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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2400 on: August 09, 2024, 12:20:56 AM »


https://voxday.net/2024/08/08/ukraines-battle-of-the-bulge/
Ukraine’s Battle of the Bulge

That’s what this desperate counteroffensive looks like to me, albeit in miniature:


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    Zelensky decided to launch what some Russian commentators are calling the single largest land assault into Russian territory of the entire SMO thus far. What stood it apart from the previous mid-level raids on Belgorod region and such, is that this time it wasn’t the ‘Russian Legion’ paramilitary group—made up of disgruntled traitor Russians—but rather the full force of the AFU itself, by way of the 22nd Mechanized Bridge, from what I’ve seen so far. Details are still coming in, but it’s said to have been around 3 battalions or 1 brigade in size, though some report several hundred troops for now.

    The attack was decently well-coordinated and utilized the full breadth of combined arms warfare, with Ukrainian forces leading with a mass FPV drone attack, and pulling up mobile air defenses to cover the advancement.

This isn’t going to change anything on a strategic level. The historical Ardennes Offensive utilized nearly 400,000 German troops divided into 16 infantry divisions, 8 armored divisions, and 2 armored brigades and it accomplished virtually nothing except to delay the Allies a month or two.

One single mechanized brigade will not even do that. This is a PR attack conceived to give Clown World an excuse to keep laundering money in Ukraine. See, Ukraine isn’t defeated yet! Why, they’re taking the war to Russia! If we just send them another few hundred billion, they’ll take Moscow and capture Vladimir Putin!

What a stupid waste. The problem is that Russia can’t defeat Clown World by killing Ukrainian soldiers, because Clown World doesn’t actually care about Ukrainians.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2401 on: August 12, 2024, 02:27:29 PM »


Kiev attacked part of a nuke plant under Russian control and blamed the Russians.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-81124-desperate-for-escalation
SITREP 8/11/24: Desperate for Escalation, Zelensky Bombs Zaporozhye Nuke Plant in Frustration
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Aug 12, 2024

Today Zelensky’s forces appeared to bomb the Zaporozhye nuclear plant:
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But what’s happening now is in effect a double nuclear blackmail. Not only was Zelensky trying to reach the Kursk nuclear plant for this very purpose, but has now acted out his furious frustration at the ZNPP, as well. It’s difficult to know for certain, but captured AFU POWs have in fact now attested to the Kursk plant as being the objective, or Kurchatov, the town where the plant sits. This was supposed to have been reached in the first day or two, which now appears to have been a miserable failure being covered up by more antics.

But getting back to the second point. I believe the ZNPP strike was also a double threat toward Russia. ZNPP may be currently inactive, but Kursk is in operation, and Zelensky likely meant to send a symbolic message that the Kursk nuclear plant may be “next”. In essence, it is saying: “Be wary, the Kursk plant is in my sights. This is just the first demonstration of my seriousness.”
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2402 on: August 12, 2024, 04:25:29 PM »
Zelensky blames Russia and Russia (Putin) blames the Ukes.  In this particular instance,  I believe Putin.
The nuclear plant was built in Ukraine by Russia when Ukraine was part of the old Soviet Union and was still being run by Russia.
With his recent invasion onto Russian soil and this false flag attack on the plant,  it appears Zelensky is trying to shore up waning support from the West,  probably at the direction of some western leaders (U.S.?  EU? NATO? All of the above?).
Putin said that the possibility of peace talks is now off the table,  so it worked... I reckon...sorta. ::gaah:: 

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2403 on: August 13, 2024, 08:02:06 AM »
Perhaps I am afflicted by my long years of suffering Putin Cultists at ZeroHedge...those mouth-breathing drones can slobber over Putin being the master of 3D geopolitical chess one second and apologetic the next...

Seriously, I never understood the mindset that attaches to another personality so strongly that it can only be likened to worshipping a deity...

Putin has it made...when things go good he's a confirmed genius once again...things don't go well or appear "off" and excuses fly...

I don't buy any of it, he is just as easily manipulated as anybody else...

NATO says tactical nukes are on the table, Putin says tactical nukes are on the table...I see nothing that tells me peace is seriously on anybody's table!

Everybody wants blood...and they'll get it.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2404 on: August 14, 2024, 02:07:01 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/whats-behind-belarus-military-buildup-along-ukrainian-border

I heard chatter Belarus already made an incursion into Ukraine...

But, whatever...everybody will be killing everyone sooner or later, so who GAFF?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2406 on: August 16, 2024, 12:22:57 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-lying-about-non-involvement-kursk-attack-kremlin

No!

 ::ohno::

Yeah...so?  Y'all play patty-cake with the Mahdi Death Cultists targeting the US and Israel, make deals for arms from them and North Korea...are a loyal vassal of Communist China...

Tell us something we perhaps don't know?

Too bad there are no statesmen anywhere in the world who could see all this and broker a deal to end all the sh*t?

Oh well...one can only conclude all want blood.

Fine, have it your way...just zip the lip and end the finger-pointing!  Every time y'all point fingers 3 are pointing back at y'all!   ::mooning::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2407 on: August 16, 2024, 01:09:44 PM »

I had some ex military types on. They said US has lots of satellites etc and can see where the Russian defenses are weak then sends in the  Ukr troops as happened here. In their opinions, this was closely directed by the US.

If you look at a large map this Ukr invasion does little except generate PR for the Ukr forces so as to continue sending them western aid.  In the big picture Ukr forces get killed and RU forces are hurt some but Ukr still loses.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2408 on: August 16, 2024, 03:43:20 PM »


Someone brought up history. In WWII Germans invaded RU with 3.8 M troops and 3K tanks. What does Ukr plan to do with far less, no air cover, and poor supply lines? They want to milk the west for more money.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2409 on: August 19, 2024, 09:14:48 AM »
OK, this comment is pretty good if you have a sense of humor...

"It is now our primary task in defensive operations overall: to destroy as much Russian war potential as possible and conduct maximum counteroffensive actions. This includes creating a buffer zone on the aggressor’s territory," he said in his evening address.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-destroys-3rd-bridge-russias-kursk-zelensky-stresses-hell-keep-territory

Clever.

Of course it's mostly for PR and funding...and morale.  But that quip about a "buffer" is funny!
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2410 on: August 19, 2024, 01:32:10 PM »
I watched a video in background. Too long to watch. I forget exactly where they are from. He is from Russia, she is from Ukraine. Both USSR.  They are married. According to them, this Russia vs Ukraine thing was not a big thing until after the USSR fell. Travel back and forth was like inside the US. No documents.  They speak and understand both languages but each is a better speaker of their native language. They describe what life was like before. Speaking one language and being answered in the other language was very common in stores.

They say anti Russian jabs from in laws did not start until after USSR fell. The man says it had to come from somewhere and asks where. I think they mention the Ukr diaspora returning to Ukr after USSR.

https://youtu.be/h2y_4oaJaKs

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I recall some professor who taught in Lvov for years. He was a Turk, born in Germany, speaks German, English, Ukrainian and Russian.
What he said matched what the couple said above. He said things started getting nasty against Russians  starting around 2005, not before.

IMO people are opportunistic especially for their kids. Ukrainian was mostly in the western part of Ukr and most rural and agrarian. Russian was urban and more in the industrialized east. People outside Russian fed are exchanging Russian for English as an international language.

I recall that the language of the Russian imperial court was French as Russian was a hick language.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2411 on: August 20, 2024, 04:47:45 PM »


I will try to find the X link for this.
https://t.me/beboandfriends/98873
— Europe wants to keep the refugees.

Zelensky wants to bring back the refugees, but much of Central and Eastern Europe is suffering from labor shortages, and countries like Poland and the Czech Republic are reluctant to lose people.

At the start of the conflict, 17 million Ukrainians – more than a third of the pre-war population – fled their homes. More than 6 million remain refugees abroad, including about 1.3 million who had left for Russia as of the end of last year. Ukraine’s central bank predicts another 400,000 will leave the country this year. Zelensky is trying to persuade allies to help bring more military-age men back to Ukraine.

Politicians from Poland to Hungary have said they will not send refugees back as long as the military conflict continues. But there is a key economic reason to keep them. Thus, in the Czech Republic, Ukrainian refugees paid almost twice as much in taxes as they received in benefits. The construction industry, for example, would have completely stopped without Ukrainian workers.

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Zena, [8/20/2024 5:07 AM]
Ukrainian women are boosting the birth rates.

igor c, [8/20/2024 7:10 AM]
OMG
Who could predict that?

Swik, [8/20/2024 10:28 AM]
Millions of poles went west after 2004, so yes they will want to keep the new people to bolster their workforce

Perun, [8/20/2024 2:13 PM]
It's BS we don't want them here at most. Who wants them here are businessmen. Our cities are overflood, nor our waste management nor traffic and parking, nor are houses built for this pressure. Also criminality rises and cities centers are full of drunk idiots with no future who don't mind getting jailed after they stab your kid.

They deflect out jobs market because they are willing to work for lower salaries.

I guess only us ourselves are responsible for the mess in our countries. We pray for the god to take them all anyway.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2412 on: August 21, 2024, 09:33:17 AM »
People want to work and be productive and not have their lives thrown away in a quagmire, who knew?

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In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-adopts-bill-banning-orthodox-church-spiritual-ties-moscow

Meh, don't care.  Others have done far worse, heck the great Liberal Hero FDR interred Japanese Americans and shut down "subversive" organizations and publications.

New modest base in Lithuania -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lithuania-constructs-new-base-house-german-soldiers-deter-russia

4800 troops, 100 tanks.  Pretty modest.

And shame on this Kyle Anzalone for writing this and throwing the "Nazi" crap around like he can influence opinion with that label or stupidly think he can influence policy-makers by shaming  or something...

But then I made note of this at the Libertarian Institute...

Kyle Anzalone is news editor of the Libertarian Institute, opinion editor of Antiwar.com and co-host of Conflicts of Interest with Will Porter and Connor Freeman.

Yeah, OK...shame on Libertarian Institute for having a CodePink pansy as a news editor!  Don't like Nazi's?  Don't like warmongers?  Are you familiar with the Biden-Harris regime?  The shadow fascist in chief Obama?  The new puppet Heels-Up Harris?  How about focusing on the threat at home, jackass!

This, I just find hilarious -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-summons-us-envoy-over-presence-american-mercenaries-cnn-crew-kursk-region

Oh my, a "summons" and stern "protests".

 ::ohno::

 ::hysterical::

Come on, Vlad...

You invaded Ukraine and pretty sure your Wagner Group fascist mercs participated because there were several official acknowledgements shared about it through your state media organs.  So, big whup.  And they, like any stupid Westerner mercs in-country, are fair game, yes?  Jeesh, stop pouting!  And, as for Jurno's...well, they CommieNewsNitwits...I'd like to say I don't GAFF what you do with them if you encounter them...but knowing the same idiots pulling the strings are still oppressing us here back in the States would do the same crap they've been doing, I hope ya don't snatch them and use them as capital in another trade where we give up high value scum to you for useless dreck like them...that is my hope any way...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2413 on: August 21, 2024, 01:29:15 PM »
Drones on Kyiv beget drones on Moscow et al...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/world-war-iii-watch-ukraine-launches-massive-kamikaze/

...bit those Moscow clips, drones sound prop-driven not jet, so they seem to be easily shot down...yet in other areas like Rostov Oblast, a fuel depot in Proletarsk got hit, so the ability to shoot down is limited...

Anyway, Demonazis steal another election this madness will go on and likely expand into WWIII with chances of radioactive contamination for the next 50,000 years...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2414 on: August 22, 2024, 02:08:28 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-confirms-use-us-provided-himars-inside-russia

A case of winning for Ukes seems real, but how long it can be sustained is another story...

Putin is not going to walk away...

This mess is far from over...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2415 on: August 22, 2024, 02:51:15 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-confirms-use-us-provided-himars-inside-russia

A case of winning for Ukes seems real, but how long it can be sustained is another story...

Putin is not going to walk away...

This mess is far from over...

I recall that Himars are US operated but I could be wrong.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2416 on: August 22, 2024, 03:06:03 PM »
Drones on Kyiv beget drones on Moscow et al...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/world-war-iii-watch-ukraine-launches-massive-kamikaze/

...bit those Moscow clips, drones sound prop-driven not jet, so they seem to be easily shot down...yet in other areas like Rostov Oblast, a fuel depot in Proletarsk got hit, so the ability to shoot down is limited...

Anyway, Demonazis steal another election this madness will go on and likely expand into WWIII with chances of radioactive contamination for the next 50,000 years...

I used to pay more attention to Ukr war details. I noticed that it was never the stated intention of Moscow to kill civilians in the Kiev faction or destroy civilian residential housing. it was the stated intention of the Kiev govt to do this. Also to kill govt people like mayors or politicians or authors. Yes civilians got killed etc in the Kiev controlled parts of Ukr. Moscow is taking out electrical infrastructure in Kiev controlled Ukr.

I saw Angelina Jolie with a kid or two and many western celebrities doing photo ops in Kiev.

Moscow could start striking downtown Kiev.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2417 on: August 23, 2024, 09:36:27 AM »
Well, any civilian deaths are bad...explain the subtleties to the victims families, I am not not targeting civilians is a comfort to them I'm sure...

In other news, a claim of a M1 score - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-military-says-destroyed-us-m1-abrams-tank-kursk

No word on how much damage the tank caused before being taken out...so a real scorecard is not being revealed...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2418 on: August 23, 2024, 11:51:51 AM »
Well, this is nice...Russia has gone from "tactical nukes on the table as a last resort" to "tactical nukes will come in early stages" pretty fast...

“Moscow had rehearsed using tactical nuclear weapons in the early stages of a conflict with a major world power, […] planning for a series of overwhelming strikes across western Europe.”
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Russia’s armed forces practiced in June loading anti-ship cruise missiles, part of an undeclared stockpile of tactical nuclear warheads.

Russians moved the missiles in the containers, accompanied by the appropriate guard force and procedures for handling a nuclear warhead.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/ww3-watch-as-traditional-strategic-nuclear-deterrence-wears/

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2419 on: August 23, 2024, 06:17:03 PM »

Sometimes I can't get over these clowns. They seem to be spending their efforts on some NAZI ideology and/or Russia hatred that goes back a ways.
1915-hang people in Lvov for speaking Russian. Later send them to concentration camp in Austria.
1940s - throw 10K Jews/Poles/Russians per day into ravines.
2020s - rewrite Ukr school books so NAZIs are liberators in 1940s Ukr.

2019 create a new govt based sect of the orthodox church and start going after the old Russian based church.

Back when I read more telegram posts the Kiev faction made it clear they wanted to kill ethnic Russian civilians to clear their sacred land.
Now they are taking church relics.

https://t.me/geopolitics_live/31377
EXPOSED: Ukrainians resort to hawking priceless Orthodox Icons on eBay

A fairly large number of ancient Orthodox icons ended up on eBay, one of the largest international online-trade platforms, Sputnik has discovered. All of them are from various locations from Ukraine, namely Kiev, Kharkov, Chernigov, Cherkassy and the small town of Kobelyaki, in the Poltava region. 
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https://t.me/geopolitics_live/31401
Faith under fire: Eastern Europe’s Orthodox churches persecuted under guise of 'ties to Moscow'
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https://t.me/geopolitics_live/31404





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