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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #180 on: May 02, 2011, 01:26:19 PM »
Now I'm hearing the second guy who gave us the name of the courier was a detainee subjected to rendition at one of the secret CIA foreign intelligence installation.  Could this be a 2-for-1 vindication for both Gitmo and secret rendition?!

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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #181 on: May 02, 2011, 01:29:15 PM »
Now I'm hearing the second guy who gave us the name of the courier was a detainee subjected to rendition at one of the secret CIA foreign intelligence installation.  Could this be a 2-for-1 vindication for both Gitmo and secret rendition?!

 Does it matter the left was against both till his highness took office.
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« Reply #182 on: May 02, 2011, 01:33:43 PM »
What do you think they plugged his ass with? A 5.56mm from a M4 carbine, or 9mm from a MP5 submachine gun? If it was a 5.56 the whole back of his rag-covered head would've been blown off.

I repeat: pics!  ::cool::
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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #183 on: May 02, 2011, 01:36:02 PM »
I was able to avoid have to listen to the F-stick in Chief last night.  Today, there's clips all over the radio.

It's to  ::laserkill::

I need a nap.
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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #184 on: May 02, 2011, 01:55:07 PM »
What do you think they plugged his ass with? A 5.56mm from a M4 carbine, or 9mm from a MP5 submachine gun? If it was a 5.56 the whole back of his rag-covered head would've been blown off.

I repeat: pics!  ::cool::

Indeed.  Sometimes SpecOp's like 6.8SPC too, that'd make a nice set of exit wounds!

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« Reply #185 on: May 02, 2011, 01:56:36 PM »
I was able to avoid have to listen to the F-stick in Chief last night.  Today, there's clips all over the radio.

It's to  ::laserkill::

I need a nap.

I know.  All I have to do is hear his damned voice and I can barely stand it!

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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #186 on: May 02, 2011, 02:18:48 PM »
I was able to avoid have to listen to the F-stick in Chief last night.  Today, there's clips all over the radio.

It's to  ::laserkill::

I need a nap.

I know.  All I have to do is hear his damned voice and I can barely stand it!

 ::gaah::
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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #187 on: May 02, 2011, 02:27:21 PM »
From The Daily Mail:

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Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of bin Laden.

9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi.

Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney defended waterboarding in 2008 after it was authorised for use on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and two other accused Al Qaeda members during 2002 and 2003.

The libs who are now gleefully ridiculing Bush for not nabbing him were the same ones calling for him and Cheney to be tried at The Hague for treating these barbarian scumbags like barbarian scumbags.
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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #188 on: May 02, 2011, 02:37:33 PM »
The Democrats and especially Obama keep talking about "Unity". Last night he said we should try to remember how great it was when we were all unified after 911.

First, we weren't all unified. The UFPJ and the ANSWER Network who later would become responsible for all of the major anti-war protests (including opposition to Afghanistan) called  a meeting in lower Manhattan just blocks from the still smoldering WTC 3 days after 911. They developed a plan to oppose the imminent response by the US government. One of those rallies in Chicago, featured Barack Obama who made his now famous anti-war speech that acted as his primary tool to bludgeon Hillary Clinton out of the Oval Office. No, not everyone was unified and Obama exploited that by siding with the ones who threw stumbling blocks in front of our military and our President.

Second, Why is he so hungry for unity? Its pretty clear he doesn't want unity based on love of our country. He wants unity for support of him. Sounds like projection. Wasn't Bush accused of trying to use war to gin up patriotism to profit for himself personally.

Third, how did we become dis-unified? The pivot point that made the Answer Network lefties go viral was Howard Dean firing up the netroots in 2003 and when he proved a candidate could make money lying about our President and using Vietnam era anti-military rants, greed and lust for power flipped every major Democrat, except Joe Lieberman (who was crucified for it). Obama portrayed himself as being at the forefront of the anti-war Democrats.

Today is a day to remember that Gitmo, Rendition, remaining in Iraq and Afghanistan, drone attacks, military tribunals, sending commandos into a sovereign nation and an endless list of once demonic policies are now the tools Obama and his political allies are claiming will propel him to a second term and a fast track to sainthood. He is asking for unity based on policies that he criticized in order to win the Presidency that he now is trying to prop up as the primary reason for him to be re-elected.

I went to the Answer coalition website and UFPJ. Any mention of disaproval with the operation that killed OBL? Not a peep.

Just like Clinton's wag the dog, his military operations are based on domestic political approval ratings to keep him in power, period. You can bomb anyone, wiretap anyone, invade anyone, as long as it serves the purpose of keeping a socialist in power in America.

When Obama calls for unity based on a successful military operation after all of the disunity he has sown, I can't help but be reminded of an old joke.

A farmer and his wife were driving through town in their pickup and noticed a young couple in a similar truck. The young couple were sitting close together and the man had his arm around his woman. The wife said, "Its been a many years since we did that. Why don't we do that anymore?" The husband said, "In all these years, I've never moved".

Obama wants Unity? Bush was criticized for being stubborn for sticking to his original mission. Bush never moved.
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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #189 on: May 02, 2011, 02:38:09 PM »
From The Daily Mail:

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Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of bin Laden.

9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi.

Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney defended waterboarding in 2008 after it was authorised for use on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and two other accused Al Qaeda members during 2002 and 2003.

The libs who are now gleefully ridiculing Bush for not nabbing him were the same ones calling for him and Cheney to be tried at The Hague for treating these barbarian scumbags like barbarian scumbags.

Lies, damn lies...and the there's leftists!
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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #190 on: May 02, 2011, 02:56:59 PM »
And I'm starting to believe all this Pakistaaaaaan knew nothing about this is BS all this is is us giving cover to somebody inside the Paki government. There is no way that we just went into Pakistaaan and crossed into their air space and had a 40 minute fire fight and flew back out un challenged is nuts. In day to come we will start to hear that Pakistaaaan is on fire over this as they start to piece it together in the AQ organization.

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« Reply #191 on: May 02, 2011, 03:09:44 PM »
There is some speculation that the recent 650 million pound "aid" given to Pakistan by Britain was actually a bribe to enable this operation. Who knows? It's as plausible as anything. Pakistan is deeply interwoven into Islamism.
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« Reply #192 on: May 02, 2011, 03:42:47 PM »
There is some speculation that the recent 650 million pound "aid" given to Pakistan by Britain was actually a bribe to enable this operation. Who knows? It's as plausible as anything. Pakistan is deeply interwoven into Islamism.

 The money came from the Brits so it doesn't point to us? Makes as much sense as any other theory.
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« Reply #193 on: May 02, 2011, 03:43:59 PM »
And I'm starting to believe all this Pakistaaaaaan knew nothing about this is BS all this is is us giving cover to somebody inside the Paki government. There is no way that we just went into Pakistaaan and crossed into their air space and had a 40 minute fire fight and flew back out un challenged is nuts. In day to come we will start to hear that Pakistaaaan is on fire over this as they start to piece it together in the AQ organization.

 We had help even if it was in the form of silence.

Right.  
Envision, in a neighborhood of military retirees right next to West Point a forty minute firefight going silent.  
I can't either.

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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #194 on: May 02, 2011, 03:51:56 PM »
And I'm starting to believe all this Pakistaaaaaan knew nothing about this is BS all this is is us giving cover to somebody inside the Paki government. There is no way that we just went into Pakistaaan and crossed into their air space and had a 40 minute fire fight and flew back out un challenged is nuts. In day to come we will start to hear that Pakistaaaan is on fire over this as they start to piece it together in the AQ organization.

 We had help even if it was in the form of silence.

Right.  
Envision, in a neighborhood of military retirees right next to West Point a forty minute firefight.  I can't either.



I would think that if Pakistan was given any notice about the operation it was probably about ten or fifteen minutes before it had boots on the ground. There is every reason to believe that if Pakistan had any more prior knowledge of the attack then OBL would have been long gone by the time we got there.

I see no reason why we could not get into a "third world country but with nukes" covertly.

If the operation took place entirely within the compound then any Pakistani military types (active or retired) would have had to deal with the semi-impregnable walls that surrounded the place.

All speculation though, eh?
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« Reply #195 on: May 02, 2011, 03:57:14 PM »

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All speculation though, eh?

For sure.

Another thought about the noise, noise suppressors and surprise.  There may not have been as much clatter as I originally speculated.  Is that sound suppression of rotors a movie accessory or a reality?


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« Reply #196 on: May 02, 2011, 04:01:15 PM »
And I'm starting to believe all this Pakistaaaaaan knew nothing about this is BS all this is is us giving cover to somebody inside the Paki government. There is no way that we just went into Pakistaaan and crossed into their air space and had a 40 minute fire fight and flew back out un challenged is nuts. In day to come we will start to hear that Pakistaaaan is on fire over this as they start to piece it together in the AQ organization.

 We had help even if it was in the form of silence.

Right.  
Envision, in a neighborhood of military retirees right next to West Point a forty minute firefight.  I can't either.



I would think that if Pakistan was given any notice about the operation it was probably about ten or fifteen minutes before it had boots on the ground. There is every reason to believe that if Pakistan had any more prior knowledge of the attack then OBL would have been long gone by the time we got there.

I see no reason why we could not get into a "third world country but with nukes" covertly.

If the operation took place entirely within the compound then any Pakistani military types (active or retired) would have had to deal with the semi-impregnable walls that surrounded the place.

All speculation though, eh?


 they may be a turd world contry but they have an airforce and they have Radar and a population that would have heard something and called even the local cops. But nobody showed up to help. Trap they suddenly went mum. They may have been threatened into keeping away. I don't know anything for sure but I know somethin is wrong and soon the AQ types will be seeing too if they already haven't and we may see leaders in Pakistaaan may start to die off.
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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #197 on: May 02, 2011, 04:03:02 PM »

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All speculation though, eh?

For sure.

Another thought about the noise, noise suppressors and surprise.  There may not have been as much clatter as I originally speculated.  Is that sound suppression of rotors a movie accessory or a reality?



 It's real but it doesn't work at close quarter there has to be a distance to the ground. Suppression or not when those things get close the house shakes like an earth quake.
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Re: Toonces Makes Late Night National Address (Bin Laden Is DEAD)
« Reply #198 on: May 02, 2011, 04:06:27 PM »
What I can't imagine is a walled compound being constructed within a few hundred yards of a nation's #1 military academy (they keep likening it to the Pakistani version of Britain's Sandhurst) without somebody from the military/government wanting to know what it was. Whose property? Who lives there? Why the fortifications? The only sensible conclusion as far as I'm concerned is that the Pakistanis knew exactly what it was and were tacitly protecting its residents by allowing it to be so close to their own facilities.

Bin Laden still had access to a lot of money. They said he spent a few years moving from village to village in Waziristan. Upon reaching a new village he would request a meeting with the local honcho and pay a substantial bribe. The very few locals who agreed to report on his movements were always later found sans head. So it's within reason to think he was bribing some key figures in the Pakistani government, plus the more troubling thing is that the Pakis largely sympathize with OBL. They're for damn sure no "allies".
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« Reply #199 on: May 02, 2011, 04:10:16 PM »

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So it's within reason to think he was bribing some key figures in the Pakistani government, plus the more troubling thing is that the Pakis largely sympathize with OBL. They're for damn sure no "allies".

This could be used strategically with the Pakis to lever a bit of fear and more. 
Too bad Prez is into submission.