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I Hereby Pledge To...
« on: June 20, 2013, 11:34:55 AM »
...never vote for another Republican again if amnesty passes.

This is my RED LINE and I will not cross over it under any circumstances.

I honestly see no point in voting for any Republican ever again if amnesty passes. There just won't be any point and I won't waste my time or money investing in a party that ignores me and my interests.

I mean it. I won't vote for any of them. Even the "good" ones. The "good" ones, if they are truly "good," will do likewise and quit the party rather than carry on with this charade.

I have said repeatedly that a third party is not the answer but if the Republican party commits suicide by voting for amnesty then there really isn't any reason to not go third party at that point because the Republicans will have essentially ceased to exist. So at that point a third party becomes the only real alternative and to pretend otherwise is delusional.

Not another representative, not another senator and not another president. I won't vote for another Republican for as long as I live if amnesty is passed. Period.

I have had it and there will be no going back from this if it happens. As far as I'm concerned the country will then be over and I will begin to take active steps to go Galt.

So that's it. That's my pledge and I will absolutely stick to it.


« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 11:43:49 AM by trapeze »
In a doomsday scenario, hippies will be among the first casualties. So not everything about doomsday will be bad.

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 11:44:17 AM »
+1


(though personally I think the country is already finished anyway)
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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 12:35:12 PM »
I admire the courage of your convictions Trap. I'm 90% of the way there but can't bring myself to take the last step.

I've been concentrating on fortifying my "off the grid" experience in preparation for going Galt. I believe in the inevitibility of it and the futility of any other alternative. I intend to survive the foolish madness even of the GOP doesn't.

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 11:17:22 PM »
I don't think I am alone.

In fact, I know I'm not alone.

I don't know how anyone can listen (hour after hour) to the stupid ass, infantile and insulting ads by Americans For A Conservative Direction played ad infinitum during talk radio and not come to the same conclusion...

They think we are stupid. They think we are really, really stupid.

They don't think we remember the last amnesty and that we cannot connect the dots between that betrayal and the resultant decline of our country.

They are playing us. Or rather, they are pathetically attempting to play us.

But I will not be played. If this sh*t goes down I am done. And I think that a great many of us will throw in the towel, too.

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All you need to know about immigration: The Democrats will not vote for any kind of border enforcement with triggers, that is where they're required to agree to border enforcement to get amnesty. Why? Because they do not want border enforcement. All the Republican "compromises" are efforts to pretend at border enforcement while respecting Dems' redline of no  enforcement. So anyone who believes this sh*t is a fool and anyone who advocates for it is a liar. The entire goal here is to cook up something that Dumb Conservatives can be tricked into thinking is security, but Democrats know isn't. Every single proposal in which Democrats *must* perform border security is shot down as a redline they will not agree to. Why? Because they have no intention of that, and refuse to be bound by a law that says they must. As @drewmtips says, this is a walking issue for me. It's even less about the issue than it is about being treated like a fool to be abused.
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I'm telling you, if this bill passes then this is going to be a thing. People will leave the party in droves. It will be the biggest desertion in political history.

I was pissed off about this during the GWB admin when they tried to ram it through then. And now, what with all of the obvious, in your face corruption...this new happening kind of obnoxious, "we don't even give a sh*t if you are offended by it we're going to do it anyway and you can go f**k yourself if you don't like it because we are the only game in town and you are stuck voting for us because we aren't Democrats," corruption...I am at my breaking point.

The spying. The IRS. The killings in Libya. The coverups. And the in your face perjury and all the other scandals and the absolute insult that the Republicans in the House won't do anything about any of it.

This amnesty crap, though, will be the last straw. The final insult. The deal breaker.

No, I don't think I am going to be alone on this. I think that I will have lots of company.

« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 11:22:43 PM by trapeze »
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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 12:01:46 AM »
I hate those commercials. Personally, I don't think it will matter if you (we) vote or not. As I stated earlier, we lost California in the first " lets legalize illegals" in 1986. Lose one more large state ( Texas) because it is overrun and it's over anyways.

I don't call myself a republican now. I am a conservative. There is no one in my state I can support. I don't see anyone on the horizon in which to throw my support. When I am solicited for money, especially statewide, ( I will never give in a national election again), I make sure I tell my story as to why I will not give. The Republican Party has been overrun by cowards.
I'm running my business with short term goals ( one year or less). Frankly, im still in shock about expanding my business because i was certain obama would be defeated as i couldnt fathom people actually living as we do today.Planning long term business goals is foolish if not suicidal. My future plan includes a list of potential buyers, something I never considered before.  I believe this amnesty idiocy will push me to search out a buyer within 5 years, because I hope and pray we can last this long.

Plus, I'm frustrated a hell. I've watched the decades long decline, believing my vote meant something or would actually change something. It won't. We are too far down a bad path. To me, today, since I own a business, I'm in a timing pattern.....I want to bleed all I can out of it so I can plan and prepare for my family and still dump it. God, I hate thinking in this manner.
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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 12:58:38 AM »
As you probably know (I have made no secret of it) I also own my own business. It was growing and doing quite well until 2008 and then the bottom fell out. I went from a growth situation to the exact opposite in a year. Things were very bad back then. I had the overhead of a bigger business with the income of a (suddenly) small business. I survived. Barely.

During the last two and a half years things have (marginally) improved and I could actually justify hiring people again. But it just doesn't make any sense to do it because the economy isn't that great. Plus the worker's comp and especially the unemployment insurance are ridiculous. So...my business model is sort of bleh. I will hold onto what I have and in a few years I, too, will look to sell it to someone with more years ahead of them than me. I have a fairly decent business for surviving tough times, actually. I can, and sometimes do, insist on cash payments from my customers. And, of course, if they offer to pay in cash I never say no. That makes for a pretty good "going Galt" arrangement.

I have resigned myself (post 2008) to never getting wealthy. The economy is just too sick and there is almost zero chance of it getting better anytime soon so screw it. Reagan only had to deal with cleaning up after four years of Carter. I cannot imagine anyone on our side who will be able to clean up after this clod. Not in two terms. Not in ten. I just don't see things coming back in my lifetime. But I make enough to live quite comfortably so, all in all, I am okay with the situation I find myself in. I know that it could be much worse.

Plus, as a Christian (and I know, I do not talk like one from time to time), I am committed to the belief that God is in control of my life and that this life is temporary and very brief in the scheme of things. There is a tremendous amount of peace for me in that knowledge.

But that doesn't mean that I appreciate being a doormat for elected scum. That doesn't mean that I think there is some kind of virtue in being played for a fool. There isn't. So instead I will simply refuse to play. Why be insulted? Why line up to have crap rubbed in your face? There's no point in playing in a rigged game and between the Democrats actively committing fraud to get elected and the Republicans actively trying to throw one election after another well, again, screw it.

In a doomsday scenario, hippies will be among the first casualties. So not everything about doomsday will be bad.

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 01:35:05 AM »
Believe me, I have thought long and hard about the future of this country, in terms of the next few decades. This is a walking issue for all of us, I believe. Rush's theory is that GOP might even actually want that result. They want to jettison conservatives, small government libertarians, and traditionalist, religious people. They're embarrassed of us, embarrassed like the teenage kids when grandpaw audibly says a blessing before the meal -- in a restaurant no less! where...gasp! -- other people can see and hear.  I guess they're convinced they can wash their hands of us, and having jettisoned the embarrassing political baggage will finally start to attract voters away from the Democrats. As if there are all these millions of people currently voting for left wing socialists who are eager to vote Republican just as soon as they get rid of those dang Bible thumpers.

I've also considered the possibility that some form of identity-based collectivism is now an unavoidable reality in the new America, and I have decided that if I am going to be subjected to collectivism it is going to be one that at least preserves the biological hardware that made Western Civilization possible. By that I mean an explicitly ethnic nationalism. I'm not going to see my world drown in brown.
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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 01:59:08 AM »
Feel free to elaborate on that. I would be interested.

I do wonder, though, if something like amnesty would be enough to push Texas to secede. I am holding onto my property there for that reason alone.

I figure that being born there and having property there pretty much guarantees me a citizenship if it ever comes to that.
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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 08:19:51 AM »
I hate those commercials. Personally, I don't think it will matter if you (we) vote or not. As I stated earlier, we lost California in the first " lets legalize illegals" in 1986. Lose one more large state ( Texas) because it is overrun and it's over anyways.

This was over with the first 108% of the vote for Obama with no news coverage or arrests.  The entire voting apparatus has been compromised,  and it doesn't matter if the illegals are "allowed in" or not.   Further this bill will drive working illegals out - Illegals have jobs because employers can avoid the high taxes, high wages and now the health care costs imposed by Obamacare. They know that keeping their jobs means remaining illegal. Only the deadbeats will become "citizens"  and vote, and then riot when not provided with free goodies.  The goal here is balkanization and destruction of America, individual freedom and any sort of capitalism. Anything that creates a "crises" they can use.

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 08:33:39 AM »
I think Romney lost because people who have been reliably voting Republican reached Trap's breaking point well before 2012. I think the party is already brain-dead, on life support.
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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 09:01:34 AM »
I think Romney lost because people who have been reliably voting Republican reached Trap's breaking point well before 2012. I think the party is already brain-dead, on life support.

Bingo. I forced myself to vote for him just because anyone (Anyone! Ron Paul!!!)  would have been better than Borat, and I still had some  hope it might change things.  The cheating, however, was so obvious and rank - from the numerous cover ups to out and out voter fraud,  that really that election  didn't matter, and no election coming will either.  Vote for the GOP, Indies, or not at all. The Democrats will win, because they have so compromised the system that its a joke. The entire edifice is illegitimate and corrupt.  Voting simply plays into the theater that its not.


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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 11:51:12 AM »
Feel free to elaborate on that. I would be interested.

I do wonder, though, if something like amnesty would be enough to push Texas to secede. I am holding onto my property there for that reason alone.

I figure that being born there and having property there pretty much guarantees me a citizenship if it ever comes to that.


Well I think, like Weisshaupt mentioned, that balkanization is now inescapable. Really it's already happening. I think the much heralded decline of the white population will actually hasten a renewed ethnonationalism. The Left and all the hipster trendies who think it's hip and cool to denigrate their own whiteness are, I believe, dancing on our graves prematurely. One of the very things they ridicule about white people in Americans is the supposed banality and blandness we have, the lack of a unique cultural trait. But that's really only because it's always been the mainstream, the backdrop on which all the others stood out. Richard Pryor had a stand up bit where he talked about going to Africa and how it was the reverse there, and he talked about seeing white people nervously looking for each other. He made comedy out of that, but I think the observation is true.

When I refer to preserving the biological hardware, by that I mean the genetic raw material that created and maintained our type of civilization. To continue with the computer analogy, we can weather a corruption of the operating system as long as the motherboard and CPU are still there. Sort of like Western Civilization enduring the Dark Ages. Europe re-emerged and reclaimed the science and philosophy of Greece and Rome. If in the intervening Dark Ages it had been largely overrun with Muslims and Mexicans, there would have been no more West.

I'm not a genetic fatalist, but I also recognize advanced civilization isn't a geographic coincidence. It just further chaps my ass that this inundation of every Western country with aliens is done against the desires of the native populations. Even in liberal socialist Europe most people don't like it (according to polls in the Netherlands and Scandinavia). Government is supposed to do what we tell it to do, and instead it is literally replacing us with dependent, compliant imports. It's mass disenfranchisement because every single one of these illegals they convert into a new voter is eliminating the political "life" of one of us.
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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 12:12:54 PM »
But that doesn't mean that I appreciate being a doormat for elected scum. That doesn't mean that I think there is some kind of virtue in being played for a fool. There isn't. So instead I will simply refuse to play. Why be insulted? Why line up to have crap rubbed in your face? There's no point in playing in a rigged game and between the Democrats actively committing fraud to get elected and the Republicans actively trying to throw one election after another well, again, screw it.

YES!


I was always one to vote even if the choices weren't great just so the Dems around here wouldn't think they had everyone's support.

Now I don't care because both parties are the same.




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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2013, 12:54:55 PM »
Strings must be cut, let the puppetmasters yank empty cords...I'm dancing to my own beat.

Pull up a chair, crack a cold one, light up a premium cigar and watch the collapse.

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2013, 01:26:56 PM »

Hey, LV, good to see you.

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2013, 01:53:59 PM »
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." - Mark Twain

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2013, 02:09:26 PM »
thanks!

See I didn't forget y'all

just needed a looong break not from IAL but all that other stuff! 
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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2013, 03:22:28 PM »
thanks!

See I didn't forget y'all

just needed a looong break not from IAL but all that other stuff! 

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2013, 06:21:30 PM »
My only problem is there are men and women who died to give me the right to vote. I feel it's my civic duty.

HOWEVER, there hasn't been squat (as far as representation) to vote for the last decade or so.

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Re: I Hereby Pledge To...
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2013, 06:40:21 PM »
Members of Congress:

This is a .30 caliber bullet.
It represents 10,000 citizens that do not want an amnesty law regardless of the drivel you dream up.
Here's a box of 100 bullets and a case of XXX after that. Do the math quickly people, that's how many will be willing to point those projectiles in your direction if you persist in this totally illogical behavior. If you people think we're kidding, go ahead, pass your amnesty, We guarantee the Fed Police won't be able to protect you from these bullets.

This is what you would call a revolt and you will have set fire to the fuse. All the blood will be on your hands and you'll never get the stains off. Remember, from time to time it will be necessary to water the tree of Liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike.
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