominent in the Iraq/Turkey area and they remain Pro-US despite being cut to the wind...

As for politics, PJAK in Iranian is socialist-named but nobody speaks much about how it is organized, seems like a club.  KDP in Iraq seems more "democratic" and has good relations in the West and with Israel.  PUK in Iraq is the sum of many socialist groups, and they support self-determination and democracy and ally with KDP on big things and had good relations with the West and Iran...but they folded when Taliabani left and formed the Gorran Movement (liberal reformist movement fighting corruption and nepotism dominating the KDP-PUK alliance in Kurdistan and has the support of the Peshmerga and academics) but their sister party (KDPP) survives in Syria and an ally in Iran (Komala Party), and KIU is another reformist party in Iraq that has significant representation and yet another is the KDSP pushing self-determination and not to be confused with the KDSP in Syria and is #2 there behind PKK (also in Turkey) & PYD...and a host of others.  It's a mess.  But, if ever granted their ancestral lands, they'd have to work that all out as well as their ultimate form of government...at this point I don't think there is a dominant political strain to point to.

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Re: The Kurds
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2023, 06:26:44 PM »
^^^
So it is real easy to unravel. /s
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Re: The Kurds
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2023, 08:28:18 AM »
^^^
So it is real easy to unravel. /s

Heh.

Only...if Turkey, Syria, Iraq & Iran all agree to cede territory and respect autonomy.

Short of someone kicking all 4 asses and imposing it I do not see it being settled for several more decades...maybe even centuries...
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Re: The Kurds
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2024, 09:09:32 AM »
Yeah, not sure Erdogan has proof of Kurd complicity...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-bombs-us-proxies-northeast-syria-following-ankara-terror-attack

...but even the Turks admit to regularly "punishing" aka killing Kurds...

So, how come they never accuse Erdogan/Turkey of "creating terrorists"?

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