Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

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Japan made Kiev a 'loan' based on seized Russian assets as collateral.
https://voxday.net/2024/07/17/sayonara-kurils/
Sayonara, Kurils

Japan has made the mistake of further submitting to Clown World, thereby ensuring they will never get the Northern Territories back from Russia.

Tokyo will shoulder 520 billion yen ($3.3 billion) in loans to Kiev funded by proceeds from Russian assets blocked as part of Western sanctions, the Kyodo news agency reported on Wednesday citing diplomatic sources. The figure represents some 6% of the massive loan agreed by the Group of Seven natons during their summit in Italy in June. G7 leaders reached an agreement on using interest from frozen Russian funds to finance a $50 billion loan to help Kiev buy weapons and rebuild damaged infrastructure.

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There was an old Breton drinking song The Song of the Cider. Later the same melody was put to different words by Dutch and German modern bands but with different words. That caught on in different languages.

Then Ukrainians got it in their heads that this was a German WWII marching song. Not exactly. There are some good such songs but not this one. check out Erika sometime.


https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1814009514129068462
What is the deal with a lot Ukrainian comments on a German song called "Was Wollen Wir Trinken"?
Where I come from, the Netherlands, it's mostly popular from the version of Rapalje "Wat Zullen We Drinken" as they put it in their repertoire in 1998 and it's still one their most famous songs.
But before then a more mainstream band The Bots played it on television in the folk-loving 70ies as "Zeven dagen lang" in 1976.
More worldwide the version "All For One" from Blackmore’s Night (that band with the guitarist from Deep Purple) published their take in 2003.

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current Ukr billboard ad promoting a WWII SS division.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1813931127847153694
SS Galicia parade in Lviv 81 years ago!

In July 18, 1943 a parade of volunteers of the SS Galicia division took place in Lviv before being sent further for training.

Today in Lviv advertisements for SS Galicia appeared again.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1813902464812486708
🇺🇦 Lviv: Locals are encouraged to follow the nazi division “SS Galicia” and join the ranks of modern militants.

SS Galicia were literally nazis who pledged allegiance to Hitler.

[Libertas]

Who cares?  Lenin's revolution cost 9 million lives.  Nobody care about that either.  Stalin had 800k gulag prisoners shot (many of the prisoners being kulaks), collectivization killed over 14 million, hard to quantify the Great Purge but it is widely accepted he killed 81 high-ranking party members, as the Huns approached Stalingrad he issued Order No.227 that required panic-makers and cowards to be liquidated on sight, sundry WWII atrocities like the Przyszowice massacre, the Treuenbrietzen massacres, several massacres in Romania, lots of atrocities in Eastern Poland as the Russians entered not just the infamous Katyn Massacre...and the Red Army was involved in hundreds of hundreds of rapes and other brutalities.

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Even given all of the above, it is 2024 and a recruiting poster featuring the SS has a bad look to it.
Especially when we are trying to deny they are NAZIs.

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https://t.me/myLordBebo/38237
Due to electricity shortage, Ukraine plans to request assistance from Romania, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary within 24 hours, the country’s Ministry of Energy reports.

?? But Ukraine just stopped oil transfer at to Slovakia and Hungary, they have great foresight.

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I lost the  link. Kiev has been refusing embassy service to Ukr citizens abroad who refuse to return to Ukr and possibly enlist or get conscripted. This includes renewing passports and wo a passport such people are screwed.

So ... Putin just announced that Russia would grant Russian passports to any Ukr citizen who asked. They can use those  for any reason such as get visas to other countries not just move to Russia. IMO brilliant move even for Ukr citizens who dislike Russia.

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I had this one with this one guy, He was very circumspect but hinted at issues I have heard before. personal familiial issues against the Russians  as ancestors were pro NAZI or had land taken by commies in Russia in the civil war. Lots of US neocons had Jewish ancestors in Russia.
This channel Dialogue Works has good guests on but sometimes long.

Here he mentions the anti Russian views
Ursula von der Leyen's GF was admin Ukr for NAZIs i WWII.
In Canada Christina Frieland's GF was for NAZIs in WWII in Ukr.
Victoria Nuland has a creepy background.

Lots of the  neocons were Khazars as I recall.
I did not spell checking or research on this post.
Col. Jacques Baud: Ukrainian Army Collapsing, NATO in Panic - Israel vs. Hezbollah



https://youtu.be/sEiGozW0Hvg?t=2502
Col. Jacques Baud: Ukrainian Army Collapsing, NATO in Panic - Israel vs. Hezbollah

[Libertas]

Don't care about any of that.  When Trump is sworn in the whole sh*tshow will be shut down...

If Z wants to survive as a person in a post-war Ukraine he better start realizing the reality coming...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kiev-mayor-klitschko-speculated-zelensky-might-agree-territorial-compromises-russia

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I find the history of US neocons interesting but not enough to dig into. They are often called Trotskyists.

From imperfect memory, the Khazars were a group regarded as so evil the king gave them the option of converting to one of the 3 major religions or leaving his kingdom. They chose Judaism but were never trusted as real converts by anyone. They are a major part of the US neocon leading families.

This whole land concession things was so un-needed. The Russians wanted Ukr to agree not to join any military alliance i.e. NATO. Also  stop killing Russian speakers and give them the same rights as primarily Ukrainian speakers. Allow use of Russian in schools per parental choice. Grant some autonomy such as electing own governors and mayors rather than being appointed from Kiev.

The minority language issue is required by EU for members BTW. Instead, Kiev wanted war but was willing to settle in Apr 2022 after RU invaded. US and UK wanted war.

The more I looked into Ukr the dumber the reasons for the war became. The people in Ujr east wanted to status quo as of 10 - 20 years previous plus some autonomy but less  than US states. Think of Quebec. Ottawa did not go to war over such stupid stuff.  Russia assumed these desires would be met and refused to agree on any separation until 2022.

The Ukr nationalist faction got the bad parts of NAZI ideology but none of the good Germanic parts.

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This is a strange war. The Kiev faction has mostly outlawed the use of the Russian language, even though 20-30 years ago it was almost the only language used in public and govt in Kiev, is the native language of the Ukr govt ruling elite and professional class, and was not even a standardized language. In areas under Kiev control the govt seized Russian language books from schools and replaced them with Ukr language books even though many or most teachers did not know the language well if at all, depending on the region.

Now another video clip where the Kiev faction soldiers speak some Ukr but revert to their native Russian when under stress.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/11094
In this episode of "Ukraine of the brain," this confused Russian, excuse me, Ukrainian did his best to speak Ukrainian, although, with a thick Russian accent, but, as soon as you-know-what was about to hit the fan(s of a drone), he instantly switched to his native Russian.

[Libertas]

Stupid is as stupid keeps doing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-finds-another-2-billion-ukraine-aid-accounting-errors

Proxy war for the sake of a proxy war, no strategic goal that makes sense, no exit strategy...just corruption, waste, fraud, failure and embarrassment and humiliation while we deplete our own ability to defend ourselves from real threats like China, North Korea and Iran.

   stupid!!!

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Man there is a lot of weirdness in this Ukr war. The Ukr govt and the US govt created a new sect of the orthodox church in 2019 then at least after 2022 started seizing churches, arresting priests, and installing their own priests in areas under their control. I have no idea what their training is. I saw one on video and he did not know how to cross himself. He kept running his hand up and down his mid-line.

I did not find the whole speech of this priest. He was right about the commies. In this section he did not mention Hitler by name but said something about the German state being under the leadership of one man. He mentioned Germans, Vikings,... Siegfried, Barbarossa, Wagner, Goethe, Kant, Nietzsche. I was even raised Lutheran but must have missed that sermon.



https://t.me/putingers_cat_chat/346136
In Ukraine, a "priest" of the schismatic OCU tells parishioners that H!tler was building a proper Christian state with proper sacred values.

Note: The OCU is a Creation of the US State Department. It has nothing to do with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

[Libertas]

Big shock...

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/zelensky-suspends-ukraines-foreign-debt-payments-starting-aug-1st

Should help improve relations with Europe...

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-hungarian-dispute-getting-nastier-after-sikorski-lied-about-szijjarto

IMO Polish politicians have been corrupted by the inflow of American weapons staging and the attendant waste and even legitimate economic boon the presence brings and they look petty attacking Hungary which an objective person can deduce is trying to chart a centrist course in a continent gone mad.  I base this largely on their brilliant quip to Poland about a "return to Central Europe".

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https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1818747826953724201
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??🇺🇦🇷🇴The Romanian Ministry of Defense has prepared a report on the results of training Ukrainian pilots on F-16 fighters:

- out of 50 cadets, only 3 are ready for independent flights;

- careless attitude towards studies and reluctance to learn English;

- decline in athletic performance due to weight gain and alcohol consumption;

- the training was considered successful (of course it was. It was super successful😁.)

Readers added context they thought people might want to know
No such report is found on the official MApN website, the formatting is wrong, grammatical errors ( non-native RO speaker  ), such info isn't published as a matter of state policy. Fake.

Alex had fun with this. The pilots will be sent to certain death if they pass.
English training?  "Nyet. No comprendo senor."
https://youtu.be/hOzLXxTQ2NQ?t=444

[Libertas]

Propaganda or head-fake or something else...

Whatever...

Marking time till Trump gets in and ends this BS...

Unless The Kenyan uses the FJB husk to trigger WWIII...

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I am not sure about the numbers or calling it "resistance."  IMO you have conscription in very pro Russian areas of Ukr in order to prevent the eastern Ukr regions from joining Russia. This could have been settled years ago just by allowing the locals there to continue to use Russian as they had for hundreds of years. It will be interesting to see how the trends continue.

100 vehicles burned?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FAxse1Bid7U?feature=share

[Libertas]

Meh.  We'll see what happens with regime change in America, I'm guessing an end to this BS and people there can figure it out one way or another...

https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1808914337643303268

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A whole string of mostly civilian testimonies. Not much reported i;n the west and a major reason why western MSM are not allowed by the west in Ukr areas not controlled by Kiev. The Kiev forces hated the local civilians and killed them or shelled them when they felt like it. I used to see such testimony from the Kiev faction troops saying how they wanted to drive "ethnic Russians" from the land.

https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/579

[Libertas]

RDM vs Rybar...

 

I'll take Rybar for $500, Alex.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-sneak-attack-against-russias-kursk-region-might-be-its-last-hurrah

But, whatever.  Doubt this is the "last hurrah" for anybody!