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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2013, 04:19:04 PM »
http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/2013/02/update-on-those-no-more-hesitation.html

"It seems that the manufacturer has taken them off their website and apologized:

    We apologize for the offensive nature of our "No More Hesitation" products. These products have been taken offline due to the opinions expressed by so many, including members of the law enforcement community.

    This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community to train police officers for unusually complex situations where split-second decisions could lead to unnecessary loss of life.

    Consistent with our company mission as a training supplier (not a training methods company), we will continue to seek input from law enforcement professionals to better serve their training objectives and qualification needs. We sincerely appreciate law enforcement professionals for the risks they take in providing safety and defending freedom.


As InfoWars explains, though:

    The company's excuse that the targets were designed to help police prevent "unnecessary loss of life" is highly dubious given that the images were all of armed individuals termed "non-traditional threats," designed to ensure "no more hesitation" from police officers encountering them.

    As one respondent to the company explained, "Look, each of the supposed "threats" appeared to be in their own home settings. They were also all holding a weapon… It is obvious these paper targets were never intended to be decoy (don't shoot targets). It is apparent this was designed to assist in desensitizing the trainee."

    In addition, the company had previously struck a different tone when it told Reason's Mike Riggs that the targets were designed to combat, "hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition."

    Although the targets have been taken off the company's website, it's unclear whether or not they have been removed from sale entirely.

That's a question I would like answered."
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2013, 05:04:31 PM »

...individuals termed "non-traditional threats," designed to ensure "no more hesitation"

Sounds like it came from a TSA training manual.

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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2013, 10:16:03 PM »
As we've been discussing on other threads, the thing about these targets that I find most disturbing is that they're depicted as being in their own homes! It's not as if the pregnant woman is pictured running out of the bank with burst dye pack all over her hands and a gun held to a hostage's head, no she's depicted doing nothing more nefarious than being in her own damn house!

Just what, again, is this supposed to help the police train to do?
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2013, 09:47:41 AM »
 If it's me were talking about I would be shooting at the gun pointed at me,the person holding it isn't in my thoughts.
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2013, 12:34:43 PM »
As we've been discussing on other threads, the thing about these targets that I find most disturbing is that they're depicted as being in their own homes! It's not as if the pregnant woman is pictured running out of the bank with burst dye pack all over her hands and a gun held to a hostage's head, no she's depicted doing nothing more nefarious than being in her own damn house!

Just what, again, is this supposed to help the police train to do?

Yea, give me the person who thought it was a good idea to use homes as a backdrop.....or am I supposed to believe the pregnant women burst out of the bank, led police on a high speed chase and barricaded herself in her home.
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #105 on: February 24, 2013, 12:11:30 PM »
If it's me were talking about I would be shooting at the gun pointed at me,the person holding it isn't in my thoughts.

 ::thumbsup::

More pushback here -

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas

More, faster, louder!!!

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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #106 on: February 24, 2013, 05:47:07 PM »
If it's me were talking about I would be shooting at the gun pointed at me,the person holding it isn't in my thoughts.

 ::thumbsup::

More pushback here -

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas

More, faster, louder!!!

 ::clapping::

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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #107 on: February 24, 2013, 07:18:38 PM »
If it's me were talking about I would be shooting at the gun pointed at me,the person holding it isn't in my thoughts.

 ::thumbsup::

More pushback here -

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas

More, faster, louder!!!

 ::clapping::

  That worm may be turning.

I'll believe it when the ammo companies quit selling to the state.
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #108 on: February 25, 2013, 12:11:06 AM »
Now Beretta is threatening to leave Maryland over proposed anti-gun laws there. They don't get much bigger than Beretta, and they're a major supplier to the US military too.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/24/berettas-dont-bluff-major-gun-company-threatens-to-leave-maryland-over-new-gun-control-proposals/


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But according to the Washington Post, the company’s Italian “patriarch” Ugo Gussalli Beretta expressed a lack of confidence in the state.

“All I can tell you is, there always seems to be a problem with Maryland,” he reportedly said.


In Glock32's imagined version, Signor Beretta then threw in a  ::vafancoul::
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #109 on: February 25, 2013, 01:38:35 AM »
If he didn't actually do it, he was thinking it.
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #110 on: February 25, 2013, 06:54:09 AM »
I hope he did it!   ::thumbsup::

MOAR!!!

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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #111 on: February 25, 2013, 01:21:16 PM »
Rush is talking about this right now -

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/23/nra-uses-justice-memo-accuse-obama-admin-wanting-c/

I love it when people rip off a regime limb and beat them with it!   ::bustamove::

Do not hear anybody on the Hill running with it, God forbid those feckless morons get off their fat lazy asses!   ::gaah::
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2013, 06:55:24 PM »
Idaho, Texas and South Carolina have sent
solicitations and warm invitations.

Bet any one of those states would give tax
abatement or some other incentive.

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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #113 on: February 25, 2013, 07:45:56 PM »
SC already has Fabrique Nationale in Columbia, who make the M16, M4, M249, and M240 weapons for the DoD. It would be a natural fit for Beretta.
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #114 on: February 26, 2013, 07:16:19 AM »
More of this bullshyt now, from the party of fake voters and fake everything else, more fake twitters to gin up anti-2A efforts -

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/284679-gop-lawmaker-says-obama-using-fake-people-to-flood-twitter-with-gun-control-messages

I'd like to give this regime a not too fake ass-whupin'!
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #115 on: February 26, 2013, 07:20:36 AM »
More of this bullshyt now, from the party of fake voters and fake everything else, more fake twitters to gin up anti-2A efforts -

Afroturfing For Owebama.

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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #116 on: February 26, 2013, 07:31:53 AM »
Fro's & Ho's fo 'Bama!

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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #117 on: February 27, 2013, 07:42:02 AM »
Another batch of asshats crossing the line!

http://www.infowars.com/city-wants-power-to-disarm-individuals-during-crisis/

Here's an idea, STFD & STFU!
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #118 on: February 27, 2013, 11:11:55 AM »
Yeah there was some town in North Carolina that had a similar ordinance. Pan may remember the town, I think it was somewhere not too far from her neck of the woods. But anyhow they tried to enact the ordinance during a no big deal snowstorm. If I am remembering correctly, the NC legislature passed a law in response, preempting such local shenanigans.
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Re: The Line in the Sand
« Reply #119 on: February 27, 2013, 11:22:59 AM »
I'd like to see these morons try to disarm people who armed and not breaking any (sensible) law!
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