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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #100 on: March 27, 2013, 07:39:55 PM »
Give an inch, asshats take a mile, the chorus should scream "Hell NO!" and hold feet to the fire...and backsliders get stuffed all the way onto the glowing embers!
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #101 on: March 27, 2013, 08:06:06 PM »
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When a citizen sent a pro-2nd amendment email to the publicly available addresses of almost every member of the legislature, Rep. Joseph Mitchell (D-Mobile) decided it was time to get a few things off his chest. A Senator forwarded me the ensuing email thread, as both Mitchell and the citizen continued to CC pretty much everyone in the legislature. The unedited text of the emails is below. The only thing I’ve removed is a portion of the initial email from the citizen that was simply copy and pasted text from the State’s constitution and from a Supreme Court ruling. The citizen included these excerpts in his email to support the point he was making.

   



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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #102 on: March 27, 2013, 08:57:23 PM »
Yes, we took up arms and had this little thing called the civil war, or are you too ignorant to know that Nigger?
The only reason you, a black man, holds the office you do is because a white man like me took up arms to accomplish it on the orders of a White president, and if that hadn't happened, you, nigger, would still be in chains.   You owe White men your freedom, and how do you repay them?

Given the amount of crime and violence perpetrated by guns in BLACK hands usually by other niggers like yourself,  you should be proposing the White people keep their guns and that Black people shouldn't be allowed to own them.


I like that, mind if I use it?

Its a bit stolen already so feel free - my buddy tells a story about a "diversity training" (early on in the introduction of such things)  where the trainer made every minority in the room thank the white people for sharing their power with them . Women- You have the right to vote because White Men voted to give you that.  Blacks- you are free in American because whites were the first to decide slavery was immoral, they  died on the battlefield to free your ancestors, and so on.  White Men were the power in this country and they voted and decided to willingly share it. No White men aren't implicitly saints, but neither is any other race, as much as they want to play the victim.  What does it matter what some people my  color did to some people your  color 100 years ago? Does that justify you doing the reverse now? To them, it does, which is why invaders used to kill every native male in the occupied territory. A Policy we should remember when its our turn.. 
 

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #103 on: March 28, 2013, 06:58:57 AM »
Let it not be said that Alex Jones does not know genius when he sees it and uses it when it is necessary -

Talk show host Mark Levin, a lawyer who served in several posts during the Reagan administration and who is no conspiracy theorist, had this to say about DHS’ extraordinary purchases:

To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, the [Department of Homeland Security] is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war. … I’m going to tell you what I think is going on. I don’t think domestic insurrection. Law enforcement and national security agencies, they play out multiple scenarios. … I’ll tell you what I think they’re simulating: the collapse of our financial system, the collapse of our society and the potential for widespread violence, looting, killing in the streets, because that’s what happens when an economy collapses. I suspect that just in case our fiscal situation, our monetary situation, collapses, and following it the civil society collapses, that is the rule of law, they want to be prepared. I know why the government’s arming up: It’s not because there’s going to be an insurrection; it’s because our society is unraveling.


http://www.infowars.com/dhs-excuses-for-buying-so-much-ammo-dont-add-up/


Hyperinflation always starts with a surge in asset prices. And as I see stock markets at new highs, property prices posting big increases, and bond yields of the greatest debtor nations in the world hover at just over ZERO, a sane person ought to consider these important lessons from history.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-27/guest-post-sane-person-ought-consider-these-important-lessons

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http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7154.msg94283.html
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2013, 10:32:05 AM »
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I’ll tell you what I think they’re simulating: the collapse of our financial system, the collapse of our society and the potential for widespread violence, looting, killing in the streets, because that’s what happens when an economy collapses. I suspect that just in case our fiscal situation, our monetary situation, collapses, and following it the civil society collapses, that is the rule of law, they want to be prepared. I know why the government’s arming up: It’s not because there’s going to be an insurrection; it’s because our society is unraveling

Sure. But... NEVER. LET. A. CRISIS. GO. TO. WASTE.

They  will use this chaos as the excuse to disarm the American people and move their agenda forward.  BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS DO. This crisis is engineered Cloward-Piven - they could work to avert it, but instead they pile on more debt. They force more people onto welfare. They add regulation that slow commerce and even attepted to kill family farms by outlawing child labor on them.

They aren't worried about preparing  in case of an insurrection.. they are planning to use the chaos as an excuse for forcing the bitter clingers into one.  Look! The Evil Bitter Clingers shot at our freedom loving troops who are only disarming the people for their own protection. We must all pull together and co-operate with authorities. Turn in your neighbors, that way we can  put them in work  camps as a punishment for their anti-social behavior.

I have never been  convinced that Obama (or anyone)  wants control over the United States, as such control is almost impossible given we are armed to the teeth and actually think we have God-Given inalienable rights.  The goal here might not be domination - it might be just neutering us and removing us from the world stage, allowing them to consolidate control elsewhere, while we wallow in decades of Civil war.  Then once we finish killing each other,  they are ready to take us on- the rest of the world vs the NAR. Hell they might just EMP pulse the country at that point and leave us in darkness for another 10 years. Or just  nuke usi nthe middle of the conflict  while we have no Command and control  capable of responding.  Or just release a plague and watch us die of inadequate treatment.

Levin is wrong. This isn't just concern over a societal collapse. They will use this to try and ensure that America either becomes a Marxist dictatorship, or is utterly destroyed.

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #105 on: March 28, 2013, 11:19:49 AM »

If Levin is correct and Libertas observation is accurate, the unraveling and hyperinflation goes directly to Glock's question about what does one do with what they have in order to preserve and/or increase their wealth in this scenario.

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #106 on: March 28, 2013, 11:55:34 AM »
I am not going to discount Weisshaupts interpretation, in actuality there is no way to know what the full scope of statist strategy and tactics may be until they are advanced into action, if they plan on jumping in before crap hits the fan or after, the end result is the same - we are on our own.  To CO's point I do not think there is a "perfect" strategy to retain ones wealth and I certainly do not think increasing it is going to be very likely.  Not getting too wedded to one strategy makes the most sense, but given the trends we are seeing guns, ammo, food, water and medical supplies seem to be the best investments, PMs may not have utility until further down the line when what remains of an indigineous population is poised to venture beyond their enclaves and establish trade, land is likely good but probably not so if in proximity to urban zoos, government installations and the like.  You will have to have the means and the personnel to keep what you have, either you can or you cannot.  One plan does not fit all.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #107 on: April 26, 2013, 07:46:26 AM »
DHS goons grilled on ammo purchases & use!

"Nick Nayak, chief procurement officer for the Department of Homeland Security, did not challenge Chaffetz's numbers."

"The department has long said it needs the bullets for agents in training and on duty, and buys in bulk to save money."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/reps-challenge-dhs-ammo-buys-say-agency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/

Uhh huh.  Lets do the math, shall we?  In 2012 they shot 116,000,000 rounds by 70,000 DHS employees, that's 1,657.14 rounds/person!  The US Army only averages 350 rounds/soldier.  So the DHS shooters are out shooting soldiers (whose job it is is to kill people wholesale) 4.73 to 1!

Training, duty, save money my ass!  You don't train with hollow points, you kill people with hollow points!

Damned lying liars!!!

At a hearing on Capitol Hill Thursday, top DHS training officer Humberto Medina said he could "say categorically that was not a factor at all" in the purchases. He also noted that ammunition DHS purchased would be used for both operations and training purchases.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/04/25/dhs-denies-ammo-purchases-aimed-at-civilians

I can categorically say that I do not trust these bastards one iota!

They are setting up a SS style goon squad because they know their failed policies and neo-Keynesian economic manipulations are nearing an end and they are going to take full advantage of it!
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #108 on: April 26, 2013, 08:03:38 AM »

Body armor, anyone?

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #109 on: April 26, 2013, 08:29:38 AM »

Body armor, anyone?

That might get you on a list Charles.

Hmmm...  ::thinking::

List.... Bullet-riddled....  List.... Bullet-riddled....

I just can't decide which is worse.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #110 on: April 26, 2013, 08:51:19 AM »

Training, duty, save money my ass!  You don't train with hollow points, you kill people with hollow points!

Damned lying liars!!!


If you have half a brain you know we are lying to you, but trust us. Its not like we have lied and abused your trust before now...besides , after Obamacare kicks in it will all be Rainbows and skittles because we will start to force drugs on you.
 

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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #111 on: April 26, 2013, 08:56:49 AM »

Training, duty, save money my ass!  You don't train with hollow points, you kill people with hollow points!

Damned lying liars!!!


If you have half a brain you know we are lying to you, but trust us. Its not like we have lied and abused your trust before now...besides , after Obamacare kicks in it will all be Rainbows and skittles because we will start to force drugs on you...
 

... and then we'll strip you of your constitutional right to bear arms because you're being "treated" for mental illness. Oh, and did we mention, conservatism is mental illness...
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #112 on: April 26, 2013, 05:43:28 PM »
What else could /i say other than I agree. ::thumbsup::

If they were so gun-ho on quantity discount then they wouldn't object to ordering quite a bit more F-22 Raptors for that discount.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #113 on: April 26, 2013, 08:11:43 PM »
  With a little luck we'll be buying the ammo as surpluss.
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« Reply #114 on: April 26, 2013, 09:41:14 PM »
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #115 on: April 28, 2013, 09:26:05 PM »
  With a little luck we'll be buying the ammo as surpluss.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #117 on: May 06, 2013, 07:29:12 PM »
DHS goons grilled on ammo purchases & use!

"Nick Nayak, chief procurement officer for the Department of Homeland Security, did not challenge Chaffetz's numbers."

"The department has long said it needs the bullets for agents in training and on duty, and buys in bulk to save money."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/reps-challenge-dhs-ammo-buys-say-agency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/

Uhh huh.  Lets do the math, shall we?  In 2012 they shot 116,000,000 rounds by 70,000 DHS employees, that's 1,657.14 rounds/person!  The US Army only averages 350 rounds/soldier.  So the DHS shooters are out shooting soldiers (whose job it is is to kill people wholesale) 4.73 to 1!

Training, duty, save money my ass!  You don't train with hollow points, you kill people with hollow points!

Damned lying liars!!!

At a hearing on Capitol Hill Thursday, top DHS training officer Humberto Medina said he could "say categorically that was not a factor at all" in the purchases. He also noted that ammunition DHS purchased would be used for both operations and training purchases.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/04/25/dhs-denies-ammo-purchases-aimed-at-civilians

I can categorically say that I do not trust these bastards one iota!

They are setting up a SS style goon squad because they know their failed policies and neo-Keynesian economic manipulations are nearing an end and they are going to take full advantage of it!

About that Nick Nayak ...

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...  Oklahoma Republican Sen. James Inhofe accused the Obama administration of buying up ammunition at an unprecedented level to bypass the Second Amendment so gun-owners “can’t even buy ammunition because government is purchasing so much.

...  testimony last month from Nick Nayak, the Department of Homeland Security’s chief procurement officer, who said DHS has the right to buy up the ammunition.

“I believe it’s intentional,” Inhofe said. “Now we had someone testify the other day the DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, has the ‘right’ — this is a bureaucrat that said this — they have the ‘right’ to buy as much as they want, and they’re planning to buy 750 million rounds. Well, that is more than three times the amount that our soldiers are using for training to defend our nation. So, it’s just another effort to restrict gun activity and ownership. We have in this country the Second Amendment, that preserves the right to keep and bear arms, and the president doesn’t believe in that.”

Inhofe was skeptical of theory that the ammo buy-up was an effort by DHS to seize power from the state, as some have suggested, but did say it was unprecedented and shouldn’t be allowed.

“This has never happened in this country before,” he added. “We’ve never had government trying to take that much control at the expense of the law-abiding citizens. And we’re not going to let it happen.”

Inhofe's filing a bill -- more info at link.


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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #118 on: May 06, 2013, 08:25:06 PM »
Oh goody, and when Obama signs that legisla.....   ::cussing::

 ::gaah::

There is only one way to stop a bully - bash the bastard in the face as hard as possible and cause lots of bleeding and pain...unless congresscritters are willing to cease funding all government activity they won't get anything done.

The play-nice party will never agree to that, so eff the GOP anyway, they're useless.
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Re: DHS buying more hollow points...
« Reply #119 on: May 30, 2013, 11:13:10 PM »

Now what?  They are becoming antique collectors, rabbit and bird hunters; WTF?

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