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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2012, 02:17:59 PM »
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2012, 02:22:48 PM »
  Any good Italian food there? ::hysterical::
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2012, 04:56:26 PM »
  Any good Italian food there? ::hysterical::

I'm figuring there are some of Italian-descent there, so there probably is.  Should we go, then that would be a "definitely", just not in restaurant-form.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2012, 05:33:00 PM »
  Any good Italian food there? ::hysterical::

I'm figuring there are some of Italian-descent there, so there probably is.  Should we go, then that would be a "definitely", just not in restaurant-form.


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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2012, 05:50:57 PM »

Chicken fried veal parmigiana, mmmm good.

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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2012, 05:55:56 PM »
Compromise? Deep-fried ravoli is awfully tasty.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2012, 07:04:17 PM »
Compromise? Deep-fried ravoli is awfully tasty.

To each his own, but yech.

We deep-fry certain stuff -- don't believe JF.  My mother deep fries all the vegetables for Christmas Eve, and a lot of the fish as well -- calamari!  mm mm mmm -- but none of it has a heavy breading.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2012, 07:11:36 PM »

You just, you just put 'em in that
hot grease naked, how cruel.


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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2012, 07:21:35 PM »

You just, you just put 'em in that
hot grease naked, how cruel.



Crew-el?!  Moi?!

Non!  We roll the broccoli and cauliflower in a light coating of egg and breadcrumbs. The fish -- calamari! mm mm mmmm -- get a flour dredge, including the eel and the smelts.  

Shrimp served cocktail-style, cold; cod in a cold salad (meh); escargot w/garlic and butter and damn!  I always forget the seventh fish.

That's what Ma does.  We're usually down here by ourselves, so we do a pound and half of shrimp "cocktail", a salad and a loaf of homemade Italian bread.

Wow.  We zipped right past Thanksgiving to Christmas food.

This is not "location" stuff, people!  Can you not control yourselves?!   ::unknowncomic::
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2012, 07:48:04 PM »
I just don't know what to do.  I hate to say it but I have to stay employed.  I have a family to take care of and a wife that won't leave her aging mother.  If I sold my house I would be just on the + side (maybe $20K-$50K profit) but I have nearly nothing in the bank and 2 401k's and 2 IRA's.  If it were just me I'd cash out all of the retirement money (pay the tax) sell everything and find a nice secluded area in North Texas or some other "Red" location, find an under the table job busing tables or short order cook or something to try and stretch what ever $$'s I had. I just don't know.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2012, 08:04:56 PM »
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2012, 08:31:56 PM »
I just don't know what to do.  I hate to say it but I have to stay employed.  I have a family to take care of and a wife that won't leave her aging mother.  If I sold my house I would be just on the + side (maybe $20K-$50K profit) but I have nearly nothing in the bank and 2 401k's and 2 IRA's.  If it were just me I'd cash out all of the retirement money (pay the tax) sell everything and find a nice secluded area in North Texas or some other "Red" location, find an under the table job busing tables or short order cook or something to try and stretch what ever $$'s I had. I just don't know.

Then wait/stay.  (My unsolicited and possibly unwanted advice.)  Make some security-type preparations for where you are -- water/food/fuel/you know the drill.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2012, 09:22:13 PM »
I just don't know what to do.  I hate to say it but I have to stay employed.  I have a family to take care of and a wife that won't leave her aging mother.  If I sold my house I would be just on the + side (maybe $20K-$50K profit) but I have nearly nothing in the bank and 2 401k's and 2 IRA's.  If it were just me I'd cash out all of the retirement money (pay the tax) sell everything and find a nice secluded area in North Texas or some other "Red" location, find an under the table job busing tables or short order cook or something to try and stretch what ever $$'s I had. I just don't know.

Then wait/stay.  (My unsolicited and possibly unwanted advice.)  Make some security-type preparations for where you are -- water/food/fuel/you know the drill.

 She's right,basic safety and food and water preps are the way to go at whatever level you can. That still puts you far and away ahead of most out there.
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« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2012, 09:46:08 PM »

Camping is a good family activity and it helps
bring the theoretical and practical together.

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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2012, 10:08:53 PM »
I just don't know what to do.  I hate to say it but I have to stay employed.  I have a family to take care of and a wife that won't leave her aging mother.  If I sold my house I would be just on the + side (maybe $20K-$50K profit) but I have nearly nothing in the bank and 2 401k's and 2 IRA's.  If it were just me I'd cash out all of the retirement money (pay the tax) sell everything and find a nice secluded area in North Texas or some other "Red" location, find an under the table job busing tables or short order cook or something to try and stretch what ever $$'s I had. I just don't know.

Then wait/stay.  (My unsolicited and possibly unwanted advice.)  Make some security-type preparations for where you are -- water/food/fuel/you know the drill.

 She's right,basic safety and food and water preps are the way to go at whatever level you can. That still puts you far and away ahead of most out there.

Did ... did he just say I was right?!    ::falldownshocked::
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2012, 10:54:48 PM »
Cashing in 401 k will be expensive. Not only do you pay a penalty, but I believe you must then pay the prevailing tax rate.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2012, 10:56:47 PM »
I just don't know what to do.  I hate to say it but I have to stay employed.  I have a family to take care of and a wife that won't leave her aging mother.  If I sold my house I would be just on the + side (maybe $20K-$50K profit) but I have nearly nothing in the bank and 2 401k's and 2 IRA's.  If it were just me I'd cash out all of the retirement money (pay the tax) sell everything and find a nice secluded area in North Texas or some other "Red" location, find an under the table job busing tables or short order cook or something to try and stretch what ever $$'s I had. I just don't know.

Do what you always have done: The best you can. No where is "safe", and you don't have to earn nothing. Stay employed. Just cut back where you can. Look for ways to milk the system for income. Can you get money for the govt to pay for her mother's care? Can you then hire your wife to do it?  Earn less, and you qualify for more.  That study they did a while back showed a family 4 on welfare working 40 hours a MONTH at minimum wage  could have the equivalent take home pay  of a family with a 60K income. The IRA and 401K are no longer safe. You should cash them out regardless. Put the money into buying preps.  Guns. Ammo. Long term freeze dried food.  Water filter. Fuel storage. If you have any left over buy junk silver or 24k  gold chain. Maybe pay down the house. Maybe.  Chances are in the end everyone will squat and ownership will be relatively meaningless.
 
I have the opposite problem-- My prep is largely done and I have a pretty good chunk of change in the bank after the sale of my house in town.    I need to do something with the money. In an ideal world, I would buy a  second, larger property,  with other like minded individuals with their own large stake to put down. Getting a second place and prepping it makes sense from a redundancy perspective, but really its hard to maintain two places. Add in livestock and a greenhouse and its near impossible, unless you can go back and forth easily, or have a second group helping to maintain the second locale. With my little stake already  in the ground here in Colorado, I don't really want to give up all I have done, nor get too far from it - or town - I plan to work in some capacity up til the collapse. Moving to TX or TN would take me outside of a rational range to get back to the prepped home. I could try to sell it, but I would certainly loose money over what I have put in.. My company pays to have me in this region, so a move would probably mean job loss as well.  If a state actually left the Union, I would consider doing all of that, but Red don't mean Red. The liberals will go to anyplace successful. They are in WY.. , they are moving to TX  and you can bet they will be migrating to SD soon. Soon as their disastrous policies being to affect them, they move to get away from the effects, and then vote to implement them all over again. The Fed will continue to reach everywhere - even in the the Red states.  

Seclusion isn't  always the best either. Our property is where everyone can see our business, and on the main road in/out of the subdivision.  If the community here bands together that is a good thing. If it doesn't my security is going to get to be very tough, that is if  security is needed - I don't expect roving Mad Max gangs up here.  However defending the place against a SWAT team isn't going to be feasible.

We are gonna have to  with the decisions we have made and make do the best we can with them.  

 

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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2012, 11:03:58 PM »
Cashing in 401 k will be expensive. Not only do you pay a penalty, but I believe you must then pay the prevailing tax rate.

Know what is more expensive?  Having the dollar collapse, a bank holiday declared, and the account converted to govt bonds  or devalued into new currency while its frozen.  Cry for me, Argentina.   Worse, the IRAs and 401Ks represent the next biggest pile of ready cash to stave off the collapse - so they may very well try to seize them before the SHTF.  Add into that the tax rate jumps that are very likely to go into effect next year and you are paying more than if you take it out before Jan 1.  We hedged ours. We took 1/2 out 4 years ago. We will take the other half now.  Also , there are special situations where is can be taken out without the penalty- check to see if you qualify.  Solar still has a 30% dollar for dollar tax rebate as well, and with Cap and Trade, you will need it, and it will offset the pain of the 10% penalty.

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« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2012, 04:29:27 AM »
I agree with Weisshaupt:  Concerning 401(k)s and IRAs, take the tax hit this year and withdraw all funds.  Who knows what the personal income tax rate will be when it's time to withdraw the funds?  Not only is there the spector of Argentina-style confiscation, but I think there will be an Executive Order of some sort affecting these plans in the name of 'economic fairness and justice'; in other words, the poor Owebama Niggaz don't work enough or make enough to have a 401(k), so nobody should have one.  On top of that, as employment drops, so will contributions.  As the market tanks, more of those still working will no longer 'invest' for their retirement.  At that point, the whole concept of saving for one's retirement through such a program will be moot.  Get the cash now, convert what you can to metals and preps and with the rest make sure you keep small bills instead of 20s.

To have a 401(k) or IRA means you trust the government that you can have your money back in 20 or more years.  As we've seen with the last four years, nothing is guaranteed.

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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2012, 07:11:08 AM »
Yeah, I think the wealthy are already ahead of the game, much of the recent decline is large fish leaving the pond so they don't get their asses carved up next year...the writing is already on the wall.

I am cashing out my retirement funds and taking the tax hit now, it will be less than the futurre confiscation and way better than getting completely hosed.

As far as "moving" I am in the same spot Ben, hell maybe worse, doesn't matter though.  Bank can have the home if I bug out, I could only sell it on a short sale now anyway since the market has gone to worse than crap.  Everything else will be paid for or paid off.  I won't have my regular job much longer, I'll shovel horse sh*t for pocket change if I have to, just losing all interest in feeding this beast.  Maybe I'll snag some gubmint grant money in lieu of SocSec contributions extorted from me for all these decades and lose it in a boating accident.
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