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ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« on: October 15, 2011, 08:13:15 AM »
Health overhaul law suffers first major casualty

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration's signature health overhaul law, under relentless assault by Republicans [has absolutely NOTHING to do with the story], has suffered its first major casualty — a long-term care insurance plan.

The program, expected to launch in 2012, had been dogged from the beginning by doubts over its financial solvency.

Proponents, including many groups that fought to pass the health care law, have vowed a vigorous effort to rescue the program, insisting that Congress gave the administration broad authority to make changes. Long-term care includes not only nursing homes, but such services as home health aides for disabled people.

"This is a victory for the American taxpayer and future generations," said Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., spearheading opposition in the Senate. "The administration is finally admitting (the long-term care plan) is unsustainable and cannot be implemented."

Known as CLASS, the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program was a long-standing priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.

Although sponsored by the government, it was supposed to function as a self-sustaining voluntary insurance plan, open to working adults regardless of age or health. Workers would pay an affordable monthly premium during their careers and could collect a modest daily cash benefit of at least $50 if they became disabled later in life. The money could go for services at home or to help with nursing home bills.

But a central design flaw dogged CLASS. Unless large numbers of healthy people willingly sign up during their working years, soaring premiums driven by the needs of disabled beneficiaries would destabilize it, eventually requiring a taxpayer bailout.

After months insisting that could be fixed, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius finally acknowledged Friday she doesn't see how.

"Despite our best analytical efforts, I do not see a viable path forward for CLASS implementation at this time," Sebelius said in a letter to congressional leaders.


The law required the administration to certify that CLASS would remain financially solvent for 75 years before it could be put into place.

But officials said they discovered they could not make CLASS both affordable and financially solvent while keeping it a voluntary program open to virtually all workers, as the law also required.

Monthly premiums would have ranged from $235 to $391, even as high as $3,000 under some scenarios, the administration said. At those prices, healthy people were unlikely to sign up. Suggested changes aimed at discouraging enrollment by people in poor health could have opened the program to court challenges, officials said.

"If healthy purchasers are not attracted ... then premiums will increase, which will make it even more unattractive to purchasers who could also obtain policies in the private market," Kathy Greenlee, the lead official on CLASS, said in a memo to Sebelius. That "would cause the program to quickly collapse."

That's the same conclusion a top government expert reached in 2009. Nearly a year before the health care law passed, Richard Foster, head of long-range economic forecasts for Medicare, warned administration and congressional officials that CLASS would be unworkable. His warnings were disregarded, as President Barack Obama declared his support for adding the long-term care plan to his health care bill.

The demise of CLASS immediately touched off speculation about its impact on the federal budget. Although no premiums are likely to be collected, the program still counts as reducing the federal deficit by about $80 billion over the next 10 years. That's because of a rule that would have required workers to pay in for at least five years before they could collect any benefits.

"The CLASS Act was a budget gimmick that might enhance the numbers on a Washington bureaucrat's spreadsheet but was destined to fail in the real world," said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Administration officials said Obama's next budget would reflect the decision not to go forward. Even without CLASS premiums, they said the health care law will still reduce the deficit by more than $120 billion over 10 years.

Kennedy's original idea was to give families some financial breathing room. Most families cannot afford to hire a home health aide for a frail elder, let alone pay nursing home bills. Care is usually provided by family members, often a spouse who may also have health problems.

"We're disappointed that (Sebelius) has prematurely stated she does not see a path forward," AARP, the seniors lobby, said in a statement. "The need for long-term care will only continue to grow."

Sebelius said the administration wants to work with Congress and supporters of the program to find a solution. But in a polarized political climate, it appears unlikely that CLASS can be salvaged. Congressional Republicans remain committed to its repeal.
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2011, 08:17:34 AM »
And in related news...

GOP will move to repeal CLASS Act

Republicans on Capitol Hill are having an I-told-you-so moment after the Obama administration admitted late Friday that the CLASS Act, a major component of Obamacare, is unworkable.

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Given the Obama administration's new position, it would be hard for Democrats to vote against repealing CLASS.  But other than one tax-related section (the so-called 1099 provision), Democrats have been loathe to touch Obamacare, lest they open the door to continued Republicans efforts to dismantle the health care law.  So repeal could be an embarrassing vote.  In addition, repealing CLASS would cut in half the amount of money by which Obamacare is supposed to cut the deficit -- even though deficit-cutting projections have been mostly discredited in the year and a half since Obamacare was passed.  The bottom line is that repealing CLASS would force Democrats to admit that a significant part of their signature legislative achievement was fatally flawed.  That's why Republicans will push hard for it.
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2011, 08:34:39 AM »
With preimiums that high it's easy for most to see it as what it is, another ponzi program. This was a simple acknowledgement to liberals that unless government funds it directly it'll never get off the ground. Next time, they'll make the attempt to skip this type of funding and force it all via hidden taxes just like theyndo everything else. Anyway three cheers! ::newyear::
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2011, 02:05:22 PM »
"Unless large numbers of healthy people willingly sign up..."

Uhh, duh!  Effing told ya so!

Leftard's!

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And yeah, Ponzi scheme...how is this fact - "soaring premiums driven by the needs of disabled beneficiaries would destabilize it" not penetrate their skulls?  Because it is the same effing thing bankrupting SocSec!

They are one-trick commie ponies!  They know stealing and lies and nothing else...just shut the eff up and give them the power and do what they say!  Reality be damned!

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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2011, 06:55:05 PM »
A modest daily benefit of at least $50?  How long would that last before long people would be clamoring for an increase in benefits?
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2011, 07:28:22 PM »
The whole damned thing need to go down in flames and him strapped to it.
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 11:21:31 AM »
What's this, phantom savings? Say it ain't so!

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The Congressional Budget Office made quite an admission this morning on a key component of ObamaCare, after the White House signaled that it would abandon it.  In an e-mail sent to members of Congress, the CBO said that repealing CLASS would create no budgetary impact after the White House’s reversal, allowing Congress to repeal it without finding budgetary offsets for the supposed savings found by the CBO in 2010.

But we won't be hearing about any of this on ABC or CNN now will we?
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 11:50:53 AM »

Just got a letter from Doctors Office - affective Jan 1, we will no longer accept any Medicare Advantage Plans.


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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 12:25:39 PM »
That's no surprise Charles...it's what was being said back when Pelosi and Reid were shoving Obamacare down our throats. Expect more such things to come. Now the question I'd really like to see asked in the media - and answered is: Just how much money did this waste of legislation cost us from the time it was shoved up our collective a$$es until the day it gets repealed. I suspect somewhere in the hundreds of millions completely wasted on implementing it, seeing it didn't work and repealing it in the span of three-four years.

Of course I'm not going to hold my breath because we'll likely never know...but if the media did their jobs, the public would be aware of just such wastes of taxpayer monies as this.
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 12:41:26 PM »
" ... the WH signaled it would abandon CLASS"?  What is "abandon"?  They're not going to try and defend it in the case of attempted repeal?  This legislation can be repealed in pieces?  What if it can't?

So, they're going to simply not enforce the law?  Tsk, what am I saying; they already do that on a piecemeal basis.
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 01:03:47 PM »
Can "We the People"  hold anyone accountable for such frivolous waste by out representatives???  I would love to see someone do some time over this.  Maybe the "we have to pass it in order to know whats in it" lady or her bestest friend from Nevada.  Or maybe even that idiot from Chicago.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2011, 01:20:44 PM »
It would certainly be nice benb61! At this point in our history I'm afraid I have to agree with Neal Boortz...the democrat party has indeed done more damage to this country than the terrorists did on 9/11 (not in regards to lives lost, but in all other areas...).
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2011, 02:54:43 PM »
Obama sends his supporters some pretty mixed signals...and for that matter, the rest of the freaking country too!


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"President Obama is against repealing the health law's long-term care CLASS Act and might veto Republican efforts to do so, an administration official tells The Hill, despite the government's announcement Friday that the program was dead in the water.

"We do not support repeal," the official said Monday. "Repealing the CLASS Act isn't necessary or productive. What we should be doing is working together to address the long-term care challenges we face in this country."
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2011, 05:01:16 PM »
Just get rid of the whole damn thing. ::gaah::
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2011, 05:15:24 PM »
Just get rid of the whole damn thing. ::gaah::

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2011, 06:17:58 PM »
Just get rid of the whole damn thing. ::gaah::

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2011, 09:37:02 PM »
What about that $50/day figure? Suppose inflation rate is steady at 10% what's that going to be worth in ten years and then twenty years. I don't know about you but it ain't likey to do anything more than pay for a Tylenol and someone to hand you a glass of water. ::laughonfloor::
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2011, 09:52:30 PM »
Obama sends his supporters some pretty mixed signals...and for that matter, the rest of the freaking country too!


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"President Obama is against repealing the health law's long-term care CLASS Act and might veto Republican efforts to do so, an administration official tells The Hill, despite the government's announcement Friday that the program was dead in the water.

"We do not support repeal," the official said Monday. "Repealing the CLASS Act isn't necessary or productive. What we should be doing is working together to address the long-term care challenges we face in this country."


 Mixed signals are his stocking trade.He keeps everybody looking all over and so many balls are in the air at the same time you can't see the one he really wants to hide.
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Re: ObamaCare suffers devastating blow
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2011, 02:50:15 PM »
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/dem-scolds-hhs-abandoning-class-act

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"I refuse to give up on CLASS just as I refuse to give up on health care reform," Pallone said in his opening statement at a hearing held by the House Energy and Commerce Committee. "I'm tired of the Republican rhetoric that says Congress and government in general can't do anything. And, I certainly don't think that HHS should play into the same theme."

He went on to say that, "I suggest that the Department go back to the drawing board, be optimistic and come up with a plan that implements CLASS."

Some people just don't seem to grasp the notion that Obamacare is an EPIC FAIL and are stubbornly still trying to make it work it seems.
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2011, 02:53:17 PM »
They want it, period.  They want the control.  And if it doesn't comport with reality, they will twist reality until it does.  One way or another.
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