Topic: Bunker2011

[Pandora]

According to common wisdom, the safest place for us during a tornado is in our little, tiny inside hallway closet.  We're in deep kimchee if we have to use it, us and the two cats.  If we have to duck in there, I'll be pitching stuff out like a mad woman because there's almost no floor space.

Lemme guess.... vacuum cleaner? Step ladder? Broom/dust pan?

Rug attachment (for whole-house vacuum cleaner; canister in crawl-space), stepstool, folded up aluminum platform for the short-shot here.  Takes very little room, but there isn't that much room to start with. 

All of that -- out -- and the contents of a couple of shelves as well; we'll stash the catzez up there.

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No, no flyswatter, just your treatise on how contract law is still viable in this country, i.e. toilet paper, capa tostA!

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I have been thinking about your suggestion, CO.  For various uses.  We just don't have that much available open land and I'm loathe to cut down any more trees, but it's not out of the question.

[charlesoakwood]

It's maybe 6' in diameter, put it under the porch.

I really expected JF to provide some commentary to this idea.

[Pandora]

It's maybe 6' in diameter, put it under the porch.

I really expected JF to provide some commentary to this idea.

Can't; we'd have to belly crawl to it.

Yeah, me too (on JF).  Knowitall that he is.

[John Florida]

It's maybe 6' in diameter, put it under the porch.

I really expected JF to provide some commentary to this idea.

Can't; we'd have to belly crawl to it.

Yeah, me too (on JF).  Knowitall that he is.

 Know it all?? You called??


  I wouldn't want to be underground since the storm can be dropping rain at ridiculous rates. But any way down here it's the overall construction that's the trick. Houses down here are built to reach the  exact opposite results that they are in snow country. The whole deal up north it for the house to carry a snow load here it built so nothing lifts off.

 But hurricanes are slower  but the last longer than tornadoes.Houses do have safe rooms but are disguised as master closets. The way they do that is by anchoring the cinder block walls to the slab and fill the block with cement and run steel rod all the way up in the cavities and the closet also has a solid steel door that opens into the closet that stays open so you don't see it and use bi-fold closet door that's visible from the outside.

 The ceiling can be steel plate over sheet rock so it all appears to be normal or you can use plywood in the ceiling over sheet rock.But it becomes a bunker.Wood frame House can be done by adding plywood in all the walls to stiffen a room to a point.


 I would rather do a cinder block shed/safe room. outside the main house.

[charlesoakwood]

For a tornado?

[radioman]

We can't get no rain here at my house for nothing. My grass is brown.

[John Florida]

For a tornado?

  Yes.

[Libertas]

An anchored reinforced structure should do the trick, not sure how big/expensive that is.

An Oklahoma-style storm cellar not an option eh?  Too low-lying/poor soil/drainage?

[John Florida]

An anchored reinforced structure should do the trick, not sure how big/expensive that is.

An Oklahoma-style storm cellar not an option eh?  Too low-lying/poor soil/drainage?

 The worst of it is the slab and footers. Depending where you live on how deep the footers go,down here it's 12/18 inches. The blocks are around 1.20 each and those are 8X16 and then the re-bar and concrete mix to fill them.If you never laid block the best way is to dry stack them and fill the cavities with concrete not mortar.

 The roof can be wood but you have to use brackets to tie it down to the concrete.

 The root cellar is probably no cheaper to build because you still need a floor and walls and roof.

[charlesoakwood]

That's a lot of work for a 10 minute tornado. 
I saw the pictures, there was nothing remaining in one piece.

[Libertas]

An anchored reinforced structure should do the trick, not sure how big/expensive that is.

An Oklahoma-style storm cellar not an option eh?  Too low-lying/poor soil/drainage?

 The worst of it is the slab and footers. Depending where you live on how deep the footers go,down here it's 12/18 inches. The blocks are around 1.20 each and those are 8X16 and then the re-bar and concrete mix to fill them.If you never laid block the best way is to dry stack them and fill the cavities with concrete not mortar.

 The roof can be wood but you have to use brackets to tie it down to the concrete.

 The root cellar is probably no cheaper to build because you still need a floor and walls and roof.

Yeah, makes sense to scrap the mortar and anchor on cement then.  Up here drain tile makes a big diff, and we go deeper in our foundations due to deeper frost layer.  I supose if you were building new, incorporating a bolt hole would be the only way to make the cost as cheap as possible, but for existing structures you are pretty much forced to work with what you have.

[charlesoakwood]

USA Flag burner at LSU

LSU Flag Burning Protest #2 - Haas Speaks to Media

[John Florida]

He might still get a richly deserved butt kicking in the next couple of days.

[charlesoakwood]

He might still get a richly deserved butt kicking in the next couple of days.

  God willing.

Played this one for Sectionhand, for the goodtimes.

[John Florida]

He might still get a richly deserved butt kicking in the next couple of days.

  God willing.

Played this one for Sectionhand, for the goodtimes.

 Inshal-ah(god willing) I'm practicing.

[charlesoakwood]

He might still get a richly deserved butt kicking in the next couple of days.

 God willing.

Played this one for Sectionhand, for the goodtimes.

 Inshal-ah(god willing) I'm practicing.

Hey radioman, check your radar.......or go outside!

[radioman]

I will have to wait until I get home, but here in the memorial area it was pouring. I still think my grass will be dry when I get home tho'.

EDIT:
It did rain here today!!

[charlesoakwood]

Jack Davis, New York Democrat poser as TeaParty candidate, and thug.

Jack Davis Assault 5 11 2011

[Libertas]

Jack Davis, New York Democrat poser as TeaParty candidate, and thug.

Jack Davis Assault 5 11 2011

If it acts like a Nazi and looks like a Nazi, I'm guessing this DemonRat is a Nazi.

[charlesoakwood]

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/story/2011/05/No-explanation-for-outbreak-of-insanity-on-planes/47067938/1

Aviation experts cannot explain what has prompted three airline passengers to try to open cabin or cockpit doors while in flight the past few days, but they say other passengers shouldn't worry. 
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[blockquote]"It's not possible to open an aircraft door in-flight, and cockpit doors have been reinforced," says American Airlines spokesman Ed Martelle.
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"Since airplanes typically cruise above 30,000 feet, the air pressure inside the plane is much greater than the pressure outside — and that pressure differential makes it impossible to open the door," Boeing's website says.[/blockquote]...

1. -> Tell that to D.B. Cooper
2. -> Explain why overpressure in the cabin would not help the door     
         open after it is unlatched.