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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #80 on: July 01, 2013, 11:48:32 AM »
Jamie Foxx is doing his part to stage a race riot by pimping himself out with Trayvon swag at various awards thingies. Sure am glad his stupid movie tanked this weekend.

Linky is hinky...shoots me to Tahir Square...read enough about rape and mahem thank you very much.

Link fixed. Sorry about that. And you can't get enough rape and mayhem 'cause hope and change.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #81 on: July 01, 2013, 12:29:07 PM »
Jamie Foxx is doing his part to stage a race riot by pimping himself out with Trayvon swag at various awards thingies. Sure am glad his stupid movie tanked this weekend.

Linky is hinky...shoots me to Tahir Square...read enough about rape and mahem thank you very much.

Link fixed. Sorry about that. And you can't get enough rape and mayhem 'cause hope and change.

Nice.  So is sporting a picture of that punk any different than some caucasoid sporting a pic of Stalin?  I'm thinking not.  Both would be properly categorized as fools.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #82 on: July 01, 2013, 12:54:29 PM »
Just watched the reenactment video. It is compelling and I have no idea why the prosecution would admit it as evidence.

There is a photo diagram of Zimmerman's and Martin's movements at this site and it revealed to me for the first time that Martin actually went home and then came back to go after Zimmerman. Martin was on the phone with the incredibly dimwitted female at the time and told her that he was in his backyard and then hung up to go back after Zimmerman.

If that is true then the criminal intent of Martin is sort of undeniable. (Perhaps everyone but me knew that he went home and came back but I'm guessing that is not the case.)

The prosecution in Duke Lacrosse had more "evidence" than this.

Also at the site is the surveillance video of the 7/11 store where Martin is very obviously much taller and bigger than the 5'10" store clerk. But keep showing the pics of the thirteen year old kid.

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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #83 on: July 01, 2013, 01:43:20 PM »
The prosecution apparently continues to make the case for the defense today by playing and audio recording of Zimmerman being interviewed at the police station immediately after the shooting. His story is exactly the same as the one in the above reenactment video (consistency) and if it helps the state make their case I don't see it.

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Tape of Zimmerman’s retelling of the confrontation between himself and Martin could bolster the defense’s key contention: that Zimmerman reacted in self-defense.

Zimmerman began his interview with investigator Doris Singleton by saying that there had been a lot of crime in the area and  that he had started a neighborhood watch program. He said he spotted Martin, who he thought looked suspicious, and began to follow him.

At some point, Martin circled the night watchman’s car as he followed him through the neighborhood, Zimmerman said, then the teenager disappeared into the "darkness."

"The dispatcher told me 'Where are you?' and I said 'I am trying to find out where he went,' and he said, 'We don't need you to do that,' and I said 'OK," Zimmerman told the investigator.

Zimmerman then started to head back to his car, he says, but never got there.

"He [Martin] jumped out from the bushes, and he said 'What the [expletive] is your problem, homie?' and I got my cell phone out to call 911 this time, and I said, 'I don't have a problem.' And he goes, 'Now you have a problem,' and he punched me in the nose," said Zimmerman.

Zimmerman said the blow knocked him to the ground and Martin got on top of him.

"He puts his hand on my nose and my mouth, and he says 'You are going to die tonight," said Zimmerman. "As he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him."

"He is mounted on top of me, and I just shot him, and he falls off. And he's, like ,"Alright you got it, you got it."

This whole case comes down to Zimmerman's story and any evidence that might contradict it. The problem is that there isn't any. I suppose it is possible that Zimmerman has been lying the whole time, that he racially profiled Martin and decided for reasons unknown to murder him and that he somehow tricked Martin into beating his head against the concrete so that he could follow through with his diabolical plan. It's possible but it's extremely unlikely. In fact, it's ridiculous on its face but that seems to be the state's strategy or something. Maybe they think that they can trick Zimmerman into taking the stand and that they will intimidate him under cross examination (Perry Mason style) into confessing his evil deed. But I'm guessing not. Actually, I think that if they were able to get Zimmerman onto the stand he would mop the floor with the prosecuting attorney.

And I'm not thinking that there are going to be race riots over this, either. This is not Rodney King. King was progressively beaten more and more by several police officers after he would not comply with their commands. And it was all caught on video and played incessantly for months. The police officers actions were less than wise and they should have been disciplined in some significant way given the hype surrounding the case. But they weren't. And then they were all acquitted of any wrongdoing whatsoever while the media stoked the fire. And then there were riots.

I don't see anyone rioting over Martin. He is being revealed to be the aggressor rather than the victim. There is no video of him being shot in the back by Zimmerman while Zimmerman laughs maniacally. There is no police coverup. In fact, it's been quite the opposite. The media has been giving Zimmerman the full Richard Jewel treatment for a year now and it turns out that they have been lying about almost ever bit of it. Who is going to get worked up enough to riot over a cross between Duke Lacrosse and Richard Jewel? I don't think anyone is.

I also think that the nation's appetite for racial injustice is just about full up.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2013, 01:48:03 PM »

I don't see anyone rioting over Martin. He is being revealed to be the aggressor rather than the victim. ...

I also think that the nation's appetite for racial injustice is just about full up.

I don't thinks the facts will matter, and the left has been priming minorities and especially Blacks with "hate Whitey", "whitey is keeping you down", "whitiey is the cause of all your troubles" rhetoric for 50 years now.  The left wants division and fighting, and the semi-literate entitled barbarian hoard of blacks they have created via the school system and media- the same hoard willing to kill each other over sneakers,  will not be hard to incite.

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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2013, 01:51:46 PM »
More brilliance from the prosecution.

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2:07 p.m. ET: “Did he evidence that he was angry with Trayvon Martin?” asked O’Mara.

“No,” said Singleton.

“That he had hatred toward him?” asked O’Mara.

“No,” said Singleton.

“That he had anything that would suggest to you a bad attitude towards Trayvon Martin?” asked O’Mara.

“No,” said Singleton.

I presume that Singleton is a police investigator giving testimony. Perhaps I'm not up on the latest in prosecutorial techniques but I don't see how this helps. At all. I thought that if you had a witness who did not bolster your case you did everything in your power to prevent them from testifying or, at the very least, cast doubt on their testimony. I was under the impression that when you have a witness who is sort of hurting your case that you would immediately ask the judge to declare them a hostile witness and then act accordingly. Maybe this is "new law" sort of like "new math" or "ebonics."
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2013, 01:53:33 PM »
Just watched the reenactment video. It is compelling and I have no idea why the prosecution would admit it as evidence.

There is a photo diagram of Zimmerman's and Martin's movements at this site and it revealed to me for the first time that Martin actually went home and then came back to go after Zimmerman. Martin was on the phone with the incredibly dimwitted female at the time and told her that he was in his backyard and then hung up to go back after Zimmerman.

If that is true then the criminal intent of Martin is sort of undeniable. (Perhaps everyone but me knew that he went home and came back but I'm guessing that is not the case.)

The prosecution in Duke Lacrosse had more "evidence" than this.

Also at the site is the surveillance video of the 7/11 store where Martin is very obviously much taller and bigger than the 5'10" store clerk. But keep showing the pics of the thirteen year old kid.


This is where I go from already proclaiming the trial over, to advocating the prosecution be subject to the same punishment Zimmerman would have been subjected to, for malicious prosecution.

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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2013, 01:55:35 PM »

I don't see anyone rioting over Martin. He is being revealed to be the aggressor rather than the victim. ...

I also think that the nation's appetite for racial injustice is just about full up.

I don't thinks the facts will matter, and the left has been priming minorities and especially Blacks with "hate Whitey", "whitey is keeping you down", "whitiey is the cause of all your troubles" rhetoric for 50 years now.  The left wants division and fighting, and the semi-literate entitled barbarian hoard of blacks they have created via the school system and media- the same hoard willing to kill each other over sneakers,  will not be hard to incite.


Well, if you are correct then they sure picked an odd place for the riot to happen. Florida is chock full of gun owners who would act responsibly if a hoard of rioters suddenly began milling about. I am certain that that also would fit into the planned rioting and all but wouldn't it be better to have a riot in some place without armed citizens? That way you could have maximum mayhem. With an armed population it would be over pretty quickly I would think.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2013, 02:00:23 PM »

I don't see anyone rioting over Martin. He is being revealed to be the aggressor rather than the victim. ...

I also think that the nation's appetite for racial injustice is just about full up.

I don't thinks the facts will matter, and the left has been priming minorities and especially Blacks with "hate Whitey", "whitey is keeping you down", "whitiey is the cause of all your troubles" rhetoric for 50 years now.  The left wants division and fighting, and the semi-literate entitled barbarian hoard of blacks they have created via the school system and media- the same hoard willing to kill each other over sneakers,  will not be hard to incite.


Well, if you are correct then they sure picked an odd place for the riot to happen. Florida is chock full of gun owners who would act responsibly if a hoard of rioters suddenly began milling about. I am certain that that also would fit into the planned rioting and all but wouldn't it be better to have a riot in some place without armed citizens? That way you could have maximum mayhem. With an armed population it would be over pretty quickly I would think.

Would it be too diabolical of them to consider that a feature, not a bug?  (For them?  Nah.)  Their problem population gets dealt with -- and believe you me, the ferals are considered a problem, or will be when they are no longer considered tools -- and the blame is put on gun owners as .... vigilantes.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2013, 02:03:32 PM »
Yet more brilliance:

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2:49 p.m. ET: The prosecutor is playing video of Zimmerman's walk-through of the neighborhood that he did with police.

It's like they are trying to convince the jury that Zimmerman was rational and reasonable and acting in self defense.

Maybe they have a surprise witness that somehow didn't make it into discovery. Maybe they have secret recordings of Zimmerman describing how he's gonna go out and shoot him a young black man. Maybe they have NSA satellite surveillance video that shows Zimmerman chasing poor little thirteen-year-old Trayvon through the rain-soaked streets while screaming racial slurs and eventually tricking him into getting on top of him and repeatedly smashing his head so that he could get away with killing him.

Probably not but, hey...it's as good a theory at this point as anything else out there.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #90 on: July 01, 2013, 02:19:10 PM »

"Would it be too diabolical of them to consider that a feature, not a bug?  (For them?  Nah.)  Their problem population gets dealt with -- and believe you me, the ferals are considered a problem, or will be when they are no longer considered tools -- and the blame is put on gun owners as .... vigilantes."

If that's the play, think of a with the fuse at the 5 o'clock position.

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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #91 on: July 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM »
CNN releases Zimmerman's personal info to the world including his SS number.

I wouldn't expect anything else from the pros at CNN. Kind of surprised that MSNBC didn't do it first, though.

DailyKos and DemocratUnderground are both acting responsibly with the info, though.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #92 on: July 01, 2013, 03:06:40 PM »
There is no "surprise witness" as they have to be on a list and given to the opposing counsel prior to trial
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #93 on: July 01, 2013, 03:19:18 PM »
There is no "surprise witness" as they have to be on a list and given to the opposing counsel prior to trial

I know. It's a fantasy. That's why I added this qualifier: "...that somehow didn't make it into discovery."

Because you really do need to enter the realm of fantasy and make-believe to explain just about everything that the state is going with in this case. If you were to take all the media out of this and explain why it ever went to trial to someone who knew nothing about it they would say that you were making it up. It really is that ridiculous.
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« Reply #94 on: July 01, 2013, 03:28:00 PM »
CNN releases Zimmerman's personal info to the world including his SS number.

I wouldn't expect anything else from the pros at CNN. Kind of surprised that MSNBC didn't do it first, though.

DailyKos and DemocratUnderground are both acting responsibly with the info, though.

Wonder if the local reporting is in cue with the national MSM.  That will determine who the 40%ers will line up with.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #95 on: July 01, 2013, 03:33:39 PM »
CNN releases Zimmerman's personal info to the world including his SS number.

I wouldn't expect anything else from the pros at CNN. Kind of surprised that MSNBC didn't do it first, though.

DailyKos and DemocratUnderground are both acting responsibly with the info, though.


Fits perfectly with the Alinsky instruction manual: isolate and personalize the target, proceed to destroy it in the public forum.

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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #96 on: July 01, 2013, 03:36:51 PM »
There is no "surprise witness" as they have to be on a list and given to the opposing counsel prior to trial
No, they had a surprise witness, a gecko, lurking nearby but there's one major problem. This one can't command the English language like the Geico gecko can. The prosecution is searching tirelessly for a translator but can't seem to find one. Silly ass prosecutor! ::hysterical::
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« Reply #97 on: July 01, 2013, 04:25:13 PM »
The more I see of the prosecutors, the more I shake my head.

It's as if they are going to make sure that the Travon Martin contingent gets its day in court, and at the same time, ensuring that Zimmerman gets to walk.

I'm not a tin foil hat kind of guy, but this is the strangest prosecution that I have ever seen. It's as if the prosecutor drew the short straw and is intentionally trying to sabotage Andrea Corey's case. Could this be what happens when the powers that be in Tallahassee tell the local DA that "you will prosecute that Zimmerman guy, or the whole State is gonna burn. Just take it easy on the doughboy."
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #98 on: July 01, 2013, 11:53:19 PM »
Okay then...in keeping with the emerging and/or trending theme of this thread (that Zimmerman is probably going to walk and that there might be some kind of riot happen somewhere or other) I think that this blog post is rather timely.

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As much as no sane person would want urban and suburban rioting, there are thugs making noise in social media that they would use the acquittal of Florida neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman as an excuse to riot and loot on a grand scale, not just in Sanford, FL where events took place, or in Florida, but nationwide. These criminals—there’s no other way to describe them—are asserting that they will use an acquittal as a excuse nationwide to go on a rampage in many areas.

The last time we saw rioting on a very large scale, it was very, very bad.

While it is unlikely that such large-scale rioting would break out nationwide as a result of the verdict of the Zimmerman case, it isn’t a bad idea to make contingencies just in case.

The very first thing you need to do is figure out a neighborhood protection plan (NPP). If you haven’t figure done out with your neighbors, I’d suggest you get a copy of (shameless commercial plug coming) A Failure of Civility and start working with them on that, posthaste. A guy with a firearm is a threat. A group if citizens acting in concert for the defense of their community, taking advantage of their intimate knowledge of the local human and geographic terrain, is a formidable force that can face down the most determined mob.

The comments that follow this post are enlightening. The commenters debate which firearm (usually a rifle of some sort) and which cartridge is best for picking off rioters at a distance, how many magazines one should have loaded and on hand, etc.

A good and mostly short read.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread
« Reply #99 on: July 02, 2013, 12:57:39 AM »
A lot of it comes down to mental preparation. Have you gone over in your mind what you would do if you suddenly drove upon a Reginald Denny scenario? Most people haven't, and that's why most people fall back on the same behavior patterns that they use in the civilized world, which is to say coming to a stop to avoid hitting pedestrians. But situations like this are by definition anti-civilized, and you better be prepared to make quick adjustments to that reality. That means using your 2-3 ton weapon as necessary. Absolutely under no circumstances come to a stop in a riot situation.
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