Topic: The Line in the Sand

[Pandora]

Yeah there was some town in North Carolina that had a similar ordinance. Pan may remember the town, I think it was somewhere not too far from her neck of the woods. But anyhow they tried to enact the ordinance during a no big deal snowstorm. If I am remembering correctly, the NC legislature passed a law in response, preempting such local shenanigans.

The whole state of NC was subject to it, Glock, whenever the Governor declared a State of Emergency, although individual cities/towns were permitted to declare their own.

I hope you're remembering correctly about The Ledge preempting the bullspit because I can't recall whether they got this fixed or not.

Oh, and not for nothing, the SOE declaration also banned the buying and transporting of liquor.  Go figger.

[Glock32]

Yeah there was some town in North Carolina that had a similar ordinance. Pan may remember the town, I think it was somewhere not too far from her neck of the woods. But anyhow they tried to enact the ordinance during a no big deal snowstorm. If I am remembering correctly, the NC legislature passed a law in response, preempting such local shenanigans.

The whole state of NC was subject to it, Glock, whenever the Governor declared a State of Emergency, although individual cities/towns were permitted to declare their own.

I hope you're remembering correctly about The Ledge preempting the bullspit because I can't recall whether they got this fixed or not.

Oh, and not for nothing, the SOE declaration also banned the buying and transporting of liquor.  Go figger.

http://grnc.org/defend-your-rights/options/recent-grnc-updates/250-grnc-wins-state-of-emergency-suit-strikes-gun-ban

Gun Rights Supporters:

 

     Congratulations! You have won a great victory today as Grass Roots North Carolina and the Second Amendment Foundation won the Bateman v. Perdue lawsuit to strike down North Carolina's "state of emergency" gun ban. You should also thank GRNC supporters Michael Bateman, Virgil Green and Forrest Minges, Jr., who were plaintiffs in the suit.   

     You'll notice that I'm writing you on Rights Watch International letterhead. As you recall, RWI is GRNC's educational and legal action arm, but more on that in a moment. Right now, on to the good news.

From GRNC's press release earlier today ...
 

     Writing for the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina, Senior U.S. District Judge Malcolm J. Howard today added another to the growing list of gun laws struck down on Second Amendment grounds.   


State of Emergency Gun Ban


     In Bateman et al. v. Perdue et al., at issue was the state's blanket prohibition on carrying firearms outside the home during declared states of emergency. During numerous states of emergency involving hurricanes and other phenomena, lawful North Carolinians have been prevented from protecting themselves outside the home, including an incident in which King, NC posted the entire town against firearms in anticipation of a snowstorm. Plaintiffs for the case were gun rights organizations Grass Roots North Carolina, the Second Amendment Foundation, and citizens Michael Bateman, Virgil Green and Forrest Minges, Jr. 


Second Amendment Scholarship

     The Bateman decision further extends the right to bear arms outside the home. Extensively cited in the decision were the recent Supreme Court decision affirming an individual right to keep and bear arms in D.C. v. Heller, the "incorporation" of the Second Amendment in Mc Donald v. Chicago, and recent Fourth Circuit decisions in U.S. v. Chester and U.S. v. Masciandaro.

From the decision:

Citing from Masciandaro: "...the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms 'is not strictly limited to the home environment but extends in some form to wherever those activities or needs occur.'"

"It cannot be seriously questioned that the emergency declaration laws at issue here burden conduct protected by the Second Amendment..."

 
"...the statutes here excessively intrude upon plaintiffs' Second Amendment rights by effectively banning them (and the public at large) from engaging in conduct that is at the very core of the Second Amendment at a time when the need for self-defense may be at its very greatest."

[Pandora]

Oh good!  Thanks, Glock.

Eta:  I don't always pay attention to such things (the SOE ban) because I don't pay attention to such things, iow, ofttimes I aim to misbehave.  It's just the way it is.

[Glock32]

I forget about these things as well.  We have to endure a constant, daily assault on liberty.  We were warned the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, but in the modern era with communication being instantaneous it is so easy to be fatigued by it. I wish "our" side had a tenth of the persistence of our enemies. I'm sure they are busily crafting new ordinances to skirt around the court ruling. Or just ignoring it entirely, as that GRNC link goes on to explain.

I hate them.

[John Florida]

Oh good!  Thanks, Glock.

Eta:  I don't always pay attention to such things (the SOE ban) because I don't pay attention to such things, iow, ofttimes I aim to misbehave.  It's just the way it is.

   Imagine that.

[Pandora]

Oh good!  Thanks, Glock.

Eta:  I don't always pay attention to such things (the SOE ban) because I don't pay attention to such things, iow, ofttimes I aim to misbehave.  It's just the way it is.

   Imagine that.

 

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

The problem is the destroyer does not need to hit 100%, though we MUST defend perfectly 100% of the time. If we only play defense he can swing again and again and again, until we eventually fail to block. And then our liberty is eroded and that eroded line becomes the new point of defense, because the destroyer has not stopped swinging.

[Pandora]

A good offense is the best defense.

[John Florida]

A good offense is the best defense.

  Has anybody seen one of late.

[Pandora]

Yeeeahhhh, NO.

[Glock32]

Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

[Weisshaupt]

Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

Not I. Death First.

[Libertas]

Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

Not I. Death First.

Agreed.  Letting the government decide who deserves and does not deserve life, liberty and ones pursuits does not sit well with me, and I believe we have the Founders solidly in our corner on that score!

[Glock32]

Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

Not I. Death First.

Agreed.  Letting the government who deserves and does not deserve life, liberty and ones pursuits does not sit well with me, and I believe we have the Founders solidly in our corner on that score!

Absolutely we do. It's just disheartening that seemingly so many people are fooled by the illusion of consent, the illusion of representation. I guess by some people's calculation, it would have been wrong for Germans to resist National Socialism because, after all, the Nazis did obtain their seats in the Reichstag by democratic elections, and Hitler did obtain the chancellorship by same.

As Mark Levin points out, the Constitution of the United States was not up for a vote on November 6, 2012. So Obama won by hook and crook...that doesn't give him authority to end run the Constitution and the other branches of government. Sigh. There's just a lot of people, including people who are basically conservative, who don't get it. They have a misplaced fealty to offices and institutions, apparently unaware that those institutions have been infected and repurposed not unlike a virus taking over your own cells.

[charlesoakwood]

Many times when learning of or reflecting upon Germany's descent I asked  how could the good people of Germany
allow this, how could the most literate nation on earth allow this decade long descent into Hell happen. 
As a youth I reflected and asked many questions.  Oh, please God, don't finish this answer.  I know more than I want to now.

[benb61]

Many times when learning of or reflecting upon Germany's descent I asked  how could the good people of Germany
allow this, how could the most literate nation on earth allow this decade long descent into Hell happen. 
As a youth I reflected and asked many questions.  Oh, please God, don't finish this answer.  I know more than I want to now.

I try not to ask questions that I really don't want to learn the answer through experience.  I fear something will do the jeanie trick and teach me a lesson the hard way.  Like I said I "try".  I have learned some things in my life that the average person should never have to learn the way I did.  The phrase "Be careful of what you wish for!" seems to be fickle but if there is a bad way for it to happen it kind of makes the wish not so welcome.  The left is asking for utopia, but don't really know what they are begging for.

[Libertas]

Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

Not I. Death First.

Agreed.  Letting the government decide who deserves and does not deserve life, liberty and ones pursuits does not sit well with me, and I believe we have the Founders solidly in our corner on that score!

Absolutely we do. It's just disheartening that seemingly so many people are fooled by the illusion of consent, the illusion of representation. I guess by some people's calculation, it would have been wrong for Germans to resist National Socialism because, after all, the Nazis did obtain their seats in the Reichstag by democratic elections, and Hitler did obtain the chancellorship by same.

As Mark Levin points out, the Constitution of the United States was not up for a vote on November 6, 2012. So Obama won by hook and crook...that doesn't give him authority to end run the Constitution and the other branches of government. Sigh. There's just a lot of people, including people who are basically conservative, who don't get it. They have a misplaced fealty to offices and institutions, apparently unaware that those institutions have been infected and repurposed not unlike a virus taking over your own cells.

I think they are truly stupid enough to think they can tame the beast, if only they are given enough time to do so, then they can be reformed.  What they fail to comprehend and what the Left continually demonstrates is that the bureaucracy works for their benefit, not ours, and it never will.  Everytime I hear the phrase "reform" I instinctively flinch, because it means something very bad is coming, we'll pay for it up front financially and downstream through loss of liberty.

All this just plays into the hands of the Left and makes it easy for them to manipulate the Obama low-info voter.

The mistake all people make regardless of era is believing any one person or party or institution has all the answers to a soft, easy prosperous life.  IN the end you usually get what you deserve.

They got theirs coming.   

[Dan]

Many times when learning of or reflecting upon Germany's descent I asked  how could the good people of Germany
allow this, how could the most literate nation on earth allow this decade long descent into Hell happen. 
As a youth I reflected and asked many questions.  Oh, please God, don't finish this answer.  I know more than I want to now.

Yes. And God doesn't have to answer. We know where it ends.
If we let it happen.
Get your mind, body and soul prepped for the violence that must come if we are to prevent it.


Sorry for the downer.

[Pandora]

Many times when learning of or reflecting upon Germany's descent I asked  how could the good people of Germany
allow this, how could the most literate nation on earth allow this decade long descent into Hell happen. 
As a youth I reflected and asked many questions.  Oh, please God, don't finish this answer.  I know more than I want to now.

Yes. And God doesn't have to answer. We know where it ends.
If we let it happen.
Get your mind, body and soul prepped for the violence that must come if we are to prevent it.


Sorry for the downer.

It is what it is.  Even ugly truths require speaking; Ann Barnhardt:

"When the truth is ugly, it must STILL be declared. Boldly. Loudly. Persistently. Failure to declare ugly truths is itself an act of dishonesty, a bearing of false witness, and it makes impossible any attempt to push through the superficial ugliness and get to the pure, holy beauty beyond. If you refuse to declare ugly truths, then progress (in the good sense of the word) is halted. Everything stops and the only direction that has any freedom for movement is BACKWARD, away from truth, and thus away from God Himself.

Guys, this dynamic is EVERYWHERE around us today, and it is why civilization is going to implode any day now. No one will declare any ugly truths, and thus we have hit the wall as a civilization."

[Libertas]

Aye.

Plan accordingly.