Topic: Ammo Shortages

[Glock32]

That. is. great.

Stuff like that is one of the few things that gives me some small comfort that the real America is still out there. Wounded and winded, but not out just yet.

[Libertas]

What do you shoot in .45 Colt?  A Taurus Judge?

I have the S&W Governor, 6 shots to Judge's 5, plus with moon clips I can also fire .45acp, both shoot 45LC & .410  2 1/2" shells.

It's fun to shoot, has good balance and easy to sight (front sight is a night sight), single or double-action its a blast.

[Libertas]

And you can actually order the stuff...

That is, it's in stock.

Holy Hog, gotta git some of this!   

[charlesoakwood]

What do you shoot in .45 Colt?  A Taurus Judge?

I have the S&W Governor, 6 shots to Judge's 5, plus with moon clips I can also fire .45acp, both shoot 45LC & .410  2 1/2" shells.

It's fun to shoot, has good balance and easy to sight (front sight is a night sight), single or double-action its a blast.

Trips to win!

[John Florida]

  Got lucky and found another 300 rounds(.40) at Walmart bringing my total to a personal best of 2150 rounds in the house!!

[charlesoakwood]

Read this,
Firearm Stopping Power – Fact, Fiction and Anecdotes

before watching this:
Knock-down Power ??

Shooting 8" swinging plates with different calibers to see the difference in reaction. This is not meant to be very scientific, but it's something subscribers have asked for. Most people know by now that the "knock-down" and "stopping power" talk is often goofy and irrelevant. Here, I'm just showing, for whatever it's worth, how much various common calibers move these plates. I'm shooting from 8 to 10 yards away.
The plates are 8" in diameter and 3/8" thick.
Ammo used is all standard factory ammo

[Alphabet Soup]

  Got lucky and found another 300 rounds(.40) at Walmart bringing my total to a personal best of 2150 rounds in the house!!

Nice!

I know a certain someone who has 5k in .223 stacked up and ready to go. 

[John Florida]

  Got lucky and found another 300 rounds(.40) at Walmart bringing my total to a personal best of 2150 rounds in the house!!

Nice!

I know a certain someone who has 5k in .223 stacked up and ready to go. 

 Nice!!!

[trapeze]

.223 Remington @ $0.60/round in boxes of 20 can be found online here. Best box price I've seen in a while and in stock which is, itself, an unusual thing these days. No case lot quantities yet but we are making progress here.

Case lots can be found but I haven't seen any bargains. For instance, Ammoman.com has case lots of 500 rounds .223 match for a buck a round. I'm not lining up for that.

[charlesoakwood]

Another stopping power tale here.
Cop: why I carry 145 rounds to work, story.

[Libertas]

They didn't say if the perp had any drugs in his system, usually when folks are hard to die it's because they're pumped full of shyt.

Bottom line - he lived, bad guy died.  If he wants to carry more rounds, good for him.  But DO NOT tell citizens they cannot do the same to protect themselves!!!

[Glock32]

It's not the dramatic, sexy answer that people like to hear on the gun forums, but the reality is the common service calibers in handguns demonstrate very similar penetration and expansion results in ballistic gel (with modern hollow points). The positive thing about that is that they are similarly good. Hollow points designed in the past 20 years are much better than the ones that preceded them.

[trapeze]

Hollow points designed in the past 20 years are much better than the ones that preceded them.

Would that include Winchester Black Talons? I always thought those were cool and I still have a mag loaded with them for my .40SW Sigma.

[Glock32]

Yes, that would include Black Talons.  However if you have actual Black Talons with the original packaging from the early 90s, I'd keep them for their collector value.

The bullet itself was basically just renamed Winchester Ranger and given a conventional copper jacket (rather than scary black) after the media's feeding frenzy at the bullsh*t-buffet had effectively demonized the Black Talon. Supposedly those sharp little talons would liquefy the innards of innocent bystanders and explode in the face of ER physicians when they removed them, and that black bullet lube meant they could zip right through 2 feet of hardened steel not to mention bullet proof vests.

IMO superior designs have come out since then.  The Federal HST is pretty much the cat's meow.

[charlesoakwood]

Check out #325 more anicdotal info from several shootings.
Skinny no drug shot 4x w/45 & kept on going.  How dead men still have 30 seconds or more to kill you back.  Then the video, he shoots and you can watch the impact of several calibers on identical targets.
Hollow point tale also.

Very interesting.

another bread crumb: cops average a 24 to 30% hit rate, that's 3 out of 9.

[Libertas]

Check out #325 more anicdotal info from several shootings.
Skinny no drug shot 4x w/45 & kept on going.  How dead men still have 30 seconds or more to kill you back.  Then the video, he shoots and you can watch the impact of several calibers on identical targets.
Hollow point tale also.

Very interesting.

another bread crumb: cops average a 24 to 30% hit rate, that's 3 out of 9.

Yeah, read that.  The lesson I took is, once you've incapacitated your foe sufficiently to where they are moving a lot slower, don't stop shooting at the CPU until a couple rounds score...movement should stop a lot quicker then, right?

As for H45 (damn I like that guys range!) moving metal plates not exactly a solid measuring system...but the winner was obviously the .44, with the .357 & 10mm in second, then .45, .38 & 9mm looked about even.  Again not so much what you shoot than how competent you are in drawing and shooting it.

It would appear to me that in those cop stats adrenaline rush leads to a lot of rapid panic fire with bullets flying all over the place and few hitting the perp.  Easier to say than do, but steady & calm beats fast & furious, usually.

[trapeze]

Yes, that would include Black Talons.  However if you have actual Black Talons with the original packaging from the early 90s, I'd keep them for their collector value.

Yeah, I actually do have it all. One package, anyway. Perhaps I should retire them from the mags.

[charlesoakwood]

"It would appear to me that in those cop stats adrenaline rush leads to a lot of rapid panic fire with bullets flying all over the place and few hitting the perp.  Easier to say than do, but steady & calm beats fast & furious, usually."

The best statistical argument put forth for a high capacity magazine.

[Libertas]

"It would appear to me that in those cop stats adrenaline rush leads to a lot of rapid panic fire with bullets flying all over the place and few hitting the perp.  Easier to say than do, but steady & calm beats fast & furious, usually."

The best statistical argument put forth for a high capacity magazine.

Only if you're in goverment though...citizens have no such right.  So the tyrants say.

[Glock32]

Yes, that would include Black Talons.  However if you have actual Black Talons with the original packaging from the early 90s, I'd keep them for their collector value.

Yeah, I actually do have it all. One package, anyway. Perhaps I should retire them from the mags.

If you want to retire your vintage Talons and replace them with the modern equivalent, look at the Winchester Ranger Talon or the Winchester PDX1.  More or less the same bullet, including the distinctive talons on an expanded bullet.