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Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« on: July 01, 2013, 10:57:17 AM »
...which is most definitely a new experience for the USA. Sure, we have supported dictators and thugocracies before but they were at least stable and seemed for the most part to benefit our own national interests.

But with Egypt we have turned a new corner in our own history by supporting a thugocracy which is completely at odds with our own national interests. And now we get to own the results. HRC shares the blame for this situation.

And yes, we have always been hated by just about everyone in the middle east but now it's with good reason.

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An Egyptian opposition group accused the US of "being partner to a conspiracy to keep President Mohamed Morsi in power."

Obama addressed the situation in Egypt on Saturday explaining "The United States supported democracy in Egypt. It’s been challenging given there has not been a tradition of democracy in Egypt." he said. "Our most immediate concerns have to do with our embassies and consulates."

In June, the Secretary of State John Kerry quietly gave $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt. The money was given a month after a memo admitted "we are not satisfied with the extent of Egypt's progress and are pressing for a more inclusive democratic process and the strengthening of key democratic institutions."

The opposition is furious. "America and the Brotherhood have united to bring down the Egyptian people," said Hassan Shahin, a member of the Tamarod, or "rebel," movement.

Smartpower.

The Egyptian army is getting ready to take over and, given the current state of affairs, that's probably a good thing.

I'm guessing that the MFM will not be showing any of the protest banners that declare President Zero as a supporter of terrorism.
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2013, 11:02:01 AM »
But-but-but... Arab Spring?



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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2013, 11:03:31 AM »
I do wonder what would be the thing or things that would push millions of US citizens to march on DC.
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2013, 11:06:23 AM »
And you know that this protest is a big deal because a bunch of the happy democracy advocates got together and gang raped a female reporter. That is the gold standard for pro-democracy protests in Egypt, you know. It's sort of like when an US east or west coast pro sports team wins a national title and the fans set cars on fire. Except it's rape. People just can't help themselves, you know...get caught up in the whole freedom and democracy thing and the next thing you know you're gang raping a Dutch journalist 'cause democracy or something.
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2013, 11:29:34 AM »
I do wonder what would be the thing or things that would push millions of US citizens to march on DC.

Maybe cancelling "Dancing with the stars"...but then there would just be millions of unarmed witless clowns roaming around lashing out at anybody...
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2013, 11:31:33 AM »
I do wonder what would be the thing or things that would push millions of US citizens to march on DC.

Maybe cancelling "Dancing with the stars"...but then there would just be millions of unarmed witless clowns roaming around lashing out at anybody drooling and mumbling...

FIFY
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2013, 11:32:07 AM »
And you know that this protest is a big deal because a bunch of the happy democracy advocates got together and gang raped a female reporter. That is the gold standard for pro-democracy protests in Egypt, you know. It's sort of like when an US east or west coast pro sports team wins a national title and the fans set cars on fire. Except it's rape. People just can't help themselves, you know...get caught up in the whole freedom and democracy thing and the next thing you know you're gang raping a Dutch journalist 'cause democracy or something.

That's just how Muzzies roll...you just don't appreciate the Middle Eastern Islamic mind or what constitutes a good time...not very understanding and tolerant, are you?

Yeah, me neither.
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2013, 11:32:28 AM »
I do wonder what would be the thing or things that would push millions of US citizens to march on DC.

Maybe cancelling "Dancing with the stars"...but then there would just be millions of unarmed witless clowns roaming around lashing out at anybody drooling and mumbling...

FIFY

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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2013, 11:35:55 AM »

Yesterday report stated the Egyptian military estimated there were 17,000,000 protesters in the streets of Egypt, the largest protest in the history
of the world.  I turned the tube on to Fox to see the reportage, they were doing
a Benghazi special, CNN was doing a gun special.  Move along.

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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2013, 02:46:15 PM »
Looks like the Morsi government rats are abandoning ship.

This Islamofascist regime in Egypt is UNMISTAKABLY supported by the O'Chimpy regime, and it is falling apart months after it seized power.

What does the Chimp do now? If consistency is even remotely on the radar, he should make a lofty speech, and then send weapons and maybe troops. Problem is, who does he send the weapons and troops to? He's already been supplying the Muslim Brotherhood and the Morsi regime. Does he just switch sides, and start supplying those in Egypt who want to rid themselves of the Islamofascists?

If Obama had ANY hope of keeping secret the fact that his true goal is to support Islamic hegemony in the Middle East, the success of the Egyptian people in toppling the Morsi regime will strain that hope. He's already aided Islamofascist coups in Libya, Egypt, and is in the process of doing so in Syria. Now Egypt is going the other way.

What will the Chimp n' Chief do?
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013, 02:59:09 PM »
What will the Chimp n' Chief do?

Default strategy: Go golfing.
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2013, 01:36:27 AM »
As you know if you have followed this story today (yesterday, whatever) the military has already picked the winner and it's not Morsi. They gave him an ultimatum and he has now given his answer which is "no."  He had 48 hours to resign and now that he has given his answer I have to wonder if the Egyptian military will wait until the 48 hours is up or just go and end this thing now. Either way Morsi has to go and he says he won't so it should be interesting.

I guess President Zero can phone in some tips for what to do or something. I'm guessing that the chimp will recommend throwing a big star studded party. Or maybe shoot some hoops.
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2013, 04:36:55 AM »
What will the Chimp n' Chief do?

Default strategy: Go golfing.

You left out the vacation alternative.
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2013, 07:01:45 AM »
What will the Chimp n' Chief do?

Default strategy: Go golfing.

You left out the vacation alternative.

Parachute him into Tahrir Square?

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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2013, 09:28:05 AM »
What will the Chimp n' Chief do?

Default strategy: Go golfing.

You left out the vacation alternative.

Parachute him into Tahrir Square?

 ::whoohoo::

Chimpy phones it in. His solution? Hold some talks plus ease up on some of that rape stuff.
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2013, 11:26:05 AM »
What will the Chimp n' Chief do?

Default strategy: Go golfing.

You left out the vacation alternative.

Parachute him into Tahrir Square?

 ::whoohoo::

Chimpy phones it in. His solution? Hold some talks plus ease up on some of that rape stuff.

What a useless sack-o-scat.

Talk?
Doesn't support any one group?
All forms of violence unacceptable?

Useless
Bullshyting
Liar!

Has he condemned the beheadings in Syria by his &^%$ing allies?  Hmmm?!?!?!

Obama deserves to suffer the religious orgy of a Musloid mele!
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2013, 08:12:00 PM »

Now that the Egyptian Military has put Morsi in jail, installed an interim president, is rounding up and jailing members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and shutting down 3? media outlets including Al Jizzera President Obama must be golfing up a storm.  Fore!!



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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2013, 09:21:09 PM »

Now that the Egyptian Military has put Morsi in jail, installed an interim president, is rounding up and jailing members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and shutting down 3? media outlets including Al Jizzera President Obama must be golfing up a storm.  Fore!!




That would be the smart thing to do after pretty much having his (and HRC's) entire Egyptian foreign policy explode in his face.

But instead he said this:

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Barack Obama said that he was troubled by Morsi's removal, and warned that US authorities were reviewing aid to Egyptian military – but he stopped short of calling the army's intervention a coup. He also condemned the arrest of Morsi and members of the Muslim Brotherhood which was also not a coup.

The US president had invested political capital in establishing Morsi's democratic credentials, while maintaining ties to the Egyptian military, which had been the main beneficiary of $1.3bn (£850m) in US aid.

However, Egyptian military leaders (who did not conduct a coup) also hold leverage over the US, primarily by maintaining a peace treaty with Israel as well as keeping the Suez Canal open and patrolling the strategically sensitive Sinai Peninsula.

Obama said: "We are deeply concerned by the decision of the Egyptian armed forces to remove President Morsi and suspend the Egyptian constitution even though we profusely maintain that this was not a coup or anything even vaguely like a coup. I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsi and his supporters that might be construed as a coup, even though it isn't."
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Re: Fundamental Change: Being On The Wrong Side Of History...
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Now that the Egyptian Military has put Morsi in jail, installed an interim president, is rounding up and jailing members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and shutting down 3? media outlets including Al Jizzera President Obama must be golfing up a storm.  Fore!!




That would be the smart thing to do after pretty much having his (and HRC's) entire Egyptian foreign policy explode in his face.

But instead he said this:

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Barack Obama said that he was troubled by Morsi's removal, and warned that US authorities were reviewing aid to Egyptian military – but he stopped short of calling the army's intervention a coup. He also condemned the arrest of Morsi and members of the Muslim Brotherhood which was also not a coup.

The US president had invested political capital in establishing Morsi's democratic credentials, while maintaining ties to the Egyptian military, which had been the main beneficiary of $1.3bn (£850m) in US aid.

However, Egyptian military leaders (who did not conduct a coup) also hold leverage over the US, primarily by maintaining a peace treaty with Israel as well as keeping the Suez Canal open and patrolling the strategically sensitive Sinai Peninsula.

Obama said: "We are deeply concerned by the decision of the Egyptian armed forces to remove President Morsi and suspend the Egyptian constitution even though we profusely maintain that this was not a coup or anything even vaguely like a coup. I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsi and his supporters that might be construed as a coup, even though it isn't."

Is it now possible for any conscious person to not know that our
president is an Islamist and supports the Muslim Brotherhood and Sharia?