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Fukashima Fallout
« on: February 08, 2012, 07:24:17 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/messages-show-conflict-within-nrc-after-japan-earthquake-and-tsunami/2012/01/09/gIQA2ll6uQ_print.html

The best & brightest are even left guessing at times, doesn't exactly fill one with warm happy thoughts, eh?!

And I can't say I'd be too thrilled about being in the vacinity of Vernon, VT and this Yankee plant, being the same design as Fukashima!

Although VT is no where near as earthquake prone as Japan, and not subject to tsunami's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Yankee_Nuclear_Power_Plant

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Vernon&state=VT

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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 08:37:46 AM »

The best & brightest are even left guessing at times, doesn't exactly fill one with warm happy thoughts, eh?!

Take your own measurements!

You need a low level survey meter (for detecting elevated levelsdue to fall out)
Black Cat USB based systems
A Portable meter
CDS era Survey Meters

and then if you are more worried about an actual event close by (like a large radiation leak at a reactor, dirty bomb,or actual nuke)
you need a high level meter like the nukalet

This last can go on the keychain. If it ever calls attention to itself, you need to get out NOW.
A CDS era high level meter will also do the trick.

And don't forget to stock up on the KI pills.

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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 11:23:12 AM »
Got the KI.

Thanks fir the links.   ::thumbsup::
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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 09:20:21 PM »

Going nuclear?
                      Map of U.S. Nuclear Reactor Locations

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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 06:56:26 AM »
Yeah, I got one just west of me.  Fortunately there have been no incidents, but it is why I always have KI on hand.  Well, that and a dirty bomb which all are at risk of now.
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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 09:43:57 AM »

2002 and 03 there was much talk and concern about suitcase nukes.
Glad that never came to fruition.

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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 10:39:49 AM »

2002 and 03 there was much talk and concern about suitcase nukes.
Glad that never came to fruition.


Its not like they went away - any more than the WMD that Saddam had just "went away"
Like Saddam's WMD, those suitcase bombs are valuable. I doubt they were bought up and destroyed. I am sure that various rich men, warlords and governments have them somewhere safe under lock and key, for use at  the approriate time- such as during the upcoming major event, WWIII.
 

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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 11:28:12 AM »

2002 and 03 there was much talk and concern about suitcase nukes.
Glad that never came to fruition.


Its not like they went away - any more than the WMD that Saddam had just "went away"
Like Saddam's WMD, those suitcase bombs are valuable. I doubt they were bought up and destroyed. I am sure that various rich men, warlords and governments have them somewhere safe under lock and key, for use at  the approriate time- such as during the upcoming major event, WWIII.
 

And those never corrupt Rooskies   ::)  never fully accounted for all of theirs?!  So where are they?   ::speechless::
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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 07:50:43 PM »

Around early 02 and 03 I researched them.  Russian General Alexander Lebed had knowledge of the suitcases
and said they were out there also said there were necessary parts that would degrade over time and they
would become non functional.

They may be in someone's cache but I don't think he's a muslim.  If it had been in a muzzies hands he couldn't
have resisted using it here.

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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 06:57:52 AM »
OK, let's suppose the General is right, perhaps they designed some components with degredation in mind, it's been my belief that Russian's over-engineering everything, but for the sake of argument lets run with it...the one thing that will still be viable is the radioactive material in the damn thing.  There are simple enough designs to make it go boom, so that doesn't exactly fill me with great confidence.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 07:54:06 AM »
OK, let's suppose the General is right, perhaps they designed some components with degredation in mind, it's been my belief that Russian's over-engineering everything, but for the sake of argument lets run with it...the one thing that will still be viable is the radioactive material in the damn thing.  There are simple enough designs to make it go boom, so that doesn't exactly fill me with great confidence.

Plutonium-239 has a 24,000 year half life.  However he could be speaking of the neutron emitter used.  If its a simple Polonium/Beryllium  design for the trigger, then that goes bad rather rapidly. (Po half life is 133 days) - however if it uses a Fusor, that shold last a really long time.

Of course the more the Pu does degrade, the less yield you will get out of the thing.  Fat Boy fissioned approximately 17% of its material, and I can guarantee the Russian bombs were designed to fission much more than that. As you say, even if  your trigger is shot, just blowing up the plutonium core would create a really effective dirty bomb.  In any case I expect that  degrade over time means - over 40-60 years. Not over 10-20.

People like to think its really hard to build a bomb. Its just not. There are laser gasification techniques for Uranium that would cost $10-20K to set up. Yes, it would take over 2 years to obtain enough material for a Bomb using that menthod, and you sure couldn't build an arsenal that way (wich is why most people are still using centerfuges)  - Just bombaring Thorium  (very common and easy toget element)   with Neutrons  creates Protactinium  which  can be chemically separated and decays into U233.  Unlike our Pu bomb above, U233 will tend to decay more rapidly so you would need to use the bomb shortly after making it - so its not used in making National arsenals.  However,  people with other purposes may not care about the increased radiation risk, or having to use it quickly after its made.  A simple gun design ( round peg, round hole)  is sufficent to set it off. Little boy used this design and it was so simple and foolproof, the design was tested over Hiroshima. Its so easy, a child could do it Little Boy's yield was really low, .038% fissioned. By today's standards a really poor and ineffecient design. Still seemed  to do the trick at the time though, didn't it?

 


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Re: Fukashima Fallout
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 08:08:17 AM »
I remember that boy scout story, talk about persistent!  And yes, a gun design would be the easiest.  Fissionable or dirty, I do have concerns over what might be floating around out there and what could be used against us, anywhere, anytime.

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Re: Fukashima Fallout
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