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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Glock32 on January 10, 2013, 01:11:46 AM

Title: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 10, 2013, 01:11:46 AM
Language warning.  I don't know if they realize -- or just don't care -- what a sh*tstorm they are about to unleash on themselves by their assault on the 2nd Amendment.

This is boldness on display:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiM-ZPuAhJ0
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 10, 2013, 07:01:46 AM
What did he say that was anything different than the Piers Morgan gaggle of Left-wing gun-grabbing Nazi's when they (ha! ha!) talked about "shooting Alex Jones"?

Oh, one is a protected group by the Left-wing gun-grabbing Nazi's that dominate the Democrat-Media Complex.

That's a distinction many of us are no longer sensitive to, and the Left better be careful what they wish for, they'll fricken get it in their faces!

 ;)

More people need to get pissed and draw lines in the sand, everywhere, and often!!!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 10, 2013, 09:24:50 AM
Bet this patriot gets a visit from the SS. He mentioned the president and killing people in the same video. They've been intimidating people on specious grounds lately. This guy seems like a ripe candidate.

You know, speaking of the SS, how in the hell is it even possible that there is not one brave patriot in the midst of such an organization who cannot see that there is a time for strict adherence to duty, and a time to recognize that there is a larger, more encompassing, overriding duty? Surely there are those among the SS ranks who can see that the duty they've trained for and sworn to is in direct conflict with the love of country that surely spurred some of them to seek the job in the first place.

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 10, 2013, 09:42:49 AM
"This Video has been Removed by the user"....
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: radioman on January 10, 2013, 09:48:28 AM
Boy, they got to him fast!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 10, 2013, 10:29:28 AM
"This Video has been Removed by the user"....


Probably a wise decision. It's still time to keep the powder dry. Announcing what will happen if the government commits an act of war against the citizenry is not good tactics anyway.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 10, 2013, 10:33:55 AM
I'm of two minds on that question. I can see the wisdom in not revealing all your cards, but on the other hand part of the reason we are on this precipice is that we've allowed the statists to do virtually anything they want, including blatant violations of obvious constitutional safeguards. There is also a moral dilemma -- is it not moral to give fair warning that there will be severe consequences if an aggressor does not quickly reevaluate their intentions? I see it as the rattlesnake rattling. The concept is even the very centerpiece of the Gadsden flag.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 10, 2013, 10:39:48 AM
I'm of two minds on that question. I can see the wisdom in not revealing all your cards, but on the other hand part of the reason we are on this precipice is that we've allowed the statists to do virtually anything they want, including blatant violations of obvious constitutional safeguards. There is also a moral dilemma -- is it not moral to give fair warning that there will be severe consequences if an aggressor does not quickly reevaluate their intentions? I see it as the rattlesnake rattling. The concept is even the very centerpiece of the Gadsden flag.

All true, but if the only result is being banned from youtube or being harassed or arrested by federal agents, one must evaluate the balance sheet. It is time for righteous anger and calculated risk, but not for reckless emotional reactionary statements that don't help anyone and possibly only hurt ones self.

ETA: But then again, at some point, those of us who feel the threat as we do must have the ability to look around and understand that we are indeed not alone, and that the risk of acting in some fashion will not be in vain. That takes communication, so idunno.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 10, 2013, 12:21:04 PM
Communication should not be that hard...

"...soothe my heart with a monotonous languor..."

 ;)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 10, 2013, 08:39:32 PM
Wyoming:

H.B. No. 0104            Firearm Protection Act. (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2013/Introduced/HB0104.pdf)

Sponsored by: KROEKER
AN ACT (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2013/Titles/HB0104.htm)  relating to firearms; providing that any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming; providing a penalty; and providing for an effective date.

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AlanS on January 11, 2013, 12:37:39 AM
Wyoming:

H.B. No. 0104            Firearm Protection Act. (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2013/Introduced/HB0104.pdf)

Sponsored by: KROEKER
AN ACT (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2013/Titles/HB0104.htm)  relating to firearms; providing that any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming; providing a penalty; and providing for an effective date.



Damn. If it just didn't get so cold up there....
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 11, 2013, 12:52:18 AM
Cold is a good thing. Cold is the impetus behind innovation and advancement of civilization. When the baby bottle is yanked out of the Free Sh*t Army's mouth, the Northern winter will do what it has done for millennia: drive them out or drive them under.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 11, 2013, 12:55:45 AM
In case anyone missed the video at the initial link, here's another posting of it (NSFW!):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9sMv9mcdc4
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2013, 07:28:03 AM
Cold is a good thing. Cold is the impetus behind innovation and advancement of civilization. When the baby bottle is yanked out of the Free Sh*t Army's mouth, the Northern winter will do what it has done for millennia: drive them out or drive them under.

Yeah.  Besides, WY would just basically be a lateral move for me...   ;D
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on January 11, 2013, 08:25:45 AM
WHY does anyone NEED an ASSAULT RIFLE? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3uLTnzs60#ws)

H/T Rachel Lucas
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 11, 2013, 09:50:08 AM
Here is the Brit saying its stupid to think that our government could become tyannical! (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/11/video-piers-morgan-discovers-ben-shapiro-isnt-alex-jones/)

Yo! Dufus! YOUR HOME GOVERNMENT BECAME TYRANNICAL- which is WHY THE 2nd AMENDMENT IS THERE NOW.

But that  is just stupid to think it could happen. It has already  violated my rights with Obamacare. It has already show it is lawless- obeying some laws, ignoring others.
This guy needs to be the first to swing.

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
That un-American rat-bastard is a repugnant collection of scat primarily because he thinks he's so smart and everybody else not subscribing to his sick-assed world view (which has turned his former homeland into a festering boil of criminality, drunkards and Islamo-lovers) as stupid, racist, bigoted, homophobic, bible-clutching gun-loving backwoods morons...I'd enjoy thrashing that smug statist prick up one side and down the other and then hang what remains as a warning to others that real Amercians don't tolerate this scum!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2013, 11:34:42 AM
Their ban list should be our shopping list!  

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/in-pictures-2013-obama-gun-ban-list-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/in-pictures-2013-obama-gun-ban-list-video/)

Get shopping!

ETA - Sure wish this was still available!

(http://i.imgur.com/iAPSL.jpg)

H/T - iOTW
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=165021 (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=165021)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 11, 2013, 01:27:47 PM

$40.00 deposit on COD.  COD.  They put $40.00 on a fish?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on January 11, 2013, 01:31:48 PM

$40.00 deposit on COD.  COD.  They put $40.00 on a fish?


Yessir!  Have you no idea how much work it is to clean, soak and prepare that COD, man?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 11, 2013, 01:49:01 PM

$40.00 deposit on COD.  COD.  They put $40.00 on a fish?


Yessir!  Have you no idea how much work it is to clean, soak and prepare that COD, man?

No, no I don't, but it appears I may be learning.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 11, 2013, 08:28:54 PM
Can you even imagine how cool it was to be able to purchase your favorite firearm through the mail? How I long for the good old days.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 12, 2013, 11:21:43 AM
Aye.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on January 13, 2013, 05:34:38 PM
Tennessee has suspended the handgun carry permit of a firearms trainer who said he'd "be glad to fire the first shot" in a civil war over gun control. (http://m.upi.com/story/UPI-17681357947318/)

H/T Ann Barnhardt
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 13, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
So be it. The remedies to tyranny will never be "certified" by the tyrants.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 13, 2013, 05:50:05 PM
I'm sure he had to know something like that might happen. Just like Ann Barnhardt knew the IRS would seize her bank accounts and house. The fact that people are starting to willingly risk such consequences is, in my view, a significant turn of events.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on January 13, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
Excerpted from Fran Porretto's post http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/01/of-lead-and-brass-and-other-precious.html (http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/01/of-lead-and-brass-and-other-precious.html) :

"It has begun to seem as if we will soon face the following scenario:

Tomorrow, without warning, a deputy sheriff -- an armed "officer of the law" -- will appear at your door with a clipboard and demand that you surrender your guns to him. He knows accurately how many guns you have, and what types they are. It shouldn't be hard to imagine this, since de facto registration of firearms has been in place for some years now. Why else would you be required to show proof of identity when buying a rifle? (Don't bother to argue that the government "has to" destroy all such lists. I wasn't born yesterday, and if you're reading this column, neither were you.) How will you react?

If you're unwilling to defy that deputy sheriff, you will be disarmed. If he really, truly knows what guns you have, you can't merely say, "Sorry, none today," and expect him to depart in peace. If you plan to resist, it must be with force.

That's right. You'd have to answer your door armed and ready at all times. You'd have to "draw on" an armed "officer of the law," who's likely to have his hand on the butt of his sidearm as he rings your doorbell.

Not good odds, are they?

If you want to head off that scenario, which seems less than likely at the moment but is becoming more likely with every atrocity the Left manages to capitalize on, you'll have to go on offense. You'll have to declare your willingness to resist the politicians who'd send that deputy sheriff to your doorstep -- with force.

James Yeager has the right of it. The political elite must be put on notice that millions of Americans are with him -- and that there's more than enough rope, and more than enough lampposts, to accommodate all of them.

No, you won't have to march on Washington. It's perfectly acceptable to drive, fly, or take Amtrak.

If all this seems a trifle overwrought, perhaps your memory isn't as good as mine.
I can draw the graph.
I remember the Left's "reactions" to the atrocities of the fifty years behind us.
I can see the crescendo in the efforts of the anti-gunners.
I can see the swelling eagerness of the political elite to move against us.

Freedom stands multiply endangered. Not by foreign enemies, this time, but by "our" elected officials and the "journalists" and celebrities who promote their agenda. If it doesn't redden your vision that nearly all such are protected by armed guards at all times -- hey, remember Ted Kennedy and the Uzi his bodyguard carried? -- check your pulse; you may have died and not noticed.

Edmund Burke had some choice words for situations like this.
Inventory your "precious metals." Make ready your means of "spending" them.
The hour for their "investment" is almost upon us.

May God forever guard and guide these United States of America."
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 14, 2013, 07:00:11 AM
"The number one priority for our department is to ensure the public's safety," Tennessee Safety and Homeland Security Commissioner Bill Gibbons said. "Mr. Yeager's comments were irresponsible, dangerous, and deserved our immediate attention."

Hey, Mr. Dipsh*t TN Bureaucrat, you think the O'Bongo Regime taking away CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS (plural!) is Okie Dokie for public safety?  You think this Regime is acting in a way that is not irresponsible, dangerous and deserving of immediate attenttion, asshole?!

This departmental asshole has sided with the enemy of the Constitution and the principles of our Founding, he should be dragged out into the streets by righteously pissed off patriots!  It is the duty of all true patriots to resist tyranny foregin and domestic.

Rubicon?  Hell, we're on the far bank now, time to muster We the Militia.

ETA - Oh, and here is one of our favorite jackass targets spewing anti-American sentiments out of that vile cavern of putrifaction some might call a mouth -

Schumer on Sunday released a letter he sent to major retailers asking for a voluntary moratorium.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/chuck-schumer-asks-retailers-for-moratorium-on-gun-sales/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/chuck-schumer-asks-retailers-for-moratorium-on-gun-sales/)

I call on Chuck U to voluntarilly self-terminate!   ::whoohoo::

So far the response of the American people is a resounding   ::doublebird::  !!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/americans-buy-enough-guns-in-last-two-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/americans-buy-enough-guns-in-last-two-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/)

Can't wait to see Jaanuary's numbers!   ::cool::

I feel like I need to go out and buy something!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on January 14, 2013, 03:22:06 PM
http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/walmart-suspends-ammo-orders-pending-gun-control-decision (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/walmart-suspends-ammo-orders-pending-gun-control-decision)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 14, 2013, 04:00:25 PM
We live in a fascist economy, so this is not surprising. I'm sure they were informed in no uncertain terms they would be subject to this and that if they didn't get on board with the "consensus" for sweeping gun restrictions. It's the creation of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It will give them the opportunity to say "Even business giant WalMart acknowledges this reality", which influences other businesses and contributes to the narrative that big changes are already a done deal.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 14, 2013, 07:33:22 PM
We live in a fascist economy, so this is not surprising. I'm sure they were informed in no uncertain terms they would be subject to this and that if they didn't get on board with the "consensus" for sweeping gun restrictions. It's the creation of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It will give them the opportunity to say "Even business giant WalMart acknowledges this reality", which influences other businesses and contributes to the narrative that big changes are already a done deal.

IIRC, sometime in the past, WM sold a pistol that was used in a robbery/murder?  They were sued for being libel of the sad event. It cost them a lot of money.  That lawsuit caused them to cease selling pistols.

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Septugenarian on January 14, 2013, 07:54:46 PM

$40.00 deposit on COD.  COD.  They put $40.00 on a fish?


Yessir!  Have you no idea how much work it is to clean, soak and prepare that COD, man?

All that and some more work results in L U T E F I S K  . . . . Everyone loves something.   ::gaah::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 15, 2013, 03:56:29 PM
Wyoming:

H.B. No. 0104            Firearm Protection Act. (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2013/Introduced/HB0104.pdf)

Sponsored by: KROEKER
AN ACT (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2013/Titles/HB0104.htm)  relating to firearms; providing that any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming; providing a penalty; and providing for an effective date.



Damn. If it just didn't get so cold up there....

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=10700507 (http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=10700507)
Texas Proposal: JAIL Any Federal Officials Trying to Enforce New Gun Restrictions in the State

Read more: http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=10700507#ixzz2I5FAcnXB (http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=10700507#ixzz2I5FAcnXB)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Righteous rebellion and nullification, MOAR!!!

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on January 16, 2013, 12:25:21 AM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/252130_456169284438562_50331880_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 16, 2013, 11:33:44 AM
We can add the twisted sisiters to that poster...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2013/01/president-obama-and-biden_0.jpg)

 ::cussing::  tyrants!

 ::asskicking::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on January 17, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x70Obr7UzDQ/UPbzhdKSZsI/AAAAAAAAAB4/Nz-nQGflugc/s400/IMAG0976.jpg)

Found here:  http://straightforwardinacrookedworld.blogspot.com/2013/01/how-we-are-going-to-be-safer.html (http://straightforwardinacrookedworld.blogspot.com/2013/01/how-we-are-going-to-be-safer.html)

H/T Smallest Minority
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 17, 2013, 06:22:34 PM
I saw this on Farcebook so I don't know if it'll carry over...

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/227761_10151562766980432_276686056_n.jpg)

It's courtesy of the National Association for Gun Rights - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151562766980432&set=a.423266755431.196277.111499100431&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf# (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151562766980432&set=a.423266755431.196277.111499100431&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf#)!/nagrfb (not a very elegant URL, is it?!)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on January 17, 2013, 08:59:43 PM
I'm sure he had to know something like that might happen. Just like Ann Barnhardt knew the IRS would seize her bank accounts and house. The fact that people are starting to willingly risk such consequences is, in my view, a significant turn of events.
Looks like they want to get the second out of the way even if the first amendment has to be killed off too.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2013, 07:04:18 AM
It really is going crazy out there, and I think Obama is enjoing the Hell out of it!

Case in point - That fat fvck Christie is slamming the NRA ad!

Fat pile of Obama criticizes NRA ad (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/17/christie-nra-ad-on-obama-daughters-reprehensible/)

Up yours fat bastard!  We need MORE ads of this type, you effing idiot!  The fact that they piss off the Left and this asshole ought to tell people something.

I hope you wash up on shore soon, fat stupid loser!

Next, NY residents pissed at their new fascist gun laws should make citizen arrests of every police officer they can find, the law is the law after all, right?

NY cops are law-breakers (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8958116)

Go get 'em!

On another note, we have TX inviting NYer's to TX...

Y'all come to TX now, ya hear (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-usa-guns-texas-idUSBRE90G1DA20130117)

Umm, one word of caution, be careful what you wish for!  Look what those kinda imports did to FL!

And these two are linked -

Cruz says Obama drunk on power, Dem's could face rough '14 race (https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cruz-obama-high-his-own-power_696232.html)

Dems Vulnerable on guns (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/277783-vulnerable-senate-democrats-balk-at-obamas-gun-measures)

First, I dispute all these morons are vulnerable on guns, they've been coming after them for decades, some (landrieu, Franken) come from states where Dems no matter how liberal, incompetent or insane win easily, and I disagree that 2014 is going to go with the trend in off year elections under a lame duck president - why would people go out and vote for the same lame GOP candidates?

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 18, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
Christie has been anti-gun from the beginning. The more I hear this guy the more I hate him. So he went after the unions and tried to balance the budget. That's what any sane governor should do. Everything else about him screams opportunist at best, liberal at worst.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 18, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Yeah, and his little team of sycophants snickering in the background of his videos, putting all these staged shows on YouTube, it just reeks of personality cult. I've had more than enough of personality cults in politics.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2013, 11:19:35 AM
That fat liberal loser should just switch parties and stop pretending!

Otherwise I hope this bloated idiot runs for POTUS, I would like nothing better than to know for sure I never have to waste my time voting ever again!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 18, 2013, 11:34:34 AM

Not voting republican is a certainty for me. I will find and support individual candidates and will heartily support a replacement party.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 18, 2013, 05:57:32 PM
Christie has been anti-gun from the beginning. The more I hear this guy the more I hate him. So he went after the unions and tried to balance the budget. That's what any sane governor should do. Everything else about him screams opportunist at best, liberal at worst.

I have a buddy from another board from NJ. I've asked him about Whaleboy and he says that opinion runs similar in person there to our consensus, but that when the rubber meets the road they pull the lever for him anyway. While I'll never knowingly vote for a dhimmicrat the only significant vote I cast in the last race that I considered a throwaway was for Romney. I didn't vote for the pubbie gubernatorial candidate (and told him I didn't) or for the US rep who sold us out on a half-dozen major issues (Riechert).

Like Charles, I'm done voting for crap. I'll only vote for (and campaign for) quality candidates.

NJ pubbies or conservatives would do well to be grooming an alternative to Whaleboy.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 18, 2013, 09:14:15 PM
I'm done with voting too. For a long time now it's been like making a wish when you blow out your birthday candles -- i.e. you know it's just for entertainment but you figure you might as well make it a good wish just in case.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 18, 2013, 10:55:31 PM
Speaking of losers, lines in the sand, and being done with sh!t...

(sorry in advance for going OT)

A few years ago my brother and my Mom were out shopping on a Saturday afternoon. Mom had heard about a reoccurring event where Bluegrass musicians got together and jammed. The event was open to the public. On a whim they stopped by and were treated to some neat music. They discovered that it happened on the third Saturday of each month.

Not too many months later they stopped back only to find the doors closed. The fella who ran the event had grown tired of it and, when he couldn't find anyone to take over from him, he canceled the thing. When my brother heard this he made a couple of phone calls and then approached me about doing the sound. Just like that we were in the Bluegrass music business. Believe it or not there is a substantial Bluegrass interest in Washington state!

In a little over 2 1/2 years we have turned this into quite possibly the largest event of its type in the state. We have 5-6 separate rooms, each with their own assemblage of jammers, and live bands all day long. My Mom sold homemade pie by the slice and cookies and I ran the PA. So far, so good - right?

It takes a lot of work to make shows like this a success. Hard work. Sometimes expert work. None of us are getting paid for our efforts although on occasion there's a bit of donation money (we don't charge admission) left over after expenses. So what's the problem? I can't get anyone to lift a finger to help.

All the years I played in bands I was mostly only responsible for schlepping my own gear. In this event I'm packing an entire public address system around. Out of the house and into the van. Out of the van and into the hall. Out of the hall and into the van. Out of the van and into the house.

Most times I do it by myself. Then I set it up and tune it. Then I run it and make a bunch of amateur musicians sound like professionals. At the end of the show I tear it all down, pack it up and drag it home. I don't piss n moan about it although I sure could use the help.

We had to cancel last month because of Mom passing. We sent out our monthly email message telling everyone that we were resuming the Jam this month and asked for some help with the concessions and moving furniture. I didn't even ask anyone to move gear.

We got zero volunteers.

WTF is wrong with people?!

We put this show together so people could indulge their hobby (I don't even play Bluegrass!) and we bust our asses doing so and I can't even get anyone to push a goddamned chair across the room.

All I can say is that tomorrow will likely be our last session.

Thanks for letting me vent.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on January 19, 2013, 07:25:58 AM
Speaking of losers, lines in the sand, and being done with sh!t...

(sorry in advance for going OT)

A few years ago my brother and my Mom were out shopping on a Saturday afternoon. Mom had heard about a reoccurring event where Bluegrass musicians got together and jammed. The event was open to the public. On a whim they stopped by and were treated to some neat music. They discovered that it happened on the third Saturday of each month.

Not too many months later they stopped back only to find the doors closed. The fella who ran the event had grown tired of it and, when he couldn't find anyone to take over from him, he canceled the thing. When my brother heard this he made a couple of phone calls and then approached me about doing the sound. Just like that we were in the Bluegrass music business. Believe it or not there is a substantial Bluegrass interest in Washington state!

In a little over 2 1/2 years we have turned this into quite possibly the largest event of its type in the state. We have 5-6 separate rooms, each with their own assemblage of jammers, and live bands all day long. My Mom sold homemade pie by the slice and cookies and I ran the PA. So far, so good - right?

It takes a lot of work to make shows like this a success. Hard work. Sometimes expert work. None of us are getting paid for our efforts although on occasion there's a bit of donation money (we don't charge admission) left over after expenses. So what's the problem? I can't get anyone to lift a finger to help.

All the years I played in bands I was mostly only responsible for schlepping my own gear. In this event I'm packing an entire public address system around. Out of the house and into the van. Out of the van and into the hall. Out of the hall and into the van. Out of the van and into the house.

Most times I do it by myself. Then I set it up and tune it. Then I run it and make a bunch of amateur musicians sound like professionals. At the end of the show I tear it all down, pack it up and drag it home. I don't piss n moan about it although I sure could use the help.

We had to cancel last month because of Mom passing. We sent out our monthly email message telling everyone that we were resuming the Jam this month and asked for some help with the concessions and moving furniture. I didn't even ask anyone to move gear.

We got zero volunteers.

WTF is wrong with people?!

We put this show together so people could indulge their hobby (I don't even play Bluegrass!) and we bust our asses doing so and I can't even get anyone to push a goddamned chair across the room.

All I can say is that tomorrow will likely be our last session.

Thanks for letting me vent.

I wish I was there. Sounds like a wonderful event. We have some of those type events around here and I love them when I get to go. I cannot play an instrument and still have knots on my head from my dad trying to "teach" me, but I STILL love the music and if all I had to do was help set up I would be thrilled. 
They have an event here that does concessions by volunteers bringing like a pot luck. It is a fantastic event. I hope your participation rate improves. One thing I would suggest is direct requests. Emails are impersonal and it is too easy to assume "someone else will do it."
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AlanS on January 20, 2013, 09:20:08 AM
.....and we bust our asses doing so and I can't even get anyone to push a goddamned chair across the room.

All I can say is that tomorrow will likely be our last session.

In your monthly email, be sure to state WHY the event will be canceled. Sad, really, because it sounds like a great time.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on January 21, 2013, 05:54:01 PM
I saw this on Farcebook so I don't know if it'll carry over...

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/227761_10151562766980432_276686056_n.jpg)

It's courtesy of the National Association for Gun Rights - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151562766980432&set=a.423266755431.196277.111499100431&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf# (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151562766980432&set=a.423266755431.196277.111499100431&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf#)!/nagrfb (not a very elegant URL, is it?!)

"“A Virginia lawmaker who drew gasps from his colleagues when he brandished a borrowed AK-47 during an anti-gun speech Thursday was found guilty in 2002 of committing a vicious 1999 assault, was sanctioned for legal misconduct while prosecuting a rape case, spent six months in jail for contempt of a federal court, and saw his law license revoked in 2003.”"

So, was he even legal to be in possession of a gun?

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/20/va-lawmaker-brandishing-ak-47-on-house-floor-turns-out-to-be-crazy-ex-con-15723 (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/20/va-lawmaker-brandishing-ak-47-on-house-floor-turns-out-to-be-crazy-ex-con-15723)

H/T iOwnTheWorld.com
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 21, 2013, 06:09:44 PM
That's an amazing revelation Pan. fortunate for him that he possesses a Dhimmicrat Cloak of Imperviability.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on January 21, 2013, 08:54:40 PM
Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men, who steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in school, has ever been identified as a conservative NRA member? You would think if they were the media might have mentioned it? Maybe it just slipped their mind to mention the truth.

Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians,

The common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats."

INTERESTING, isn't it?

Hat tip to my friend Bandersnatch
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 21, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 21, 2013, 11:09:44 PM
As we all know, if there was even spurious evidence that they were conservatives, that is all we'd hear about. Remember how they tried to link Holmes, the Aurora shooter, to a local Tea Party man with the same name, and how they did so before the victims' bodies were even cold? How they tried to link Loughner to Sarah Palin's organization because they had produced pamphlets "targeting" Giffords' district?

These media pukes deserve everything coming to them. Slander does not even begin to describe the deliberate evils they perpetrate against the good and decent people of this country.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2013, 07:04:17 AM
As we all know, if there was even spurious evidence that they were conservatives, that is all we'd hear about. Remember how they tried to link Holmes, the Aurora shooter, to a local Tea Party man with the same name, and how they did so before the victims' bodies were even cold? How they tried to link Loughner to Sarah Palin's organization because they had produced pamphlets "targeting" Giffords' district?

These media pukes deserve everything coming to them. Slander does not even begin to describe the deliberate evils they perpetrate against the good and decent people of this country.

!!!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AlanS on January 22, 2013, 09:03:11 AM
Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men, who steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in school, has ever been identified as a conservative NRA member? You would think if they were the media might have mentioned it? Maybe it just slipped their mind to mention the truth.

Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians,

The common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats."

INTERESTING, isn't it?

Hat tip to my friend Bandersnatch

Sounds like the easy solution would be to ban Dhimms. ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: benb61 on January 22, 2013, 11:09:32 AM
Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men, who steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in school, has ever been identified as a conservative NRA member? You would think if they were the media might have mentioned it? Maybe it just slipped their mind to mention the truth.

Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians,

The common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats."

INTERESTING, isn't it?

Hat tip to my friend Bandersnatch

Sounds like the easy solution would be to ban Dhimms. ::whoohoo::

Or... capitally punish them before they go on shooting sprees!!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2013, 11:45:31 AM
Some true patriots are drawing a clear line!

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Collin-County-Sheriff-Wont-Enforce-Gun-Laws-That-Violate-Constitution-187816921.html?dr (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Collin-County-Sheriff-Wont-Enforce-Gun-Laws-That-Violate-Constitution-187816921.html?dr)

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/01/21/missouri-sheriffs-pledge-to-not-enforce-obamas-gun-control-laws/ (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/01/21/missouri-sheriffs-pledge-to-not-enforce-obamas-gun-control-laws/)

 ::USA::   ::USA::

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: warpmine on January 22, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
I've always been for gun control in terms of restricting progressives aka DemonRats from anywhere near firearms or ammunition. Seems like a common sense initiative. What say you.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2013, 11:57:39 AM
That works, but now we have bigger things to worry about...

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7560.0.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7560.0.html)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2013, 11:38:38 AM
More resistance!   ::thumbsup::

Indiana County says Backoff! (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/25/indiana-county-passes-ordinance-declaring-all-federal-laws-in-violation-of-2nd-amendment-invalid-and-unenforceable/)

65% say FMCDH! (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/25/poll-65-of-firearm-owners-would-defy-government-attempts-to-confiscate-guns/)

They actually start confiscation, that 65% could rise dramatically.  Let us pray it does not get to that point, but I would be less than honest if I said the Democrats don't intend to try.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on January 25, 2013, 12:10:45 PM
The JBTs would get the drop on the first phase of resisters, but once that cat is out of the bag their advantage will be nullified. At that point it will not merely be people defensively resisting in their own homes, there will be small groups who begin actively engaging agents of the state at times and places of their choosing. And speaking of choosing, it will also at that point be incumbent upon all agents of the state to decide what side they're on. Remaining one of the state's willing enforcers will be to announce oneself a legitimate target.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on January 25, 2013, 02:34:53 PM
The New Lexicon (http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-new-lexicon.html)

"Since the unpleasantness last month in Newtown, Connecticut, our rulers and their myrmidons in the media, never wanting to allow a crisis to be "wasted" are all atwitter over the possibility of further voiding the second amendment to the Constitution by outlawing "assault" weapons. Indeed, the Vampire state in an apparent trifecta race with Kalifornia and Illinois has won first place by enacting a comprehensive attack on the ownership by mere mundanes of so called "assault" rifles including the AR 15 and all weapons of the Kilashnakov design. These scary appearing rifles, while having no functional distinction from ordinary semiautomatic weaponry are considered by our "Progressive" bettors to be evil by virtue of their "military style" and are therefore officially designated as "assault" weapons.

On the other-hand, the Department of Homeland Security via the General Services Administration has issued a solicitation for bids to supply 7000 "Personal Defense Weapons" for members of the Immigration & Customs Enforcement bureau. The weapons to be delivered are described as AR-15 platform rifles but containing the option of a selector switch enabling them to fire as either semiautomatic or full automatic as in machine gun.

Please note, gentle reader, that our government defines these items as "Personal Defense Weapons" whereas the version of this rifle sans the full automatic capability in the possession of an ordinary citizen is defined by the same government as an "assault weapon".

You simply can't make this sh*t up."
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 25, 2013, 05:11:44 PM

Automatic fire, that's a little indiscriminate isn't it?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 25, 2013, 05:59:03 PM
The New Lexicon (http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-new-lexicon.html)

"Since the unpleasantness last month in Newtown, Connecticut, our rulers and their myrmidons in the media, never wanting to allow a crisis to be "wasted" are all atwitter over the possibility of further voiding the second amendment to the Constitution by outlawing "assault" weapons. Indeed, the Vampire state in an apparent trifecta race with Kalifornia and Illinois has won first place by enacting a comprehensive attack on the ownership by mere mundanes of so called "assault" rifles including the AR 15 and all weapons of the Kilashnakov design. These scary appearing rifles, while having no functional distinction from ordinary semiautomatic weaponry are considered by our "Progressive" bettors to be evil by virtue of their "military style" and are therefore officially designated as "assault" weapons.

On the other-hand, the Department of Homeland Security via the General Services Administration has issued a solicitation for bids to supply 7000 "Personal Defense Weapons" for members of the Immigration & Customs Enforcement bureau. The weapons to be delivered are described as AR-15 platform rifles but containing the option of a selector switch enabling them to fire as either semiautomatic or full automatic as in machine gun.

Please note, gentle reader, that our government defines these items as "Personal Defense Weapons" whereas the version of this rifle sans the full automatic capability in the possession of an ordinary citizen is defined by the same government as an "assault weapon".

You simply can't make this sh*t up."

Answer: They are in the last preparatory stages of their final totalitarian push, and they know there will be fierce resistance.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
Sorry to get technical, especially where it may give cover to "them", but a PDW is, in fact a class of weapon. A rifle has a barrel of 18"+ inches, a carbine down to 16", and a PDW is typically 10" - under 16". Shorter bbls are classified as pistols, even though some AR receivers are still chambered for rifle cartridges.
That crap notwithstanding, it's still a glaring example of a)Hypocrisy and b)One hand not having a clue as to what the other is doing. Although I'd concede that, considering the mass purchases of ammo by all the cabinet agencies, it's at least a tacit, unspoken plan for when the bell sounds.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 25, 2013, 07:48:30 PM

"...Personal Defense Weapons" for members of the Immigration & Customs Enforcement bureau. The weapons to be delivered are described as AR-15 platform rifles..."

"A rifle has a barrel of 18"+ inches, a carbine down to 16", and a PDW is typically 10" - under 16"."

So, they are buying PDW's built on an AR-15 platform that have barrels between 10 and 16".  Very interesting.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 25, 2013, 11:30:27 PM

The gNewt illustrates how to draw a line in the sand and aggressively defend it.  Bless him.

Newt Gingrich on Thursday night interrogated the gun-grabbing Piers Morgan, pushing the CNN host as to what his real motives are. An aggressive Gingrich insisted, "So, why don't you share your real view?...Isn't your real view that you would ban pistols if you could?" [See video below. MP3 audio here.] The Republican also told the British anchor why the Founding Fathers were able to defeat "your army."

Morgan swore that his concern was "the high-powered guns of any variety which can fire 30 or 40 or more rounds in less than a minute." He added, "...That would be my primary concern right now." The former Speaker pounced, "Right now? Okay, right now." Gingrich lectured, "The reason you find so many of us very reluctant to go down this road is we believe each step down this road leads to the next step and the next step and the next step."

More text plus video. (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2013/01/25/gingrich-schools-gun-grabbing-piers-morgan-isnt-your-real-view-you-w)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2013, 06:30:34 AM
Barrrels under 16" serve only one purpose - greater manueverability in urban combat situations. . . gosh, who could the Fed's be thinking of engaging in urban combat?   ::thinking::

 ::facepalm::  Duh!  US!

And 30-40 rounds per minute with a civilian AR in the hands of an average shooter?  An average shooter probably needs 2-3 seconds to get their target, allow another second for the sphincter factor and a few seconds of scan time and the average shooter would probably do good to engage a target every 6-7 seconds, so maybe he gets off 6-10 rounds on average, some may be better than that, maybe people fresh out of front line military units can process targets that fast...

Morgan ought to be more concerned about automatic fire out of sub-16" barrels into civilians but he's aligned himself with the forces of tyranny so I would have just gone after him and dispensed with any attempt at a logical rational discussion.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 12, 2013, 01:50:04 PM
The answer to their "Come on, how many rounds do you really need?" is "It's not incumbent upon me to answer because the entire question is disingenuous. You ask the question already knowing that your answer to it is 'zero', so we can stop pretending this is any sort of reasoned debate right here and now."
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on February 12, 2013, 03:50:20 PM
The answer to their "Come on, how many rounds do you really need?" is "It's not incumbent upon me to answer because the entire question is disingenuous. You ask the question already knowing that your answer to it is 'zero', so we can stop pretending this is any sort of reasoned debate right here and now."

Any response I give is PURE speculation. However, I KNOW that one less round than I need in my defense of myself and my family is a death sentence for the innocent. Why would YOU want to take responsiblity for the deaths of innocents by limiting me to potentiallly one less than needed to survive?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 12, 2013, 04:48:08 PM
The answer to their "Come on, how many rounds do you really need?" is "It's not incumbent upon me to answer because the entire question is disingenuous. You ask the question already knowing that your answer to it is 'zero', so we can stop pretending this is any sort of reasoned debate right here and now."

Any response I give is PURE speculation. However, I KNOW that one less round than I need in my defense of myself and my family is a death sentence for the innocent. Why would YOU want to take responsiblity for the deaths of innocents by limiting me to potentiallly one less than needed to survive?

They don't and they won't.  "Call the po-po".
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on February 12, 2013, 04:54:14 PM
The answer to their "Come on, how many rounds do you really need?" is "It's not incumbent upon me to answer because the entire question is disingenuous. You ask the question already knowing that your answer to it is 'zero', so we can stop pretending this is any sort of reasoned debate right here and now."

Any response I give is PURE speculation. However, I KNOW that one less round than I need in my defense of myself and my family is a death sentence for the innocent. Why would YOU want to take responsiblity for the deaths of innocents by limiting me to potentiallly one less than needed to survive?

They don't and they won't.  "Call the po-po".

I can attest first-hand that the police do not prevent crime.....they take reports after the fact.....and they do not even clean up the blood stains. That is YOUR problem as the victim. Sometimes they MIGHT arrest the person later....IF....you can give them the name, address, and social security number of the person who robbed and killed your family.......BUT....that assumes that a witness LIVES ....and not only lives, but HAS all the information necessary to the arrest and conviction of the assailant. 
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2013, 05:49:25 PM
The answer to their "Come on, how many rounds do you really need?" is "It's not incumbent upon me to answer because the entire question is disingenuous. You ask the question already knowing that your answer to it is 'zero', so we can stop pretending this is any sort of reasoned debate right here and now."

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2013, 05:50:22 PM
The answer to their "Come on, how many rounds do you really need?" is "It's not incumbent upon me to answer because the entire question is disingenuous. You ask the question already knowing that your answer to it is 'zero', so we can stop pretending this is any sort of reasoned debate right here and now."

Any response I give is PURE speculation. However, I KNOW that one less round than I need in my defense of myself and my family is a death sentence for the innocent. Why would YOU want to take responsiblity for the deaths of innocents by limiting me to potentiallly one less than needed to survive?

They don't and they won't.  "Call the po-po".

I can attest first-hand that the police do not prevent crime.....they take reports after the fact.....and they do not even clean up the blood stains. That is YOUR problem as the victim. Sometimes they MIGHT arrest the person later....IF....you can give them the name, address, and social security number of the person who robbed and killed your family.......BUT....that assumes that a witness LIVES ....and not only lives, but HAS all the information necessary to the arrest and conviction of the assailant. 

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on February 12, 2013, 06:31:16 PM
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/529775_10151315200873481_1364852712_n.jpg
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2013, 06:45:04 PM
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/529775_10151315200873481_1364852712_n.jpg

Sounds good to me (even though my Southern brothers and sisters might not be too happy with the authors actions towards them!  For which I can sympathize with.).
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: benb61 on February 12, 2013, 07:33:12 PM
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/529775_10151315200873481_1364852712_n.jpg

Sounds good to me (even though my Southern brothers and sisters might not be too happy with the authors actions towards them!  For which I can sympathize with.).

Hate to say it, but this man took no actions directly on anyone currently alive, today's southerners may be angry at what Lincoln did to their ancestors but they probably were not directly impacted.  What you said gives credence to the blacks in America demanding reparations from the whites today.  You are not saying that Americas white population owes anything to Americas black population are you?

 ::stirpot::
 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 12, 2013, 08:01:10 PM

An observer may say that the anger is more at events post Lincoln.  The humility of losing a fight is much less than adulterous occupation.  


ETA: They are directly impacted.  Today there are, I believe, seven states whose election laws must be approved by the Federal government before they can be amended.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 12, 2013, 08:57:45 PM
I'm not going to go any further into this can of worms other than to point out that those directly impacted would include any who believe the current Leviathan in DC is drunk with power, reckless, and openly flaunting and disdainful of any attempts to rein it in. Prior to the Civil War the constitutional relationship between the states and the Federal government that they themselves created was basically observed. After the Civil War the Federal government has been on its continual trajectory leading to the here and now. Having shown itself willing to wage war against those states' Declaration of Independence, and having done so successfully, the pretense of government by consent of the governed was over. We now enjoy the happy fruits.

Nobody wants to be in a position of being an implicit apologist for the institution of slavery, and you can by virtue of that fact make the argument that the Civil War was not as simplistic as states withdrawing their consent to be governed, I certainly grant that; and I will likewise argue that it is not simplistic in any other direction either. I point out only that the very fact that we, here in the second decade of the 21st century, are again hearing not-entirely-unserious talk of secession as proof that the Civil War left many philosophical questions not so much settled as merely fatigued into submission for a while.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2013, 08:59:27 PM
Right CO, plus during the war years he suspended Habeas Corpus, spent national funds without congressional authority, conscription, land-grant colleges, the revenue act that created the first national income tax...much of this bureaucratic infrastructure and means of conducting business (later made "legal" by congress & the courts) have this as the genesis of much of the ills bedeviling us today.  I meant no implication of nor condone any attempt to give credence of any kind to any reparations nonesense.

 ;)

ETA - Indeed that "can of worms" got me in trouble with the fella no longer with us, I merely acknowledge the facts you are referencing Glock (and that I tried to itemize above) that while I think Lincoln was to a large extent thrust to do what he did, I can both recognize the fact that I didn't like slavery from the get-go (leaving Africans in Africa would have made this a much happier nation IMO) and that the moral failing of the South with respect to slavery made it virtually untenable for the South to get traction on its legitimate claim as independent states in a Federal compact and the free association implicitly implied thereof.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: benb61 on February 12, 2013, 09:09:41 PM
I'm not going to go any further into this can of worms other than to point out that those directly impacted would include any who believe the current Leviathan in DC is drunk with power, reckless, and openly flaunting and disdainful of any attempts to rein it in. Prior to the Civil War the constitutional relationship between the states and the Federal government that they themselves created was basically observed. After the Civil War the Federal government has been on its continual trajectory leading to the here and now. Having shown itself willing to wage war against those states' Declaration of Independence, and having done so successfully, the pretense of government by consent of the governed was over. We now enjoy the happy fruits.

Nobody wants to be in a position of being an implicit apologist for the institution of slavery, and you can by virtue of that fact make the argument that the Civil War was not as simplistic as states withdrawing their consent to be governed, I certainly grant that; and I will likewise argue that it is not simplistic in any other direction either. I point out only that the very fact that we, here in the second decade of the 21st century, are again hearing not-entirely-unserious talk of secession as proof that the Civil War left many philosophical questions not so much settled as merely fatigued into submission for a while.

I agree with all you have said, and to that I'll state that it didn't affect just "our southern brothers and sisters" but all of America.

ETA

ETA - Indeed that "can of worms" got me in trouble with the fella no longer with us, I merely acknowledge the facts you are referencing Glock (and that I tried to itemize above) that while I think Lincoln was to a large extent thrust to do what he did, I can both recognize the fact that I didn't like slavery from the get-go (leaving Africans in Africa would have made this a much happier nation IMO) and that the moral failing of the South with respect to slavery made it virtually untenable for the South to get traction on its legitimate claim as independent states in a Federal compact and the free association implicitly implied thereof.

Interesting point.  Thinking about it, there were some negros that came to America that were not slaves, they were escaping tyranny and saw the vision of America.  Those folks and their children understood what it meant to be American.  There was also a larger group of negros that were kidnapped and brought to America and sold into slavery.  Those folks and their children have no idea what it means to be American.  They were forced to be here, whipped if they didn't work hard enough, had their children and spouses raped and killed for little more than thinking of escape and freedom, no wonder that the majority of these descendants expect something more and are just generally angry.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 12, 2013, 09:42:18 PM
They were forced to be here, whipped if they didn't work hard enough, had their children and spouses raped and killed for little more than thinking of escape and freedom, no wonder that the majority of these descendants expect something more and are just generally angry.  Thoughts?

They are only angry they are no longer slaves.  What are they demanding? A Job? Slavery gave them that.
"Free" Housing, food, medical care, clothing?  Slavery gave them that.

The only thing they are angry at is that we are not ALL slaves. That some of us have ambition and ability, and it demonstrates, very clearly, what they are lacking.
They know they are incapable of acquiring a goat with the skills and gifts they have and are therefore green with envy and intent of robbing Ivan of his.

Being born in America has given them a much better opportunity than they would have found anywhere in Africa - they ALREADY HAVE MORE and they squander it. No black alive was ever a slave. The only "legacy" of slavery is apparently a longing  wish to return to being an irresponsible, savage  animal of burden  kept at bay only by a whip.

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2013, 09:58:22 PM
Agreed, there is no longer anyone alive who remembers anyone in slavery, but slavery was replaced by the Klan and Jim Crow, they became the new scapegoats to lean on, then MLK came and took that crutch away and now the race-baiting pimps are pissed about it because it means they have to come up with a new crutch to give to the ignorant masses, so they came up with poverty and "soft" racism, so you see the African community such as it is sees no benefit to being free, being free has the other side of the coin called "responsibility" and heck, why would they want that?  Now they got Unca Shug giving them all they need, so they can stay on the Democrat plantation and keep sucking off everybody else.  The only thing different now is they wear their shackles by choice now and they are unwilling to acknowledge it.  And liberal whitey is ensuring the rest of us are enslaved to the state to keep funding it.  The key to all this mess is for whitey to quit being productive.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 12, 2013, 10:07:46 PM
Agreed, there is no longer anyone alive who remembers anyone in slavery, but slavery was replaced by the Klan and Jim Crow, they became the new scapegoats to lean on, then MLK came and took that crutch away and now the race-baiting pimps are pissed about it because it means they have to come up with a new crutch to give to the ignorant masses, so they came up with poverty and "soft" racism, so you see the African community such as it is sees no benefit to being free, being free has the other side of the coin called "responsibility" and heck, why would they want that?  Now they got Unca Shug giving them all they need, so they can stay on the Democrat plantation and keep sucking off everybody else.  The only thing different now is they wear their shackles by choice now and they are unwilling to acknowledge it.  And liberal whitey is ensuring the rest of us are enslaved to the state to keep funding it.  The key to all this mess is for whitey to quit being productive.

Libertas, you couldn't have provided a better lead-in for Chapter 18 of Tales of New America:

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7682.msg90472.html#msg90472 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7682.msg90472.html#msg90472)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 13, 2013, 06:57:52 AM
Agreed, there is no longer anyone alive who remembers anyone in slavery, but slavery was replaced by the Klan and Jim Crow, they became the new scapegoats to lean on, then MLK came and took that crutch away and now the race-baiting pimps are pissed about it because it means they have to come up with a new crutch to give to the ignorant masses, so they came up with poverty and "soft" racism, so you see the African community such as it is sees no benefit to being free, being free has the other side of the coin called "responsibility" and heck, why would they want that?  Now they got Unca Shug giving them all they need, so they can stay on the Democrat plantation and keep sucking off everybody else.  The only thing different now is they wear their shackles by choice now and they are unwilling to acknowledge it.  And liberal whitey is ensuring the rest of us are enslaved to the state to keep funding it.  The key to all this mess is for whitey to quit being productive.

Libertas, you couldn't have provided a better lead-in for Chapter 18 of Tales of New America:

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7682.msg90472.html#msg90472 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7682.msg90472.html#msg90472)

Cool, I gotta get caught up!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2013, 07:02:03 AM
Just more confirmation of what we already know their desires are -

gun-grabbing DemoNazis (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/shocking-obama-justice-dept-memo-assault-weapons-ban-wont-work-without-confiscation-and-gun-registration-video/)

Molôn Labé, fothermuckers!

Oh, and this sucks.  Comcast asshattery getting worse (was never good), just where can I get my high-speed internet from if I kick these jackasses to the curb?

Comcast siding with gun-grabbers (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/outrageous-comcast-drops-all-gun-shop-ads-from-its-nationwide-cable-network/)

Maybe these folks can band together and sue their asses for discrimination.  Their money is as good as anybodies, why should they get denied advertising opportunites?  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts Planned Parenthood advertises with them, and they've only killed tens of millions more people than all privately owned guns combined!!!

 ::gaah::

In closing, let us keep in mind who our enemies are and resolve not be be disarmed!

(http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Obama-gun-grabber.jpg)

H/T - IMAO (http://www.imao.us/index.php/2013/02/an-odd-combination-of-executive-decisions-2/)

Molôn Labé, fothermucker!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: warpmine on February 19, 2013, 08:57:08 AM
Just more confirmation of what we already know their desires are -

gun-grabbing DemoNazis (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/shocking-obama-justice-dept-memo-assault-weapons-ban-wont-work-without-confiscation-and-gun-registration-video/)

Molôn Labé, fothermuckers!

Oh, and this sucks.  Comcast asshattery getting worse (was never good), just where can I get my high-speed internet from if I kick these jackasses to the curb?

Comcast siding with gun-grabbers (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/outrageous-comcast-drops-all-gun-shop-ads-from-its-nationwide-cable-network/)

Maybe these folks can band together and sue their asses for discrimination.  Their money is as good as anybodies, why should they get denied advertising opportunites?  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts Planned Parenthood advertises with them, and they've only killed tens of millions more people than all privately owned guns combined!!!

 ::gaah::

In closing, let us keep in mind who our enemies are and resolve not be be disarmed!

(http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Obama-gun-grabber.jpg)

H/T - IMAO (http://www.imao.us/index.php/2013/02/an-odd-combination-of-executive-decisions-2/)

Molôn Labé, fothermucker!

Problem is, it's perfectly legal to deny anyone advertising if that's what they want to do. However, the shoe seems to be on the other foot when the government desires to force businesses to cater to sexual deviants in the form of same sex couples/marriage.

The problem is that our illustrious federal government continues to advance monopolies in the for of banking giants and communication companies such as Commiecast cable. If we had testicles we would all locate the CEO and mass a protest as the scum left does to get our point across. Why must we all take the high ground upon fighting the evil that will take whatever path is necessary to achieve it's goals?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2013, 11:16:57 AM
Sure, it's legal, but it is unethical as Hell since the government is picking the winners and losers by choosing who gets the monopoly franchise (usually the one kicking in the most campaign contributions).  Do we have an alternate cable company operating in the market?, no we do not, we are captive of government established monopolies!  So in this context I do not think it should be legal to exclude advertising opportunity just because of political considerations, considerations that run contrary to the benefactor of their exclusive franchise.  People and targeted businesses should be banding together to bring these clowns to their knees.  Targeting homes of exec's is fine with me, the Left does it all the time and gets away with it, along with publishing it in the open.  The Left likes to talk about fairness, we should force it in these cases.  Sue them, target them for boycotts, march on their homes, overwhelm the useless congresscriters with e-mail bombs, fax-attacks and such.  All we do is grab our ankles and piss and moan...
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 19, 2013, 11:44:20 PM
Rush was talking about "fairness" today.
Suggested in "fairness" to the first amendment, as
with the second amendment, journalists should be
required to have a background check, drug tests, etc. 
That would only be fair wouldn't it?

"RUSH: We might want to start considering, at least talking about, registering journalists, just like we have to register guns.  Background checks and all of that.  Because this is mental illness."

Link (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/02/19/delusional_politico_journalists_obama_is_our_puppet_master)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2013, 06:31:12 AM
Yeah, why not?  Extend their effed up logic to them, but then all they do is chuckle, call the idea ridiculous and heap scorn upon the person who suggested it...throw enough crap in the air and people cannot see shyt from turds...the entire mindset has to change for there to be any real or effective opposition to the statists.

I'm just not seeing any evidence of it in sufficient quantities to make a damn bit of difference.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 20, 2013, 08:17:23 AM
Yeah, why not?  Extend their effed up logic to them, but then all they do is chuckle, call the idea ridiculous and heap scorn upon the person who suggested it...throw enough crap in the air and people cannot see shyt from turds...the entire mindset has to change for there to be any real or effective opposition to the statists.

I'm just not seeing any evidence of it in sufficient quantities to make a damn bit of difference.

Liberals do not negotiate in good faith. They don't care about making an argument, or arriving at the truth, they just want their way, and they will lie, cheat, steal, enslave and kill to get it.   They are unwilling to live and let live. They are unwilling to ever leave you alone to live your own life.  They don't want to take your squirrel gun, till after they have taken your pistol.  They push and push and push till they get what they want and they will never, ever stop, care about your rights, or your feelings, or ever see you as anything but "evil" as long as you oppose their glorious quest for totalitarian utopia. Trying to use words with them is what makes them chuckle -- "look at the sucker who thinks he can make a deal with me!"

Stop talking to them. They claim the words in the Constitution mean nothing- then by extension so does the government they created.  Stop obeying their illegitimate govt and their right-denying laws.  Molon Labe.  And when they come issue no warnings.. again for them its just words.  The only think a bully understands is being knocked on their ass.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2013, 11:14:52 AM
Yeah, why not?  Extend their effed up logic to them, but then all they do is chuckle, call the idea ridiculous and heap scorn upon the person who suggested it...throw enough crap in the air and people cannot see shyt from turds...the entire mindset has to change for there to be any real or effective opposition to the statists.

I'm just not seeing any evidence of it in sufficient quantities to make a damn bit of difference.

Liberals do not negotiate in good faith. They don't care about making an argument, or arriving at the truth, they just want their way, and they will lie, cheat, steal, enslave and kill to get it.   They are unwilling to live and let live. They are unwilling to ever leave you alone to live your own life.  They don't want to take your squirrel gun, till after they have taken your pistol.  They push and push and push till they get what they want and they will never, ever stop, care about your rights, or your feelings, or ever see you as anything but "evil" as long as you oppose their glorious quest for totalitarian utopia. Trying to use words with them is what makes them chuckle -- "look at the sucker who thinks he can make a deal with me!"

Stop talking to them. They claim the words in the Constitution mean nothing- then by extension so does the government they created.  Stop obeying their illegitimate govt and their right-denying laws.  Molon Labe.  And when they come issue no warnings.. again for them its just words.  The only think a bully understands is being knocked on their ass.

Got that right!   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 20, 2013, 01:43:45 PM
Yeah, why not?  Extend their effed up logic to them, but then all they do is chuckle, call the idea ridiculous and heap scorn upon the person who suggested it...throw enough crap in the air and people cannot see shyt from turds...the entire mindset has to change for there to be any real or effective opposition to the statists.

I'm just not seeing any evidence of it in sufficient quantities to make a damn bit of difference.

Liberals do not negotiate in good faith. They don't care about making an argument, or arriving at the truth, they just want their way, and they will lie, cheat, steal, enslave and kill to get it.   They are unwilling to live and let live. They are unwilling to ever leave you alone to live your own life.  They don't want to take your squirrel gun, till after they have taken your pistol.  They push and push and push till they get what they want and they will never, ever stop, care about your rights, or your feelings, or ever see you as anything but "evil" as long as you oppose their glorious quest for totalitarian utopia. Trying to use words with them is what makes them chuckle -- "look at the sucker who thinks he can make a deal with me!"

Stop talking to them. They claim the words in the Constitution mean nothing- then by extension so does the government they created.  Stop obeying their illegitimate govt and their right-denying laws.  Molon Labe.  And when they come issue no warnings.. again for them its just words.  The only think a bully understands is being knocked on their ass.


Exactly.  And when discussing this, I am always thinking of this scene from the first Terminator movie:


The Terminator: 1984 - 22 second video. "And it absolutely will NOT stop! EVER! Until you are dead!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJol4bNIDTg#ws)


The Left are like the Terminator in their relentlessness and total disregard for anything but their own objectives.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 20, 2013, 02:44:57 PM
"Designed to prepare officers for the worst possible situation." (http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/2013/02/seriously.html)

Quote
Reader David Turner sent me a link to these Law Enforcement "No More Hesitation" training targets to ask me what I thought of them. Here are four of the seven:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/smallestminority/LET-1.jpg)

The sales spiel goes:

    No More Hesitation Targets were designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.  No More Hesitation faded background enhances the isolation and is meant to help the transition for officers who are faced with these highly unusal targets for the first time.

Kevin included a link to the site for "No More Hesitation" training targets which informs me "Server too busy" when I went to check what the other three look like, because it's kind of amazing (donchathink?) that all of these targets are White people?  Oh, right; these are not yer "usual targets".

eta:  Something I missed until it was pointed out; most of these "targets" are in places where they have a right to be.  Two are in their homes and it appears the other two are on their property.  So, who, exactly is the "hostile" in these scenarios?

Another link:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi#comment (http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi#comment)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 20, 2013, 03:27:31 PM
I'm telling you, they are gearing up both physically and mentally for an orgy of murder. I heard about these targets on the Alex Jones show yesterday. It's the most disgusting thing I've seen yet, though they do have an uncanny ability to keep raising that bar.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2013, 07:04:06 AM
I wonder if there are any uniformed police shooting targets I can get and bring to the local range?  Wonder how many stares that will draw?  I wonder if I'd get asked to leave?

Really, targeting civilians is OK, but there is no such thing as bad LEOs carrying out illegal orders against civilians?

People have lost their effing minds.

We will be required to shoot in all directions when the time comes.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AlanS on February 21, 2013, 10:01:24 AM

We will be required to shoot in all directions when the time comes.

After some serious consideration, I've come to the conclusion that IF the government were to come for me, I'm screwed. There's no way in hell I can defend myself against the sheer numbers and firepower they can bring to the table. My worst case scenario is defending my family and property from the Odumbo voters when the well runs dry. Anything worse than that....Well, it'll have a less than desirable outcome.

And I don't plan on going on the offensive. My time and energy will be taken up being productive while surviving.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 21, 2013, 10:21:08 AM
After some serious consideration, I've come to the conclusion that IF the government were to come for me, I'm screwed. There's no way in hell I can defend myself against the sheer numbers and firepower they can bring to the table.

 If they really  start moving House to House you have to get with your neighbors and go on the offensive, and ambush them as they move, as that increases your personal odds of survival.  if they come at you and you are isolated, your job is to get as many as you can before they take you down. 

Y Just don't make it easy, because that means there is one less for me to deal with when they come for me. The job has to be dangerous enough that no one wants to do it.  Its hard to justify going after people who are in their homes minding their own business and who won't hurt anyone if left alone. Even the libtards who voted for this fascist tyrant might notice something is wrong at that point. Of course like the Germans and the Jews, they will probably just stand there and watch. Which is why you leave a deadman switch that sets your liberal neighbor's house on fire unless you are there to turn it off every week or so. Leave traps for the men who come- poison the Alcohol, set up lethal objects they will trigger as they search. Place land mines behind obvious bits of cover at your place.  Inflict as high a cost as possible

Liberty or Death.  And given what they will probably do to you if you are captured, death is probably the better option.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2013, 11:13:46 AM
"leave a deadman switch that sets your liberal neighbor's house on fire unless you are there to turn it off every week or so"

 ::evil::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 22, 2013, 04:19:04 PM
http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/2013/02/update-on-those-no-more-hesitation.html (http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/2013/02/update-on-those-no-more-hesitation.html)

"It seems that the manufacturer has taken them off their website and apologized:

    We apologize for the offensive nature of our "No More Hesitation" products. These products have been taken offline due to the opinions expressed by so many, including members of the law enforcement community.

    This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community to train police officers for unusually complex situations where split-second decisions could lead to unnecessary loss of life.

    Consistent with our company mission as a training supplier (not a training methods company), we will continue to seek input from law enforcement professionals to better serve their training objectives and qualification needs. We sincerely appreciate law enforcement professionals for the risks they take in providing safety and defending freedom.


As InfoWars explains, though:

    The company's excuse that the targets were designed to help police prevent "unnecessary loss of life" is highly dubious given that the images were all of armed individuals termed "non-traditional threats," designed to ensure "no more hesitation" from police officers encountering them.

    As one respondent to the company explained, "Look, each of the supposed "threats" appeared to be in their own home settings. They were also all holding a weapon… It is obvious these paper targets were never intended to be decoy (don't shoot targets). It is apparent this was designed to assist in desensitizing the trainee."

    In addition, the company had previously struck a different tone when it told Reason's Mike Riggs that the targets were designed to combat, "hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition."

    Although the targets have been taken off the company's website, it's unclear whether or not they have been removed from sale entirely.

That's a question I would like answered."
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 22, 2013, 05:04:31 PM

...individuals termed "non-traditional threats," designed to ensure "no more hesitation"

Sounds like it came from a TSA training manual.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 22, 2013, 10:16:03 PM
As we've been discussing on other threads, the thing about these targets that I find most disturbing is that they're depicted as being in their own homes! It's not as if the pregnant woman is pictured running out of the bank with burst dye pack all over her hands and a gun held to a hostage's head, no she's depicted doing nothing more nefarious than being in her own damn house!

Just what, again, is this supposed to help the police train to do?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on February 23, 2013, 09:47:41 AM
 If it's me were talking about I would be shooting at the gun pointed at me,the person holding it isn't in my thoughts.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Predator Don on February 23, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
As we've been discussing on other threads, the thing about these targets that I find most disturbing is that they're depicted as being in their own homes! It's not as if the pregnant woman is pictured running out of the bank with burst dye pack all over her hands and a gun held to a hostage's head, no she's depicted doing nothing more nefarious than being in her own damn house!

Just what, again, is this supposed to help the police train to do?

Yea, give me the person who thought it was a good idea to use homes as a backdrop.....or am I supposed to believe the pregnant women burst out of the bank, led police on a high speed chase and barricaded herself in her home.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2013, 12:11:30 PM
If it's me were talking about I would be shooting at the gun pointed at me,the person holding it isn't in my thoughts.

 ::thumbsup::

More pushback here -

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas)

More, faster, louder!!!

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on February 24, 2013, 05:47:07 PM
If it's me were talking about I would be shooting at the gun pointed at me,the person holding it isn't in my thoughts.

 ::thumbsup::

More pushback here -

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas)

More, faster, louder!!!

 ::clapping::

  That worm may be turning.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AlanS on February 24, 2013, 07:18:38 PM
If it's me were talking about I would be shooting at the gun pointed at me,the person holding it isn't in my thoughts.

 ::thumbsup::

More pushback here -

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas)

More, faster, louder!!!

 ::clapping::

  That worm may be turning.

I'll believe it when the ammo companies quit selling to the state.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 25, 2013, 12:11:06 AM
Now Beretta is threatening to leave Maryland over proposed anti-gun laws there. They don't get much bigger than Beretta, and they're a major supplier to the US military too.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/24/berettas-dont-bluff-major-gun-company-threatens-to-leave-maryland-over-new-gun-control-proposals/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/24/berettas-dont-bluff-major-gun-company-threatens-to-leave-maryland-over-new-gun-control-proposals/)


Quote
But according to the Washington Post, the company’s Italian “patriarch” Ugo Gussalli Beretta expressed a lack of confidence in the state.

“All I can tell you is, there always seems to be a problem with Maryland,” he reportedly said.


In Glock32's imagined version, Signor Beretta then threw in a  ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 25, 2013, 01:38:35 AM
If he didn't actually do it, he was thinking it.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2013, 06:54:09 AM
I hope he did it!   ::thumbsup::

MOAR!!!

 ::cool::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2013, 01:21:16 PM
Rush is talking about this right now -

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/23/nra-uses-justice-memo-accuse-obama-admin-wanting-c/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/23/nra-uses-justice-memo-accuse-obama-admin-wanting-c/)

I love it when people rip off a regime limb and beat them with it!   ::bustamove::

Do not hear anybody on the Hill running with it, God forbid those feckless morons get off their fat lazy asses!   ::gaah::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 25, 2013, 06:55:24 PM
Idaho, Texas and South Carolina have sent
solicitations and warm invitations.

Bet any one of those states would give tax
abatement or some other incentive.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 25, 2013, 07:45:56 PM
SC already has Fabrique Nationale in Columbia, who make the M16, M4, M249, and M240 weapons for the DoD. It would be a natural fit for Beretta.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 26, 2013, 07:16:19 AM
More of this bullshyt now, from the party of fake voters and fake everything else, more fake twitters to gin up anti-2A efforts -

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/284679-gop-lawmaker-says-obama-using-fake-people-to-flood-twitter-with-gun-control-messages (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/284679-gop-lawmaker-says-obama-using-fake-people-to-flood-twitter-with-gun-control-messages)

I'd like to give this regime a not too fake ass-whupin'!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: RickZ on February 26, 2013, 07:20:36 AM
More of this bullshyt now, from the party of fake voters and fake everything else, more fake twitters to gin up anti-2A efforts -

Afroturfing For Owebama.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 26, 2013, 07:31:53 AM
Fro's & Ho's fo 'Bama!

 ::asskicking::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2013, 07:42:02 AM
Another batch of asshats crossing the line!

http://www.infowars.com/city-wants-power-to-disarm-individuals-during-crisis/ (http://www.infowars.com/city-wants-power-to-disarm-individuals-during-crisis/)

Here's an idea, STFD & STFU!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 27, 2013, 11:11:55 AM
Yeah there was some town in North Carolina that had a similar ordinance. Pan may remember the town, I think it was somewhere not too far from her neck of the woods. But anyhow they tried to enact the ordinance during a no big deal snowstorm. If I am remembering correctly, the NC legislature passed a law in response, preempting such local shenanigans.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2013, 11:22:59 AM
I'd like to see these morons try to disarm people who armed and not breaking any (sensible) law!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 27, 2013, 12:55:02 PM
Yeah there was some town in North Carolina that had a similar ordinance. Pan may remember the town, I think it was somewhere not too far from her neck of the woods. But anyhow they tried to enact the ordinance during a no big deal snowstorm. If I am remembering correctly, the NC legislature passed a law in response, preempting such local shenanigans.

The whole state of NC was subject to it, Glock, whenever the Governor declared a State of Emergency, although individual cities/towns were permitted to declare their own.

I hope you're remembering correctly about The Ledge preempting the bullspit because I can't recall whether they got this fixed or not.

Oh, and not for nothing, the SOE declaration also banned the buying and transporting of liquor.  Go figger.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 27, 2013, 01:07:47 PM
Yeah there was some town in North Carolina that had a similar ordinance. Pan may remember the town, I think it was somewhere not too far from her neck of the woods. But anyhow they tried to enact the ordinance during a no big deal snowstorm. If I am remembering correctly, the NC legislature passed a law in response, preempting such local shenanigans.

The whole state of NC was subject to it, Glock, whenever the Governor declared a State of Emergency, although individual cities/towns were permitted to declare their own.

I hope you're remembering correctly about The Ledge preempting the bullspit because I can't recall whether they got this fixed or not.

Oh, and not for nothing, the SOE declaration also banned the buying and transporting of liquor.  Go figger.


http://grnc.org/defend-your-rights/options/recent-grnc-updates/250-grnc-wins-state-of-emergency-suit-strikes-gun-ban (http://grnc.org/defend-your-rights/options/recent-grnc-updates/250-grnc-wins-state-of-emergency-suit-strikes-gun-ban)


Quote
Gun Rights Supporters:

 

     Congratulations! You have won a great victory today as Grass Roots North Carolina and the Second Amendment Foundation won the Bateman v. Perdue lawsuit to strike down North Carolina's "state of emergency" gun ban. You should also thank GRNC supporters Michael Bateman, Virgil Green and Forrest Minges, Jr., who were plaintiffs in the suit.   

     You'll notice that I'm writing you on Rights Watch International letterhead. As you recall, RWI is GRNC's educational and legal action arm, but more on that in a moment. Right now, on to the good news.

From GRNC's press release earlier today ...
 

     Writing for the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina, Senior U.S. District Judge Malcolm J. Howard today added another to the growing list of gun laws struck down on Second Amendment grounds.   


State of Emergency Gun Ban


     In Bateman et al. v. Perdue et al., at issue was the state's blanket prohibition on carrying firearms outside the home during declared states of emergency. During numerous states of emergency involving hurricanes and other phenomena, lawful North Carolinians have been prevented from protecting themselves outside the home, including an incident in which King, NC posted the entire town against firearms in anticipation of a snowstorm. Plaintiffs for the case were gun rights organizations Grass Roots North Carolina, the Second Amendment Foundation, and citizens Michael Bateman, Virgil Green and Forrest Minges, Jr. 


Second Amendment Scholarship

     The Bateman decision further extends the right to bear arms outside the home. Extensively cited in the decision were the recent Supreme Court decision affirming an individual right to keep and bear arms in D.C. v. Heller, the "incorporation" of the Second Amendment in Mc Donald v. Chicago, and recent Fourth Circuit decisions in U.S. v. Chester and U.S. v. Masciandaro.

From the decision:

Quote
Citing from Masciandaro: "...the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms 'is not strictly limited to the home environment but extends in some form to wherever those activities or needs occur.'"

"It cannot be seriously questioned that the emergency declaration laws at issue here burden conduct protected by the Second Amendment..."

 
"...the statutes here excessively intrude upon plaintiffs' Second Amendment rights by effectively banning them (and the public at large) from engaging in conduct that is at the very core of the Second Amendment at a time when the need for self-defense may be at its very greatest."
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 27, 2013, 01:36:23 PM
Oh good!  Thanks, Glock.

Eta:  I don't always pay attention to such things (the SOE ban) because I don't pay attention to such things, iow, ofttimes I aim to misbehave.  It's just the way it is.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 27, 2013, 01:50:54 PM
I forget about these things as well.  We have to endure a constant, daily assault on liberty.  We were warned the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, but in the modern era with communication being instantaneous it is so easy to be fatigued by it. I wish "our" side had a tenth of the persistence of our enemies. I'm sure they are busily crafting new ordinances to skirt around the court ruling. Or just ignoring it entirely, as that GRNC link goes on to explain.

I hate them.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on February 27, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
Oh good!  Thanks, Glock.

Eta:  I don't always pay attention to such things (the SOE ban) because I don't pay attention to such things, iow, ofttimes I aim to misbehave.  It's just the way it is.

   Imagine that.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 27, 2013, 02:08:24 PM
Oh good!  Thanks, Glock.

Eta:  I don't always pay attention to such things (the SOE ban) because I don't pay attention to such things, iow, ofttimes I aim to misbehave.  It's just the way it is.

   Imagine that.

 ::evilbat::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on February 27, 2013, 03:06:35 PM
The problem is the destroyer does not need to hit 100%, though we MUST defend perfectly 100% of the time. If we only play defense he can swing again and again and again, until we eventually fail to block. And then our liberty is eroded and that eroded line becomes the new point of defense, because the destroyer has not stopped swinging.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 27, 2013, 03:07:37 PM
A good offense is the best defense.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on February 27, 2013, 07:52:51 PM
A good offense is the best defense.

  Has anybody seen one of late.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on February 27, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
Yeeeahhhh, NO.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 27, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 27, 2013, 09:52:04 PM
Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

Not I. Death First.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2013, 06:58:14 AM
Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

Not I. Death First.


Agreed.  Letting the government decide who deserves and does not deserve life, liberty and ones pursuits does not sit well with me, and I believe we have the Founders solidly in our corner on that score!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on February 28, 2013, 09:45:16 PM
Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

Not I. Death First.


Agreed.  Letting the government who deserves and does not deserve life, liberty and ones pursuits does not sit well with me, and I believe we have the Founders solidly in our corner on that score!


Absolutely we do. It's just disheartening that seemingly so many people are fooled by the illusion of consent, the illusion of representation. I guess by some people's calculation, it would have been wrong for Germans to resist National Socialism because, after all, the Nazis did obtain their seats in the Reichstag by democratic elections, and Hitler did obtain the chancellorship by same.

As Mark Levin points out, the Constitution of the United States was not up for a vote on November 6, 2012. So Obama won by hook and crook...that doesn't give him authority to end run the Constitution and the other branches of government. Sigh. There's just a lot of people, including people who are basically conservative, who don't get it. They have a misplaced fealty to offices and institutions, apparently unaware that those institutions have been infected and repurposed not unlike a virus taking over your own cells.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 28, 2013, 10:01:45 PM

Many times when learning of or reflecting upon Germany's descent I asked  how could the good people of Germany
allow this, how could the most literate nation on earth allow this decade long descent into Hell happen. 
As a youth I reflected and asked many questions.  Oh, please God, don't finish this answer.  I know more than I want to now.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: benb61 on February 28, 2013, 10:09:57 PM

Many times when learning of or reflecting upon Germany's descent I asked  how could the good people of Germany
allow this, how could the most literate nation on earth allow this decade long descent into Hell happen. 
As a youth I reflected and asked many questions.  Oh, please God, don't finish this answer.  I know more than I want to now.

I try not to ask questions that I really don't want to learn the answer through experience.  I fear something will do the jeanie trick and teach me a lesson the hard way.  Like I said I "try".  I have learned some things in my life that the average person should never have to learn the way I did.  The phrase "Be careful of what you wish for!" seems to be fickle but if there is a bad way for it to happen it kind of makes the wish not so welcome.  The left is asking for utopia, but don't really know what they are begging for.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2013, 06:56:33 AM
Yeah, after all we still have meaningless rigged elections. As long as that ornamentation is there, I guess people will just allow themselves to be fundamentally transformed.

Not I. Death First.


Agreed.  Letting the government decide who deserves and does not deserve life, liberty and ones pursuits does not sit well with me, and I believe we have the Founders solidly in our corner on that score!


Absolutely we do. It's just disheartening that seemingly so many people are fooled by the illusion of consent, the illusion of representation. I guess by some people's calculation, it would have been wrong for Germans to resist National Socialism because, after all, the Nazis did obtain their seats in the Reichstag by democratic elections, and Hitler did obtain the chancellorship by same.

As Mark Levin points out, the Constitution of the United States was not up for a vote on November 6, 2012. So Obama won by hook and crook...that doesn't give him authority to end run the Constitution and the other branches of government. Sigh. There's just a lot of people, including people who are basically conservative, who don't get it. They have a misplaced fealty to offices and institutions, apparently unaware that those institutions have been infected and repurposed not unlike a virus taking over your own cells.

I think they are truly stupid enough to think they can tame the beast, if only they are given enough time to do so, then they can be reformed.  What they fail to comprehend and what the Left continually demonstrates is that the bureaucracy works for their benefit, not ours, and it never will.  Everytime I hear the phrase "reform" I instinctively flinch, because it means something very bad is coming, we'll pay for it up front financially and downstream through loss of liberty.

All this just plays into the hands of the Left and makes it easy for them to manipulate the Obama low-info voter.

The mistake all people make regardless of era is believing any one person or party or institution has all the answers to a soft, easy prosperous life.  IN the end you usually get what you deserve.

They got theirs coming.   ;)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Dan on March 01, 2013, 10:02:53 AM

Many times when learning of or reflecting upon Germany's descent I asked  how could the good people of Germany
allow this, how could the most literate nation on earth allow this decade long descent into Hell happen. 
As a youth I reflected and asked many questions.  Oh, please God, don't finish this answer.  I know more than I want to now.

Yes. And God doesn't have to answer. We know where it ends.
If we let it happen.
Get your mind, body and soul prepped for the violence that must come if we are to prevent it.


Sorry for the downer.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on March 01, 2013, 10:18:34 AM

Many times when learning of or reflecting upon Germany's descent I asked  how could the good people of Germany
allow this, how could the most literate nation on earth allow this decade long descent into Hell happen. 
As a youth I reflected and asked many questions.  Oh, please God, don't finish this answer.  I know more than I want to now.

Yes. And God doesn't have to answer. We know where it ends.
If we let it happen.
Get your mind, body and soul prepped for the violence that must come if we are to prevent it.


Sorry for the downer.

It is what it is.  Even ugly truths require speaking; Ann Barnhardt:

"When the truth is ugly, it must STILL be declared. Boldly. Loudly. Persistently. Failure to declare ugly truths is itself an act of dishonesty, a bearing of false witness, and it makes impossible any attempt to push through the superficial ugliness and get to the pure, holy beauty beyond. If you refuse to declare ugly truths, then progress (in the good sense of the word) is halted. Everything stops and the only direction that has any freedom for movement is BACKWARD, away from truth, and thus away from God Himself.

Guys, this dynamic is EVERYWHERE around us today, and it is why civilization is going to implode any day now. No one will declare any ugly truths, and thus we have hit the wall as a civilization."
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Aye.

Plan accordingly.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2013, 11:36:11 AM
As if we needed more eveidence. . .

"I don't believe people should be able to own guns," Obama told Lott one day at the University of Chicago Law School.

Lott explains that he first met Obama shortly after completing his research on concealed handgun laws and crime.

"He did not come across as a moderate who wanted to bring people together," Lott writes.

After he introduced himself to Obama, Lott suggested that they have lunch one day to discuss their views on guns.  According to Lott, Obama "grimaced and turned away."  That was the way many conversations with Obama ended, Lott says.

Although the Law School was famous for the openness of its faculty and friendly engagement, Lott says, "Obama...preferred silent, scowling disdain to collegiality."

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/author-quotes-then-professor-obama-saying-i-dont-believe-people-should (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/author-quotes-then-professor-obama-saying-i-dont-believe-people-should)

. . .but just when you cannot loath this POS any more, new depths are plunged. . .

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Predator Don on March 06, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
As if we needed more eveidence. . .

"I don't believe people should be able to own guns," Obama told Lott one day at the University of Chicago Law School.

Lott explains that he first met Obama shortly after completing his research on concealed handgun laws and crime.

"He did not come across as a moderate who wanted to bring people together," Lott writes.

After he introduced himself to Obama, Lott suggested that they have lunch one day to discuss their views on guns.  According to Lott, Obama "grimaced and turned away."  That was the way many conversations with Obama ended, Lott says.

Although the Law School was famous for the openness of its faculty and friendly engagement, Lott says, "Obama...preferred silent, scowling disdain to collegiality."

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/author-quotes-then-professor-obama-saying-i-dont-believe-people-should (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/author-quotes-then-professor-obama-saying-i-dont-believe-people-should)

. . .but just when you cannot loath this POS any more, new depths are plunged. . .



I don't believe socialists should have kids.....or should be allowed.....
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2013, 07:03:06 AM
Yeah, I thought abortion would take its toll, but that is mostly in the poor and minority ranks (racist libiots!), most rank-and-file libiots still breed, that must not be allowed.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2013, 12:08:49 PM
Gun-Grabbing DemoNazis in the Senate bring forth their anti-Second Amendment proposals...may they all die a quick death!

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130307/DA4S4SA80.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130307/DA4S4SA80.html)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 07, 2013, 12:21:44 PM

Check this out: Manufacturers support gun registration (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7853.msg92455.html#msg92455)

ETA: "Democrats said they would negotiate with other Republicans and would not give up on eventually cutting a deal with Coburn.
...
Former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., grievously wounded in a Tucson mass shooting two years ago, solicited contributions by email for the political action committee she and husband Mark Kelly, the retired astronaut, have formed to help elect lawmakers who back gun curbs."

The whole thing is disgusting but what is it with Giffords husband
 (http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//Giffords_Gun_Control.sff_AZRF105_20130306161817.jpg)

If she had her wits she would slap the crap out of him and tell him to go suck on something else.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Predator Don on March 07, 2013, 01:32:18 PM
I'm so sick and tired of my rights incrementally legislated away....as this will be thought of as a conservative victory because we made the dems "compromise". ::falldownshocked:: ::puke::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2013, 07:24:43 PM
Agree Don.

Oh,and Gabby's hubby had to be a left-leaning idiot before her attack, his ignorance of the shooters background and ideology proves it.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: warpmine on March 08, 2013, 11:59:13 AM
Agree Don.

Oh,and Gabby's hubby had to be a left-leaning idiot before her attack, his ignorance of the shooters background and ideology proves it.
::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 10, 2013, 01:39:28 PM
Breitbart: (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/09/Gabby-Giffords-Husband-Buys-AR-15-Announces-He-s-Not-Keeping-It-After-News-Leaks-Out)

[Schmuck] Mark E. Kelly (http://theblacksphere.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mark-Kelly-and-Gabby-Giffords-300x169.jpg), gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an “assault weapon,” he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on March 10, 2013, 01:49:49 PM
Breitbart: (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/09/Gabby-Giffords-Husband-Buys-AR-15-Announces-He-s-Not-Keeping-It-After-News-Leaks-Out)

[Schmuck] Mark E. Kelly (http://theblacksphere.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mark-Kelly-and-Gabby-Giffords-300x169.jpg), gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an “assault weapon,” he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.

He passed a background check and legally bought a weapon and by that he intends to illustrate the need for it to be made more difficult to do so for .... people like him?  WTF, over.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2013, 02:43:22 PM
See?  Asshat from birth.  These people truly suck.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on March 10, 2013, 06:56:11 PM
Shouldn't he be somewhere hawking household cleaning chemicals?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Predator Don on March 10, 2013, 07:21:23 PM
Breitbart: (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/09/Gabby-Giffords-Husband-Buys-AR-15-Announces-He-s-Not-Keeping-It-After-News-Leaks-Out)

[Schmuck] Mark E. Kelly (http://theblacksphere.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mark-Kelly-and-Gabby-Giffords-300x169.jpg), gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an “assault weapon,” he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.

He passed a background check and legally bought a weapon and by that he intends to illustrate the need for it to be made more difficult to do so for .... people like him?  WTF, over.


So...did he turn the gun in?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Pandora on March 10, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
Unknown as of yet, although he says he won't keep it.

Liar.

He will.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on March 10, 2013, 08:36:33 PM
Unknown as of yet, although he says he won't keep it.

Liar.

He will.

  Yer damned skippy he'll keep it,liar is a kind word for this scammer and wife. They have discovered the money that can be made with nonprofits.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2013, 06:57:56 AM
You know God is busy (or disinterested) when so many prominent lefties tell so many whoppers and bolts of lighning don't come crashing down lighting them on fire.

I have to say, I am no Angel myself, but I find that disappointing.

On the bright side though. . .more for us?

 ::stirpot::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2013, 11:31:47 AM
Confirms what we already knew.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/11/Schakowsky-Assault-Weapons-Ban-is-Just-the-Beginning (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/11/Schakowsky-Assault-Weapons-Ban-is-Just-the-Beginning)

Gun-grabbing DemoNazis are like cockroaches, but people need to fight back, and when they scurry - squash 'em!

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 11, 2013, 11:51:03 AM

[blockquote] Schakowsky: We’re on a roll now, and I think we’ve got to take the--you know, we’re gonna push as hard as we can and as far as we can.

Mattera: So the assault weapons ban is just the beginning?

Schakowsky: Oh absolutely.  ...[/blockquote]
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2013, 11:54:18 AM
Oh, BTW...this is the kind of crap the Pubbie leadership wants to work with to "get things done"?

 ::viking::

Gonna make me go full-Ragnar!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/17/at-least-28-states-introducing-bills-to-preemptively-counteract-any-federal-gun-ban-laws/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/17/at-least-28-states-introducing-bills-to-preemptively-counteract-any-federal-gun-ban-laws/)

28 states.  Should be over 40, all but the worst blue state hellholes!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 17, 2013, 02:01:12 PM
Well, at least the state of washington is adamant about their right to be stoners, even if it means turning their heads against the US Constitution in the bargain.  ::)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 17, 2013, 03:53:12 PM
Breitbart: (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/09/Gabby-Giffords-Husband-Buys-AR-15-Announces-He-s-Not-Keeping-It-After-News-Leaks-Out)

[Schmuck] Mark E. Kelly (http://theblacksphere.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mark-Kelly-and-Gabby-Giffords-300x169.jpg), gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an “assault weapon,” he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.

He passed a background check and legally bought a weapon and by that he intends to illustrate the need for it to be made more difficult to do so for .... people like him?  WTF, over.


So...did he turn the gun in?

Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/14/Mark-Kelly-s-AR-15-Stunt-Provokes-Giffords-Photo-Leak)

(http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/03/14/Giffords.png)   

The latter source was present when the photograph was taken, and said that Giffords had requested it for campaign purposes during October 2010.
...
The source, who is a member of the law enforcement community, told Breitbart News:

"We were told she wanted to toughen her image. She asked to come out and she wanted to shoot a rifle. She had one of our guys out there to show her how to shoot an AR-15."

Democrat ethics: what ever it takes
                    what ever is politically expediant
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2013, 08:35:14 PM
Not an unexpected development, but one which should cause people to sit up and take notice that these statist pricks will coerce compliance to the all-powerful federal directorate or face punitive action.  Assholes like this who try to pervert the constitution into making others violate it is so sick and twisted I can scarcely keep my calm!!!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/27/texas-democrat-proposes-legislation-that-would-remove-sheriffs-who-refuse-to-enforce-gun-control-laws-from-office/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/27/texas-democrat-proposes-legislation-that-would-remove-sheriffs-who-refuse-to-enforce-gun-control-laws-from-office/)

Tell me tyranny is not on the march all across our land, tell me!!!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 27, 2013, 09:13:12 PM

I had to go look.  She's a nothing.  She has a one liner in wiki, most of the links with her name link to chat rooms, it appears she has written no legislation.  She is in one of those redistricted, special interest, seat for life (as is Shelia Jackson Lee) districts. To the world's luck, unlike with Shelia, she's local.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2013, 07:00:05 AM

I had to go look.  She's a nothing.  She has a one liner in wiki, most of the links with her name link to chat rooms, it appears she has written no legislation.  She is in one of those redistricted, special interest, seat for life (as is Shelia Jackson Lee) districts. To the world's luck, unlike with Shelia, she's local.

True, but they all think this way.   ;)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on March 28, 2013, 10:54:19 AM
Put an amendment on her bill that would make them removable for failing to enforce immigration laws too.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on March 28, 2013, 02:17:53 PM

I had to go look.  She's a nothing.  She has a one liner in wiki, most of the links with her name link to chat rooms, it appears she has written no legislation.  She is in one of those redistricted, special interest, seat for life (as is Shelia Jackson Lee) districts. To the world's luck, unlike with Shelia, she's local.

  She's a nothing that figured out how to make money with a charity using a hole in her head as justification for another charity.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: RickZ on April 05, 2013, 04:07:18 AM
Preezy Skeezy's favorite 'poet', Maya Angelou, GUN OWNER.  One more piece of the gun control 'debate' that will be ignored.

Maya Angelou Admits To Using Guns For Protection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3hEdV68U8#ws)

The pro gun side sure has strange bedfellows, like the ACLU and the NRA working together against Universal Background Checks (cats and dogs ganging up on humans can't be far behind; cats'll claw us to death while dogs'll bury the bodies).

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/ACLU-Opposes-Universal-Background-Checks-Warns-They-Could-Lead-To-Registration (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/ACLU-Opposes-Universal-Background-Checks-Warns-They-Could-Lead-To-Registration)

Quote
As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) works with other Senate Democrats to find a way to push their gun control package through, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is warning that universal background checks pose a threat to individual privacy and could lead to firearm registration.
 
According to the ACLU's Chris Calabrese, "The current proposal for universal background checks raises...significant concerns." One of which is the fact that the current legislative proposal for universal background checks does not guarantee that information gleaned from the checks will be destroyed within 24 hours. The NICS background check system, which is currently in place, requires personal information to be destroyed within 24 hours.
 
Because of this, Calabrese said the ACLU is concerned that the form universal background checks being promoted by Democrats could lead to "the creation of government databases and collections of personal information." And since the legislation being pushed by Reid stipulates that "a record has to be kept of a private transfer," it's hard to see how a database that lists every gun and every gun owner won't be among those created if universal background checks are passed.
 
The NRA has been sounding this alarm from the moment Democrats began pushing for universal background checks in the wake of the heinous crime at Sandy Hook Elementary. In this rare moment we see two civil liberties advocates--the ACLU and the NRA--fighting the same fight.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2013, 06:47:07 AM
The ACLU always has ulterior motivations...perhaps they should be pressed on the matter of Obamacare, Electronic Medical Records and the IRS!

 ::cussing::  ACLU pussies!  More than a day late and a dollar short!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2013, 11:32:16 AM
And really, anybody left in NY with half a brain have to GTFO or resign themselves to die in their homes!

This is fricken pathetic!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/04/n-y-dads-pistol-license-suspended-over-something-his-10-year-old-son-said-and-it-could-be-8-years-before-he-gets-it-back/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/04/n-y-dads-pistol-license-suspended-over-something-his-10-year-old-son-said-and-it-could-be-8-years-before-he-gets-it-back/)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on April 05, 2013, 01:15:25 PM
And does anyone seriously believe the personal information used in a NICS check is actually destroyed within 24 hours? If so PM me, I have an offer you can't refuse for a well known bridge that connects Manhattan and Brooklyn.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2013, 07:40:24 PM
And does anyone seriously believe the personal information used in a NICS check is actually destroyed within 24 hours? If so PM me, I have an offer you can't refuse for a well known bridge that connects Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Our warnings are ignored at peril!

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/atf-seeks-massive-database-personal-info-assets-relatives-associates (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/atf-seeks-massive-database-personal-info-assets-relatives-associates)

Anybody hear anybody talking about this?   ::whatgives::

All brought about by Executive Orders.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=8c9638f5b657a484b0a6336558183251&_cview=0 (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=8c9638f5b657a484b0a6336558183251&_cview=0)

Armed liberty-loving patriots should be on the march already!

 ::outrage::   ::angry::   ::gaah::   ::cussing:: 
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on April 08, 2013, 03:23:41 PM
Now Beretta is threatening to leave Maryland over proposed anti-gun laws there. They don't get much bigger than Beretta, and they're a major supplier to the US military too.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/24/berettas-dont-bluff-major-gun-company-threatens-to-leave-maryland-over-new-gun-control-proposals/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/24/berettas-dont-bluff-major-gun-company-threatens-to-leave-maryland-over-new-gun-control-proposals/)


Quote
But according to the Washington Post, the company’s Italian “patriarch” Ugo Gussalli Beretta expressed a lack of confidence in the state.

“All I can tell you is, there always seems to be a problem with Maryland,” he reportedly said.


In Glock32's imagined version, Signor Beretta then threw in a  ::vafancoul::


Aaaaand Beretta has made good on it. They're leaving Maryland.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2013/04/05/beretta-to-leave-maryland/ (http://www.captainsjournal.com/2013/04/05/beretta-to-leave-maryland/)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 08, 2013, 03:32:00 PM
I'm glad to see firearm industry companies willing to stand by principle (and look out for their own self-interest) by leaving hostile states and taking their jobs with them.

But I can't help but feel that for the committed Leftists, these exoduses are a victory. They've chased the evil gun peddlers out of their state, achieving a victory that I don't even think will cause them a moment's consternation over the loss of jobs and tax revenue.

It's just the cost of Leftist purity, gladly paid.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 08, 2013, 03:40:19 PM

May they enjoy their Pyrrhic victory.  It will be a happy
coincidence to have major manufacturing on the right side.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on April 08, 2013, 03:40:41 PM
I'm glad to see firearm industry companies willing to stand by principle (and look out for their own self-interest) by leaving hostile states and taking their jobs with them.

But I can't help but feel that for the committed Leftists, these exoduses are a victory. They've chased the evil gun peddlers out of their state, achieving a victory that I don't even think will cause them a moment's consternation over the loss of jobs and tax revenue.

It's just the cost of Leftist purity, gladly paid.

Oh I'm sure of that. But it's still a good thing, because it's just one more aspect of the polarization. As the ideological divide in this country takes on an increasingly geographic quality, I think that only makes the showdown that much more inevitable. Any way you look at it, sides are being chosen and lines are being drawn. It's evident in every facet of society. We are truly a country approaching civil war.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 08, 2013, 03:55:07 PM

"Oh I'm sure of that. But it's still a good thing, because it's just one more aspect of the polarization. As the ideological divide in this country takes on an increasingly geographic quality,"  "I think that only makes the showdown that much more inevitable. Any way you look at it , sides are being chosen and lines are being drawn. It's evident in every facet of society. We are truly a country approaching civil war." 


(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBpsEXaZvzDjCSWS7zK29Sacn9HUCfQNtoJN_AInRqI9PcotE3pg)  Colt Competition of Oregon is moving http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/04/05/firearms-company-relocating-to-north-texas/  
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: warpmine on April 08, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
"I think that only makes the showdown that much more inevitable. Any way you look at it , sides are being chosen and lines are being drawn. It's evident in every facet of society. We are truly a country approaching civil war." 

About f**king time!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2013, 06:54:55 AM
Agreed.  I ain't getting any younger, stop diddling around already!

But the Pubbies almost ensure that the kabuki continues a bit longer...those morons actually think wer still live in a functioning Republic!

 ::gaah::

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 09, 2013, 08:20:55 AM
Survey says... (http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislation-Law-Enforcement/articles/6183787-PoliceOnes-Gun-Control-Survey-11-key-findings-on-officers-thoughts/) cops are for the most part on our side.

One of the comments suggests the cops who answered "wrong" were the ones in nice cushy offices who never walk a beat.

Quote
Five Words Explaining Obama’s Problem with Guns (http://www.imao.us/index.php/2013/04/five-words-explaining-obamas-problem-with-guns/)
Posted by Harvey: April 8, 2013 7:00 pm
[High Praise! to The Truth About Guns]

“His frustration is your freedom.”

That is really every liberals problem with you. As long as you have freedom you aren't their slave, living according to their values, and serving their agenda
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 09, 2013, 08:49:09 AM
One of the posters at the link suggested that it should read, “Your freedom is his frustration” and I agree. The first way implies that your freedom is coincident to his failure to bully his way into getting what he wants whereas the truth is that any of your freedoms that do not advance his agenda are in his cross-hairs.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2013, 11:31:51 AM
HTF can 80% agree that an armed civilian would have reduced casualties and 76.6% would agree to arm teachers reconcile with just 28.8% favoring more permissive conceal carry for civilians?  I guess only a core of 28.8% think we deserve that right, right?

And less than 50% support LEOs refusing to enforce unconstitutional crap coming from statist pricks.  I suspect that trend will continue to deteriorate.

I am not filled with joy-joy feelings people!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Meanwhile, back in the swamp...

Harry Reid “Stunned” Republicans Plan To Filibuster Gun Legislation…

I guess Harry would be stunned to learn he does have a twig & berries...sure he needs an electron microscope to know, but yeah...stunned.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/09/harry-reid-stunned-republicans-plan-to-filibuster-gun-legislation/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/09/harry-reid-stunned-republicans-plan-to-filibuster-gun-legislation/)

I hope he is truly stunned.   ;)

Meanwhile, gun-grabbing DemoNazi's like Timmy Kaine are still struggling with dropping to their knees before the Dear Leader...

(http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/Tim-Kaine-550x298.jpg)

Nice game face, Timmy.   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: warpmine on April 09, 2013, 09:19:35 PM
Meanwhile, back in the swamp...

Harry Reid “Stunned” Republicans Plan To Filibuster Gun Legislation…

I guess Harry would be stunned to learn he does have a twig & berries...sure he needs an electron microscope to know, but yeah...stunned.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/09/harry-reid-stunned-republicans-plan-to-filibuster-gun-legislation/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/09/harry-reid-stunned-republicans-plan-to-filibuster-gun-legislation/)

I hope he is truly stunned.   ;)

Meanwhile, gun-grabbing DemoNazi's like Timmy Kaine are still struggling with dropping to their knees before the Dear Leader...

(http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/Tim-Kaine-550x298.jpg)

Nice game face, Timmy.   ::hysterical::
Seriously............ ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 10, 2013, 10:54:39 AM
My, ahem, "conservative" boy, Pat Toomey is going to be the one that makes this all work
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2013, 11:07:58 AM
My, ahem, "conservative" boy, Pat Toomey is going to be the one that makes this all work

Ya might have to...ahhh...let him know what is in store for him as a result of this treasonous bilge!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 10, 2013, 11:30:09 AM
My, ahem, "conservative" boy, Pat Toomey is going to be the one that makes this all work

Drew at AoSHQ calls it "The Pat Toomey Red State Democratic Senator Protection Act".


No erosion of liberty happens without at least one republican aiding the Leftists. None.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 10, 2013, 12:46:15 PM
Push, push.
Poke.
Prod.
Classic bully behavior.
Someday, someone will push back.
Maybe
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 10, 2013, 12:49:11 PM

If it's not spontaneous en masse it will fail.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 10, 2013, 12:55:10 PM
Quote
If it's not spontaneous en masse it will fail.

You're probably right, Charles.
I don't see en masse happening.

http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/shock-the-system/ (http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/shock-the-system/)

An example of how the government could lose the conflict
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 10, 2013, 02:13:54 PM
Quote
If it's not spontaneous en masse it will fail.

You're probably right, Charles.
I don't see en masse happening.

http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/shock-the-system/ (http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/shock-the-system/)

An example of how the government could lose the conflict

The Cities are 80% libtard. If push does come to shove, you can bet they will come under direct attack as bastions of the enemy. You can bet that those who fight for their rights will have long since decided that libtards deserve no mercy, and  that they will not hesitate to destroy the infrastructure required for the Cities to survive.  There will be no reason to attack any people directly.  Attack the infrastructure and the libtards  will likely  not blame "terrorists" overly much, even with the govt propaganda telling them to - they will blame the government for not keeping them safe. For not getting them food, water, fuel and power. For not stooping the terrorists as they failed to stop these guys on ATVs.

 There are still people in hotels from Hurricane Sandy (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/30/nyregion/relying-on-hotel-rooms-for-thousands-who-were-uprooted-by-hurricane.html?_r=0)

The Libtards  will sit there on their butts waiting for help and defecating in stairwells- while most of the conservatives in the cities get the hell out of dodge to their teotwawki place, or their friend's teotwawki place. Prepping is going mainstream, and waaay more people are on the alert. Gun purchases are testimony to that.  Each day means more join.  The libtards, with their absolute faith in Obumbles will sit there and do nothing, laughing at the "paranoid" conservative neighbors  that pull out ( and rejoice they can now loot their stuff! AND get free stuff from FEMA)  Any western city without water is done, and done quickly. If you started walking the second a disaster hit LA, you could NOT walk to a new source of food or water before dying.  All cities without power for any length of time can't run pumps, can't run sewage plants, can't light the streets. Cholera and diseases will spread.  These rats will largely start killing each other if the services they rely on (and take for granted) are removed.  If a civil war occurs, all those urban little blue dots on the electoral map become incredibly dense targets with completely unhardened and defenseless infrastructure. They can't handle these disasters when forewarned of their coming, and their relief efforts are only hampered by their own incompetence.  When these things occur in multiple places, in multiple cities, and there is active resistance to any relief effort- barricaded roads, ambushed caravans, and continuing sabotage and destruction of infrastructure after repairs will paralyze them. 

And if you should think it immoral, remember that these people told you to talk to the hand when you said they were stealing from you, abusing you and ignoring your rights.  These people knowingly voted for a man who was buddies with Bill Ayers and went to a anti-white, anti-american church. Whose wife had never been proud of America.  They voted for a man who called the opposition "bitter clingers" and encouraged his supported to get in people's faces. They voted to elect a man who had proven his contempt for every traditional american institution- who could be bothered to salute the flag during the National Anthem. They voted for him anyway, just as they repeatedly  voted for the woman murdering Ted Kennedy.

Liberals  are evil , uncaring and immoral.   Those who deny the rights of others, can claim none for themselves.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 10, 2013, 02:58:04 PM

“Why expand in a place where the people who built the gun couldn’t buy it?” asked Jeffrey Reh, general counsel for Beretta, in the Blaze.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/26/gun-maker-beretta-threatens-leave-maryland-take-hu/#ixzz2Q5zlGQep (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/26/gun-maker-beretta-threatens-leave-maryland-take-hu/#ixzz2Q5zlGQep)


“Mandating firearms microstamping will restrict the ability of Remington to expand business in the Empire State. ... Worse yet, Remington could be forced to reconsider its commitment to the New York market altogether.”
                                 Stephen P. Jackson, Jr.
                                 Chief Strategy and Acquisition Integration Officer

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/20/remington-takes-on-ny-microstamping-law/#ixzz2Q60xFDJT (http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/20/remington-takes-on-ny-microstamping-law/#ixzz2Q60xFDJT)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on April 10, 2013, 04:31:55 PM

“Why expand in a place where the people who built the gun couldn’t buy it?” asked Jeffrey Reh, general counsel for Beretta, in the Blaze.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/26/gun-maker-beretta-threatens-leave-maryland-take-hu/#ixzz2Q5zlGQep (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/26/gun-maker-beretta-threatens-leave-maryland-take-hu/#ixzz2Q5zlGQep)


“Mandating firearms microstamping will restrict the ability of Remington to expand business in the Empire State. ... Worse yet, Remington could be forced to reconsider its commitment to the New York market altogether.”
                                 Stephen P. Jackson, Jr.
                                 Chief Strategy and Acquisition Integration Officer

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/20/remington-takes-on-ny-microstamping-law/#ixzz2Q60xFDJT (http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/20/remington-takes-on-ny-microstamping-law/#ixzz2Q60xFDJT)


  They need to move now!!Screw the state that would even consider doing it that will get them thinking if it comes up again.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 10, 2013, 05:09:52 PM

DUPLICITOUS (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/10/payback-in-exchange-for-toomeys-part-in-gun-control-bill-bloomberg-pulls-attack-ads-in-pennsylvania/)

Payback: In Exchange For Toomey’s Part In Gun Control Bill, Bloomberg Pulls Attack Ads In Pennsylvania – Update: Bloomy Now Running Ads Praising Toomey…
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 10, 2013, 05:14:18 PM
Toomey!

 ::mooning::

We need a flip the bird smiley
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 10, 2013, 05:25:45 PM

PTR (http://www.impactguns.com/brand-ptr-91-rifles.aspx)  of Connecticut  says (http://ptr91.com/news/ptr-to-move-from-connecticut/) it's moving out.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 10, 2013, 05:51:09 PM
Toomey!

 ::mooning::

We need a flip the bird smiley

We have one, for (preferably sparing) use when necessary to fully express ones self. It's in the more" link...

 ::doublebird::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on April 10, 2013, 06:13:12 PM

PTR (http://www.impactguns.com/brand-ptr-91-rifles.aspx)  of Connecticut  says (http://ptr91.com/news/ptr-to-move-from-connecticut/) it's moving out.


   Cabelas in East Hartford has said it's moving out and a small local gunshop(Hoffman) that's been the over 40 years has said it's moving out too.I'm in the middle of looking for a gun for my daughter so I can give it to her when she gets her cary permit.I've got my eyes on a PX4 Storm compact in 9mm for her. It's used but less than 50 rounds through it(needs the money) and I have what he needs.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 11, 2013, 06:26:20 AM

DUPLICITOUS (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/10/payback-in-exchange-for-toomeys-part-in-gun-control-bill-bloomberg-pulls-attack-ads-in-pennsylvania/)

Payback: In Exchange For Toomey’s Part In Gun Control Bill, Bloomberg Pulls Attack Ads In Pennsylvania – Update: Bloomy Now Running Ads Praising Toomey…

The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/04/senators-crack-impasse-on-gun-background-check/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/04/senators-crack-impasse-on-gun-background-check/)

Such a pleasant and non-threatening sounding thing, eh?  Yeah, when they have to lie about something so boldly you know you are being sold a false bill of goods!

And this prick Toomey has a "A" rating by the NRA?  What's that stand for?  "Asshole"?
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 11, 2013, 06:28:07 AM

PTR (http://www.impactguns.com/brand-ptr-91-rifles.aspx)  of Connecticut  says (http://ptr91.com/news/ptr-to-move-from-connecticut/) it's moving out.


Good, GTFO of these libiot states, let them die in their own filth.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on April 11, 2013, 07:58:24 AM

PTR (http://www.impactguns.com/brand-ptr-91-rifles.aspx)  of Connecticut  says (http://ptr91.com/news/ptr-to-move-from-connecticut/) it's moving out.


Good, GTFO of these libiot states, let them die in their own filth.

  I'm waiting for Colt to announce a move which has been long coming.That will shake things up.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 11, 2013, 08:45:51 AM

PTR (http://www.impactguns.com/brand-ptr-91-rifles.aspx)  of Connecticut  says (http://ptr91.com/news/ptr-to-move-from-connecticut/) it's moving out.


Good, GTFO of these libiot states, let them die in their own filth.

  I'm waiting for Colt to announce a move which has been long coming.That will shake things up.

Colt took their 30 pieces of silver. I'll see if I can find the story.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 11, 2013, 09:00:28 AM
Oops, strike that. It is Remington who was paid off to stay in New York. Colt is still a question mark.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on April 11, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
Oops, strike that. It is Remington who was paid off to stay in New York. Colt is still a question mark.

 I think remington left Conn. too.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 12, 2013, 10:31:39 PM

Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/texas-governor-connecticut-gun-maker-come-down-213053466.html) - Stag Arms (http://info.stagarms.com/default.aspx), a maker of AR-15 style rifles, is also threatening to leave the state. The companies are being wooed by officials from gun-friendlier states such as Florida and Arkansas, as well as Texas.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on April 13, 2013, 08:26:01 AM
I think S&W has a plant in Ct. also.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 14, 2013, 12:32:58 PM

The line in the sand may not be clear at first, it is quite possible that it will not have an intellectual genesis.

inchoate rage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-14/inchoate-rage)

... the more despotic the government, the greater the effort they make to “mould” public opinion to their own purposes. All such governments are intent on making it as difficult as they possibly can for their subjects to hear the truth. ...
...All such governments are intent on creating a situation in which most of their subjects would not recognise the truth if they DID hear it. This creates the perfect breeding ground for “inchoate rage”. The people know they are being lied to but lack the ability, and in many cases the inclination, to find out what the truth really is. That is why most political revolutions are so savage.
...
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 14, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
Waiting for a dumb animal to realize it doesn't have to be stupid any longer?  I am not encouraged.  The grazing will continue, sheep will die as sheep have always done so.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 14, 2013, 01:23:20 PM

He's expressing that the animal never understands what the threat is but that it eventually realizes that the discomfort is life threatening and reacts in blind rage.   
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2013, 07:02:00 AM
Could it not also be decribed as "too late"?   ::whatgives::
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2013, 07:57:09 AM
CA feels neglected, wants to get back in the news as a leading fascist gun-grabbing state -

Californians Sign Petition to Ban and Confiscate Firearms (http://www.infowars.com/californians-sign-petition-to-ban-and-confiscate-firearms/)

Morons.

Need Ben et al to get out, and then let the Big One strike.

Edited to fix broken link; IDP
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: John Florida on April 15, 2013, 08:46:53 AM
CA feels neglected, wants to get back in the news as a leading fascist gun-grabbing state -

Californians Sign Petition to Ban and Confiscate Firearms (http://www.infowars.com/californians-sign-petition-to-ban-and-confiscate-firearms/)

Morons.

Need Ben et al to get out, and then let the Big One strike.

 link stink


Edited to fix link; IDP
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2013, 11:43:29 AM
Thanks IDP!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2013, 12:08:51 PM
The Roberts Court (yes, the same one that offically ended on 6-28-12 the Republican government formed by our Founders) refuses to hear challenge on NY conceal carry gun law.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/15/supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-challenge-to-new-yorks-strict-new-gun-laws/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/15/supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-challenge-to-new-yorks-strict-new-gun-laws/)

My advice to NYer's - Eff the court and eff NY, either move out or carry anyway!

Oh, and please, somebody ban the asshat Jean F'n Kerry from returning home!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/15/john-kerry-foreign-students-scared-to-study-abroad-in-u-s-because-of-gun-violence/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/15/john-kerry-foreign-students-scared-to-study-abroad-in-u-s-because-of-gun-violence/)

"Secretary of State John Kerry told CNN Monday that foreign students are increasingly “scared” of studying abroad in the United States because of gun violence."

What a dick!  Oh, if only that statement were true!  Maybe we wouldn't have so many illegals draining resources!   ::whoohoo::

Alas, it is just another dick statement by another Obama Regime jackass...SSDD!

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: benb61 on April 15, 2013, 12:38:21 PM
I'm working on getting out (of Ca.) but it will probably take a couple of years.  Texas or Florida are the current set of options.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: warpmine on April 15, 2013, 12:39:24 PM
I'm working on getting out (of Ca.) but it will probably take a couple of years.  Texas or Florida are the current set of options.
Why so long? Pick up and leave.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 15, 2013, 12:42:47 PM

Kurry's so full of botox.  How full is he?  He's so full of botox that he looks like a painted cardboard face with an open hole where human lips are inserted for comedic affect.  
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: benb61 on April 15, 2013, 12:46:17 PM
I'm working on getting out (of Ca.) but it will probably take a couple of years.  Texas or Florida are the current set of options.
Why so long? Pick up and leave.

Need to stay employed! 
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 15, 2013, 12:52:05 PM

Ben, you sound like one of those greedy white capitalists who think it's his responsibility to provide for his family and himself.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 15, 2013, 12:57:36 PM
I'm working on getting out (of Ca.) but it will probably take a couple of years.  Texas or Florida are the current set of options.
Why so long? Pick up and leave.

Need to stay employed! 

Go on the dole.  File for disability.
I still have a job, but I won't be looking for another if I loose it.

Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: warpmine on April 15, 2013, 01:01:17 PM
I'm working on getting out (of Ca.) but it will probably take a couple of years.  Texas or Florida are the current set of options.
Why so long? Pick up and leave.

Need to stay employed!  
Take a vacation and start looking for work elsewhere or live with the possibility of the inevitable.
I know it sounds easy from my end. Personally, I travel daily to the place of former residence for contractual building work thus risking death amongst the zombies in MD.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: benb61 on April 15, 2013, 01:16:09 PM

Ben, you sound like one of those greedy white capitalists who think it's his responsibility to provide for his family and himself.


I do sound an awful lot like that.  Damn those morals and responsibility!
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Glock32 on April 15, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
They've made work into something for suckers. For a long time conservatives made a point of swimming against the tide on stuff like that, out of self-respect if nothing else. But it's now just an exercise in futility, and becoming another leech on the system will ultimately help kill it faster. I advocate that everyone siphon every last cent you can get. Get your 99 weeks of unemployment, then switch over to disability. It's what literally millions have done since 2008.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2013, 06:17:18 PM
The real zombies are we suckers with a work ethic that allow this dysfunctional system to live!  I am with Weisshaupt, I lose this job I'll take a nothing job at best to just eek by and grab what freebies I can in the hope that the bloody system crashes sooner rather than later.  The disincentive nature of socialism has always been its Achilles heel.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2013, 07:39:10 PM
More wise words of warning...will anybody pay heed?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/marylands_second_amendment_nightmare_coming_soon_to_a_state_near_you.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/marylands_second_amendment_nightmare_coming_soon_to_a_state_near_you.html)
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 15, 2013, 08:24:37 PM

The sorting begins.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2013, 07:05:24 AM
The vile Manchin-Toomey anti-Second Amendment bill is running into trouble in the Senate, yeah, may the trouble only be beginning for these fascists!

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-bill-in-peril-90117.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-bill-in-peril-90117.html)

And BloomingIdiot really cannot resist saying the most radical anti-American bullsh*t, can he?

“Number two, I would argue if you want to sell your gun to your son, maybe you have a problem in your family,”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bloomberg-if-you-sell-gun-your-son-theres-something-wrong-your-family (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bloomberg-if-you-sell-gun-your-son-theres-something-wrong-your-family)

The fascist streak in this psycho is widening daily...

And doesn't that statement give great weight to the very real and imminent threat that the Left does in fact wish to define "mental illness" to include ANYTHING that allows them to seize your guns?!

People need to yell in unison "Never" to these fascists or become slaves in their world.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: warpmine on April 16, 2013, 07:15:57 AM
The vile Manchin-Toomey anti-Second Amendment bill is running into trouble in the Senate, yeah, may the trouble only be beginning for these fascists!

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-bill-in-peril-90117.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-bill-in-peril-90117.html)

And BloomingIdiot really cannot resist saying the most radical anti-American bullsh*t, can he?

“Number two, I would argue if you want to sell your gun to your son, maybe you have a problem in your family,”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bloomberg-if-you-sell-gun-your-son-theres-something-wrong-your-family (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bloomberg-if-you-sell-gun-your-son-theres-something-wrong-your-family)

The fascist streak in this psycho is widening daily...

And doesn't that statement give great weight to the very real and imminent threat that the Left does in fact wish to define "mental illness" to include ANYTHING that allows them to seize your guns?!

People need to yell in unison "Never" to these fascists or become slaves in their world.
The rich SOB fails to realize that most of us gun toting idiots know what good judgement means. We've been taking care of our families so we can see who's with it and who ain't. It's called personal responsibility and since wipes like home delegate others to look after their families while raking normal everyday Americans over the coals to sweat every dollar from their wallet.

If any of my two children hint of mental illness, I'm certainly not going to give a weapon to them but perish the thought when it comes to liberals who believe in state responsibility.
Title: Re: The Line in the Sand
Post by: Libertas on May 31, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
Californicators continue down the full-retard road - http://weaselzippers.us/2013/05/31/commie-california-senate-passes-dem-bill-mandating-background-checks-for-purchase-of-ammunition/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/05/31/commie-california-senate-passes-dem-bill-mandating-background-checks-for-purchase-of-ammunition/)

 ::mooning::