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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2013, 12:32:35 PM »
I applaud Ret. Captain Hestilow for his 30 years of service and his bravery in stepping forward to offer his military credibility to the growing demands that this DHS be held accountable for its current mad-rush to militarization.

But as heartened as I am by his boldness, I am equally disappointed that higher-ranking officers both retired AND active duty are thus far unwilling to put words to this regime's threat to the country, and their sworn constitutional duty to stop the domestic threat.

Retired Army Officer: DHS Must Surrender Their War Weapons to Dept. of Defense


The Honorable Senator John Cornyn, State of Texas
United States Senate
517 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510


Re: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and that agencies preparation for war against citizens of the United States of America

Dear Senator Cornyn,

It is with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America. To date, DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of almost 3,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.

Significant is the fact that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta (sic) have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]”–Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.

The Obama administration is deliberately defunding, overextending, and hollowing the Department of Defense; the only legitimate agency of the U.S. government with a war mission.

This act of the Obama administration stands as a glaring threat of war against our nation’s citizens! This act of the Obama administration can only be understood as a tyrannical threat against the Constitution of the United States of America! If left unresolved, the peace loving citizens who have sworn to defend the United States Constitution “against all enemies, both foreign and domestic” are left no option except to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against this Administration’s “coup” against the People and the foundations of liberty fought for and defended for the past 238 years. We have no choice if we honor our oaths.

The only proper response to this threat against the American people is for the representatives of the People, the members of the U.S. House and Senate, to demand in clear terms that the Administration cannot ignore, that the Department of Homeland Security immediately surrender their newly appropriated weapons of war to the Department of Defense (DoD). Further, since the DHS has assumed a position in the Administration to enforce the tyrannical acts of this president against the People of the United States against the limits of the United States Constitution, it remains for the United States Congress to exercise its limiting power in the balancing of powers established by our founding fathers, to disestablish and dissolve the DHS as soon as possible. One needs only to look to the rise of Adolf Hitler, and his associated DHS organizations, the SA and the SS, of 1932-1934, to see the outcome of allowing an agency of government this kind of control over the free citizens of a nation. The people of Germany could not have imagined, until it was too late, the danger of allowing a tyrant this kind of power. We must not be so naïve as to think it will not happen to us as well if we remain passive toward this power grab by the Marxist Obama administration!

Finally, for more than two centuries the nation has lived in peace at home because of the protections of our legitimate military and the many appropriate state and federal law enforcement agencies, supported by Constitutional courts. We stand today at a cross-road. Will we allow this present Administration to overthrow our United States Constitution and its legal processes to amend injustices, or, will we honor our obligations to defend the Constitution against a “domestic” enemy? Our Constitution lays out the proper methods of resolving our differences; and it does not include its overthrow by a rogue agency of a Marxist leadership at home. You, sir, are our constitutionally elected agent to defend our Constitution at home. We are counting upon you. We remain aware, however, of this present threat and will not expose ourselves as an easy prey to the authors of the destruction of our nation.

I know that this letter demands much of you. We elected you because we, the citizens of the State of Texas, believe that you are up to the task at hand and will, against all threats, honor your oath and office. We are also writing to your fellow members of the House and Senate to stand in integrity with the Constitution and against this present threat by the Obama administration and his DHS.

We refuse to surrender our Constitution or our nation!

Resolved,

Captain Terry M. Hestilow
United States Army, Retired
Fort Worth, Texas
March 23, 2013
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #61 on: March 24, 2013, 04:34:51 PM »
Bravo!  More!

And don't forget those recently purchased 7,000 rifles are classified by DHS as "self-defense weapons", while the same ones we own are "assault weapons".
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #62 on: March 24, 2013, 05:14:00 PM »
I agree with you IDP, there should be a lot more people of influence speaking out and demanding action, it is one of those yes-but moments we all wish would catch fire and sweep across the nation and really get the attention of decision makers.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2013, 06:14:50 PM »
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2013, 11:16:06 AM »


DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition


and


McCain and Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Dean Heller (R-Nev.) are at the top of a list of Republicans considered most likely to sign on to legislation expanding background checks after talks with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) stalled earlier this month.

Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) has signaled he will likely support the yet-to-be-finalized proposal he negotiated with Sens. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to expand background checks to cover private gun sales, according to Senate sources

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/289971-mccain-emerges-as-key-republican-in-expanding-background-checks-#ixzz2OZSpTFIg

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #65 on: March 25, 2013, 11:29:48 AM »
That's only one hollow point for every man woman and child living in the city limits of New Orleans, all quite an innocent transaction really, like the preceding millions of rounds...it's all to fend off the Nibiru's...

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Oh, and. . .

McCain -  ::doublebird::

Collins -  ::doublebird::

Heller -  ::doublebird::

Kirk -  ::doublebird::

Schumer -  ::overkill::

Manchin -  ::overkill::
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #66 on: March 25, 2013, 05:56:08 PM »
I wonder what our oh-so-reasonable and non-tin-foil-hattish former friend Janny would have to say about this....

From a retired cop with whom I am facebook friends...

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I can vouch for the fact that in my 22 years as a cop, I never, ever trained with hollow point bullets, with the rare exception that when our duty ammo became old (about 7-8 years I believe) we did fire off our duty ammo and had it replaced at the range with fresh hollow points. Though my duty weapon was always loaded with hollow point bullets, those rounds were provided only for on-duty carry. During my many range qualifications, we were always provided solid tip training ammo which was far less expensive to produce. Homeland Security once again is lying to the American public regarding their true motives in these massive purchases. Since hollow point bullets are banned by international treaty for use by military forces, the only possible target for these hollow point bullets are Americans like you and I, my friends.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #67 on: March 25, 2013, 06:50:07 PM »

If this had been going on during the Bush administration the special interest brokers
would bleat appeals to the United Nations and the media would be on it like a pack
of wolves on Bambi. Followed shortly by uproarious inquisitions.

Oh, Johnny Boehner; Oh, Mitch McConnell and all you sons of bitches in both houses
who promoted them to leadership. And all the fools that voted for them in the first place
may your rewards be rich.

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #68 on: March 25, 2013, 07:28:48 PM »
I wonder what our oh-so-reasonable and non-tin-foil-hattish former friend Janny would have to say about this....

From a retired cop with whom I am facebook friends...


I believe she is an example of how truly effective the cultural virus of Leftism has been. I've mentioned before that I think the retrovirus in nature is a perfect analog to what the Left is in a civilization. Like a virus it uploads itself into a civilization's "cells", i.e. cultural institutions, and then repurposes them to disseminate its goals. Because those institutions were originally created for legitimate, even noble, purposes they retain a large degree of deferential respect from people otherwise opposed to the Left's mission. I'm thinking specifically of things like the police, the military, education, and so on. Conservatives are very deferential to the police and the military. That can be a liability if those institutions are being actively taken over by statist authoritarians who plan to use them as their primary instruments at squashing a backlash to their incipient, unfolding tyranny.

But what do I know, doubting that our government is benevolent in all its doings? I might as well go back to Infowars!
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #69 on: March 25, 2013, 07:50:55 PM »
I wonder what our oh-so-reasonable and non-tin-foil-hattish former friend Janny would have to say about this....

From a retired cop with whom I am facebook friends...


I believe she is an example of how truly effective the cultural virus of Leftism has been. I've mentioned before that I think the retrovirus in nature is a perfect analog to what the Left is in a civilization. Like a virus it uploads itself into a civilization's "cells", i.e. cultural institutions, and then repurposes them to disseminate its goals. Because those institutions were originally created for legitimate, even noble, purposes they retain a large degree of deferential respect from people otherwise opposed to the Left's mission. I'm thinking specifically of things like the police, the military, education, and so on. Conservatives are very deferential to the police and the military. That can be a liability if those institutions are being actively taken over by statist authoritarians who plan to use them as their primary instruments at squashing a backlash to their incipient, unfolding tyranny.

But what do I know, doubting that our government is benevolent in all its doings? I might as well go back to Infowars!

I understand this virus theory intellectually, sort of.  What I do not ken is the refusal by some to periodically switch to re-evaluation mode as a reality check, i.e. do the conditions still hold upon which they've based their opinion and respect.  It's not sacrilegious to take stock of what exists today, compare it to yesterday, and determine that the aforesaid institutions are no longer worthy of respect, support and deference.  I speak specifically of LEOs, and of the military as well, what with the feminization and homosexualization being imposed on it.  Failure to get a grip on *why* it's being done too demonstrates another form of tinfoil hat-wearing.

I'm with you on the Infowars; besides it took the likes of the National Enquirer to get the straight skinny on Monica's blue dress.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2013, 08:10:53 PM »
I wonder what our oh-so-reasonable and non-tin-foil-hattish former friend Janny would have to say about this....

From a retired cop with whom I am facebook friends...


I believe she is an example of how truly effective the cultural virus of Leftism has been. I've mentioned before that I think the retrovirus in nature is a perfect analog to what the Left is in a civilization. Like a virus it uploads itself into a civilization's "cells", i.e. cultural institutions, and then repurposes them to disseminate its goals. Because those institutions were originally created for legitimate, even noble, purposes they retain a large degree of deferential respect from people otherwise opposed to the Left's mission. I'm thinking specifically of things like the police, the military, education, and so on. Conservatives are very deferential to the police and the military. That can be a liability if those institutions are being actively taken over by statist authoritarians who plan to use them as their primary instruments at squashing a backlash to their incipient, unfolding tyranny.

But what do I know, doubting that our government is benevolent in all its doings? I might as well go back to Infowars!

I understand this virus theory intellectually, sort of.  What I do not ken is the refusal by some to periodically switch to re-evaluation mode as a reality check, i.e. do the conditions still hold upon which they've based their opinion and respect.  It's not sacrilegious to take stock of what exists today, compare it to yesterday, and determine that the aforesaid institutions are no longer worthy of respect, support and deference.  I speak specifically of LEOs, and of the military as well, what with the feminization and homosexualization being imposed on it.  Failure to get a grip on *why* it's being done too demonstrates another form of tinfoil hat-wearing.

I'm with you on the Infowars; besides it took the likes of the National Enquirer to get the straight skinny on Monica's blue dress.

I agree with that, it's not sacrilegious to make that reevaluation and I think that's what all of us here have done. But apparently for a lot of people it might as well be. I was listening to Alex Jones' radio show on Friday (here I go discrediting myself) and he was talking about his early years in radio, when he was just beginning to develop a popular show on a station in Austin. He had reported on training exercises the Marines had been conducting about gun confiscation, which was recorded on video, and how he was called into the program director's office and told "don't you dare talk about my Marines again". So it's like, we're not to ask questions or discuss the possibility of the police and military being effectively hijacked and twisted into doing things like this, because asking the question is somehow unpatriotic and disrespectful of the institutions? Apparently, yes, that's exactly the position a lot of people take.

It's infuriatingly ironic, because there is indeed something unpatriotic and disrespectful of the military going on -- but the disrespect is from the politicians who are corrupting their mission, not those of us sounding the alarm.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #71 on: March 25, 2013, 08:31:54 PM »
Hey, you know those armored vehicles that weren't purchased, refurbished or otherwise deployed domestically

Check out the train
Courtesy of Infowars of course.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2013, 06:42:07 AM »
"Nothing to see here, move along."

Then one day you wake up and see military vehicles swarming neighborhoods and rounding up neighbors...soon you find yourself in a FEMA camp (if you're still alive).  But remember the good old days of "Nothing to see here, move along"!

 ::gaah::

So many   ::cussing::  people to throttle, so   ::cussing:: little time!

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2013, 10:47:05 AM »



/sarc
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2013, 10:54:31 AM »

Surely, they have a huge warehouse.

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #75 on: March 26, 2013, 11:28:09 AM »
Surely.

Perhaps it is even vulnerable to theft and/or accidental fire?

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2013, 02:03:21 PM »

Indeed.

Just hand an unreported thought  ::speechless::
These empty shelves - it seems as though they are equally as empty in such utopias as NY, CA, WA and the solid blue states as they are in the most redneck, bitterclinging hellholes of the US.  Interesting.

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2013, 02:05:44 PM »
Love that scene, Glock; it's one of my favorites, in one of my all-time favorite movies.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2013, 02:06:38 PM »
The question seems to be, are they placing these huge orders because they intend to wage war against the citizenry of this country, or is it more of an effort to frustrate and confound the bitter-clingers by drying up the market? Of course, you can make a convincing case that it's probably a bit of both.

But if it's more the latter, it wouldn't surprise me if they buy it up only to be destroyed, hence a lack of warehouses. It would be very government of them wouldn't it? They do like to have one agency to dig holes and another agency to fill them.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2013, 02:17:03 PM »
I find it unlikely to the point of unthinkable that these bureaucracies would spend money on guns, ammo, and armored vehicles, for the sole purpose of destroying it to thwart the citizenry's access to guns and ammo in the free market.

No, they won't destroy it. It would be illogical, given their aspirations and the resistance they will surely face in achieving them.
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