Topic: The Line in the Sand

[Libertas]

Right CO, plus during the war years he suspended Habeas Corpus, spent national funds without congressional authority, conscription, land-grant colleges, the revenue act that created the first national income tax...much of this bureaucratic infrastructure and means of conducting business (later made "legal" by congress & the courts) have this as the genesis of much of the ills bedeviling us today.  I meant no implication of nor condone any attempt to give credence of any kind to any reparations nonesense.

 

ETA - Indeed that "can of worms" got me in trouble with the fella no longer with us, I merely acknowledge the facts you are referencing Glock (and that I tried to itemize above) that while I think Lincoln was to a large extent thrust to do what he did, I can both recognize the fact that I didn't like slavery from the get-go (leaving Africans in Africa would have made this a much happier nation IMO) and that the moral failing of the South with respect to slavery made it virtually untenable for the South to get traction on its legitimate claim as independent states in a Federal compact and the free association implicitly implied thereof.

[benb61]

I'm not going to go any further into this can of worms other than to point out that those directly impacted would include any who believe the current Leviathan in DC is drunk with power, reckless, and openly flaunting and disdainful of any attempts to rein it in. Prior to the Civil War the constitutional relationship between the states and the Federal government that they themselves created was basically observed. After the Civil War the Federal government has been on its continual trajectory leading to the here and now. Having shown itself willing to wage war against those states' Declaration of Independence, and having done so successfully, the pretense of government by consent of the governed was over. We now enjoy the happy fruits.

Nobody wants to be in a position of being an implicit apologist for the institution of slavery, and you can by virtue of that fact make the argument that the Civil War was not as simplistic as states withdrawing their consent to be governed, I certainly grant that; and I will likewise argue that it is not simplistic in any other direction either. I point out only that the very fact that we, here in the second decade of the 21st century, are again hearing not-entirely-unserious talk of secession as proof that the Civil War left many philosophical questions not so much settled as merely fatigued into submission for a while.

I agree with all you have said, and to that I'll state that it didn't affect just "our southern brothers and sisters" but all of America.

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ETA - Indeed that "can of worms" got me in trouble with the fella no longer with us, I merely acknowledge the facts you are referencing Glock (and that I tried to itemize above) that while I think Lincoln was to a large extent thrust to do what he did, I can both recognize the fact that I didn't like slavery from the get-go (leaving Africans in Africa would have made this a much happier nation IMO) and that the moral failing of the South with respect to slavery made it virtually untenable for the South to get traction on its legitimate claim as independent states in a Federal compact and the free association implicitly implied thereof.

Interesting point.  Thinking about it, there were some negros that came to America that were not slaves, they were escaping tyranny and saw the vision of America.  Those folks and their children understood what it meant to be American.  There was also a larger group of negros that were kidnapped and brought to America and sold into slavery.  Those folks and their children have no idea what it means to be American.  They were forced to be here, whipped if they didn't work hard enough, had their children and spouses raped and killed for little more than thinking of escape and freedom, no wonder that the majority of these descendants expect something more and are just generally angry.  Thoughts?

[Weisshaupt]

They were forced to be here, whipped if they didn't work hard enough, had their children and spouses raped and killed for little more than thinking of escape and freedom, no wonder that the majority of these descendants expect something more and are just generally angry.  Thoughts?

They are only angry they are no longer slaves.  What are they demanding? A Job? Slavery gave them that.
"Free" Housing, food, medical care, clothing?  Slavery gave them that.

The only thing they are angry at is that we are not ALL slaves. That some of us have ambition and ability, and it demonstrates, very clearly, what they are lacking.
They know they are incapable of acquiring a goat with the skills and gifts they have and are therefore green with envy and intent of robbing Ivan of his.

Being born in America has given them a much better opportunity than they would have found anywhere in Africa - they ALREADY HAVE MORE and they squander it. No black alive was ever a slave. The only "legacy" of slavery is apparently a longing  wish to return to being an irresponsible, savage  animal of burden  kept at bay only by a whip.

[Libertas]

Agreed, there is no longer anyone alive who remembers anyone in slavery, but slavery was replaced by the Klan and Jim Crow, they became the new scapegoats to lean on, then MLK came and took that crutch away and now the race-baiting pimps are pissed about it because it means they have to come up with a new crutch to give to the ignorant masses, so they came up with poverty and "soft" racism, so you see the African community such as it is sees no benefit to being free, being free has the other side of the coin called "responsibility" and heck, why would they want that?  Now they got Unca Shug giving them all they need, so they can stay on the Democrat plantation and keep sucking off everybody else.  The only thing different now is they wear their shackles by choice now and they are unwilling to acknowledge it.  And liberal whitey is ensuring the rest of us are enslaved to the state to keep funding it.  The key to all this mess is for whitey to quit being productive.

[Pandora]

Agreed, there is no longer anyone alive who remembers anyone in slavery, but slavery was replaced by the Klan and Jim Crow, they became the new scapegoats to lean on, then MLK came and took that crutch away and now the race-baiting pimps are pissed about it because it means they have to come up with a new crutch to give to the ignorant masses, so they came up with poverty and "soft" racism, so you see the African community such as it is sees no benefit to being free, being free has the other side of the coin called "responsibility" and heck, why would they want that?  Now they got Unca Shug giving them all they need, so they can stay on the Democrat plantation and keep sucking off everybody else.  The only thing different now is they wear their shackles by choice now and they are unwilling to acknowledge it.  And liberal whitey is ensuring the rest of us are enslaved to the state to keep funding it.  The key to all this mess is for whitey to quit being productive.

Libertas, you couldn't have provided a better lead-in for Chapter 18 of Tales of New America:

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7682.msg90472.html#msg90472

[Libertas]

Agreed, there is no longer anyone alive who remembers anyone in slavery, but slavery was replaced by the Klan and Jim Crow, they became the new scapegoats to lean on, then MLK came and took that crutch away and now the race-baiting pimps are pissed about it because it means they have to come up with a new crutch to give to the ignorant masses, so they came up with poverty and "soft" racism, so you see the African community such as it is sees no benefit to being free, being free has the other side of the coin called "responsibility" and heck, why would they want that?  Now they got Unca Shug giving them all they need, so they can stay on the Democrat plantation and keep sucking off everybody else.  The only thing different now is they wear their shackles by choice now and they are unwilling to acknowledge it.  And liberal whitey is ensuring the rest of us are enslaved to the state to keep funding it.  The key to all this mess is for whitey to quit being productive.

Libertas, you couldn't have provided a better lead-in for Chapter 18 of Tales of New America:

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7682.msg90472.html#msg90472

Cool, I gotta get caught up!

[Libertas]

Just more confirmation of what we already know their desires are -

gun-grabbing DemoNazis

Molôn Labé, fothermuckers!

Oh, and this sucks.  Comcast asshattery getting worse (was never good), just where can I get my high-speed internet from if I kick these jackasses to the curb?

Comcast siding with gun-grabbers

Maybe these folks can band together and sue their asses for discrimination.  Their money is as good as anybodies, why should they get denied advertising opportunites?  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts Planned Parenthood advertises with them, and they've only killed tens of millions more people than all privately owned guns combined!!!

 

In closing, let us keep in mind who our enemies are and resolve not be be disarmed!



H/T - IMAO

Molôn Labé, fothermucker!

[warpmine]

Just more confirmation of what we already know their desires are -

gun-grabbing DemoNazis

Molôn Labé, fothermuckers!

Oh, and this sucks.  Comcast asshattery getting worse (was never good), just where can I get my high-speed internet from if I kick these jackasses to the curb?

Comcast siding with gun-grabbers

Maybe these folks can band together and sue their asses for discrimination.  Their money is as good as anybodies, why should they get denied advertising opportunites?  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts Planned Parenthood advertises with them, and they've only killed tens of millions more people than all privately owned guns combined!!!

 

In closing, let us keep in mind who our enemies are and resolve not be be disarmed!



H/T - IMAO

Molôn Labé, fothermucker!

Problem is, it's perfectly legal to deny anyone advertising if that's what they want to do. However, the shoe seems to be on the other foot when the government desires to force businesses to cater to sexual deviants in the form of same sex couples/marriage.

The problem is that our illustrious federal government continues to advance monopolies in the for of banking giants and communication companies such as Commiecast cable. If we had testicles we would all locate the CEO and mass a protest as the scum left does to get our point across. Why must we all take the high ground upon fighting the evil that will take whatever path is necessary to achieve it's goals?

[Libertas]

Sure, it's legal, but it is unethical as Hell since the government is picking the winners and losers by choosing who gets the monopoly franchise (usually the one kicking in the most campaign contributions).  Do we have an alternate cable company operating in the market?, no we do not, we are captive of government established monopolies!  So in this context I do not think it should be legal to exclude advertising opportunity just because of political considerations, considerations that run contrary to the benefactor of their exclusive franchise.  People and targeted businesses should be banding together to bring these clowns to their knees.  Targeting homes of exec's is fine with me, the Left does it all the time and gets away with it, along with publishing it in the open.  The Left likes to talk about fairness, we should force it in these cases.  Sue them, target them for boycotts, march on their homes, overwhelm the useless congresscriters with e-mail bombs, fax-attacks and such.  All we do is grab our ankles and piss and moan...

[charlesoakwood]

Rush was talking about "fairness" today.
Suggested in "fairness" to the first amendment, as
with the second amendment, journalists should be
required to have a background check, drug tests, etc. 
That would only be fair wouldn't it?

"RUSH: We might want to start considering, at least talking about, registering journalists, just like we have to register guns.  Background checks and all of that.  Because this is mental illness."

Link

[Libertas]

Yeah, why not?  Extend their effed up logic to them, but then all they do is chuckle, call the idea ridiculous and heap scorn upon the person who suggested it...throw enough crap in the air and people cannot see shyt from turds...the entire mindset has to change for there to be any real or effective opposition to the statists.

I'm just not seeing any evidence of it in sufficient quantities to make a damn bit of difference.

[Weisshaupt]

Yeah, why not?  Extend their effed up logic to them, but then all they do is chuckle, call the idea ridiculous and heap scorn upon the person who suggested it...throw enough crap in the air and people cannot see shyt from turds...the entire mindset has to change for there to be any real or effective opposition to the statists.

I'm just not seeing any evidence of it in sufficient quantities to make a damn bit of difference.

Liberals do not negotiate in good faith. They don't care about making an argument, or arriving at the truth, they just want their way, and they will lie, cheat, steal, enslave and kill to get it.   They are unwilling to live and let live. They are unwilling to ever leave you alone to live your own life.  They don't want to take your squirrel gun, till after they have taken your pistol.  They push and push and push till they get what they want and they will never, ever stop, care about your rights, or your feelings, or ever see you as anything but "evil" as long as you oppose their glorious quest for totalitarian utopia. Trying to use words with them is what makes them chuckle -- "look at the sucker who thinks he can make a deal with me!"

Stop talking to them. They claim the words in the Constitution mean nothing- then by extension so does the government they created.  Stop obeying their illegitimate govt and their right-denying laws.  Molon Labe.  And when they come issue no warnings.. again for them its just words.  The only think a bully understands is being knocked on their ass.

[Libertas]

Yeah, why not?  Extend their effed up logic to them, but then all they do is chuckle, call the idea ridiculous and heap scorn upon the person who suggested it...throw enough crap in the air and people cannot see shyt from turds...the entire mindset has to change for there to be any real or effective opposition to the statists.

I'm just not seeing any evidence of it in sufficient quantities to make a damn bit of difference.

Liberals do not negotiate in good faith. They don't care about making an argument, or arriving at the truth, they just want their way, and they will lie, cheat, steal, enslave and kill to get it.   They are unwilling to live and let live. They are unwilling to ever leave you alone to live your own life.  They don't want to take your squirrel gun, till after they have taken your pistol.  They push and push and push till they get what they want and they will never, ever stop, care about your rights, or your feelings, or ever see you as anything but "evil" as long as you oppose their glorious quest for totalitarian utopia. Trying to use words with them is what makes them chuckle -- "look at the sucker who thinks he can make a deal with me!"

Stop talking to them. They claim the words in the Constitution mean nothing- then by extension so does the government they created.  Stop obeying their illegitimate govt and their right-denying laws.  Molon Labe.  And when they come issue no warnings.. again for them its just words.  The only think a bully understands is being knocked on their ass.

Got that right!   

[Glock32]

Yeah, why not?  Extend their effed up logic to them, but then all they do is chuckle, call the idea ridiculous and heap scorn upon the person who suggested it...throw enough crap in the air and people cannot see shyt from turds...the entire mindset has to change for there to be any real or effective opposition to the statists.

I'm just not seeing any evidence of it in sufficient quantities to make a damn bit of difference.

Liberals do not negotiate in good faith. They don't care about making an argument, or arriving at the truth, they just want their way, and they will lie, cheat, steal, enslave and kill to get it.   They are unwilling to live and let live. They are unwilling to ever leave you alone to live your own life.  They don't want to take your squirrel gun, till after they have taken your pistol.  They push and push and push till they get what they want and they will never, ever stop, care about your rights, or your feelings, or ever see you as anything but "evil" as long as you oppose their glorious quest for totalitarian utopia. Trying to use words with them is what makes them chuckle -- "look at the sucker who thinks he can make a deal with me!"

Stop talking to them. They claim the words in the Constitution mean nothing- then by extension so does the government they created.  Stop obeying their illegitimate govt and their right-denying laws.  Molon Labe.  And when they come issue no warnings.. again for them its just words.  The only think a bully understands is being knocked on their ass.

Exactly.  And when discussing this, I am always thinking of this scene from the first Terminator movie:


The Terminator: 1984 - 22 second video. "And it absolutely will NOT stop! EVER! Until you are dead!"


The Left are like the Terminator in their relentlessness and total disregard for anything but their own objectives.

[Pandora]

"Designed to prepare officers for the worst possible situation."

Reader David Turner sent me a link to these Law Enforcement "No More Hesitation" training targets to ask me what I thought of them. Here are four of the seven:



The sales spiel goes:

    No More Hesitation Targets were designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.  No More Hesitation faded background enhances the isolation and is meant to help the transition for officers who are faced with these highly unusal targets for the first time.

Kevin included a link to the site for "No More Hesitation" training targets which informs me "Server too busy" when I went to check what the other three look like, because it's kind of amazing (donchathink?) that all of these targets are White people?  Oh, right; these are not yer "usual targets".

eta:  Something I missed until it was pointed out; most of these "targets" are in places where they have a right to be.  Two are in their homes and it appears the other two are on their property.  So, who, exactly is the "hostile" in these scenarios?

Another link:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi#comment

[Glock32]

I'm telling you, they are gearing up both physically and mentally for an orgy of murder. I heard about these targets on the Alex Jones show yesterday. It's the most disgusting thing I've seen yet, though they do have an uncanny ability to keep raising that bar.

[Libertas]

I wonder if there are any uniformed police shooting targets I can get and bring to the local range?  Wonder how many stares that will draw?  I wonder if I'd get asked to leave?

Really, targeting civilians is OK, but there is no such thing as bad LEOs carrying out illegal orders against civilians?

People have lost their effing minds.

We will be required to shoot in all directions when the time comes.

[AlanS]

We will be required to shoot in all directions when the time comes.

After some serious consideration, I've come to the conclusion that IF the government were to come for me, I'm screwed. There's no way in hell I can defend myself against the sheer numbers and firepower they can bring to the table. My worst case scenario is defending my family and property from the Odumbo voters when the well runs dry. Anything worse than that....Well, it'll have a less than desirable outcome.

And I don't plan on going on the offensive. My time and energy will be taken up being productive while surviving.

[Weisshaupt]

After some serious consideration, I've come to the conclusion that IF the government were to come for me, I'm screwed. There's no way in hell I can defend myself against the sheer numbers and firepower they can bring to the table.

 If they really  start moving House to House you have to get with your neighbors and go on the offensive, and ambush them as they move, as that increases your personal odds of survival.  if they come at you and you are isolated, your job is to get as many as you can before they take you down. 

Y Just don't make it easy, because that means there is one less for me to deal with when they come for me. The job has to be dangerous enough that no one wants to do it.  Its hard to justify going after people who are in their homes minding their own business and who won't hurt anyone if left alone. Even the libtards who voted for this fascist tyrant might notice something is wrong at that point. Of course like the Germans and the Jews, they will probably just stand there and watch. Which is why you leave a deadman switch that sets your liberal neighbor's house on fire unless you are there to turn it off every week or so. Leave traps for the men who come- poison the Alcohol, set up lethal objects they will trigger as they search. Place land mines behind obvious bits of cover at your place.  Inflict as high a cost as possible

Liberty or Death.  And given what they will probably do to you if you are captured, death is probably the better option.

[Libertas]

"leave a deadman switch that sets your liberal neighbor's house on fire unless you are there to turn it off every week or so"