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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #100 on: December 16, 2012, 11:02:14 AM »
Idaho #1.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #101 on: January 02, 2013, 10:25:01 PM »
Heh, how about this?  Pandora, TN.   ;D

Not much around it and them hills to the south and east have a whole lotta nothing!  (Lots of breathing room!)

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Pandora&state=TN

And hey it is still warmer than where I'm at!

http://www.friendlyforecast.com/usa/weather.php?db=273736%26%3F-Forecast-Pandora-Tennessee
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #102 on: January 02, 2013, 10:33:56 PM »
Heh.  Whaddaya know!
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #103 on: January 02, 2013, 11:26:53 PM »
I have family very near there, on the NC side of the border. It would be a very good place to consider, actually. Mountain folk have a healthy distrust of government. Remember when the Feds were camped out in the NC mountains trying to hunt down Eric Rudolph? More than a few times shots were fired into their encampment.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #104 on: January 04, 2013, 12:24:26 PM »
News director for Chattanooga NBC just tweeted this:

TN one of just 8 states with more people moving in than moving out. Others are WA, OR, AK, TX, ND, NC, NH. (via Atlas Van Lines study)
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #105 on: January 04, 2013, 12:55:54 PM »

That's interesting, being an AVL study it indicates all these migrants are producers. There must be many migrants to sweet spots such as Crackifornia because of the multitude of free stuff.  Ben, get out while you can.

ETA: New Hampshire, what's up with that?
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #106 on: January 04, 2013, 01:06:42 PM »
ETA: New Hampshire, what's up with that?

Oh that is easy. There is a Libertarian conspiracy to take over that State - because the numbers indicate that would be the easiest one. I think the numbers lie.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #108 on: January 04, 2013, 06:29:16 PM »
ETA: New Hampshire, what's up with that?

Oh that is easy. There is a Libertarian conspiracy to take over that State - because the numbers indicate that would be the easiest one. I think the numbers lie.
http://freestateproject.org/



I call BS on that too, NH has a bit of a flakey rep, what are 20k gonna do?  Take over a town or a rural county?  Still surrounded, right?  And the state government isn't what I would call especially conservative or even libertarian...

http://www.nh.gov/
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #109 on: January 04, 2013, 06:40:14 PM »
Mike Adams ( infowars) on leaving the US to avoid Collapse ( summary: don't)


Good points, but #5 is not a hard fact as it only applies in a catastrophic event scenario, in that event you are stuck where you are when the EMP goes, or the nuke, or the whatever.  In terms of odds, there are many more scenarios and cascade type events that are more likely to occur than the Big Event, granted it only takes one Big Event to blow the probability factors to hell, but chances are there will be some preliminary indicators of a general economic/political collapse that means if you are smart and beat feet you can and should make it to a BOL.  Hedge your bets if you have a BOL by having some preps at your in town residence & emergency items in your primary vehicle.  It may well mean you have to ride out the initial Big Event with what you have with you, hunker down a bit and let the first die-back occur, migrate to your nearest prepared location, repeat process, etc.  It may not be perfect and there is no guarantee you'll make it to where you want to be or even that once you're at where you want to be you have much more time to survive, but something is better than nothing, and if it allows younger generations time to survive in the new environment that is at least something worthy to aim for as well.
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #110 on: January 04, 2013, 07:07:45 PM »

Agreed.

Even though I know exactly where I am and every road in and out I created 12x12 map flash cards sectioned into five separate routes.  Who knows where the problem will present itself or where there may be a stumbling block. 
The long way home may be the shortest route to safety.

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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #111 on: January 04, 2013, 07:23:04 PM »
Hedge your bets if you have a BOL by having some preps at your in town residence & emergency items in your primary vehicle.  It may well mean you have to ride out the initial Big Event with what you have with you, hunker down a bit and let the first die-back occur, migrate to your nearest prepared location, repeat process, etc.  It may not be perfect and there is no guarantee you'll make it to where you want to be or even that once you're at where you want to be you have much more time to survive, but something is better than nothing, and if it allows younger generations time to survive in the new environment that is at least something worthy to aim for as well.

I think he is right that if you CAN live at your BOL, then you should.  Its just one less logistical problem to be overcome.  If you are not there, during the "big event"  your BOL may be discovered and raided before you arrive.  I worry a bit about that in our scenario.  The greenhouse and PV are conspicuous if you live in the neighborhood. As I meet people I say I am the guy with the solar panels and the hippie dome and they all know where I am .. . They work great as "don't bug me, I am obviously liberal" camouflage, as long as folks don't know better, and there and the neighborhood is rural, so in general folks look out for one another- but there is no guarantee  that will continue after an EVENT. .  If things are really bad though, they see food and power and may loot those while leaving my crappy vinyl sided double-wide alone.  I may have to pull the panels down, and break a couple of poly panels on the greenhouse to make it look like its already been "hit" - but I may not get time to do that if the event is sudden and I am trapped in "town" - of course, the new "town" I am in is sub 10,000, and  not 100,000+, and I am 45 minutes away from the big population centers.  I am not so much worried about the EMP pulse  (which would kill my panels and inverters too!)  and the greenhouse itself is unlikely to be massively damaged.. people will break in and raid the crops, they don't care about the structure.  But a Martial Law with travel restrictions would make it very difficult. The only way around such roadblocks  is on foot, and   I am too far to hoof it with children.  Maybe on horse back. Maybe. They of course can't watch every little jeep road, but I may have to wait till late spring to get through on those.

However there is  something to be said for some degree of diversity.  If I had unlimited funds,I would be prepping a place in Denver, a good sized farm outside of Denver, a place in the mountains - or maybe two in different States and one or two places overseas.  Options are good, even if there is a risk of an option falling off the table. In Argentina a lot of rural folks had to move into the cities to find jobs,  and supplies as the trucks didn't deliver to rural towns anymore. Ironically,  in many cases, the cities/town were safer. Criminals are more bold when you are by yourself and no help is coming. Even my new house "in town" may turn out to be too  rural.

As he says in the article - wherever you are won't be ideal for every scenario. You do what you can with the constraints you are under, and make it work the best you can.  This isn't a game,there are no rules and "winning" means you survive and possibly even prosper and thrive.


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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #112 on: January 05, 2013, 06:49:25 AM »
News director for Chattanooga NBC just tweeted this:

TN one of just 8 states with more people moving in than moving out. Others are WA, OR, AK, TX, ND, NC, NH. (via Atlas Van Lines study)


http://www.businessinsider.com/atlas-vans-moving-map-2013-1

Maps and stats to the migration make it all the more interesting.

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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #113 on: January 05, 2013, 10:18:44 AM »
News director for Chattanooga NBC just tweeted this:

TN one of just 8 states with more people moving in than moving out. Others are WA, OR, AK, TX, ND, NC, NH. (via Atlas Van Lines study)


http://www.businessinsider.com/atlas-vans-moving-map-2013-1

Maps and stats to the migration make it all the more interesting.

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ND is really benefiting from the oil boom.

Hey Weisshaupt, there is only surviving and thriving, some may prosper at one better than others, but the latter will no doubt be dominated by the younger, naturally aggressive and clever people.  Since most of us do not have unlimited funds, we can only do what we can.  Be careful with faux raided look, it could invite other unwanted activity.  Wonder if there is some hidden booby traps and such you could employ?
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #114 on: January 06, 2013, 06:27:29 PM »

That's interesting, being an AVL study it indicates all these migrants are producers. There must be many migrants to sweet spots such as Crackifornia because of the multitude of free stuff.  Ben, get out while you can.

ETA: New Hampshire, what's up with that?


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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #115 on: January 13, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »
Join the Citadel Group in Idaho

As I sad in another thread, the conservatives are turning inward. We know there is going to be a fight. We know that even if there isn't one, we don't want to have any more to do with the degenerates on the  left.
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While Citadel may sound wonderful to many who are reading this, the community has posted a warning on their home page: "Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles."

Emphasis mine.  Hope that any do get in meet with "accidents"

It is further proof the GOP is dead. Their base has decided they are no different ( and they aren't) If they want to start competing with the Dems for demographic - let them.  Hell, we should have started a party to do just that years ago - just to split the Democratic vote. Go Nader.  I suspect that Ron Paul is paid by Dems to do the same. Nope folks like this are going to kill any Fed that decides to hassle anyone in the compound..

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Its Waco times 100, and the cowards in the White House will just target them - Men women and children,   with drones.



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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #116 on: January 13, 2013, 10:37:00 AM »
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As I sad in another thread...

A Freudian slip perhaps? Or was it just me?

There was an interesting discussion in the comments of that CNS article (betwixt & between the trollish ones) about the practicality, the propriety, and the purpose of such a community. The trolls were there to fling poo, insulting anyone who doesn't think that our present circumstances in Ă˜bomination ain't just the neatest thing. One of them tosses the red herring of "What good did the pubbies ever do?" as a deflection to the 900 pound gorilla which is, "If Ă˜bomination is such a sweet deal, why are so many trying so hard to escape it?"

As for The Citadel project itself, I'm finding that I am perhaps insufficiently radical right enough to qualify for inclusion. Maybe it is just blowback from all the foolishness that has been shoved at us but on many sites I find my opinions of caution and moderation greeted with contempt and derision. I don't really GAS and I'm not inclined to back down or panic-react because someone doesn't agree with me, but I do find the proposition of being out of touch with both the left and the right a bit unsettling.

And maybe I'm reading more into their mission statement than really exists. It sounds to me like right-wingers playing at libertarianism with pure democracy as their model for governance. And jefferson as their inspiration? No thanks.

I wish them well, and hope that they thrive and prosper peacefully. I think I'll pass.


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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #117 on: January 13, 2013, 10:44:53 AM »
Are you finding yourself "out of touch" with us here as well?
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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #118 on: January 13, 2013, 12:38:47 PM »
Are you finding yourself "out of touch" with us here as well?

I don't think so - at least nothing is apparent. But then I enjoy everyone's company here and try not to make waves. The last time I scratched too deep it cost us a member.


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Re: What To Do Next: Location
« Reply #119 on: January 13, 2013, 12:39:04 PM »
I just read this article and I think I have to agree with Weisshaupt's closing remark as reflecting my major concern, because I could see the Ă˜bomination not wanting to waste the drones and risk having them shot down and look like a pussy in the face of this separatist threat and instead just lob in a low-yield nuke, I really wouldn't put that past him, and I really don't know if I could count on the people executing the mission realizing this is a major breach of their oaths of office and refuse.

And why would you want to advertise the community?  Why not just build it and ignore the Feds?

But this effort and other warnings from Rush, Levin, Savage, Hannity, Charlie Daniels (see link below), Southern and Midwestern states (taxes, see link below) and such are illustrating two things - first, people know something is terribly wrong in their country and second, they are not looking to Washington for answers.  This is all starting to come to a head and the wise people are preparing accordingly.  The thing is people have different ideas about what to prepare for based upon their thoughts (right, wrong or indifferent) as to what can, should or will happen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/13/us-usa-tax-states-idUSBRE90C08C20130113

http://cnsnews.com/blog/charlie-daniels/precedent-teaches-us-left-really-wants-all-our-guns

We are wading into the Rubicon now and the current will only get stronger.
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