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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #120 on: July 22, 2012, 10:44:14 PM »
From the ESPN article:

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NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.

The NCAA will announce "corrective and punitive measures" for Penn State on Monday morning, it said in a statement Sunday. Emmert will reveal the sanctions at 9 a.m. ET in Indianapolis at the organization's headquarters along with Ed Ray, the chairman of the NCAA's executive committee, and Oregon State's president, the news release said.

So, countdown to tomorrow morning. I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #121 on: July 22, 2012, 10:46:10 PM »
So much for Penn State's purported squeaky clean reputation.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #122 on: July 22, 2012, 10:52:30 PM »
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The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera. This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field.

That quote (found in the linked ESPN article) from a former NCAA Committee on Infractions chair betrays a really screwed up attitude and a serious denial of what was actually going on.

In covering up the scandal, Penn State most definitely sought an advantage in recruitment. The Freeh Report very clearly established the presence of a conspiracy to hide the scandal for the sole purpose of preventing damage to the football program. That affected the so-called "level playing field" in favor of Penn State.

They deserve the death penalty.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #123 on: July 22, 2012, 11:48:17 PM »

Reprise from another site earlier today:

They should have used a back hoe to pick it up and smash it (the statue) to bits
then load the bits onto a truck and then cart them to the smelter.
No fences, no blinds, boo freeking hoo.

Same (figuratively) with the board of trustees.

ETA: See the picture of them crying?  This event and the whole PS thing
is exemplary of how insane things are in the USA.  Yes, we are engaged
in a true battle of good and evil.  Guess I'm arriving a little behind the
curve of realization.


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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #124 on: July 23, 2012, 06:45:13 AM »
All I heard on ESPN radio this morning (can those clowns be insufferable!) was how the NCAA has no case on rules infractions in this case since it is a criminal case yadda yadda yadda.  Yeah, OK now I am the first one to denounce overbearing bureaucrats wherever they may be, but as Trap points out there is definitely a recruiting advantage by keeping this criminally oriented scandal quiet and by implication it is assumed that a Joe Paterno led team definitely won more games on the field with those players than they would have otherwise expected had all this come out at the time.  If the NCAA does not give this program the Death Penalty, then it really has no argument to exist at all.

Joe tarnished his own reputation by not standing up for what was right and calling the police about what he knew about his coaching buddy and young boys.  Had he done that he might be disliked by Sandusky and a few other idiots, but his conscience and reputation would have been clean.  As it is, I could care less what happens to the statue or their program.  PSU brought this on themselves, their tantrums and denials just show how whacked people are now days.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #125 on: July 23, 2012, 07:44:33 AM »
Death Penalty

To placate those (including me actually) who think the current players shouldn't be punished for past crimes, fine.  Instant transfer allowed with no having to sit out a year.


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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #126 on: July 23, 2012, 08:47:16 AM »
Nope.  Finz and suspensionz it is.

Holy run on link!

The details of the punishment:

    Four year postseason ban
    10 initial scholarship losses and 20 per year for four years
    $60 million fine
    All wins from 1998-2011 vacated
    Five year probationary period

Not enough.

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #127 on: July 23, 2012, 09:17:37 AM »
The four year bowl ban and the reduction in scholarships may be a defacto death penalty. Time will tell.

A lot a talent (both on and off the field) will pass on going to Penn State if they know that they will not go to a bowl game.

I would have preferred the death penalty but this isn't a slap on the wrist by any objective measure.

Vacating the wins of a dead guy doesn't seem all that bad, though. Kind of a shutting the barn door after the horse is gone kinda thing.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #128 on: July 23, 2012, 09:29:58 AM »
That does take away Paterno's record for wins.  That's good.

But they still let Penn State keep raking in the big $ for their sports programs.  Not good.

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2012, 09:37:48 AM »
The lawyers will get to work on Penn State's money very soon.

There is supposed to also be a sanction or two coming from the Big Ten conference.

I would also wonder how long it will be before Paterno is quietly un-inducted from the college football hall of fame.

EDIT: Reading rumors and conjecture elsewhere that the Big Ten is going to confiscate television monies that would otherwise go to Penn State. Another rumor involves Penn State having to play all conference games away from home. Should know the truth, though, very soon.

Oh, and today's winner: Bobby Bowden who is now the number one winning coach in Div 1.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2012, 11:14:51 AM »
The more I think about it, this might actually be more of a punishment than death.  No one of any caliber will want to go to Penn State.  They are going to be so hamstrung they probably will want to kill their football program themselves.

And on a brighter note...

Someone is getting a little touchy about the obvious comparison to be made


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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2012, 11:19:13 AM »
I thought about Penn State and Michael Mann and forgot to mention it. Good catch, MNHawk.

A culture of fraud and deceit through and through.

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #132 on: July 23, 2012, 11:25:10 AM »
Largely a rubber stamp, "me, too" kind of punishment that underscores rather than piles on to the NCAA sanctions. An extra $13 million in lost revenue is about the only thing of note. Oh yeah, and they censured them. Big deal.

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The Big Ten Conference issued its own penalties Monday to Penn State, banning the school's football team from appearing in the Big Ten championship game for four years and stating the school won't receive any conference bowl revenue during that same span.

That revenue is estimated to total about $13 million, bringing the grand total Penn State has been fined to $73 million. Earlier Monday, the NCAA announced its own sanctions against Penn State, which included a $60-million fine.

The Big Ten stated that Penn State's share of bowl revenue will be donated to a fund for the protection of children.

The league also publicly censured Penn State for its failure to act in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

"The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels -- morally, ethically and potentially criminally," read the statement from the Big Ten Council of Presidents and Chancellors.

"They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state -- and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State."

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Next up are the liability lawyers and the plaintiffs. $73 million in NCAA and Big Ten fines are going to seem cheap by comparison.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2012, 11:33:56 AM »
Yeah, that is cheap.  Frankly I would like to see them booted out of the Big Ten, but then no moolah for charities, so money rules all.

The civil cases along will stress PSU.  Uh, hey?  How much taxpayer support does PSU get?  It should be ZERO!
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #134 on: July 23, 2012, 11:40:34 AM »
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #135 on: July 23, 2012, 03:55:24 PM »
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.

 They should have tought about that when they were busy covering it up.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #136 on: July 24, 2012, 06:47:05 AM »
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.

 They should have tought about that when they were busy covering it up.

It is obvious they didn't much care about the school or the fallout from the cover up, I'm sure in their minds this was not their fault and something nobody would blame the university for.  Elitism eventually meets reality, it just takes longer to get there with these types.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #137 on: July 24, 2012, 01:59:55 PM »
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.

 They should have tought about that when they were busy covering it up.

It is obvious they didn't much care about the school or the fallout from the cover up, I'm sure in their minds this was not their fault and something nobody would blame the university for.  Elitism eventually meets reality, it just takes longer to get there with these types.

   And the guy that devoted his life to that school blew his entire lifes history up to help out a POS that took advantage of his friendship to cover his own ass.  In the end Paterno should have done what his heart of hearts told him he should do but didn't so he deserves what he got.

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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #138 on: July 24, 2012, 07:40:46 PM »
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.

 They should have tought about that when they were busy covering it up.

It is obvious they didn't much care about the school or the fallout from the cover up, I'm sure in their minds this was not their fault and something nobody would blame the university for.  Elitism eventually meets reality, it just takes longer to get there with these types.

   And the guy that devoted his life to that school blew his entire lifes history up to help out a POS that took advantage of his friendship to cover his own ass.  In the end Paterno should have done what his heart of hearts told him he should do but didn't so he deserves what he got.

  Were all responsible for what choices we make in life.

Sad but true, I said this would tarnish his image, and it has.  All he had to do was pick up the phone and call the chief of police, not someone connected to the campus, and ask them to look into it.
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Re: Penn State Scandal
« Reply #139 on: July 24, 2012, 08:09:18 PM »

It was his responsibility to doggedly follow through on this
problem until it was properly resolved.  He should have restrained
the coward informant until authorities arrived.  It was his department
they were his people his actions were nothing but political.

How could this have gone on in his department with others aware and
multiple reports without him already knowing?  I don't think it did.