It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: charlesoakwood on August 25, 2011, 11:12:07 PM
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Just because it isn't in the news doesn't mean it's not happening. (http://thesilicongraybeard.blogspot.com/2011/08/more-tales-from-over-regulated-state.html)
I noticed on the news today that the offices and factories of Gibson Guitars in Nashville and Memphis Tennessee were both raided yesterday (8/24) by armed federal agents, forcing a shutdown of operations, and sending employees home. Since I remembered hearing about Gibson being raided in 2009, this caught my attention.
What's going on here? Why is a company best known for producing electric guitars being raided by armed feds? Is it labor? Illegal aliens? Are they selling raw milk on the side? No, it's about wood. Wood?
Link (http://thesilicongraybeard.blogspot.com/2011/08/more-tales-from-over-regulated-state.html)
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FTL:
"...Reading something like this literally makes me sick. You are at the mercy of whoever decides to find something to charge you with, because anything can be argued to be illegal. And, yes, Ayn Rand's famous quote about tyrannies passing laws to make more criminals is ringing in my ears..."
Something tells me Gibson uses non-union labor and contributes to the GOP.
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Maybe this will cause some musicians and music fans to drop their liberal blinders. I can dream, can't I?
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An update from Gateway. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/08/obama-justice-department-shuts-down-gibson-guitar-for-breaking-indian-law-video/)
The Gibson Guitar CEO responded to the unjust raids today:
Henry Juszkiewicz, Chairman and CEO of Gibson Guitar Corp., has responded to the August 24 raid of Gibson facilities in Nashville and Memphis by the Federal Government. In a press release, Juszkiewicz said: “Gibson is innocent and will fight to protect its rights. Gibson has complied with foreign laws and believes it is innocent of ANY wrong doing. We will fight aggressively to prove our innocence.”
The raids forced Gibson to cease manufacturing operations and send workers home for the day while armed agents executed the search warrants. “Agents seized wood that was Forest Stewardship Council controlled,” Juszkiewicz said. “Gibson has a long history of supporting sustainable and responsible sources of wood and has worked diligently with entities such as the Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace to secure FSC-certified supplies. The wood seized on August 24 satisfied FSC standards.”
Juszkiewicz believes that the Justice Department is bullying Gibson without filing charges.
“The Federal Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. has suggested that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department’s interpretation of a law in India. (If the same wood from the same tree was finished by Indian workers, the material would be legal.) This action was taken without the support and consent of the government in India.”
Okay, I got it. We all are now expected to obey the DOJ's interpretation of laws of every other country's government -- validated or not -- as well as the kabillion foisted on us by our own.
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Follow the links
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110825/NEWS01/308250049/Gibson-raided-lips-zipped?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110825/NEWS01/308250049/Gibson-raided-lips-zipped?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE)
Gibson has been the subject of an ongoing federal lawsuit and a separate investigation into whether it illegally imported endangered ebony woods to use in its sought-after instruments.
And, according to the blog, it does seem to be about...plants.
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“The Federal Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. has suggested..."
OK, translated. Once again, someone didn't pay their bribe money to Bagboy Holder.
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41591_340106668155_6680084_n.jpg)
Tsk tsk
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Follow the links
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110825/NEWS01/308250049/Gibson-raided-lips-zipped?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110825/NEWS01/308250049/Gibson-raided-lips-zipped?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE)
Gibson has been the subject of an ongoing federal lawsuit and a separate investigation into whether it illegally imported endangered ebony woods to use in its sought-after instruments.
And, according to the blog, it does seem to be about...plants.
Plants ... and every other damn thing .... From the Silicon Greybeard blog:
In the last year of the W, the 2008 Farm Bill passed after his veto of it was over-ridden. Buried deep in this 663 page bill - that now seems tiny compared to the multi-thousand page engorged-tick monstrosity bills of the Obama administration - there was a provision nobody mentioned, nobody talked about, and nobody outside of a few activists even knew about until after the law was enacted. It was an amendment to the Lacey Act, a law passed in 1900, that "...prohibits trade in wildlife, fish, and plants that have been illegally taken, transported or sold" to quote the Wiki. I remember reading this summary in 2009, from the excellent piece on Classical Values, whose name I modified for this posting, and which you simply must read. Read this paragraph carefully:
This amendment deals with illegal plants -- the primary thrust being illegal wood. Henceforth, all wood is to be a federally regulated, suspect substance. Either raw wood, lumber, or anything made of wood, from tables and chairs, to flooring, siding, particle board, to handles on knives, baskets, chopsticks, or even toothpicks has to have a label naming the genus and species of the tree that it came from and the country of origin. Incorrect labeling becomes a federal felony, and the law does not just apply to wood newly entering the country, but any wood that is in interstate commerce within the country. Here are some excerpts from a summary:
Looking around my house, not one piece of wooden furniture - either the ones I built or the ones I bought - has a label telling the genus and species it came from along with the country of origin. Certainly the toothpicks and knife handles don't. I see perhaps 2 dozen felonies within eye shot. Perhaps I should shut up about that.
Anyone who imports into the United States, or exports out of the United States, illegally harvested plants or products made from illegally harvested plants, including timber, as well as anyone who exports, transports, sells, receives, acquires or purchases such products in the United States, may be prosecuted. (italics added, bold in original - GB)
This is mind-boggling. Virtually everything can be regulated under this law. What isn't included? Metal is about all I can think of. Here are some examples from the regulation summary with some highlighting I added.
...the scope of products that will require a declaration under the Lacey Act is broad and includes certain live plants, plant parts, lumber, wood pulp, paper and paperboard, and products containing certain plant material or products, which may include certain furniture, tools, umbrellas, sporting goods, printed matter, musical instruments, products manufactured from plant-based resins, and textiles.
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After September 30, 2009, based on experience with the implementation of the electronic system for declaration data collection, we will phase in enforcement of the declaration requirements for additional chapters containing plants and plant
products covered by the Lacey Act, including (but not limited to) Ch. 12 (oil seeds, misc. grain, seed, fruit, plant, etc.), Ch. 13 (gums, lacs, resins, vegetable saps, extracts, etc.), [vegetable saps and extracts? like olive oil, maple syrup? - gb] Ch. 14 (vegetable plaiting materials and products not elsewhere specified or included), [the wildcard so they can arrest you for anything - gb] Ch. 45 (cork and articles of), Ch. 46 (basket ware and wickerwork), Ch. 66 (umbrellas, walking sticks, riding crops), Ch. 82 (tools), Ch. 93 (guns), Ch. 95 (toys, games and sporting equipment), Ch. 96 (brooms, pencils, and buttons), and Ch. 97 (works of art). We will announce a specific phase-in schedule for those chapters in a subsequent Federal Register notice.
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Ch. 93 Headings (arms and ammunition).
9302 -- Revolvers and pistols.
93051020 --Parts and accessories for revolvers and pistols.
Ch. 94 Headings (furniture, etc.).
940169 -- Seats with wood frames.
Ch. 95 Headings (toys, games, & sporting equipment).
950420 -- Articles and accessories for billiards
Is your head spinning, yet? Did you know you're a felon if you buy, own, or sell anything in that list that doesn't comply with the law? This is the kind of stuff that will give you nightmares.
Reading something like this literally makes me sick. You are at the mercy of whoever decides to find something to charge you with, because anything can be argued to be illegal. And, yes, Ayn Rand's famous quote about tyrannies passing laws to make more criminals is ringing in my ears. Gibson's response makes it clear they believe they did everything legally, according to their legal team. What appears to be the charge is the violation of the laws of India as interpreted by the US DOJ!!
^^ This ^^ sort of thing is why I never opened my own business. Even in my 30s, I was aware the legal hoop-jumping was not worth it FOR ME; it would have driven me to the clock-tower then. Now? Right. Just giving Leviathan ammo to use against you, because it hasn't been possible for some time to know the laws we're supposed to follow, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
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Maybe this will cause some musicians and music fans to drop their liberal blinders. I can dream, can't I?
I doubt it. I've seen it in action. They covet guitars "just" like I covet guitars. They know the materials are on the ban list - and while they doggedly chant the dogma about "saving mother Earth" they deliberately choose the Mahogany neck, the Brazilian Rosewood fretboard, the ivory inlays, the Koa side pieces and the quilted Maple top. To be a leftist is to be a walking contradiction and hypocrite.
When I'm walking along and see a piece of wood I think to myself, "Wow, look at the grain and color of that wood! That would make a great top to a guitar!" 93 other people walking along see that same piece of wood and kick it out of their path. Am I right and they wrong? No. But neither is the 94th guy who sees that piece of wood and says, "Wow, look at the grain and color of that wood! We must preserve it untouched so future generations may enjoy it!"
This is a classic example of sh!t~for~brains leftists writing crappy law. I understand the need for some safeguards to keep idiots from killing every single elephant on the planet so that I can have ivory dots on my fretboard, but like everything else that they do, it is ill-considered, poorly crafted, and obsessively executed.
Now, I think I'll go play my Gibson 12-string and wait for the SWAT team to arrive.
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Quite the story down gere.....Quite the gov't we have.
Buried in a bill....Hmmmm..... makes me wonder what else is buried there....or in obamacare.
Gibson already had financial issues due to the flood we had.
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....Given the risks, why don't musicians just settle for the safety of carbon fiber? Some do—when concert pianist Jeffrey Sharkey moved to England two decades ago, he had Steinway replace the ivories on his piano with plastic.
Still, musicians cling to the old materials. Last year, Dick Boak, director of artist relations for C.F. Martin & Co., complained to Mother Nature News about the difficulty of getting elite guitarists to switch to instruments made from sustainable materials. "Surprisingly, musicians, who represent some of the most savvy, ecologically minded people around, are resistant to anything about changing the tone of their guitars," he said.
You could mark that up to hypocrisy—artsy do-gooders only too eager to tell others what kind of light bulbs they have to buy won't make sacrifices when it comes to their own passions. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.html) Then again, maybe it isn't hypocrisy* to recognize that art makes claims significant enough to compete with environmentalists' agendas.
*Yes. Yes it is hypocrisy.
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Given the risks, why don't musicians just settle for the safety of carbon fiber?
Because we can't anticipate what the lunatic left is going to demonize next. BTW: I thought that they had determined that carbon=bad?
Witness the debate about grocery bags. First they said that paper bags were denuding America (paper=bad) and demanded that we switch to plastic bags (plastic=good). Then one of the pinheads decided that plastic took too long to decompose (plastic=bad) and demanded that we return to paper (paper=good). Then the two extremes of the sh!t end of the stick confronted each other and decided both were bad (everything=bad) and demanded that we use cloth bags.
When it was noted that cloth bags were contributing to illness by harboring more germs than the predecessor methods the left threw up their hands and said, "fuk it - shove it in your pockets!" (OK, I made that part up).
The one thing I've learned from all of this? Liberals=Lunatics
Nerf guitars for everyone!
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I'd be laughing because of the ironically succinct way in which you wrote that, Soup, if I wasn't damned infuriated about it all.
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When it was noted that cloth bags were contributing to illness by harboring more germs than the predecessor methods the left threw up their hands and said, "fuk it - shove it in your pockets!" (OK, I made that part up).
You might have made that part up, but that's the gist of it alright. This hubris, this imperious "well it's your problem, deal with it" attitude is exactly why government should be kept small and limited. It really has nothing to do with any particular ideology, it's the mere fact of its huge size that enables this sort of crap. The environmentalists could fantasize all they want about forcing us back into a Stone Age existence, without a big government in place those fantasies would never advance to the point of being enacted.
I watched a show on Animal Planet last night about the new explosive comeback of bedbugs all over the country. They showed several families whose lives have been virtually ruined by infestations they can't get rid of. People have blown their life savings on bizarre treatments like having their entire house heated to 150 degrees in order to kill the bugs. The point in this example, as it relates to the thread topic, is that people have their entire lives, livelihoods, and personal dreams and desires tossed aside by the capricious whims of feel-good enviromarxists. Bedbugs, as you may know, were virtually eliminated by the introduction of DDT in the late 40s. Their comeback is entirely due to the fiat-ban of DDT. I'm sitting here watching that show, seeing people literally surrender their homes to a bunch of insects, and it's entirely because of environmentalists. The banning of DDT is also to blame for the dramatic resurgence of malaria in Africa and other tropical areas of the world.
To me that's the biggest argument in favor of limited government. By keeping it within narrowly prescribed bounds, you make nonsense like these two examples non-starters. The mushy-middle wants to know why we are so insistent on limited government? It's because it curtails future, as-yet unimagined idiocy by denying them the apparatus they would need to impose their idiocy.
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...The mushy-middle wants to know why we are so insistent on limited government? It's because it curtails future, as-yet unimagined idiocy by denying them the apparatus they would need to impose their idiocy.
True, true. And yet I would add that undoing what is already done is of equal if not greater motivation. Shrinking government won't necessarily in and of itself accomplish what needs to happen, and the idiocy with which we are already burdened is unacceptable to free people, let alone what the idiots may attempt in the future. The apparatus can go away, but the regulation and statute will still exist without proactive initiatives by that smaller future government.
So many things must happen in order to put things right. Some days the only thing that keeps me from despair is the futility of despair and the need for hope.
The United States federal government is attacking and threatening the existence of Gibson Guitars. As a musician and and owner of a fine piece of Gibson Americana (1982 Les Paul Black Beauty, purchased brand new in '82), I cannot explain how troubling this is to me. It makes me feel like the country is truly, finally lost.
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I'm back - and breathless from the workout. I decided to entertain the neighborhood with all my guitars - loudly. (It's OK most of them approve ;)
A while ago I decided to become a badger. I never cared much for badgers - they're not the most appealing critters around. Quiet, unassuming, they tend to their own business and leave their neighbors alone.
But mess with them and they become ounce for ounce the baddest mofo's around. I take care of myself and my little family and don't break any of the important laws. The rest of them can, like Bassmouth Waters said, "Go to hell". I have my distinctly illegal (by their interpretation) firearms and my now politically incorrect and apparently illegal music instruments and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let them go.
The left can continue to cry all they want....but I would caution them in the same way that my dear ol dad used to caution me...
"Keep it up and I'll give you something to cry about".
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...dear ol dad used to caution me...
"Keep it up and I'll give you something to cry about".
My dad used to say the same damn thing. I eventually figured it out.
I don't trust Leftists to possess the same wisdom as an 8 year-old child. In fact, I think they believe the roles are reversed, and that we're the children in need of scolding and reminding of who's boss. Thus, the impasse and the future it brings.
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FTL: "...Reading something like this literally makes me sick. You are at the mercy of whoever decides to find something to charge you with, because anything can be argued to be illegal. And, yes, Ayn Rand's famous quote about tyrannies passing laws to make more criminals is ringing in my ears..."
Something tells me Gibson uses non-union labor and contributes to the GOP.
Ding Ding Winner ::beertoast::
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Arrest this man, he forced money upon Gibson and made them do it.
John Mclaughlin mahavishnu Orchestra 1974 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QZnnaI7rY#)
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How to Turn Guitarists Into Tea Partiers: Take Their Gibsons Away (http://ht.ly/6e56d)
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Soup,I'm stealing your dad's comment for my signature. Fits my mood today.
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Obama Justice Department has become the Caporegime of the Chicago Thug-in-Chief.
And just when I thought we reached a new low when the freakin Education Department participates in a SWAT style door breakdown of somebody's house cause a payment wasn't made.
Wake up you stupid Americans. This country is disappearing before our very eyes.
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One of Gibson’s leading competitors is C.F. Martin & Company. The C.E.O., Chris Martin IV, is a long-time Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic candidates and the DNC over the past couple of election cycles. According to C.F. Martin’s catalog, several of their guitars contain “East Indian Rosewood.” In case you were wondering, that is the exact same wood in at least ten of Gibson’s guitars.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/08/ceo-of-gibson-guitars-main-competitor.html (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/08/ceo-of-gibson-guitars-main-competitor.html)
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We see what "they" are doing. "They" know we see what "they" are doing, and "they" don't care because "they" believe we are powerless to stop "them".
"THEY" are wrong.
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Is there a rival benefiting from this that handed a pile of money to the Obamites or can we expect a flood of cheap foreign made instruments?
::gaah::
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Is there a rival benefiting from this that handed a pile of money to the Obamites or can we expect a flood of cheap foreign made instruments?
::gaah::
Um, see BigAlSouth's comment two up from yours.
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Is there a rival benefiting from this that handed a pile of money to the Obamites or can we expect a flood of cheap foreign made instruments?
::gaah::
Um, see BigAlSouth's comment two up from yours.
Ah ha, we knew it! These bastids are so fricken consistent!
Payback gonna be a bitch come 2013...if we make it to 2013!
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What also displeases me to no end is that such a raid has to have the blessing of the local United States Attorney. Some dumbass Democrat with a J.D. degree had to have advised the local Feds that the raid was proper under U.S. law.
Damn those bastards to hell.
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Remember, W only dismissed a select few and was crucified for it, Obama replaced 100% and the MFM didn't bat an eye. No surprise at all one could be found, eh?
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Filed under Business, Ethics, Politics
The Gibson Guitar saga has taken a sinister turn.
It seems that the Department of Justice wasn't satisfied with merely raiding the law abiding factories of Gibson Guitar with armed agents, shutting down their operation costing them millions, and leaving the American company in the dark as to how to proceed without going out of business.
Now, according to CEO Henry Juszkiewicz, agents of the United States government are bluntly informing them that they’d be better off shipping their manufacturing labor overseas.
In an interview with KMJ AM’s “The Chris Daniel Show,” Juszkiewicz revealed some startling information.
CHRIS DANIEL: Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?
HENRY JUSZKIEWICZ: They actually wrote that in a pleading.
Post Continues on www.redstate.com (http://www.redstate.com)
Paranoia? Yes, probably! I just don't think Obama wants a second term. Why would he? He has already loused this Nation up about as much as he can. It will take years to clean up the excrement he has thrown our way. The thing is, if he announced he isn't running, the liberals would barbecue him. To leave them holding the bag now would be suicide. No I think he is looting the Country, collecting big bucks from Uncle Georgie accumulating in an Offshore, and planning on living in a non extradition Country living Fat! ::rant::
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CEO is on Glenn Beck now reiterating his claim of feds' suggestion.
This is so totally over the top.
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CEO is on Glenn Beck now reiterating his claim of feds' suggestion.
This is so totally over the top.
Casablanca gambling? I'm shocked! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME#) ::whatgives::
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I'm listening to that too.
You really can't make this sh*t up fast enough to match the antics of The Regime!
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Let me take a wild guess...their workforce is non-union?
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Let me take a wild guess...their workforce is non-union?
Why Yes, and they contribute to GOP while their major competitor contributes to Dems. Shocked! I am to find gambling in this establishment.
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CHRIS DANIEL: Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?
From what I understand, this addresses the issue of the Feds' previous 2009 raid. They've yet to get around to the current one.
Can't make this stuff up ........
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I heard the guy on Beck's show also. Glenn asked what could people do to help? And the CEO said contact their congressmen. IMHO, that's not enough. If I lived in Nashville , me and my friends, would rally at Gibson's with supporting signs and then caravan to to the local offices of the Congressman and Senator and register our concerns. And maybe a musical rally too.
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I would love to see a huge Rally in DC next Spring, just a few of our closest millions of friends. So many, the street lights come on because light is blocked out. If they care about their Country, they'll come, or else face what Poland did in 1939 and then again in 1948. Can't happen here? BS! ::saywhat::
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I had wondered how the good people of Germany in the 30s allowed themselves to be overtaken. It was more of a daydream than a desire to have intimate knowledge how it happened. ::rockets::
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CHRIS DANIEL: Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?
From what I understand, this addresses the issue of the Feds' previous 2009 raid. They've yet to get around to the current one.
Can't make this stuff up ........
Every republican running for POTUS should fly there and have a rally and bring every news outlet from all over the world there.
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CHRIS DANIEL: Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?
From what I understand, this addresses the issue of the Feds' previous 2009 raid. They've yet to get around to the current one.
Can't make this stuff up ........
Every republican running for POTUS should fly there and have a rally and bring every news outlet from all over the world there.
That would take too much TONE wouldn't it? ::USA:: ::Stars & Stripes::
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Naturally, I like that idea. It would not only bother the heck out of the Left, it would make the Ruling Class pukes in the GOP go pale!
::whoohoo::
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Naturally, I like that idea. It would not only bother the heck out of the Left, it would make the Ruling Class pukes in the GOP go pale!
::whoohoo::
Me thinks it may be time to 'French Revolution' the Ruling Class Pukes, or RCP. ::guillotine::
Anybody got a rope? ;)
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Guitar-Playing Rep. Thad McCotter on Gibson Raid: ‘One More Reason Big Gov’t Doesn‘t Rock’ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/guitar-playing-rep-thad-mccotter-on-gibson-raid-one-more-reason-big-govt-doesnt-rock/)
Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, the guitar-playing congressman from Michigan and GOP presidential candidate, had strong words for the federal raids on Gibson Guitar factories this week...
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...“It‘s one more reason big government doesn’t rock,” McCotter told host Chris Daniel on Beck radio affiliate KMJ 105.9 in Fresno, Calif. Friday.
“You‘re looking at American artisans having the federal government come in and tell them they’d be better off if they let people in Madagascar or elsewhere do the work is insane,” McCotter said. “That’s outsourcing by government fiat from an administration that claims to oppose it.”
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If there can be anything positive to come from the Gibson situation, McCotter said, it would be to “show artists exactly why big government is a problem.”
Listen to the full interview below:
Rep. McCotter Blasts Obama's "Insane" Policies: Gibson Edition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPQaqetlyBM#)
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I wish somebody would say, "This isn't government; it's organized crime."
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I wish somebody would say, "This isn't government; it's organized crime."
It'll have to get worse before politicians will go there. For now it's up to us. But I feel ya.
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I wish somebody would say, "This isn't government; it's organized crime."
Agreed.....And will be my choice from this day forward.
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I wish somebody would say, "This isn't government; it's organized crime."
It's organized crime made legal; an oxymoron, I know. Nevertheless .......
And I've got some boob here (local forum) defending the raid on the grounds that Gibson makes a crap guitar from inferior materials using poor craftsmanship. Which, I guess, makes it okey-dokey with him that we now have armed "wood police".
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...And I've got some boob here [saying] that Gibson makes a crap guitar from inferior materials using poor craftsmanship...
That person does not have a clue what they're talking about.
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...And I've got some boob here [saying] that Gibson makes a crap guitar from inferior materials using poor craftsmanship...
That person does not have a clue what they're talking about.
SSDD, IDP. Same boob I went round&round with over the "handwriting is script" issue; who insists there is "no such thing as race"; that "of course English should be taught -- but shouldn't be our national language", with a soft-spot for illegals.
He's the band teacher in one of our high schools. (Wouldn't that make you just so happy he's in contact with kids?)
He asserts that as he also repairs instruments, he should know how bad Gibson's are.
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It's the same kind of contrarian personality that will insist to their dying breath that Harley Davidsons are junk. They don't like the price tag, the exclusivity, and the loyalty of owners, so they create a set of "facts" in their own mind and repeat them as if their assertion supports the "facts".
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It's the same kind of contrarian personality that will insist to their dying breath that Harley Davidsons are junk. They don't like the price tag, the exclusivity, and the loyalty of owners, so they create a set of "facts" in their own mind and repeat them as if their assertion supports the "facts".
Yep. AND .... he's a lefty, so in his world, Martin is a "conservative" company even though they donate primarily to the left.
People like him do not understand the world of sht gonna be coming down on every holder of old musical instruments if the F & W "Service" decides to go full monte on their asses.
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Yea, he's a real pip. I bet he feeeeeeels that he is 'saving' the kids from 'right-wingnuts' when I know he's creating docile little sheep - ready for the slaughterhouse.
I am just the tiniest bit disappointed (there's that word again!) - I thought that this might be one issue that would cross the ideological divide. Perhaps the lack of other lefty commenters tells the true story and this guy is just the outlier. After all he is a snob (although I can't fathom why ;-) Luthier my azz - I wouldn't let him touch a Howdy-Doody wind-up guitar.
I gargoyled the story with a mind towards getting stronger corroboration of the Martin side of things, especially the political contributions. I hate repeating something that I can't actually defend. There are hundreds of stories out there but they're mostly cookie-cutter copy/paste hack jobs. It's almost as if they're leaving it up to the commenters (like us) to ferret out the details. Lazy bums!
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Yea, he's a real pip. I bet he feeeeeeels that he is 'saving' the kids from 'right-wingnuts' when I know he's creating docile little sheep - ready for the slaughterhouse.
I am just the tiniest bit disappointed (there's that word again!) - I thought that this might be one issue that would cross the ideological divide. Perhaps the lack of other lefty commenters tells the true story and this guy is just the outlier. After all he is a snob (although I can't fathom why ;-) Luthier my azz - I wouldn't let him touch a Howdy-Doody wind-up guitar.
I gargoyled the story with a mind towards getting stronger corroboration of the Martin side of things, especially the political contributions. I hate repeating something that I can't actually defend. There are hundreds of stories out there but they're mostly cookie-cutter copy/paste hack jobs. It's almost as if they're leaving it up to the commenters (like us) to ferret out the details. Lazy bums!
From the interview with Henry (last name looks like an eye-chart), Gibson's CEO, he says he's given to both Dems & Reps over the years, more to Reps lately.
I can't remember where I saw it, but donor information about Chris Martin IV, CF Martin's CEO was sourced from OpenSecrets.org.
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Yep. I knew this is what he would say, (http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P5169) and I've been waiting nevertheless ........
{hah!} Who f**king cares? The dekulakization has begun: who f**king cares?
My e-mail inbox has been flooded with popular requests to address this on my blog. I have nothing to say about it: I've said it all before. Tell me: why shouldn't I turn cynical and throw every one of you to the dogs? Why shouldn't I start voting? Why shouldn't I start paying taxes to fund these sonsofbitches?
They came for my cigarettes -- who among you said one word against it? I could ask questions like this all day long and there are no answers.
Why should I care? I've got a bagful of nice guitars, and when they take them away from me, then I'll be in the same leaking kayak with the rest of you, with one signal difference: I always told you they were coming, and almost all of you always thought I was out of my mind.
Well, I wasn't. I was way ahead of all of you.
Tell me why I should give one sh*t in the world, now.
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I heard the CEO of Gibson on Mark Levin...his competition is all union and Gibson isn't....He gets Raided and his competitors don't...Same sources of wood but the are all union and Gibson isn't..the union scum and their allies strike again.. ::rockethrow::
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I wish somebody would say, "This isn't government; it's organized crime."
I think I already did . . . In this thread . . .
Obama Justice Department has become the Caporegime of the Chicago Thug-in-Chief.
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It's the same kind of contrarian personality that will insist to their dying breath that Harley Davidsons are junk. They don't like the price tag, the exclusivity, and the loyalty of owners, so they create a set of "facts" in their own mind and repeat them as if their assertion supports the "facts".
Yep. AND .... he's a lefty, so in his world, Martin is a "conservative" company even though they donate primarily to the left.
People like him do not understand the world of sht gonna be coming down on every holder of old musical instruments if the F & W "Service" decides to go full monte on their asses.
Finally made it work! Scroll down to Martin, Christian.
Martin donation information. (http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?name=Martin%2C+Chris&state=&zip=&employ=&cand=&old=Y&sort=N&capcode=wjnwn&submit=Submit)
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Yea, a day or two after that conversation I figured out how to get Chris's contributions, but I can't make the database divulge what (if anything) the company contributed.
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Yea, a day or two after that conversation I figured out how to get Chris's contributions, but I can't make the database divulge what (if anything) the company contributed.
Hmmm. Why is that important?
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Yea, a day or two after that conversation I figured out how to get Chris's contributions, but I can't make the database divulge what (if anything) the company contributed.
Hmmm. Why is that important?
If you look at the coach's assertion, even though he denies that the political activities are irrelevant (bullsh!t), Gibson, Inc. donated to the GOP but the CF Martin Co. didn't donate to the dhimmis.
I can't tell if they did or didn't.
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I didn't find anything for "Gibson, Inc." or the several permutations of CF Martin Guitar Co. either, did you?
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No, I couldn't get the corporate reporting part to work at all. It was pointless for me to attempt to corroborate the Gibson donations until I got a handle on any Martin donations.
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Bain Capital, Mitt Romney, and Guitar Center. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Capital)
[blockquote]Bain Capital was founded in 1984 by Bain & Company partners Mitt Romney, T. Coleman Andrews III, and Eric Kriss.[/blockquote]
<snip>
[blockquote]....2007, Jun – [Bain Capital] Signs an agreement with Guitar Center to purchase the music retailer for $1.9 billion, plus $200 million in debt. The buyout will be for $63 per share, a 26% premium on June 26's closing price. The deal was approved by shareholders on September 18, 2007 and closed October 9, 2007.[/blockquote]
Guitar Center is the leading national retailer of... Gibson Guitars.
Anything to it? If so, it is certainly something that has gone completely un-disclosed in media reports, and un-discussed by the Romney campaign.
The DOJ is going above the law to target a company that supplies a staple product for a retailer owned by Mitt Romney's financial interest.
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Jumpin' gee hose a fat!!!
Publish this. Be sure and tell us when and where.
My o my, it's going to be necessary for Court TV to add several more channels.
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Jumpin' gee hose a fat!!!
Publish this. Be sure and tell us when and where.
My o my, it's going to be necessary for Court TV to add several more channels.
I tried to do a little more investigative digging, but didn't come up with anything supporting my suspicion. I can only make the loose correlation, and cannot show any direct connection.
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My only question would be is Romney still big in Bain, if so, it will make a wonderful conjecture.
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If nothing else I can't wait to casually mention to the hipsters at Guitar Center that their boss might become the Mittster. Just think of the distress that'll cause ::evilbat::
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My only question would be is Romney still big in Bain, if so, it will make a wonderful conjecture.
Just checked on that. He officially left Bain in 1999 when he went to serve as President of the Olympic organizing committee. But he continues to receive a profit share as a retired partner, with him, his wife, and all his children and grandchildren's wealth being held in blind trusts. Bottom line is his entire family's wealth is directly tied to Bain to this day.
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If nothing else I can't wait to casually mention to the hipsters at Guitar Center that their boss might become the Mittster. Just think of the distress that'll cause ::evilbat::
That already happened in 2007. Or, more accurately, Bain Capital bought GC in 2007, and Romney continues to receive profit share from Bain in blind trusts.
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In '07? And that li'l link didn't come out in the previous campaign?
Well. Woohoo. It will this time. No knocks against your investigative skills, IDP, but you found it.
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Romney's disclosures (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44125985/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/romneys-wealth-high-million/) describe at least $3 million in investments from Bain Capital, the Boston venture capital firm he co-founded in 1984. Some of the assets were part of a retirement agreement with Bain and reflected the values of those investments before the agreement expired in December 2010.
Bain is also the former employer of Edward Conard, a former Romney co-worker and investor who secretly contributed $1 million — through a short-lived company, W Spann LLC — to a Romney-leaning political committee, Restore Our Future, before coming forward as the donor.
So it can be said unequivocally that Bain Capital is a potential source of campaign funding for Mitt Romney. By dinging Gibson Guitars, the DOJ would only be placing a fly in the ointment by affecting Guitar Center's bottom line and causing consternation for the retailer that would potentially filter up to Bain. And not to forget the obvious - that Gibson Guitars is a known contributor to the GOP.
I don't think conclusions can be drawn, except to say that this administration has developed a pattern of attacking and harassing enemies and rewarding friends, and going after Mitt Romney's financing in petty vindictive ways would certainly fit that pattern.
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Don't overlook the deridement factor ...... "look at Romney family raking in money from lawbreaking enterprise".
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Romney's disclosures (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44125985/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/romneys-wealth-high-million/) describe at least $3 million in investments from Bain Capital, the Boston venture capital firm he co-founded in 1984. Some of the assets were part of a retirement agreement with Bain and reflected the values of those investments before the agreement expired in December 2010.
Bain is also the former employer of Edward Conard, a former Romney co-worker and investor who secretly contributed $1 million — through a short-lived company, W Spann LLC — to a Romney-leaning political committee, Restore Our Future, before coming forward as the donor.
So it can be said unequivocally that Bain Capital is a potential source of campaign funding for Mitt Romney. By dinging Gibson Guitars, the DOJ would only be placing a fly in the ointment by affecting Guitar Center's bottom line and causing consternation for the retailer that would potentially filter up to Bain. And not to forget the obvious - that Gibson Guitars is a known contributor to the GOP.
I don't think conclusions can be drawn, except to say that this administration has developed a pattern of attacking and harassing enemies and rewarding friends, and going after Mitt Romney's financing in petty vindictive ways would certainly fit that pattern.
He is President Vendetta.
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Gibson Guitar CEO warns that jobs may be sent overseas in aftermath of DOJ raid (http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/13/gibson-guitar-ceo-warns-that-jobs-may-be-sent-overseas-in-aftermath-of-doj-raid/)
In August the Department of Justice raided Gibson Guitar facilities in Memphis and Nashville, alleging a violation of the so-called Lacey Act, a law which bans the importation of certain kinds of wildlife, plants and wood.
And although two months have passed, Gibson Guitars CEO Henry Juszkiewicz has taken an unusually aggressive posture against the DOJ. On Wednesday, he told The Daily Caller there could be casualties from the DOJ’s actions, first of which he said may be higher guitar prices.
“It’s a zero-sum game,” he said. “You don’t create money out of thin air. So a dollar goes to lawyers in Washington, D.C. is a dollar that comes out of our consumers’ pockets, period.”
But he also cautioned that American jobs could be lost and sent overseas.
“You know, there’s a very real possibility we will have to move at least some processing [jobs] overseas,” Juszkiewicz said. “I’m trying to avoid that. But you know, I have to do what the business requires, and that’s a very realistic possibility.”
As for the aggressive response, Juszkiewicz explained he chose that strategy, over one that would involve less media exposure and more lawyers, because he was forced to.
“We had no choice,” Juszkiewicz said. “The things the Justice Department was doing was closing down our business and laying low was just not an option. Laying low would have meant really injuring our business significantly.”
More @ DailyCaller...
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While tempted to say, "Don't play checkers with a guy who plays chess" I'm reminded of the behemoth that is Øbongo's 'justice' department.
I fear that yet another American icon is going to be chewed up and spit out.
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No music for you! (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/washington-secrets/2012/05/feds-threaten-disrupt-summer-concerts/626621)
Lawmakers are scrambling to save the summer concert season from federal agents poised to seize the instruments of rock and country stars because the wood used to make them may have been illegally harvested--and without their knowledge.
::bashing::
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Man, they are having a good time.
Payback is going to be expensive.
On the other hand everyone is being exposed to his disease.
Even if the liberal doesn't recognize it for the virulence that it is
he recognizes his own inconvenience and from whence it emanates.
That is why Reagan won all but one state.
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No music for you! (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/washington-secrets/2012/05/feds-threaten-disrupt-summer-concerts/626621)
Lawmakers are scrambling to save the summer concert season from federal agents poised to seize the instruments of rock and country stars because the wood used to make them may have been illegally harvested--and without their knowledge.
::bashing::
Some American musicians have changed out the parts and pieces of their instruments to avoid having them confiscated. The name escapes me now, but one such had the ivory keys on his piano replaced with plastic.
There is a fiction book called "Unintended Consequences", written in the '90s, the first part of which factually documents these sorts of incursions upon our liberty over the decades.
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So, the phrase 'tinkle the ivories' is now considered hate speech?
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So, the phrase 'tinkle the ivories' is now considered hate speech?
Only if you happen to be conservative. :P
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Yet another reason, by choice, my democratic friend base dwindles....Most people who know me understand, if you consider me a friend, you better keep your political thought to yourself, if you fancy yourself a democrat.
Since Gibson is in my backyard, this has been a topic of discussion, heated discussion.
Please excuse the rant. I need to vent because my choice to call people idiots is hard on my wife, as I, along with my brother, are not the most popular guys at family gatherings within the small base of family idiots and thier idiot friends they always invite. Plus, my wife doesn't post, but she does read the threads because I ask her so she understands there are others with like mind, who are not idiots.
I'm not going to discuss the topic of Gipson, but how we came to call a select few idiots, as I believe it is self explanatory the vindictiveness of this administration regarding Gibson Guitar.
I little history. Our family, can reach up to 40 people at a gathering ( and we gather for literally, everything). I'm usually laid back at these things, have a good time, no serious discussions, just food, games, etc. I want to relax, not debate. It became the classic example of the minority exerting thier will on the majority, using topics like religion, politics, birth control, "the rich", taxation ( the few are the elvis costollo/ OWS types, always proclaiming how God had led them to do this, that, support this, that...the basic liberal abuse of religion), throwing out the race card about obama, how he is being impeded by republicans you know the irritating types, they can't have a good time unless they are making someone else miserable. This has literally been going on for years.
Finally, after the bro and I had talked, we decided to challenge the thought process, never starting the discussions but willing to end them, earnestly at first, but over the last 16 months, we have become aggressive. Early, It was fun to refute ...and always easy. Plus, we were a little disturbed a few more didn't call them out and needed to grow some, especially on the religious front. The early banter was lite, we poked holes and fun, but our goal was to stop some in the family from consoling these little weasels and acting as if thier actions were ok....and we have succeeded.
But......the last year has taken on its own life. As we refuted thier baseless assertions,libs do what they do best when knocked off thier self imposed pedestals.... the attacks became personal in nature against me and the bro. Things like questioning our "caring", asserting we buy into the "race card", questioning our standing with "God" because we don't want to redistribute our wealth, all the lib crap....... So, the term "useful idiots" has became our acknoledgement when the useful obama idiots are so insistant in bringing up topics in which they are incapable of defending.
So now, here I sit.....And there is a large graduation party to attend today, where all the usefull idiots will be gathered, too stupid to realize thier blassed obama has endorsed gay marriage, about to have obamacare ruled unconstitutional, gays in the military, new budget battle.....So many obama gaffs since the last gathering......Will they be smart enough to keep quiet?
Hey honey, I promise I'll be good, I won't start a thing.....I'm there to eat and drink and give congrat hugs.....But if the useful idiots start.
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Bless you, Don; I don't know how you do it. Good thing I live so far from my extended family in NJ; there would be a brawl at every gathering.
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You should film them for youtube! You might get on gateway pundit!
Seriously, I feel ya man. In one aspect, I am probably lucky that my family aside from my folks live too far away for regular interaction. I love them, but a few of them are vapid, clueless people. I cannot engage them in anything deeper than the weather without them going bonkers. My interactions with them on facebook have ground to a near halt, because every sentence they write is punctuated with exclamation points.
Example: "If you are really concerned about the future, look into permaculture and advocate for people to stop f**king breeding!"
My beloved brother's wife.
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Stop breeding?! Did she "breed"?
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Stop breeding?! Did she "breed"?
Nope. Ideologically opposed.
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You should film them for youtube! You might get on gateway pundit!
Seriously, I feel ya man. In one aspect, I am probably lucky that my family aside from my folks live too far away for regular interaction. I love them, but a few of them are vapid, clueless people. I cannot engage them in anything deeper than the weather without them going bonkers. My interactions with them on facebook have ground to a near halt, because every sentence they write is punctuated with exclamation points.
Example: "If you are really concerned about the future, look into permaculture and advocate for people to stop f**king breeding!"
My beloved brother's wife.
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Actually, all is not lost.....We converted one of the guys a while back and his wife probably isn't far behind.
Out of the group of just a few, he was the most reasonable. Smart kid. Could program anything. Mid 20's. Loved hope and change because he never had anything. Long story short, got a job making mid 80's, his wife made 42K so they earned around 125K..... One of the reasons me and the bro would become targets is because we made a little money, so we certainly didn't understand...... as soon as he made money, he found the wrath. It became an easy sell as to "who cared" and who pretended. The real kicker is as we spoke to him, he was gonna find out if he paid his fair share. He didn't believe, until tax time this year and he and his wife own something like 17K.....
The reaction was priceless.
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Stop breeding?! Did she "breed"?
Nope. Ideologically opposed.
Good. One or more less of them. Bet she's not haranguing non-Whites to stop breeding, is she? Nah, that'd be raaaaayyyycissst!
White people had better get cracking on reproduction; we're due to be a minority population in our country by 2050.
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...Bet she's not haranguing non-Whites to stop breeding, is she? Nah, that'd be raaaaayyyycissst!...
Her admonition was not race-specific. But I can promise you this: She advocates for people to stop breeding with nary a thought to the reality that the civilized Western world would be the only humans who would comply, while the third-world would continue to proliferate unabated. Which I also suspect may be just fine with her, as she views the civilized world to be the primary problem, also with nary a thought to the evil that fills the void where Western civilization does not exist.
As I said, it's a good thing they live far away. We see each other perhaps once every 2 or 3 years at a wedding or a funeral. We can smile and be nice.
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...Bet she's not haranguing non-Whites to stop breeding, is she? Nah, that'd be raaaaayyyycissst!...
Her admonition was not race-specific. But I can promise you this: She advocates for people to stop breeding with nary a thought to the reality that the civilized Western world would be the only humans who would comply, while the third-world would continue to proliferate unabated. Which I also suspect may be just fine with her, as she views the civilized world to be the primary problem, also with nary a thought to the evil that fills the void where Western civilization does not exist.
As I said, it's a good thing they live far away. We see each other perhaps once every 2 or 3 years at a wedding or a funeral. We can smile and be nice.
::whatgives::
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Part of the reason MichelleO and I are considering the move is because we just can't stand the libtard neighbors. Its also hard on her that I refuse to be quiet about it. I have just outright disowned my family. All we want is to get away from these jerks and get them out of or lives and business, and ultimately I can think of only one way that will happen.
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Stop breeding?! Did she "breed"?
Nope. Ideologically opposed.
Good. One or more less of them. Bet she's not haranguing non-Whites to stop breeding, is she? Nah, that'd be raaaaayyyycissst!
White people had better get cracking on reproduction; we're due to be a minority population in our country by 2050.
It has just been gleefully announced by the press that White newborns are now the minority in the USA.
That's one thing I will never get with liberals. In their desire to upend, redefine, and destroy Western civilization, you would think for just a fleeting moment they might wonder what their own lives, or the lives of their children (the ones who have them), are going to be like in the world they are busily creating.
Remember that movie "Day Without a Mexican" that all the liberals gushed over, because it showed how totally screwed and helpless we'd be if we had to pick our own lettuce? I've always wanted to see a movie "Day Without a White Man", and to see it done realistically. Bye bye electricity, running water, modern medicine, the scientific method, you name it.
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Don, the Mrs. must be a good woman putting up with an old
predator like you. The good work you and your brother are
doing goes past those who are incapable to comprehend or
entertain what y'all are saying without bias. It's the young
one's, they are listening, and by nature will entertain your
words and remember them. Sometime in the future those
thought seeds that were planted will be nurtured and take
root. Good show.
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Glock32:
It has just been gleefully announced by the press that White newborns are now the minority in the USA
How presumptuous these pompous asses are. The Chinese came and became Americans, as did the Germans, the Italians, the Jews, the Poles. even the Irish became Americans but now in their new America the Indians or the Mexicans or whomever cannot become Americans. No, they tell them they can't become Americans because if they know themselves as American they know themselves sovereign and free therefore unenslaveable.
No, No, Massa, I wants to be free; put that big iron collar round my neck for all the world to see.
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Yet another reason, by choice, my democratic friend base dwindles....Most people who know me understand, if you consider me a friend, you better keep your political thought to yourself, if you fancy yourself a democrat.
Since Gibson is in my backyard, this has been a topic of discussion, heated discussion.
Please excuse the rant. I need to vent because my choice to call people idiots is hard on my wife, as I, along with my brother, are not the most popular guys at family gatherings within the small base of family idiots and thier idiot friends they always invite. Plus, my wife doesn't post, but she does read the threads because I ask her so she understands there are others with like mind, who are not idiots.
I'm not going to discuss the topic of Gipson, but how we came to call a select few idiots, as I believe it is self explanatory the vindictiveness of this administration regarding Gibson Guitar.
I little history. Our family, can reach up to 40 people at a gathering ( and we gather for literally, everything). I'm usually laid back at these things, have a good time, no serious discussions, just food, games, etc. I want to relax, not debate. It became the classic example of the minority exerting thier will on the majority, using topics like religion, politics, birth control, "the rich", taxation ( the few are the elvis costollo/ OWS types, always proclaiming how God had led them to do this, that, support this, that...the basic liberal abuse of religion), throwing out the race card about obama, how he is being impeded by republicans you know the irritating types, they can't have a good time unless they are making someone else miserable. This has literally been going on for years.
Finally, after the bro and I had talked, we decided to challenge the thought process, never starting the discussions but willing to end them, earnestly at first, but over the last 16 months, we have become aggressive. Early, It was fun to refute ...and always easy. Plus, we were a little disturbed a few more didn't call them out and needed to grow some, especially on the religious front. The early banter was lite, we poked holes and fun, but our goal was to stop some in the family from consoling these little weasels and acting as if thier actions were ok....and we have succeeded.
But......the last year has taken on its own life. As we refuted thier baseless assertions,libs do what they do best when knocked off thier self imposed pedestals.... the attacks became personal in nature against me and the bro. Things like questioning our "caring", asserting we buy into the "race card", questioning our standing with "God" because we don't want to redistribute our wealth, all the lib crap....... So, the term "useful idiots" has became our acknoledgement when the useful obama idiots are so insistant in bringing up topics in which they are incapable of defending.
So now, here I sit.....And there is a large graduation party to attend today, where all the usefull idiots will be gathered, too stupid to realize thier blassed obama has endorsed gay marriage, about to have obamacare ruled unconstitutional, gays in the military, new budget battle.....So many obama gaffs since the last gathering......Will they be smart enough to keep quiet?
Hey honey, I promise I'll be good, I won't start a thing.....I'm there to eat and drink and give congrat hugs.....But if the useful idiots start.
Finish it!!I'm worn out with those people.
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Tonite passed with little confrontation. The libs were eerily subdued as it seems the Obama embracing of the gay lifestyle has confused the little idiots, as they were not thier usual, God told me to do this, selves.
My brother did jab them a couple times, by commenting God had told him Obama had left him, and he was born in Kenya......you had to be there for the humor in it....lol
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When I think of conflict between family members based on politics, I am reminded of this:
Matthew 10:21-22
New International Version (NIV)
21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
I believe that Jesus was saying that following Him was of greater importance than family relationships . . .
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When I think of conflict between family members based on politics, I am reminded of this:
Matthew 10:21-22
New International Version (NIV)
21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
I believe that Jesus was saying that following Him was of greater importance than family relationships . . .
And this is why I loathe the family gatherings......normally it is the political differences that rear it's head, but the root cause of any political disagreement is the subversion of Gods word, twisting scripture by the little idiots to their liberal views......why it was eerily silent yesterday, the Obama embracing gays thingy had all the little idiots walking around in a daze, not feeling too compelled to open their little idiot mouths and be smacked down.
Also disappointing is some of the family not taking a stand.......dismissing the scripture twisting as the folly of youth.....and stating so, like it's no big deal. Well, it is a big deal to me. I'm not always the best example and have many faults and I don't want to start any issues......but two of us are sure not gonna stand around anymore and allow it, unapposed.
If it must become Friday nite smackdown, so be it.
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I hadn't heard that the government returned the confiscated wood. Gotta give them credit for balls and a sense of humor.
Gibson launches the Government Series II Les Paul (http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Government-Series-II-Les-Paul.aspx)
Government Series II Les Paul Great Gibson electric guitars have long been a means of fighting the establishment, so when the powers that be confiscated stocks of tonewoods from the Gibson factory in Nashville—only to return them once there was a resolution and the investigation ended—it was an event worth celebrating. Introducing the Government Series II Les Paul, a striking new guitar from Gibson USA for 2014 that suitably marks this infamous time in Gibson’s history.
From its solid mahogany body with modern weight relief for enhance resonance and playing comfort, to its carved maple top, the Government Series II Les Paul follows the tradition of the great Les Paul Standards—but also makes a superb statement with its unique appointments. A distinctive vintage-gloss Government Tan finish, complemented by black-chrome hardware and black plastics and trim, is topped by a pickguard that’s hot-stamped in gold with the Government Series graphic—a bald eagle hoisting a Gibson guitar neck. Each Government Series II Les Paul also includes a genuine piece of Gibson USA history in its solid rosewood fingerboard, which is made from wood returned to Gibson by the US government after the resolution.
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Hadn't heard that they had gotten their property back. Figured they would never get it back, even if they were found to be completely innocent.
Sound like they still had to pay a $300,000 ransom to stop further persecution er, prosecution. That part sucks, because they will never get back their legal fees etc which I would guess would be in the millions.
Frankly the feds have no business enforcing other countries laws. No US laws were broken if I remember right.
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::cool::
getting screwed by the government is a cost of business...
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Frankly the feds have no business enforcing other countries laws. No US laws were broken if I remember right.
You do remember what administration we're talking about here, don't ya?
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Frankly the feds have no business enforcing other countries laws. No US laws were broken if I remember right.
That's the thing; if I remember correctly, no other country's law was broken either.
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Somewhere in the article it mentioned the shipping containers were mislabeled and Gibson paid the fine of $300k.
I truly hate these asswipes in the govt....all of them. I don't care if they voted for this clown or not, they deserve nothing less my contempt.