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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2011, 07:53:48 AM »
From an article published prior to his termination.

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Players said Paterno was emotional when he announced his decision. Many said it was the first time they have seen him cry.

Now he cries.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2011, 08:01:26 AM »
In a doomsday scenario, hippies will be among the first casualties. So not everything about doomsday will be bad.

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2011, 10:03:47 AM »
I got into a heated argument with someone last night about this. 

This is someone who likes to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, not someone who worships college football.


He tried to argue that Paterno wasn't told exactly what happened--only about rough housing.  I said even that should have been enough to get Sandusky tossed.  A grown man inapporpriately rough housing with a ten yeat old in the locker room?  That doesn't sound suspicious?

Then he said well Paterno is old he probably didn't understand the situation.   ::gaah:: 


He tried to argue that Paterno met his responsibility by telling his boss. Not good enough. If his boss did nothing he should have followed up on it as should have the grad student and anyone he told.

He said that he'd feel his only responsibilty would be to tell his boss.  I said no, that doesn't get you off the hook.  You have a responsibility to follow up.  He said in the day and age I could get sued for making such an accusation. 

"Doing the right thing often requires risk.  You still do the right thing."  Then I added that if he ever wimped out on such an issue and did nothing I would make sure he suffered.

I talked to this man all the time, he loves his family and is a hard worker who considers himself conservative.  But he's like so many others I encounter who don't even know they've been indoctrinated with progressive, liberal, new age garbage.

Then I watch the news late last night and see the story on the Penn St riots.  Are you kidding me?  One student was offended that Paterno was fired over the phone, another didn't think 40 years should go down the drain.

They should be rioting that their school covered it up.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2011, 10:07:41 AM »
"They should be rioting that their school covered it up."

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2011, 10:08:26 AM »
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And the students riot.

Minds of mush.

As I said before, I am no fan of Penn State.
Yet, it's sad that his legacy has to end like this due to, at a minimum, a lapse in judgement.

In no way do I mean to diminish the effect this lapse of judgement had on how many young kids.

(This is weird. I fnd I'm actually sort of defending the guy.)
As an armchair quarterback, it's easy to say what we would have done in his shoes.

It sounds like he did meet his legal obligation just not his moral one

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2011, 10:09:33 AM »

All around us the rotted moral core of this nation is being illustrated.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2011, 10:36:53 AM »

As an armchair quarterback, it's easy to say what we would have done in his shoes.

It sounds like he did meet his legal obligation just not his moral one

Yes, for me it is easy.  I've had to draw a line in the sand and defend myself (not on an issue like this thankfully).  It's not comfortable but I can't live any other way.  I know what I would do.

If someone told me they saw a child being raped I wouldn't be satisfied with just telling my boss. You better believe I wouldn't drop it until the cops were involved.

The legal issues:

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Under Pennsylvania’s Child Protective Services Law, a wide range of professionals who come in contact with children and have a “reasonable cause to suspect” that a child in the care of their organization has been abused are required to report it or face criminal charges.
 
The law was tightened in 2007 after a 2005 grand jury report into a sexual abuse scandal at the Catholic archdiocese of Philadelphia. That report revealed that pastors of parishes knew of incidents of child sexual abuse by priests.
 
But because the pastors did not hear from the children directly, they did not report the incidents because they had been advised they were not required to, according to Frank Cervone, executive director for the Support Center for Child Advocates.
 
At that point, the legislature intervened and the law no longer requires the child to come forward.
 
In the case of Curley and Schultz, the toughened standards may not make a difference because the events occurred in 2002, before the changes were made to the law. As a result, Curley and Schultz may argue they had no legal duty to report the allegations because the child did not report the offense to them, said Cathleen Palm, executive director of Protect Our Children Committee.
 
“It is possible that we now know was a major loophole in our law was at play in this particular case,” Palm said.
 
According to the grand jury report, Paterno called Curley the day after hearing the allegations from the eyewitness. About a week and a half later, the eyewitness was called to a meeting with Curley and Schultz where he recounted what he had seen.
 
Under that version of events, Paterno appeared to fulfill his obligation under the law, Cervone said.
 
“A subordinate can discharge his mandatory reporting responsibility by reporting to his boss,” Cervone said.
 
At a news conference on Monday, Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly appeared to back up that view when she said that Paterno is not a target of its investigation.
 
“He had a responsibility to report the incident to the school authorities and he did it,” said Kelly.
 
While Paterno appeared to fulfill his legal duty after being told about the locker room incident, that should not end the scrutiny of Paterno’s actions, Palm said.

reuters story here
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2011, 11:19:36 AM »
At what point did any of these people think the actions they took stopped the abusive behavior being inflicted upon these kids?  If you answer anything that casts doubt on that answer you have failed utterly!
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2011, 11:25:17 AM »
At this point, this next post is just a RUMOR!

But if true, this story is about to get worse...if that's possible.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11
http://www.blippitt.com/rumor-jerry-sandusky-pimped-out-second-mile-boys-to-penn-state-donors-audio/
http://guyism.com/sports/jerry-sandusky-pimped-out-boys-in-second-mike-to-penn-state-donors.html
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

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In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.

On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.

What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.

"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"

Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2011, 11:36:15 AM »
 ::speechless::

If any part of that allegation is true, this University might as well shut down and get bulldozed!
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2011, 11:52:43 AM »

And salted with lime and lye.

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2011, 12:00:37 PM »
::speechless::

If any part of that allegation is true, this University might as well shut down and get bulldozed!

If this had been done after Penn's phony investigation "exonerated" Michael Mann and his glowball warmink hockey stick graph, Sandusky et. al. would have been stopped much earlier.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2011, 12:48:11 PM »
All in all , I still feel bad for Joe . This is a hell of a sad ending to a fine career .

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2011, 02:21:32 PM »
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2011, 02:52:11 PM »

Maybe that's why they all put it in file 13.


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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2011, 02:57:25 PM »
Heard about this on Rush's show today--

Penn State Makes A Banana-Flavored Jerry Sandusky Ice Cream

picture of the ice cream dish at link





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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2011, 03:02:54 PM »
Another odd story...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html

Is Penn St run by the mob?

 ::whatgives::

Wow.

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...This district attorney had “a bitter taste in his mouth for the [Penn State] program, and its coach,” according to his nephew, and never prosecuted Sandusky. He disappeared on April 15, 2005 after telling his girlfriend that he was going on a drive.

Ray Gricar’s car was found the next day in a Lewisburg parking lot and his laptop, sans hard drive, was found in the Susquehanna River, according to the Patriot-News.

Ray Gricar’s friend, Montour County District Attorney Robert Buehner Jr., told the New York Times that if the ardent district attorney had committed suicide, he would have wanted his body found. But in the case of possible foul play, no suspects have emerged from investigations.

When it comes to the Sandusky case, friends and former co-workers are all of the opinion that Ray Gricar would never back down from a righteous prosecution.

“No one got a bye with Ray,” Anthony De Boef, who was an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years told the NY Times. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”

And, despite the fact that Ray Gricar had the mother of one of the alleged victims confront Sandusky while police listened, the 1998 report on Sandusky was labeled “unfounded” by the District Attorney’s Office, reports the Patriot-News.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2011, 03:05:05 PM »
And now this?

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2011, 04:11:12 PM »
http://deadspin.com/5858394/

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And now one reason there might be something—something—to this. Here's a text exchange I had with a journalist in Pittsburgh:

Him: FYI, he ain't bluffing here.

Me: How do you know?

Him: I don't know for sure. I just know he is confident in what he has.

Me: He's also a professional troll who loves attention. He's going on radio stations all over the country today.

Him: Separate his on-air persona with journalistic chops. Mark was a hell of a reporter. Don't dismiss him.

Me: We have the audio of his comments. He calls it a rumor.

Him: Fair. I know Mark well. I just have a very strong feeling he's not bluffing here.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2011, 09:16:23 PM »

Radio also said (hints, rumors, and innuendos)Paterno would
sometimes spend a little too long a time helping massage the players.