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« Reply #241 on: April 24, 2013, 01:36:14 PM »
Russia tried to warn the US government multiple times about the older brother.
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« Reply #242 on: April 24, 2013, 01:38:57 PM »
Russia tried to warn the US government multiple times about the older brother.

Neither Obongo nor Nappy-head intend to be warned about one of their current pet minorities.  Just like with the "hispanics", the more 'slims -- devote adherents are a bonus -- the better.
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« Reply #243 on: April 24, 2013, 07:21:06 PM »
Obama and the Dem's are too busy handing these assholes taxpayer funded freebies...these muzzie terrorists shyts are all part of the Free Shyt Army!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/tamerlan-tsarnaev-and-family-received-welfare_719056.html

Party in NYC dude!  Bloomies blooming idiot playground!   ::whoohoo::

Frack me!  Sounds like a damn perfectly legitimate reason to NOT pay taxes...EVER!!!

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« Reply #244 on: April 24, 2013, 08:09:57 PM »
ComIntern scum...American brought this on herself, the Jeremiah Wright chicken-roosting BS that many self-loathing citizens here also ascribe to.  All these people here and abroad...they all make me sick...thay all need to go!

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/04/did-boston-have-it-coming-the-united-nations-says-yes.php

ETA - And I do not remember seeing this anywhere...the real purpose for killing the MIT cop?  To get his gun for 'lil bro.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/04/23/islamist-terrorist-tsarnaev-brothers-killed-mit-officer-sean-collier-because-they-needed-a-gun-what-no-background-check/

Being too stupid to know how to get the gun out of the holster may have saved somebody's life.

Of course the libiots will totally ignore the story for the way in which it highlights the massive failure their punitive laws on legal gun owners would have for criminals and terrorists!

And here we have the CIA saying they wanted Tamerlan on watch list back in 2011.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/24/report-cia-wanted-boston-bomber-on-terrorist-watch-list/

And here we have probably the strongest reason yet why the Obama Regime may be happy to see one of the Jihadis still breathing - "Bush drove us to it" -

http://theothermccain.com/2013/04/23/blame-bush-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-does/

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« Reply #245 on: April 25, 2013, 09:50:18 AM »
ComIntern scum...American brought this on herself, the Jeremiah Wright chicken-roosting BS that many self-loathing citizens here also ascribe to.  All these people here and abroad...they all make me sick...thay all need to go!

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/04/did-boston-have-it-coming-the-united-nations-says-yes.php


Liberal logic.   The Boston Terror Bombing was retaliation for Bust going after Iraq for funding terror.  That is acceptable (in their bizarro land minds).  But the US is not permitted to retaliate for the 9/11 terror attack?  WTF??  I hate all these asshats and can't wait till we can get rid of this stupid thought process and all who posses it.
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« Reply #246 on: April 25, 2013, 10:25:33 AM »
By now we've all heard that the Boston terrorist brothers were on welfare. State-sponsored terrorism.

But Obama's good friend Massachussetts Governor Patrick doesn't like all the questions about how two known terrorists who the Russian government was warning the FBI and CIA about were sucking on the titties of his welfare state.

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Patrick Administration Refuses to Release Tsarnaev Welfare Records

The Patrick administration clamped down the lid yesterday on Herald requests for details of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s government benefits, citing the dead terror mastermind’s right to privacy.

Across the board, state agencies flatly refused to provide information about the taxpayer-funded lifestyle for the 26-year-old man and his brother and accused accomplice Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19.


On EBT card status or spending, state welfare spokesman Alec Loftus would only say Tamerlan Tsarnaev, his wife and 3-year-old daughter received benefits that ended in 2012. He declined further comment.

On unemployment compensation, labor department spokesman Kevin Franck refused to say whether Tamerlan Tsarnaev ever collected, saying it was “confidential and not a matter of public record.”

On Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s college aid, University of Massachusetts Dartmouth spokesman Robert Connolly said, “It is our position — and I believe the accepted position in higher education — that student records including academic records and financial records (including financial aid) cannot under federal law be released without a student’s consent.”

On cellphones, the Federal Communications Commission would not say whether either brother had a government-paid cellphone, also citing privacy laws.

On housing, Cambridge officials and the family’s landlord ducked questions on whether the brothers were ever on Section 8 assistance.

The Herald reported yesterday that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, his wife and 3-year-old daughter collected welfare until 2012 and that both Tamerlan and Dzhokhar received benefits through their parents “for a limited portion” of the time after they came to the U.S., which was around 2002.

However, the Department of Transitional Assistance wouldn’t release information about how long or how much they received.

It remains unclear how the accused bomber brothers financed their heartless attacks on the marathon.

No, it f***ing doesn't remain unclear.
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« Last Edit: April 25, 2013, 10:30:03 AM by IronDioPriest »
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Re: Boston Marathon Terrorism
« Reply #247 on: April 25, 2013, 11:51:47 AM »
"The Patrick administration clamped down the lid yesterday on Herald requests for details of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s government benefits, citing the dead terror mastermind’s right to privacy."

Streetlights need decoratin' oh so damned bad...terrorists and politicians...what difference does it make?

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« Reply #248 on: April 25, 2013, 01:10:46 PM »
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/megyn-kelly-surprise-revelation-fbi-was-shocked-to-see-judge-waltz-in-and-give-suspect-miranda-rights/?corder=asc#comments

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The FBI had no idea they were sending over the judge, the prosecutor, the federal public defender; and the FBI said they were only 16 hours into what they understood would be a 48 hour period of questioning … . They said they were in the process of getting valuable information … and as soon as that magistrate judge went in there and gave him his rights with his lawyer present, he stopped talking. They said they would never have stopped  interrogating him prior to the 48 hours unless they were forced to.”

“These officials with knowledge of the proceedings say they believe our national security may have been compromised by the decision to send that judge in there so soon after the filing of the criminal complaint.”


*sigh*  "Miranda" doesn't give rights; it reminds the accused he has them and what they are.

The FBI knows damn well anything they learn/ed from Tsarnaev before "Miranda" is inadmissible in court and they don't care because they don't need it to convict the asshole; they need other information from him which they won't get now that he's clammed up.

So.  Who sent the friggin judge?
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« Reply #249 on: April 25, 2013, 01:14:27 PM »
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/megyn-kelly-surprise-revelation-fbi-was-shocked-to-see-judge-waltz-in-and-give-suspect-miranda-rights/?corder=asc#comments

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The FBI had no idea they were sending over the judge, the prosecutor, the federal public defender; and the FBI said they were only 16 hours into what they understood would be a 48 hour period of questioning … . They said they were in the process of getting valuable information … and as soon as that magistrate judge went in there and gave him his rights with his lawyer present, he stopped talking. They said they would never have stopped  interrogating him prior to the 48 hours unless they were forced to.”

“These officials with knowledge of the proceedings say they believe our national security may have been compromised by the decision to send that judge in there so soon after the filing of the criminal complaint.”


*sigh*  "Miranda" doesn't give rights; it reminds the accused he has them and what they are.

The FBI knows damn well anything they learn/ed from Tsarnaev before "Miranda" is inadmissible in court and they don't care because they don't need it to convict the asshole; they need other information from him which they won't get now that he's clammed up.

So.  Who sent the friggin judge?

That's the $64,000 question.  No one seems to know.  Bet it was obumbler.
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« Reply #250 on: April 25, 2013, 01:23:28 PM »
So.  Who sent the friggin judge?

That's the $64,000 question.  No one seems to know.  Bet it was obumbler.

With a US Attorney present, I'd go with Holder, following Owebama's head twitch; some things don't need to be spoken, just like a mafia don.

Also, Holder filed the criminal charges that morning, necessitating the Miranda warning, filing the charges most likely on Owebama's unwritten orders (Owebama is such a control freak I doubt any White House staffer can take a shyt without permission).  No doubt Owebama is busy, once again, covering his worthless skanky @ss on this one, what with his allowing alHarbi to be spirited out of the country before any serious, and damaging to himself, questioning could take place.

The bottom line, though, is that Owebama will get away with whatever he does.  There is no pol with the balls to stand up to him.
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« Reply #251 on: April 25, 2013, 01:23:56 PM »
I am not sure how I feel about that, but I think I prefer to err on the side of Mirandizing him. I am highly suspect of this new effort at creating a whole new legal class that is conveniently exempt from most of the constitutional limits on the state's authority. On the other hand I do recognize that with jihadis we are dealing with something that is more than just criminal, yet not quite the same as a soldier from an enemy state.

It's not the jihadis themselves I care about, because they can (and will) RIH, it's the setting of precedents and normalizing of police routinely ignoring the limits on their power. In America the government should never have the authority to pluck someone off the streets and imprison them indefinitely.
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Re: Boston Marathon Terrorism
« Reply #252 on: April 25, 2013, 05:00:53 PM »
Good points G, we cannot condone anything that would trample on our rights, well, while we have a few left, they'll rid them all if we let them, and they will try.  This turd will get what he deserves, what concerns me more is how easy and comfortable people are with martial law and lack of due process, does not bode well.
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« Reply #253 on: April 25, 2013, 07:45:26 PM »
I am not sure how I feel about that, but I think I prefer to err on the side of Mirandizing him. I am highly suspect of this new effort at creating a whole new legal class that is conveniently exempt from most of the constitutional limits on the state's authority. On the other hand I do recognize that with jihadis we are dealing with something that is more than just criminal, yet not quite the same as a soldier from an enemy state.

It's not the jihadis themselves I care about, because they can (and will) RIH, it's the setting of precedents and normalizing of police routinely ignoring the limits on their power. In America the government should never have the authority to pluck someone off the streets and imprison them indefinitely.

I understand and share your trepidation; however, there's this, from Andrew McCarthy:

"... the FBI’s interrogation of accused Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was short-circuited when the Justice Department arranged for him to be given a presentment hearing in the hospital.

In point of fact, it was not the hearing that caused the suspension of vital intelligence-gathering. It was the Obama Justice Department’s decision over the weekend immediately to file a criminal charge against Tsarnaev. Once that was done, the presentment hearing was inevitable. It is required by Rule 5 of the federal rules of criminal procedure. An arrested person must be brought before the nearest available magistrate. The purpose of the proceeding is to get him out of the clutches of law enforcement, have a neutral judicial officer advise him of what he’s been charged with, make certain that he has counsel assigned, and – most significantly – ensure that he knows he is under no obligation to make statements to the police and that, if he has already made some statements, he may stop.

From a national security standpoint, there was no good reason to file a criminal charge so soon and thus trigger procedures that, as everyone involved in the decision well knew, would stop the interrogation. The only reason to do it is political: The Obama administration is philosophically hostile to the law-of-war counterterrorism paradigm. It is determined to regard every terrorist as a criminal defendant rather than an enemy combatant – even if there may be evidence connecting the detained terrorist to our wartime enemies and thus justifying, at least temporarily, an enemy-combatant designation that would allow interrogation to continue for intelligence purposes.

Therefore, in a palpable effort to end any public debate over Tsarnaev’s treatment, and to divert public attention away from what appear to be appalling lapses by the relevant agencies in the months since Tamerlan Tsarnaev got on their radar screen over a year before last week’s terror spree, the administration ran into court.

With a criminal complaint filed, the administration calculated, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a criminal defendant – no more need to talk about whether he should be a military detainee. And with the civilian prosecution commenced, the public attention could be shifted from the administration’s investigative lapses to the terrorist’s court proceedings."

Read the rest, it's informative.

There's intelligence Obongo and his thugs don't want the rest of us knowing.
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« Reply #254 on: April 25, 2013, 10:11:01 PM »
Look at the comments on this one!


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Listen here dude!! WHAT IF YOURRRRRRRRRRRR FAMILY, WIFE, CHILDREN WERE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A CRAZED, BOMBER SUSPECTED TO BE ON THE LOOSE IN THE AREA (WHICH HE WAS!!!). You would be fine with the police just doing NOTHING? they are on edge dude, they are in the heat of the moment,they dont KNOW WHO IS THE BAD GUY!!! do you know what thats like? NO YOU DON’T.

LISTEN HERE, AND LISTEN GOOD. what you spread throughout the internet, wtih your conspiracy theories, your anti military, anti government rhetoric, IS NO DIFFERENT than what these JIHAD muther effers do and spout! YOU ARE INDOCTRINATING simple minded people into believing this crap, and its embarrasing as an American.

SICKOS SET OFF BOMBS AT A CROWDED MARATHON AND KILLED AND MAIMED INNOCENTS!! WHAT THE HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL do you want the government to do? sit back and wait? wait for it to happen again? they did an amazing job, hence everyone in the streets supporting and cheering. there is no CONSPIRACY, there is no “gestapo”, its good ole fashion police work. God bless America.

THESE OFFICERS ARE FATHERS, HUSBANDS, BROTHERS, SISTERS, DAUGHTERS, GRANDPARENTS, PUTTING THEIR OWN LIVES IN DANGER GOING HOUSE TO HOUSE TO HOUSE. They don’t know if a door is booby trapped, so when thjey open it it explodes in their face and kills them dead!! they don’t know if that person i nthe house is the bomber, or bad buys with exploding vests on that will blow up and kill them.

SO YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE ON EDGE, I UNDERSTAND AND SO SHOULD ANY OTHER NORMAL HUMAN CITIZEN WITH A BOMBING SUSPECT ON THE LOOSE!!!

geeez. you are just as bad as the terrorists spreading this crap about how the govt’ sucks, and conspires to steal our rights away from us, its embarrasing. you wanna see what REAL COMMUNISIM IS LIKE..GO TO FREAKING RUSSIA, OR N KOREA, then come back and tell us that our government and country sucks. i dare you!!

HAVE SOME FREAKIN RESPECT FOR THOSE THAT PUT THEIR OWN LIVES IN DANGER AND RISK TO SAVE OURS, AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE KILLED WITH THESE TERROR ATTACKS.

The cops are on edge? Its their job to be alert, not panic and terrorize  civilians. I think what really has him upset is the idea that he might have to step up, be the adult, and take on the responiblity for protecting his own family.


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« Reply #255 on: April 25, 2013, 10:22:26 PM »
I can imagine a scenario where they only small pleasure I have left in life is that people like that dumbass are suffering under the grinding boot heel, and will still be oblivious to how it ever got that way.

In his case, the police are taking away not only his rights but evidently his gag reflex too.



ETA: at least the replies to the moron are pretty good. In particular I like the one that points out the fact that every single man in the Nazi SS and Soviet NKVD was "somebody's son, brother, husband, father, or uncle" too.
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« Reply #256 on: April 25, 2013, 11:09:32 PM »
It is so clear to me now, how important it is to hold the principles of constitutional rights as the only standard above all other concerns, including safety. There is no "balance". The constitution has to win every time, or it is meaningless.

But if I'm honest with myself about myself and other conservatives, I must look at what I and others have done to bring us to this point.

I made arguments for the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretap. I didn't speak out against the TSA or the DHS when they were being conceptualized and implemented in the wake of 9/11, while government was telling us it was to "keep us safe". I wanted to be "patriotic", and patriotic meant loving America, trusting our military and first responders, and protecting our people from terrorists. Bush was being attacked by the Left, and my response was to defend him, and give him the benefit of the doubt. I ridiculed Leftists and libertarians who railed against his post 9/11 agenda.

That was as wrong then as it is now. We should have demanded that our 9/11 response was constitution first - no justifications for safety's sake. I wish we all knew then what we know now. Bush kicked the door open for Obama, and while some tried to slam it shut, I was there helping to hold it open.
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« Reply #257 on: April 26, 2013, 05:42:09 AM »
It is so clear to me now, how important it is to hold the principles of constitutional rights as the only standard above all other concerns, including safety. There is no "balance". The constitution has to win every time, or it is meaningless.

But if I'm honest with myself about myself and other conservatives, I must look at what I and others have done to bring us to this point.

I made arguments for the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretap. I didn't speak out against the TSA or the DHS when they were being conceptualized and implemented in the wake of 9/11, while government was telling us it was to "keep us safe". I wanted to be "patriotic", and patriotic meant loving America, trusting our military and first responders, and protecting our people from terrorists. Bush was being attacked by the Left, and my response was to defend him, and give him the benefit of the doubt. I ridiculed Leftists and libertarians who railed against his post 9/11 agenda.

That was as wrong then as it is now. We should have demanded that our 9/11 response was constitution first - no justifications for safety's sake. I wish we all knew then what we know now. Bush kicked the door open for Obama, and while some tried to slam it shut, I was there helping to hold it open.
Don't be ridiculous, Wilson kicked in the door and Roosevelt propped it with with a steel bar. We have little to be pissed about other than those that came before us to purposely let the genie out of the bottle. Most of what's wrong today started back in 1913 with the 16 and 17th phony ratified amendments. Without them, nothing could have ever passed.
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« Reply #258 on: April 26, 2013, 06:22:21 AM »
Interesting.  The more that comes out about this Mirandizing shyt, the more questions that arise which will never be answered in anything resembling a satisfactory manner.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/boston-bomber-magistrates-middle-eastern-connections/



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Boston Bomber Magistrate’s Middle Eastern Connections

As FOX News reported and Robert Spencer noted, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev stopped talking once he was prematurely read his Miranda rights. That helps the authorities establish the lone wolf narrative. Whatever else we might have learned from him is probably lost.

Once Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was read his rights on Monday, he immediately stopped talking, according to four officials of both political parties who were briefed on the interrogation but insisted on anonymity because the briefing was private.
 
After roughly 16 hours of questioning, investigators were surprised when a magistrate judge and a representative from the U.S. Attorney’s office entered the hospital room and read Tsarnaev his rights, the four officials and one law enforcement official said. Investigators had planned to keep questioning him.

District Court Judge Marianne Bowler arrived at the hospital where he is being treated to preside over his initial hearing Monday, when she read him his Miranda rights.
 
But Fox News’ sources say there was confusion about Bowler’s timing, with some voicing concerns that investigators were not given enough time to question Dzhokhar under the “public safety exception” invoked by the Justice Department.
 
Two officials with knowledge of the FBI briefing on Capitol Hill said the FBI was against stopping the investigators’ questioning and was stunned that the judge, Justice Department prosecutors and public defenders showed up, feeling valuable intelligence may have been sacrificed as a result.
 
Judge Bowler has some interesting international connections. She is a member of the Member of the International Judicial Relations Committee of the Judicial Conference of the United States.
 
Apparently in that capacity, she visited and spoke on legal issues at a number of Muslim countries, becoming the first female judge to speak in Kuwait, appearing also in Egypt and in the United Arab Emirates.


Oddly enough, aside from a visit to the US embassy in Belgrade, those are the only international appearances that she lists and they all take place in Muslim countries.
 
While Islamic infiltration of our political system is well known, the infiltration of our legal system is less well known, but operates within similar parameters with foreign contacts being made. There is no way of knowing how much Bowler has been influenced by her connections with the legal and political systems of the Muslim world, but it is telling that her international judicial relations appear to begin and end with the Muslim world.

Our political system is lost (communists running wild).  Our legal system is lost (The Dread Pirate Roberts proved that).  The police are not our friends (the suspension of the 4th Amendment in Boston proved that).  And we want to rely on the military to save us?

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« Reply #259 on: April 26, 2013, 06:34:46 AM »
It is so clear to me now, how important it is to hold the principles of constitutional rights as the only standard above all other concerns, including safety. There is no "balance". The constitution has to win every time, or it is meaningless.

But if I'm honest with myself about myself and other conservatives, I must look at what I and others have done to bring us to this point.

I made arguments for the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretap. I didn't speak out against the TSA or the DHS when they were being conceptualized and implemented in the wake of 9/11, while government was telling us it was to "keep us safe". I wanted to be "patriotic", and patriotic meant loving America, trusting our military and first responders, and protecting our people from terrorists. Bush was being attacked by the Left, and my response was to defend him, and give him the benefit of the doubt. I ridiculed Leftists and libertarians who railed against his post 9/11 agenda.

That was as wrong then as it is now. We should have demanded that our 9/11 response was constitution first - no justifications for safety's sake. I wish we all knew then what we know now. Bush kicked the door open for Obama, and while some tried to slam it shut, I was there helping to hold it open.
Don't be ridiculous, Wilson kicked in the door and Roosevelt propped it with with a steel bar. We have little to be pissed about other than those that came before us to purposely let the genie out of the bottle. Most of what's wrong today started back in 1913 with the 16 and 17th phony ratified amendments. Without them, nothing could have ever passed.

That's a fine point. It doesn't free me from responsibility for failing to see that Bush was doing the same damn thing, and supporting him when he did.
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