Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[Libertas]

She should STFU and stop making RU propaganda for them.
She says RU defeat would not be a bad thing because RU could be broken up into smaller nations.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1792949951481168054

Sure, funny...especially since one could argue based on the facts that Russia is dividing up Ukraine, yes?  And no I don't need Putin's recitation of the Russo-centric view of Russian Slavic Hegemony as a reason, just an acknowledgement of the fact that Ukraine is being redivided...

[Libertas]

Not a POW video. Some guy IDs the 3 soldiers he was dropped off with in a trench  3 days ago after being grabbed. 3 dead. Him still alive.
He IDs them so their names will be known
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1792834414956716307

Again, how do we know this is or is not Rus propaganda?  Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it a fact...

[Libertas]

Other polls say very few Ukr want to return after the the war.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/98272

Only 56% of Ukrainians living in Germany, Poland and the Czech Republic are interested in events and the situation in Ukraine - KIIS survey

According to the study, 34% of Ukrainians directly indicated that they are not at all interested in information about Ukraine, and 11% chose the “difficult to answer” option.

Sociologists have come to the conclusion that Ukrainian refugees are gradually losing contact with Ukraine. The survey also indicates that half of the refugees refuse to return to Ukraine.

@Slavyangrad

Bad link for me.  But, not surprising people do not want to return to a war zone...or wherever not knowing what the map looks like for who is controlling what area and for how long until those who were wronged exact revenge and the cycle fires up again...

[patentlymn]

A real morale buster if true.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/38311
??RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan to publish Ukraine's 'unwanted' POWs list

"I have complete lists of 500 Ukrainian prisoners of war, whom Kiev has been refusing to exchange for four months now. Zelensky has selected 38 people - Azov people and others - and is ready to take only them. Ukraine does not need the rest of the Ukrainian soldiers," Simonyan posted on her Telegram channel.

"The lists include full name and dates of birth. I'll publish it in full this evening. I think it will be interesting for wives, mothers and Ukrainian citizens in general to read it."

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1793277029913174405
🇷🇺🇺🇦 RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan to publish Ukraine's 'unwanted' POWs list

"I have complete lists of 500 Ukrainian prisoners of war, whom Kiev has been refusing to exchange for four months now. Zelensky has selected 38 people - Azov people and others - and is ready to take only them. Ukraine does not need the rest of the Ukrainian soldiers," Simonyan posted on her Telegram channel.

"The lists include full name and dates of birth. I'll publish it in full this evening. I think it will be interesting for wives, mothers and Ukrainian citizens in general to read it."

Could be a real propaganda Op too...I mean what are the Rus asking for?  Seems too one-sided...

I dunno. Here is the list. 500 names.
Early on in the SMO Kiev said they wanted to exchange POWs for the AZOV troops but not others, at least not then.
This was shortly after Mariupol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/1cy80iu/a_huge_list_of_captured_ukrainian_soldiers_that/

[patentlymn]

Long and kinda heavy but good. I hd this on in AM. Paid attention to some.
Heavy hitters. Lots of international relations stuff.
The old world order is dying but the replacement has not yet been born. A dangerous time.
They have detailed timestamps.
Peace in the past could be obtained via peace talks and negotiations.
Now US only understands peace through war.


https://youtu.be/xsJsyY1VgPI?list=TLPQMjQwNTIwMjS69i-veEcMqA
The Dangerous Interregnum - Geoff Roberts, Glenn Diesen & Matthew Blackburn
...
30:36 Difference in strategic empathy
34:24 Discussing lack of strategic empathy in relation to Russia, China, and Iran
36:26 Peace is created by defeating adversaries, which is dangerous.
40:28 Increased strategic empathy due to Gaza crisis
42:25 Conflict didn't start in 2022, began 8 years earlier.
46:08 Understanding and empathizing with different perspectives
...
58:32 Western powers aim to restore unipolarity, while global powers advocate for multipolarity
1:00:26 The interregnum brings chaotic power dynamics and risky behaviors
1:04:18 India shifting towards balancing China, relinquishing non-aligned policy
1:06:16 Comparison of current America with 1970 Nixon era
1:10:14 Maintain balance of power through settlement and offshore balancing
1:12:04 Emphasizing the importance of diplomacy in legitimizing adversaries
...

[patentlymn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1czje0e/ru_pov_somewhere_in_the_donetsk_region_a/
RU POV: Somewhere in the Donetsk region a Ukrainian soldier contacted Russian forces in order to defect. He stole a Ukrainian tank and raised his gun up to identify himself.

[patentlymn]

On telegram I read that Russia hit a Home Depot equivalent in Khkov and killed 200 people inside

A different version showed all the apparent secondary explosions.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1794409541825630208
Looks like Russia hit the warehouse right into something explosive.

You can see two big secondary explosions with about a half second delay.

Since, 3 missiles never are shot to hit in the same spot so close to each other so fast, it gotta be some weaponry. After this explosion, little secondary explosions are also heard for a while.

Let’s see if I find better footage, to confirm that nothing flew in, here it’s not visible.

https://x.com/Wagnersfamily/status/1794392136680693838
You can hear ammo detonating

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1794365945617731824

update
it looks they had a drone filming the MLRS launcher working then followed it back to the shopping center or part of it
Then a missile hit it.

https://youtu.be/SfZpoVp4op4
https://imgur.com/IT2PUsD
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-claims-it-attacked-kyiv-shopping-centre-because-it-was-being-used-to-store-rockets-12572273
https://t.me/intelslava/61034

update
The video of the MLSRS hiding in the building  and getting hit may have been from an earlier incident..

[patentlymn]

Interesting theory. I cannot find the original yet.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1792941276494504159
🇺🇦🇪🇺  What is the plan for Ukraine?

“It is clearly not about saving the lives of Ukrainian men so that they can rebuild the country after this is all over.

It will become empty there and who will they bring in to restore Ukraine?

I’ll say it straight, Ukraine will become the first African country in Europe already in the next 10-15 years, if everything goes as it is going.“

— British journalist Rahim Kassam

[patentlymn]

I heard this before but did not see it in print.
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/9024
The ancestors of the Jews came from Ukrainian Galicia, - a Ukrainian geography textbook.

The ancestors of Jews and other peoples came from Ukrainian Galicia, says a geography textbook for the 8th grade of a Ukrainian school, which Miroslava Berdnik found (https://t.me/Varjag2007/89197).

“The ancient Indian language Sanskrit is close to Ukrainian. Also, the geographical names of western and southern countries and peoples, such as Galatea, Galileans, France (Galia), Galicia in Spain or Portugal (Porto Galia), probably indicate that the ancestors of modern French, Spanish, Portuguese, Jews and Turks could have come to these lands from Ukrainian Galicia.”

The author of the textbook, Petro Maslyak, is a professor at Kiev National University, Doctor of Science, Honored Worker of Education of Ukraine.

[patentlymn]

I recall people in the west saying that Russian fears that Ukr would join NATO were false as Ukr would never jon NATO. I recall just last week NATO's Stoltenberg said Ukr would join NATO as soon as the war is over. He should STFU.

Also
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/99367
“America has been swallowed up by a cold war that it does not have the strength to fight,” they have collected what is being said in the world media.

Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-05-19/us-can-t-pay-other-countries-to-wage-cold-war-ii-against-russia-china) publishes an article by the famous historian Neil Ferguson “Any great power that spends more on interest payments on its debts than on defense will very soon cease to be great,” writes Ferguson. He notes that, unlike the first Cold War and the global war on terrorism, the United States does not want to send its soldiers anywhere, limiting itself to the supply of weapons and money.

And this makes sense. If your debt burden is alarmingly huge and continues to grow, then even if you cut defence spending relative to GDP, you still need a Diet Cold War, just like overweight people need Diet Coke. But the United States has long lost control over government finances. Now the national debt is equal to 99% of GDP... In 30 years it will reach 166%. The problem of our bankrupt treasury is especially obvious in the case of Ukraine. But... who is “getting fat” in the “diet cold war”? Another difficult question for American policymakers. Like Diet Coke, the Cold War can leave a bitter aftertaste.
Ferguson warns.

The Spectator (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/macrons-empire-is-falling-apart/) looks at the collapse of Macron's empire. Overseas territories have turned their backs on Paris, and one of them is on the verge of civil war. Even by Macron's standards, this is a disaster.

That the sun has set on the remnants of the French Empire is obvious to everyone except the French themselves. The indivisible republic falls to pieces
- The Spectator summarizes.

The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/25/business/economy/g7-finance-ministers-close-ranks-as-tensions-with-russia-and-china-fester.html) looks at the G7 finance ministers, who almost agreed on the use of frozen assets of the Central Bank of Russia and promised to unite against Chinese dumping.

The proposals could deepen the rift between the alliance of wealthy Western economies and Russia, China and their allies, exacerbating the fragmentation that worries economists.
- notes the NYT, in vain appealing to the common sense of those who decided to test the limits of their power.

[Libertas]

A real morale buster if true.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/38311
??RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan to publish Ukraine's 'unwanted' POWs list

"I have complete lists of 500 Ukrainian prisoners of war, whom Kiev has been refusing to exchange for four months now. Zelensky has selected 38 people - Azov people and others - and is ready to take only them. Ukraine does not need the rest of the Ukrainian soldiers," Simonyan posted on her Telegram channel.

"The lists include full name and dates of birth. I'll publish it in full this evening. I think it will be interesting for wives, mothers and Ukrainian citizens in general to read it."

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1793277029913174405
🇷🇺🇺🇦 RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan to publish Ukraine's 'unwanted' POWs list

"I have complete lists of 500 Ukrainian prisoners of war, whom Kiev has been refusing to exchange for four months now. Zelensky has selected 38 people - Azov people and others - and is ready to take only them. Ukraine does not need the rest of the Ukrainian soldiers," Simonyan posted on her Telegram channel.

"The lists include full name and dates of birth. I'll publish it in full this evening. I think it will be interesting for wives, mothers and Ukrainian citizens in general to read it."

Could be a real propaganda Op too...I mean what are the Rus asking for?  Seems too one-sided...

I dunno. Here is the list. 500 names.
Early on in the SMO Kiev said they wanted to exchange POWs for the AZOV troops but not others, at least not then.
This was shortly after Mariupol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/1cy80iu/a_huge_list_of_captured_ukrainian_soldiers_that/

So then the Rus said no deal?

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-confirms-france-will-send-military-trainers-its-soil

French trainers?



 

[patentlymn]

A real morale buster if true.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/38311
??RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan to publish Ukraine's 'unwanted' POWs list

"I have complete lists of 500 Ukrainian prisoners of war, whom Kiev has been refusing to exchange for four months now. Zelensky has selected 38 people - Azov people and others - and is ready to take only them. Ukraine does not need the rest of the Ukrainian soldiers," Simonyan posted on her Telegram channel.

"The lists include full name and dates of birth. I'll publish it in full this evening. I think it will be interesting for wives, mothers and Ukrainian citizens in general to read it."

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1793277029913174405
🇷🇺🇺🇦 RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan to publish Ukraine's 'unwanted' POWs list

"I have complete lists of 500 Ukrainian prisoners of war, whom Kiev has been refusing to exchange for four months now. Zelensky has selected 38 people - Azov people and others - and is ready to take only them. Ukraine does not need the rest of the Ukrainian soldiers," Simonyan posted on her Telegram channel.

"The lists include full name and dates of birth. I'll publish it in full this evening. I think it will be interesting for wives, mothers and Ukrainian citizens in general to read it."

Could be a real propaganda Op too...I mean what are the Rus asking for?  Seems too one-sided...

I dunno. Here is the list. 500 names.
Early on in the SMO Kiev said they wanted to exchange POWs for the AZOV troops but not others, at least not then.
This was shortly after Mariupol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/1cy80iu/a_huge_list_of_captured_ukrainian_soldiers_that/

So then the Rus said no deal?

I recall there were then AZOV POWs exchanged. This was early on and fewer POWs on both sides.
I recall the Ukr POW wives were pissed.

[Libertas]

A real morale buster if true.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/38311
??RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan to publish Ukraine's 'unwanted' POWs list

"I have complete lists of 500 Ukrainian prisoners of war, whom Kiev has been refusing to exchange for four months now. Zelensky has selected 38 people - Azov people and others - and is ready to take only them. Ukraine does not need the rest of the Ukrainian soldiers," Simonyan posted on her Telegram channel.

"The lists include full name and dates of birth. I'll publish it in full this evening. I think it will be interesting for wives, mothers and Ukrainian citizens in general to read it."

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1793277029913174405
🇷🇺🇺🇦 RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan to publish Ukraine's 'unwanted' POWs list

"I have complete lists of 500 Ukrainian prisoners of war, whom Kiev has been refusing to exchange for four months now. Zelensky has selected 38 people - Azov people and others - and is ready to take only them. Ukraine does not need the rest of the Ukrainian soldiers," Simonyan posted on her Telegram channel.

"The lists include full name and dates of birth. I'll publish it in full this evening. I think it will be interesting for wives, mothers and Ukrainian citizens in general to read it."

Could be a real propaganda Op too...I mean what are the Rus asking for?  Seems too one-sided...

I dunno. Here is the list. 500 names.
Early on in the SMO Kiev said they wanted to exchange POWs for the AZOV troops but not others, at least not then.
This was shortly after Mariupol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/1cy80iu/a_huge_list_of_captured_ukrainian_soldiers_that/

So then the Rus said no deal?

I recall there were then AZOV POWs exchanged. This was early on and fewer POWs on both sides.
I recall the Ukr POW wives were pissed.

Well, when is war never f**ked up...?

[Libertas]

As for this...the NeoCons have it a little out of order...

China for sure is our number one foreign foe hands down, no question...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polling-reveals-what-americans-regard-greatest-foreign-security-threats

But without diverting from the trajectory of totalitarianism this current lawless regime is engaged in (and abetted by the Cucks and their NeoCons at outfits like Gatestone) everything else impacting this nation will not be properly addressed.  If, this insane trajectory is corrected toward Liberty and away from a perverse mob-rule despotism then the foreign policy threat list would fall along the lines of China, Iran, Islamic terror groups, North Korea, drug cartels and Russia bringing up the rear.

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-targets-radars-are-part-russias-nuclear-warning-system

Well, backing morons often has unintended consequences...

[patentlymn]

I heard that these radars likely had backup plans?

The current BS narrative is that Ukr has one hand tied behind their back as RU attacks from RU bases and Ukr is not allowed to fire back with missiles. RU fires mostly from fields not from bases or cities. Ukr has been shelling and firing rockets into RU civilian residential areas mostly recently into Belgorod.

[Libertas]

Well, it's war...and everybody wants it.

[Libertas]

About that "wanting it"...

Vice-Admiral Sir Clive Johnstone, former Commander of NATO’s Maritime Command, who died on May 16th, 2024 said in a recent interview with IHS Jane’s that the Alliance sees “more activity from Russian submarines than we’ve seen since the days of the Cold War.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2023-04-26/u-s-russian-subs-in-atlantic-more-active-than-weve-seen-them-in-years
Commander says “a lot of what the Russians are doing at the moment we don’t understand, and is obscure.”

Such as submarine «Yury Dolgoruky» that carries up to 16 Bulava-missiles, each holding six to ten nuclear warheads.

The submarine was the first new strategic submarine to join the Russian navy since 1992 when she entered service on January 10th 2013.

The armed Bulava missiles were, however, not loaded to the silos onboard before last summer. Russia has three Borei-class submarines on duty and another three under construction.

For NATO’s Maritime Commander Vice-Admiral Clive Johnstone, Russia’s increased submarine activities raise a big question mark.

“We don’t understand what the strategic and operational objectives are of the Russian State,” he says in the interview with IHS Jane’s, adding: “a lot of what the Russians are doing at the moment we don’t understand, and it is obscure and is shrouded in other activity which makes us nervous, and makes nations nervous.





https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2024/05/russia-has-moved-11-nuclear-submarines-into-the-atlantic-ocean/

That's nice.

So is this...on the heels of the Trump sham trial convictions...

Given the last days of momentum and growing pressure coming from some NATO countries, this was perhaps inevitable: the United States has now greenlighted Ukraine's use of American-supplied weapons against Russian territory in a huge escalation which takes the world a big step closer to WW3 and nuclear-armed confrontation.

Politico is reporting Thursday afternoon, "The Biden administration has quietly given Ukraine permission to strike inside Russia — solely near the area of Kharkiv — using U.S.-provided weapons, two U.S. officials and two other people familiar with the move said Thursday, a major reversal that will help Ukraine to better defend its second-largest city."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dangerous-shift-escalation-biden-allows-ukraine-use-us-weapons-attack-inside-russia

And this Putie gravy guzzler thinks it is up to only the West to avert WWIII?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-expects-nato-and-possibly-poland-particular-escalate-proxy-war-ukraine

Yes, deploying nukes and threatening their use is no big deal.  Moron!  Both are fueling each others continued interest for violence, face the truth you ignorant child!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-nato-weapons-be-hit-any-country-where-russia-may-be-attacked

Yup.  Everything is bullish for more violence.

[patentlymn]

The recent narrative has been that Kiev will attack "bases" used to attack Ukraine.
Kiev has been shelling or using rockets to attack civilian residential areas for over 10 years. I expect that to continue.
I know Kiev has used Himars to attack Donetsk city. Not sure what is used to attack  Belgorod.