Topic: High Capacity Magazines, a logical rationale

[charlesoakwood]

 

Most police officers have seen the famous autopsy photo in the cops-only text book “Street Survival” of the armed robber who soaked up 33 police 9mm bullets before he stopped trying to kill the officers.

  Wow, I thought this only happened in the movies.


Massad Ayoob

If you’re reading this, you’ve probably had a conversation with someone in the last few days who asked, “Why do ordinary law-abiding people need those semiautomatic firearms with magazines that can hold more than ten cartridges?”  There are lots of sound answers.

For one thing, ... http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2012/12/29/why-good-people-need-semiautomatic-firearms-and-high-capacity-magazines-part-i/

[IronDioPriest]

And, if you will, one more stark and simple thing:  Americans have historically modeled their choices of home protection and personal defense handguns on what the cops carried.  When the police carried .38 revolvers as a rule, the .38 caliber revolver was the single most popular choice among armed citizens.  In the 1980s and into the 1990s, cops switched en masse to semiautomatic pistols.  So did the gun-buying public.  Today, the most popular handgun among police seems to be the 16-shot, .40 caliber Glock semiautomatic.  Not surprisingly, the general public has gone to pistols bracketing that caliber in power (9mm, .40, .45) with similar enthusiasm. The American police establishment has also largely switched from the 12 gauge shotgun which was also the traditional American home defense weapon, to the AR15 patrol rifle with 30-round magazine…and, not surprisingly, the law-abiding citizenry has followed suit there, too.

The reasoning is strikingly clear. The cops are the experts on the current criminal trends. If they have determined that a “high capacity” semiautomatic pistol and a .223 semiautomatic rifle with 30-round magazines are the best firearms for them to use to protect people like me and my family, they are obviously the best things for us to use to protect ourselves and our families .

[Glock32]

A video from CO's link. I'd actually never heard of this guy's story before. The gun grabbers are basically saying to this man and everyone like him "You shouldn't have had a gun. You should have just called the police and cooperated with the assailants, come what may."

They have what is a morally indefensible position, wrapped in a bunch of self-righteous "for the children" platitudinous nonsense. Note the interviewer's attempt to start down that avenue of BS at the 5:35 mark.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDgHDN_ANi4

[IronDioPriest]

Absolutely riveting video.

[John Florida]

   That man is a real hero!!Lord know how many people he saved getting that scum off the face of the earth.

[trapeze]

The American police establishment has also largely switched from the 12 gauge shotgun which was also the traditional American home defense weapon, to the AR15 patrol rifle with 30-round magazine…and, not surprisingly, the law-abiding citizenry has followed suit there, too.

Why not both?

I have two pump action 12 gauge shotguns, the Winchester for hunting and the Mossberg 500 for home defense. The Mossberg is set up with an elastic buttstock shell holder and a shoulder sling bandolier. Every other round is a 50 caliber slug or a 00 buck. I have the extended magazine to hold a couple of extra rounds. Lots of firepower. And of course, one of the single most terrifying sounds is a 12 gauge pump racking a shell in the dark.

Combine it with a Mini 14 with a 50 round mag and there you are.

BTW, I'm willing to bet that a 50 cal slug will neutralize anyone wearing body armor. If it doesn't outright kill them it will break enough ribs to take them out of a fight.

[Glock32]

Oh yeah, a 12 gauge slug could easily deliver enough blunt force trauma to be deadly even if it never penetrated. At the very least it would be incapacitating.

Liberals are forever getting tangled up in webs of unintended consequences. It's a result of their static view of the world. They think they can tinker with people's lives and somehow it won't encourage compensating action elsewhere. One consequence of the 10 round magazine limit from 1994-2004 was the birth of the pocket rocket. One of the main benefits of the 9mm was its compactness, allowing a pistol to hold a lot of rounds. With that advantage artificially removed, people gravitated to larger and more powerful rounds. If the limit was going to be 10 rounds regardless, might as well make those 10 rounds as powerful as possible. So you started seeing rounds like the .45 in smaller platforms than ever before.

Likewise the so called "assault rifle". Their main advantage is capacity and controllability. They aren't even remotely "high powered", not compared with grandpaw's old .30-06 deer rifle. If this new ban goes into effect, it will generate renewed interest in classic rifle calibers. Those classic rifle calibers can slice through a vest like a hot knife through butter. Only the most cumbersome and impractical armor can reliably stop rounds like that.

[AlanS]

Every other round is a 50 caliber slug or a 00 buck.

For inside the home, I prefer bird shot (#8). Once it penetrates sheetrock, most of the momentum is gone. Less likely to have collateral damage.

[Libertas]

If we had more people like Lance around there would be a lot less crime and murder, period.

[charlesoakwood]

LOGANVILLE, Ga.

 WSBTV  -  ...But the man    eventually found the family.

"The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he's staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver," Chapman told Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh.

The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

[Glock32]

Exactly. You never know when a 15 round mag is exactly what you need. What if he'd had even one accomplice?

[Libertas]

She did good, too bad that trash survived...

Up the armaments darlin'.   

[warpmine]

She did good, too bad that trash survived...

Up the armaments darlin'.   

Should have used .357 mag or special and he wouldn't have survived to tell anyone.

[Libertas]

She did good, too bad that trash survived...

Up the armaments darlin'.   

Should have used .357 mag or special and he wouldn't have survived to tell anyone.

I'm thinking she probably had plain FMJ, if she had used +P HPs he wouldn't have survived, a lesson she can learn from.

At least her insticts were spot on, she emptied her cylinder into the perp and she and her kids are alive, that's a solid A- in my book, would have gotten an A+ if the perp expired.

[Glock32]

He may yet achieve room temperature, after a few hundred thousand tax payer dollars have been spent keeping him online for the past few days.

[Libertas]

Well, for that much taxpayer investment I at least hope someone hung a sign on his hospital bed that says "This is what happens to criminals!"...