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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2011, 04:55:34 PM »
I didn't find anything for "Gibson, Inc." or the several permutations of CF Martin Guitar Co. either, did you?
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2011, 04:58:33 PM »
No, I couldn't get the corporate reporting part to work at all. It was pointless for me to attempt to corroborate the Gibson donations until I got a handle on any Martin donations.

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Look what I stumbled across, possibly re; Gibson Guitars
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2011, 08:20:21 PM »
Bain Capital, Mitt Romney, and Guitar Center.

[blockquote]Bain Capital was founded in 1984 by Bain & Company partners Mitt Romney, T. Coleman Andrews III, and Eric Kriss.[/blockquote]

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[blockquote]....2007, Jun – [Bain Capital] Signs an agreement with Guitar Center to purchase the music retailer for $1.9 billion, plus $200 million in debt. The buyout will be for $63 per share, a 26% premium on June 26's closing price. The deal was approved by shareholders on September 18, 2007 and closed October 9, 2007.[/blockquote]

Guitar Center is the leading national retailer of... Gibson Guitars.

Anything to it? If so, it is certainly something that has gone completely un-disclosed in media reports,  and un-discussed by the Romney campaign.

The DOJ is going above the law to target a company that supplies a staple product for a retailer owned by Mitt Romney's financial interest.

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2011, 10:30:23 PM »

Jumpin' gee hose a fat!!! 

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2011, 10:34:46 PM »

Jumpin' gee hose a fat!!! 

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My o my, it's going to be necessary for Court TV to add several more channels.



I tried to do a little more investigative digging, but didn't come up with anything supporting my suspicion. I can only make the loose correlation, and cannot show any direct connection.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2011, 10:39:09 PM »

My only question would be is Romney still big in Bain, if so, it will make a wonderful conjecture.


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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2011, 10:44:41 PM »
If nothing else I can't wait to casually mention to the hipsters at Guitar Center that their boss might become the Mittster. Just think of the distress that'll cause  ::evilbat::

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2011, 10:46:20 PM »

My only question would be is Romney still big in Bain, if so, it will make a wonderful conjecture.


Just checked on that. He officially left Bain in 1999 when he went to serve as President of the Olympic organizing committee. But he continues to receive a profit share as a retired partner, with him, his wife, and all his children and grandchildren's wealth being held in blind trusts. Bottom line is his entire family's wealth is directly tied to Bain to this day.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2011, 10:48:05 PM »
If nothing else I can't wait to casually mention to the hipsters at Guitar Center that their boss might become the Mittster. Just think of the distress that'll cause  ::evilbat::

That already happened in 2007. Or, more accurately, Bain Capital bought GC in 2007, and Romney continues to receive profit share from Bain in blind trusts.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2011, 10:50:21 PM »
In '07?  And that li'l link didn't come out in the previous campaign?

Well.  Woohoo.  It will this time.  No knocks against your investigative skills, IDP, but you found it.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2011, 11:12:14 PM »
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Romney's disclosures describe at least $3 million in investments from Bain Capital, the Boston venture capital firm he co-founded in 1984. Some of the assets were part of a retirement agreement with Bain and reflected the values of those investments before the agreement expired in December 2010.

Bain is also the former employer of Edward Conard, a former Romney co-worker and investor who secretly contributed $1 million — through a short-lived company, W Spann LLC — to a Romney-leaning political committee, Restore Our Future, before coming forward as the donor.

So it can be said unequivocally that Bain Capital is a potential source of campaign funding for Mitt Romney. By dinging Gibson Guitars, the DOJ would only be placing a fly in the ointment by affecting Guitar Center's bottom line and causing consternation for the retailer that would potentially filter up to Bain. And not to forget the obvious - that Gibson Guitars is a known contributor to the GOP.

I don't think conclusions can be drawn, except to say that this administration has developed a pattern of attacking and harassing enemies and rewarding friends, and going after Mitt Romney's financing in petty vindictive ways would certainly fit that pattern.
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2011, 11:28:22 PM »
Don't overlook the deridement factor ...... "look at Romney family raking in money from lawbreaking enterprise".
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2011, 11:32:41 PM »
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Romney's disclosures describe at least $3 million in investments from Bain Capital, the Boston venture capital firm he co-founded in 1984. Some of the assets were part of a retirement agreement with Bain and reflected the values of those investments before the agreement expired in December 2010.

Bain is also the former employer of Edward Conard, a former Romney co-worker and investor who secretly contributed $1 million — through a short-lived company, W Spann LLC — to a Romney-leaning political committee, Restore Our Future, before coming forward as the donor.

So it can be said unequivocally that Bain Capital is a potential source of campaign funding for Mitt Romney. By dinging Gibson Guitars, the DOJ would only be placing a fly in the ointment by affecting Guitar Center's bottom line and causing consternation for the retailer that would potentially filter up to Bain. And not to forget the obvious - that Gibson Guitars is a known contributor to the GOP.

I don't think conclusions can be drawn, except to say that this administration has developed a pattern of attacking and harassing enemies and rewarding friends, and going after Mitt Romney's financing in petty vindictive ways would certainly fit that pattern.


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Gibson CEO: We might have to move operations overseas
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2011, 12:19:57 PM »
Gibson Guitar CEO warns that jobs may be sent overseas in aftermath of DOJ raid

In August the Department of Justice raided Gibson Guitar facilities in Memphis and Nashville, alleging a violation of the so-called Lacey Act, a law which bans the importation of certain kinds of wildlife, plants and wood.

And although two months have passed, Gibson Guitars CEO Henry Juszkiewicz has taken an unusually aggressive posture against the DOJ. On Wednesday, he told The Daily Caller there could be casualties from the DOJ’s actions, first of which he said may be higher guitar prices.

“It’s a zero-sum game,” he said. “You don’t create money out of thin air. So a dollar goes to lawyers in Washington, D.C. is a dollar that comes out of our consumers’ pockets, period.”

But he also cautioned that American jobs could be lost and sent overseas.

“You know, there’s a very real possibility we will have to move at least some processing [jobs] overseas,” Juszkiewicz said. “I’m trying to avoid that. But you know, I have to do what the business requires, and that’s a very realistic possibility.”

As for the aggressive response, Juszkiewicz explained he chose that strategy, over one that would involve less media exposure and more lawyers, because he was forced to.

“We had no choice,” Juszkiewicz said. “The things the Justice Department was doing was closing down our business and laying low was just not an option. Laying low would have meant really injuring our business significantly.”

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2011, 12:27:01 PM »
While tempted to say, "Don't play checkers with a guy who plays chess" I'm reminded of the behemoth that is Øbongo's 'justice' department.

I fear that yet another American icon is going to be chewed up and spit out.

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2012, 01:29:12 PM »
No music for you!

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Lawmakers are scrambling to save the summer concert season from federal agents poised to seize the instruments of rock and country stars because the wood used to make them may have been illegally harvested--and without their knowledge.

 ::bashing::
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2012, 01:58:37 PM »

Man, they are having a good time.
Payback is going to be expensive.

On the other hand everyone is being exposed to his disease.
Even if the liberal doesn't recognize it for the virulence that it is
he recognizes his own inconvenience and from whence it emanates. 
That is why Reagan won all but one state.


 

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2012, 09:34:06 PM »
No music for you!

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Lawmakers are scrambling to save the summer concert season from federal agents poised to seize the instruments of rock and country stars because the wood used to make them may have been illegally harvested--and without their knowledge.

 ::bashing::

Some American musicians have changed out the parts and pieces of their instruments to avoid having them confiscated.  The name escapes me now, but one such had the ivory keys on his piano replaced with plastic.

There is a fiction book called "Unintended Consequences", written in the '90s, the first part of which factually documents these sorts of incursions upon our liberty over the decades.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2012, 10:04:09 PM »

So, the phrase 'tinkle the ivories' is now considered hate speech?

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #79 on: May 18, 2012, 10:08:51 PM »
So, the phrase 'tinkle the ivories' is now considered hate speech?

Only if you happen to be conservative. :P
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