Topic: The upcoming Ohio Ballot Issues

[BMG]

http://pjmedia.com/blog/no-on-ohio-ballot-issues-means-yes-to-obama-agenda/?singlepage=true

On Tuesday, November 8 — actually, during the weeks leading up to November 8, thanks to the travesty known as “early voting” – Ohioans have been and will be voting on two crucial ballot issues. One of the results will largely determine whether the Buckeye State continues to be governed like a heading-towards-broke blue state — as it was for over 15 years before current Governor John Kasich took office — or a recovering red one. Both could heavily influence the red or blue direction of the entire nation.

[Libertas]

People in Ohio better get their game on!

[Sectionhand]

People in Ohio better get their game on!

We in Ohio need to vote "yes" on issues 2 , 3 and 5 if we're ever going to get our fiscal house in order and break the hammer lock of public sector unions . Members of the Ohio House and Senate have promised that if the issues fail they'll be on the ballot again !

[Libertas]

I know a couple people in that state who will help you out.

Hope there is lots more!

[BMG]

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d84f9388-087b-11e1-9fe8-00144feabdc0.html

The campaign has seen a flurry of emotive television advertisements, one of which goes so far as to call the law a life-and-death issue, claiming that it could hamper efforts to hire more firefighters.

That appeal seems to be working. Opinion polls indicate Tuesday’s vote will result in a resounding “No”.

According to this article we're looking at bad news in Ohio come Tuesday. If the socialists win this it would amount to them having won in Wisconsin a few months back. It's a very big deal and I haven't been seeing much reported on it. It will embolden the socialists to a high degree elsewhere in the country and as this story points out, may well mean that Ohio is lost to the democrats for the 2012 elections.

Guess we'll see what happens on Tuesday.

[Sectionhand]

First , the issue hasn't been sold well or explained properly . Second , the opponents have made their case through distortion and outright lies . We'll have to start all over again after the first of the year and get it on the ballot again for Nov. 2012 .

[Libertas]

All they ever have is distortion and lies, regardless of the issue!  How in God's name can anyone be caught flat-footed by them anymore?!

 

 

[BMG]

Gotta agree Libertas. Unfortunately it seems that poor preparation on the part of the Republicans may have lost us the Ohio electoral votes in 2012...if these stories I've been reading lately are any indication. Furthermore, this poor planning by the Republicans resulting in a defeat in Ohio may well have also cost us big in other states simply due to the 'aid and comfort' that winning this fight now in Ohio will give to the democrats elsewhere.

                                            

[Libertas]

 

Gosh, and Ohio is never a battleground, is it?!

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[Glock32]

Well, there you have it. Face it, the Takers simply outnumber the Makers.

[Pandora]

So, what are the results?  Early results?  What have y'all got?

[Glock32]

The unions won. The trumpeting of how this means the Tea Party movement is dead is already being regurgitated in all the media outlets.

[Pandora]

The unions won.

On all three issues?

[Sectionhand]

The unions won.

On all three issues?

No . They won on Issue 2 which was the most important . The biggest part of Issue 2 was an attempt to make public employees pay a share of their health insurance and retirement funding . The Public Employees Unions were able to turn it into a false argument that all employees would lose their bargaining power and that the state and localities would be forced to fire cops , firemen and teachers which is absolute bullsh*t .

I think if we come back next year with a simple ballot issue requiring state employees to pay a specified percentage of the health and retirement benefits and explain it in simple terms that the private sector can understand , it will probably pass . As it is/was , Issue 2 was badly sold . Unions both in Ohio and outside the state were able to pump millions of $$ into the campaign against it . The issue was defeated by lies , thuggery and muscle-money .

[IronDioPriest]

They should pass a new law; a tweaked version of the old one. They're getting run out of office anyway, they might as well do the right thing, which is what they were trying to do in the first place.

[Libertas]

They should pass a new law; a tweaked version of the old one. They're getting run out of office anyway, they might as well do the right thing, which is what they were trying to do in the first place.

Yup.  No use saving ammo, use it or lose it.

[ToddF]

The unions won. The trumpeting of how this means the Tea Party movement is dead is already being regurgitated in all the media outlets.

Well, the tea party is dead

Unless we've found a way to fund exponentially increasing government with unicorn farts.

[AmericanPatriot]

Hawk, I agree that the Tea Party is dead
It died in 2010 but never really had a chance to survive

[ToddF]

I meant that as a joke. 

My relatives, who have never been political, but were woke up by the suicidal move we've taken as a society, have not gone back to sleep.

Despite every J-School retard declaring this "victory" as an Obama re-election shoo-in, Jindal (yes I know RINO RINO RINO) still won something like 65-15.

What I am serious about, is that only way the dumbass leftists can call this a win, is if they can now magically create money funding this.  They can't. 

[AmericanPatriot]

Hawk, I wasn't joking
The high water mark was the 2010 elections where 80+ new republican congressmen were elected.
What has been the result of that?
At best, 20 or so reflect tea party values.

Who, of the top 6 candidates for president reflects Tea Party values?
Maybe we should look at the effect on the states?
Not much there either.

Why aren't we marching on Washington and demanding Boehner and McConnell's resignation?

Maybe we can do something on local school boards