Topic: Light Bulb Ban...It's Here (Thanks, Idiot Republicans)

[charlesoakwood]

What kind of 2x4 is needed to get these people's attention?

I'm thinking more along the lines of something in a tubular shape and made of metal...

Forged steel? 
                       Model T Ford axle?
                                                      The Kazoo river.
                                                                                   
   

[Libertas]

Definitely forged!

 

[Pandora]

Not so fast, mateys:

New light bulb efficiency standards will begin phasing in on Jan. 1 despite intense opposition from conservatives, who have blasted the rules as a textbook unnecessary federal regulation.

While Republicans secured inclusion of a measure blocking funding for enforcement of the standards in a year-end spending bill, energy efficiency groups say the provision will have little practical impact. The Energy Department rules will nonetheless go into effect at the start of 2012.

"The [spending bill] cut funding for enforcement, however the law is still in effect," said Jack Gillis, spokesman for the Consumer Federation of America. "It is our expectation that companies will still comply with the law."

Steven Nadel, executive director of the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, said companies have been preparing for the new light bulb efficiency standards since Congress passed the 2007 energy law requiring traditional incandescent light bulbs to be 30 percent more efficient starting in 2012.

“The major manufacturers have already made the investments to follow the law,” he said. “They’re law-abiding companies who aren’t going to break the law.”

The GOP-backed measure to cut funding for enforcing the light bulb standards “probably is not going to have much impact,” Nadel said.

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While the measure prevents DOE from enforcing the standards through fiscal year 2012, Nadel said that states can still require companies to follow the efficiency rules.

Gillis, of the Consumer Federation of America, added that individual companies can pressure other companies to comply with the standards in order to keep a level playing field.

He said the light bulb standards got caught up in a growing wave of Republican disdain for federal regulations.

“The bottom line is the light bulb became a political victim,” Gillis said. “It was portrayed as an example of overzealous regulation, when in fact none of that is actually true.”

Inclusion of the measure blocking funding for the light bulb standards in the broader year-end spending bill was a political victory for Republicans, who have been targeting the regulations for months.

Republicans often describe the standards as a “light bulb ban,” arguing that the rules would greatly restrict consumer choice by pushing out traditional incandescent bulbs in favor of more expensive, but more efficient, LED (light emitting diode) and CFL (compact fluorescent light) bulbs.

Environmental and energy-efficiency groups note that the standards do not ban incandescent bulbs, but instead require them to be more efficient. While more efficient light bulbs are often more expensive at the point of sale, experts say they save consumers money on their electricity bills over the long term.

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/201687-despite-gop-opposition-light-bulb-standards-to-phase-in-on-jan-1?page=1#comments

f**king fascisti!!

[trapeze]

Environmental and energy-efficiency groups note that the standards do not ban incandescent bulbs...

No, of course not. And university speech codes do not ban the 1st Amendment. Not explicitly.

Like PC speech, the light bulb ban is a "de facto" ban. Typical left wing subterfuge. Lies and deceit will serve as well as anything else to further their designs.

[LadyVirginia]

“The major manufacturers have already made the investments to follow the law,” he said. “They’re law-abiding companies who aren’t going to break the law.”


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Gillis, of the Consumer Federation of America, added that individual companies can pressure other companies to comply with the standards in order to keep a level playing field.

 

[trapeze]

UPDATE:

75 watt incandescent light bulb RIP. As of today they may no longer be manufactured or imported. You may remember that the 100 watt incandescent bulb died last year. The 60 and 40 watt bulbs are scheduled to die soon. Land of the freedom and liberty.

(I might go out and buy up a few more cartons to top off my decades long supply)

Have fun trying to use CFLs with a dimmer switch.

Actually, there is a work around. "Rough service" bulbs are not covered by the ban and there is an enterprising person somewhere in the country who is making these bulbs. Of course, they cost two to three times as much as standard bulbs but at least the option is there.

[Libertas]

And even when those stocks run out I'll burn candles before I use their overpriced effing toxic commie bulbs!

 

[trapeze]

Masterminds do it again.

Money saving, compact fluorescent light bulbs emit high levels of ultra violet radiation, according to a new study. Research at Long Island’s Stony Brook found that the bulbs emit rays so strong that they can actually burn skin and skin cells.

“The results were that you could actually initiate cell death,” said Marcia Simon, a Professor of Dermatology.

Exposure to the bulbs could lead to premature aging and skin cancer, according to doctors.


“It can also cause skin cancer in the deadliest for, and that’s melanoma,” said Dr. Rebecca Tung.

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[IronDioPriest]

I hate government and the politicians that populate it. I really, really hate them. Bad.

[Libertas]

Lets tie them all down and turn these lights upon them until they repent...they probably won't so...let 'em cook...

[LadyVirginia]

Pretty soon the AD Council along with whatever government agency will be running ads telling us to wear sunscreen 24/7.  Of course, they won't say it's because of these bulbs.

[Weisshaupt]

Actually, being on Solar, I switched to all LEDs.. Phillips makes some great ones now.. the light is really close to the color you are used to  from the incandescent bulbs.. Of course they cost a good deal more, but unlike the CCFls, the technology is such that these might very well last for 20 years ( over the  year and I haven't lost any. I even dropped one and busted its outershell  and it still works, broken glass safely inside a overhead light fixture..) Look at your stereo equipment. How old is it? Lost any LEDs on it yet?  These are higher power, but are essentially the same solid state technology.This may be the one time the greenies are right about something being better ( but I note they keep pushing the crappy, cheaper, poisonous CCFLs)

No, I am not defending anything these pols have done. The choice to switch should be yours, not theirs,  but the technology is there now to allow a switch .. especially if you have any bulbs you can't reach or hate replacing and you can afford it.  You don't run out and replace them all at once, because that WILL cost a small fortune,  but as each one in your house goes, pick up a new LED to replace it - and take them with you if you move. Leave  CCFLs for the new owner.

For a 50 Watt replacement use:
8A19/END/450LM/27/DIMM: p/n 409938; EnduraLED 8W 2700K A19 Dimmable
They look a little like eggs when off - the yellow LED filter can clearly be seen inside the white shell. When on they look just like an incandescent bulb.  I paid $25  a piece - and they still seem to cost that much http://www.amazon.com/Philips-409938-8-Watt-Household-Dimmable/dp/B004VM8B4U/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357317709&sr=1-2&keywords=EnduraLED+8W+2700K+A19+Dimmable

for 60 Watts:
12A19/END/800LM/2700 120V: P/N 409946; 12W 120V 25000HR WARM WHITE CRI: 80 - Philips EnduraLED 800 Series A19 Dimmable LED Lamp - these are $15 bucks now at Amazon (I paid $25)
http://www.amazon.com/PHILIPS-A-Shape-Dimmable-incandescent-equivalent/dp/B004JQE2BO/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357317595&sr=1-2&keywords=Philips+EnduraLED+800+Series+A19+Dimmable+LED+Lamp

And it is BRIGHT.. I swear its brighter than a standard 60 Watt. I use them outside for my porch lights.. They are a bit funky looking with the yellow shell, so if the aesthetic bothers you, go with the 50s ( which are plenty bright-- they are in the 5 bulb fixture over my dining room table)  

LOWES and Home Depot often have these cheaper than Amazon so keep your eyes out.

 A standard 60 W incandescent bulb has a service life of about 1500 hours ((There are 8700 Hours in a year if a bulb is left on 24x7) , and costs about $4- Phillps rates their 60W  replacement LED  at 25,000 hours of service life, and for $15, you need it to only last 6000 hours to make up the cost difference. For $25, it needs to last for 10,000.  So even if Phillips is wrong by more than 1/2 on the service life  you are still coming out ahead, and that is without adding the energy cost savings  gained by using 13 Watts instead of 60- and the fact you are up on a ladder replacing bulbs 16X LESS often. And SAVE the receipts - they offer a 6 year warranty on them too..
So yeah, if your monthly  budget allows, consider buying these to replace the dead bulbs as they go.


I have NOT found a decent PAR 30 flood replacement for recessed cans- and they are even more expensive ($40-60) .  The ones I have found are too directional - Bright enough, but only over a limited area- useless in the kitchen! - I want to try one of these,(http://www.amazon.com/Philips-420273-Ambient-13-Watt-Dimmable/dp/B007RKVT4M/ref=sr_1_24?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357318664&sr=1-24&keywords=Philips+Par+30+LED
) but $40 for a try is expensive.. hoping to see them cheaper..

[Alphabet Soup]

I was actually an early adopter of ccfl's. A case of them literally fell off a truck years ago and I found them in the gutter. I had no idea what they were other than an exotic light bulb. I didn't care for them for reading lights but in places where I wanted fill, where I ran lights 24/7, and where replacement was difficult I installed them. And enjoyed the fact that many of them were lasting 3-4-5 years before failure.

When the box started getting low I priced them and realized what a windfall that case of lamp had been! Recently, with the fascists calling for the death of Andy the Incandescent our local power company has been promoting the crap outta the ccfl's. They've had several introductory specials and freebie giveaways. Last summer they were offering a 1=1 trade for incandescents so I would go to the store and stock up on the cheapest bulbs I could find and then trade them for ccfl's at a 1=6 transfer ratio (I'd give them a 50 cent bulb and they would give me a $3 ccfl). When they caught on and cut me off I started finding straw purchasers who were kind enough to make the transaction for me.

So I have several cases of traditional incandescents - enough to last a decade or better, and three cases of various ccfl's - enough to last the rest of my life.

Ain't I a stinker?! 

[Weisshaupt]

I was actually an early adopter of ccfl's. A case of them literally fell off a truck years ago and I found them in the gutter. I had no idea what they were other than an exotic light bulb. I didn't care for them for reading lights but in places where I wanted fill, where I ran lights 24/7, and where replacement was difficult I installed them. And enjoyed the fact that many of them were lasting 3-4-5 years before failure.

When the box started getting low I priced them and realized what a windfall that case of lamp had been! Recently, with the fascists calling for the death of Andy the Incandescent our local power company has been promoting the crap outta the ccfl's. They've had several introductory specials and freebie giveaways. Last summer they were offering a 1=1 trade for incandescents so I would go to the store and stock up on the cheapest bulbs I could find and then trade them for ccfl's at a 1=6 transfer ratio (I'd give them a 50 cent bulb and they would give me a $3 ccfl). When they caught on and cut me off I started finding straw purchasers who were kind enough to make the transaction for me.

So I have several cases of traditional incandescents - enough to last a decade or better, and three cases of various ccfl's - enough to last the rest of my life.

Ain't I a stinker?! 

Except for that fact they they give off a lot of UV that will eventually give you cancer as part of the govt soft kill operations, CCFLs are great !

[Alphabet Soup]

We ate dirt when we were kids - we used to dare each other to eat slugs and caterpillars. I used to drink from the damned garden hose! I'm not invincible but ain't no damned light bulb gonna kill me! (he says ducking)...

 

[Weisshaupt]

We ate dirt when we were kids - we used to dare each other to eat slugs and caterpillars. I used to drink from the damned garden hose! I'm not invincible but ain't no damned light bulb gonna kill me! (he says ducking)...

 

Yeah, but now the govt takes care of you as a herd animal- they will decide when its time to go. Garden Hoses will  deliberately contain a water soluble carcinogen. The Slugs and Caterpillers  and dirt will have a carcinogen sprayed on them. And the lightbulbs will irradiate you ( and put mercury vapor into the air when they break! )  The lightbulbs don't do you in. The cancer does. The govt needs that for plausible deniability.  CIA has probably been replacing the tubes in various offices  for years just to give targets cancer.  Its the ame reason the govt puts our soldiers in tanks made of depleted Uranium and have them fire shells made of the same stuff.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

[Alphabet Soup]

they will decide when its time to go.

You don't know how true those words are...

[TeachX3]

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Love that!

I also like this one:  Questioning the lies of the government does not make one a conspiracy theorist, but NOT questioning the lies of the government makes them a gullible fool.

[Pandora]

"Question Obedience"

Thanks for the detailed information on wattage for the LEDs, Weisshaupt; much appreciated with the help in figuring that out.

And, yes, 'Soup; you are a stinker.  

[charlesoakwood]

I put it in the folder.  

Being cheaper than dirt:
For fill light turn $9.00 fluorescent shop fixture upside down inside wood frame, add shutters facing floor and hang with small chain or whatever about 6" from ceiling.  Costs about nothing to operate, creates no heat, and lasts forever.