Author Topic: Obesity, diet, seed oils (Read 9308 times)

Syzygy · « **Reply #41 on:** September 02, 2024, 10:59:36 PM »

So? These two things are not the same. Anyone who would buy oatmeal with "fruit, nuts, whatever, et al., added," is a fool to begin with--a bunch of overpriced crap. If that is your desire, just buy regular rolled oats, NOT Quaker-a high priced rip-off, and add whatever turns your crank. For me, it's raisins and butter, maybe a little cream, sweetened with honey if I have some, otherwise, white sugar (EGADS, NOT WHITE SUGAR).

INGREDIENTS: WHOLE ROLLED OATS

That's all.

A few years ago, my brother, a life long health food junkie, was into "steel cut" oats--a popular "health food" trend at the time. I asked him to explain the health advantage of steel cut oats over regular rolled oats. He couldn't and I doubt anyone can--just another gimmick from the so-called health food gurus of the day.
And don't anyone here try explaining the difference--oats is oats no matter how processed.
As Samuel Johnson once said, “Oats. A grain, which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland supports the people.”
Apropos that he should say that since he was a well fed arrogant horse's ass.

WilliamVA · « **Reply #42 on:** September 03, 2024, 06:56:56 AM »

Good Memories, my primary school years were in the 50's, breakfast was oatmeal, and not soupy oatmeal. Add butter, a little extra salt (as I remember, s small amount of salt was added to the boiling water) and Sugar. lol. Did that through most of High School too. I remember my first meal in the Navy was at the chow hall at Camp Barry(sp), Sept 5, 1965. They rushed us through, I grabbed a Cup of black coffee, and a bowl of Oatmeal.

Oh! I remember, we did not get Quaker Oats, Dad used to buy a bag, brown paper, several pounds worth. (had six kids to feed, lol)

Syzygy · « **Reply #43 on:** September 03, 2024, 12:14:06 PM »

Oat based cereal (oatmeal, granola) is the only cereal I can eat for breakfast and keep going till lunch. Any high sugar content grain cereal and I'm kaput by 10 o'clock.
I really like granola and always have, but since it's gotten so expensive, I make my own.

Libertas · « **Reply #44 on:** September 04, 2024, 08:17:45 AM »

H/T-WRSA@GAB

patentlymn · « **Reply #45 on:** September 16, 2024, 04:24:00 PM »

I eat seed oils and crappy foods. I just ate a frozen pizza. Still I am trying to eat better.

I came across a couple links.

In short, some guy did an experiment with a low carb high fat diet. People on the vegetable oil version felt sick. People on the sat animal fat or even olive oil versions felt fine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StopEatingSeedOils/comments/1fiaz84/dr_steve_phinney_tried_a_ketogenic_diet_of_seed/

Here is a chart showing the fats. From left to right. Poly unsaturated Fatty acids (seed oils) , mono unsat fatty acids (olive oil), sat fatty acids (coconut or animal fats).

patentlymn · « **Reply #46 on:** September 17, 2024, 03:01:30 PM »

In short, the guy doing the study above fed himself soybean or corn oil via a feeding tube and felt sick. He did this stuff to put him on a ketogenic diet (very low carbs). He replaced these with olive oil and had no problems.

Libertas · « **Reply #47 on:** September 17, 2024, 04:05:04 PM »

I've heard the phrase like crap through a goose...but that dude is sick!

patentlymn · « **Reply #48 on:** October 05, 2024, 03:02:06 PM »

Summarizes some human and animal studies.DHA, LA, brain size, IQ

US FDA recommends 5-10x the amount of LA than in 1865 when heart attacks were very rare. Infant formula has lots of LA.
LA is stored in the body. People on ancestral diets have 3.8 percent. Now around 20 percent.
Stupid animls have more DHA. Stupid animals have more LA.
https://youtu.be/Kb-VNW_WaVU
The $212 Billion Dollar Food ingredient poisoning your Brain

Libertas · « **Reply #49 on:** October 07, 2024, 07:43:14 AM »

Well, hopefully I am accruing positives with my new diet...after 3 weeks I already dropped 20 pounds, haven't weighed myself since that point, give it another couple weeks...dealing with my cravings better than I thought...especially sweets...only thing I have that is sweet is probably yogurt...

So far so good...

patentlymn · « **Reply #50 on:** October 07, 2024, 01:47:07 PM »

Quote from: Libertas on October 07, 2024, 07:43:14 AM

Well, hopefully I am accruing positives with my new diet...after 3 weeks I already dropped 20 pounds, haven't weighed myself since that point, give it another couple weeks...dealing with my cravings better than I thought...especially sweets...only thing I have that is sweet is probably yogurt...

So far so good...

If it is OK to ask what kind of diet?

Some diets like Atkins cause major water weight loss in the beginning.
Also keep an eye on constipation. Things like metamucil and miralax can help. But so can lots of foods like cabbage I think.
Decades ago I went on a low carb high protein, little fat diet with a GF. It made me lose weight but earned me a kidney stone.

paulh · « **Reply #51 on:** October 07, 2024, 02:24:35 PM »

You want to lose weight simple. Walk. I was 180, 1% body fat in my body building days. Then the diagnosis of type ll. Went off the hi carbs and started walking twice a day on the treadmill. Now at 140. Pretty much eat what I want.

patentlymn · « **Reply #52 on:** October 07, 2024, 02:45:35 PM »

I knew an AF pilot who was borderline diabetic long ago. Then he crossed the line into diabetic. He needed some meds. If he took these meds it treated his diabetes but the AF grounded pilots taking this med. It would have ruined his career. He got himself a high end treadmill and hit it hard. It made his diabetes go away and he got to fly again until he retired.

I only walk 1 1/2 miles per day with dog. IMO even such minor walking is very good for your body way beyond what the calories charts say.

paulh · « **Reply #53 on:** October 07, 2024, 03:05:38 PM »

I do it so I can keep drinking beer

ToddF · « **Reply #54 on:** October 07, 2024, 07:25:19 PM »

Beer has carbs. Spirits are carb free.

Libertas · « **Reply #55 on:** October 08, 2024, 11:50:32 AM »

Yeah, it's cooling off so transitioning from low-carb beer (Mich Ultra, ugh...) will be nice...hello single-batch/single-barrel bourbon, rum, and single-malt scotch!

Diet is kinda like IDP's, he's probably better at it...protein - meat, diary (no LA), low carbs, no sugar (this one is hard!) and cutting out processed foods (also not easy, it is nefariously ubiquitous!) and mixing in some veggies and fruit...

So for no constipation issues...just seem unsatisfied after meals...guess I hammered down all the toxic crap for too long to know, right?

As for exercise I get plenty doing outdoor chores that seem like they never end...

With winter that reduced to only plowing/shovelling days...but do plenty of walking (mostly tracking critters!)...

patentlymn · « **Reply #56 on:** October 08, 2024, 03:29:13 PM »

BTW I am not certain that seed oils are bad for you but I have a huge question mark. I used to get a free subscription to food engineering magazine. It was paid for by ads. The ads made a little queasy.

Cheese analogs. Different spice analogs. Our merangue analog maintains head space twice as long as our competitors. Was it even food?

Once on a start up I saw a coconut cream pie by Hostess in a vending machine late at night. i used to eat the apple and cherry pies. I bought it . I read the label and there was nothing about coconut. I tossed it. I have eaten 10,000 things as bad in the years since.

A grandma used to make a lemon merangue pie using butter if she made it at all. Now it is soybean oil.

If humans did not eat the PUFA much until 100 years ago is the human body supposed to eat this stuff? Heart disease seems to track PUFA use more than anything else.

Videos by Nina Teicholz and Knobbe seem to be the best ones. Primitive people eating almost all carbs or almost all meat/dairy did not have heart disease. Olive oil and coconut seem OK.

I just read the Kraft mac and cheese label, with the cheese powder. Seems OK.

Libertas · « **Reply #57 on:** October 09, 2024, 01:35:07 PM »

My nephew uses this app...

https://yuka.io/en/

Just apply common sense to results...not everything will hurt you or right away or without habitual use...

patentlymn · « **Reply #58 on:** October 09, 2024, 02:23:23 PM »

Interesting. I read that this app does not track seed oils but others may. I wonder how it tracks sat fats.

My gut reaction is that sat fats are fine. Some tribes have lived on lots of sat fats. Eskimos? Some in south pacific lived on almost all carbs from sweet potatoes plus coconuts. No heart disease.

Libertas · « **Reply #59 on:** October 09, 2024, 02:37:59 PM »

Quote from: patentlymn on October 09, 2024, 02:23:23 PM

Interesting. I read that this app does not track seed oils but others may. I wonder how it tracks sat fats.

My gut reaction is that sat fats are fine. Some tribes have lived on lots of sat fats. Eskimos? Some in south pacific lived on almost all carbs from sweet potatoes plus coconuts. No heart disease.

Some tribes (in Borneo) used to ritually eat the brains of their dead and keel over with CJD...no mention of heart disease though...