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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2012, 10:25:18 AM »
Yet another reason, by choice, my democratic friend base dwindles....Most people who know me understand, if you consider me a friend, you better keep your political thought to yourself, if you fancy yourself a democrat.

Since Gibson is in my backyard, this has been a topic of discussion, heated discussion.

Please excuse the rant. I need to vent because my choice to call people idiots is hard on my wife, as I, along with my brother, are not the most popular guys at family gatherings within the small base of family idiots and thier idiot friends they always invite. Plus, my wife doesn't post, but she does read the threads because I ask her so she understands there are others with like mind, who are not idiots.

I'm not going to discuss the topic of Gipson, but how we came to call a select few idiots, as I believe it is self explanatory the vindictiveness of this administration regarding Gibson Guitar.

I little history. Our family, can reach up to 40 people at a gathering ( and we gather for literally, everything). I'm usually laid back at these things, have a good time, no serious discussions, just food, games, etc. I want to relax, not debate. It became the classic example of the minority exerting thier will on the majority, using topics like religion, politics, birth control, "the rich", taxation ( the few are the elvis costollo/ OWS types, always proclaiming how God had led them to do this, that, support this, that...the basic liberal abuse of religion), throwing out the race card about obama, how he is being impeded by republicans you know the irritating types, they can't have a good time unless they are making someone else miserable. This has literally been going on for years.
Finally, after the bro and I had talked, we decided to challenge the thought process, never starting the discussions but willing to end them, earnestly at first, but over the last 16 months, we have become aggressive. Early, It was fun to refute ...and always easy. Plus, we were a little disturbed a few more didn't call them out and needed to grow some, especially on the religious front. The early banter was lite, we poked holes and fun, but our goal was to stop some in the family from consoling these little weasels and acting as if thier actions were ok....and we have succeeded.

But......the last year has taken on its own life. As we refuted thier baseless assertions,libs do what they do best when knocked off thier self imposed pedestals.... the attacks became personal in nature against me and the bro. Things like questioning our "caring", asserting we buy into the "race card", questioning our standing with "God" because we don't want to redistribute our wealth, all the lib crap....... So, the term "useful idiots" has became our acknoledgement when the useful obama idiots are so insistant in bringing up topics in which they are incapable of defending.

So now, here I sit.....And there is a large graduation party to attend today, where all the usefull idiots will be gathered, too stupid to realize thier blassed obama has endorsed gay marriage, about to have obamacare ruled unconstitutional, gays in the military, new budget battle.....So many obama gaffs since the last gathering......Will they be smart enough to keep quiet?

Hey honey, I promise I'll be good, I won't start a thing.....I'm there to eat and drink and give congrat hugs.....But if the useful idiots start.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2012, 10:53:47 AM »
Bless you, Don; I don't know how you do it.  Good thing I live so far from my extended family in NJ; there would be a brawl at every gathering.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2012, 11:58:45 AM »
You should film them for youtube! You might get on gateway pundit!

Seriously, I feel ya man. In one aspect, I am probably lucky that my family aside from my folks live too far away for regular interaction. I love them, but a few of them are vapid, clueless people. I cannot engage them in anything deeper than the weather without them going bonkers. My interactions with them on facebook have ground to a near halt, because every sentence they write is punctuated with exclamation points.

Example: "If you are really concerned about the future, look into permaculture and advocate for people to stop f**king breeding!"

My beloved brother's wife.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2012, 12:09:57 PM »
Stop breeding?!  Did she "breed"?
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2012, 12:46:17 PM »
Stop breeding?!  Did she "breed"?

Nope. Ideologically opposed.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2012, 12:59:20 PM »
You should film them for youtube! You might get on gateway pundit!

Seriously, I feel ya man. In one aspect, I am probably lucky that my family aside from my folks live too far away for regular interaction. I love them, but a few of them are vapid, clueless people. I cannot engage them in anything deeper than the weather without them going bonkers. My interactions with them on facebook have ground to a near halt, because every sentence they write is punctuated with exclamation points.

Example: "If you are really concerned about the future, look into permaculture and advocate for people to stop f**king breeding!"

My beloved brother's wife.
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Actually, all is not lost.....We converted one of the guys a while back and his wife probably isn't far behind.

Out of the group of just a few, he was the most reasonable. Smart kid. Could program anything. Mid 20's. Loved hope and change because he never had anything. Long story short, got a job making mid 80's, his wife made 42K so they earned around 125K..... One of the reasons me and the bro would become targets is because we made a little money, so we certainly didn't understand...... as soon as he made money, he found the wrath. It became an easy sell as to "who cared" and who pretended. The real kicker is as we spoke to him, he was gonna find out if he paid his fair share. He didn't believe, until tax time this year and he and his wife own something like 17K.....

The reaction was priceless.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2012, 01:02:50 PM »
Stop breeding?!  Did she "breed"?

Nope. Ideologically opposed.

Good.  One or more less of them.  Bet she's not haranguing non-Whites to stop breeding, is she?  Nah, that'd be raaaaayyyycissst!

White people had better get cracking on reproduction; we're due to be a minority population in our country by 2050.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2012, 02:45:00 PM »
...Bet she's not haranguing non-Whites to stop breeding, is she?  Nah, that'd be raaaaayyyycissst!...

Her admonition was not race-specific. But I can promise you this: She advocates for people to stop breeding with nary a thought to the reality that the civilized Western world would be the only humans who would comply, while the third-world would continue to proliferate unabated. Which I also suspect may be just fine with her, as she views the civilized world to be the primary problem, also with nary a thought to the evil that fills the void where Western civilization does not exist.

As I said, it's a good thing they live far away. We see each other perhaps once every 2 or 3 years at a wedding or a funeral. We can smile and be nice.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2012, 04:45:32 PM »
...Bet she's not haranguing non-Whites to stop breeding, is she?  Nah, that'd be raaaaayyyycissst!...

Her admonition was not race-specific. But I can promise you this: She advocates for people to stop breeding with nary a thought to the reality that the civilized Western world would be the only humans who would comply, while the third-world would continue to proliferate unabated. Which I also suspect may be just fine with her, as she views the civilized world to be the primary problem, also with nary a thought to the evil that fills the void where Western civilization does not exist.

As I said, it's a good thing they live far away. We see each other perhaps once every 2 or 3 years at a wedding or a funeral. We can smile and be nice.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2012, 06:34:58 PM »
Part of the reason MichelleO and I are considering the move is because we just can't stand the libtard neighbors. Its also hard on her that I refuse to be quiet about it.  I have just outright disowned my family. All we want is to get away from these jerks and get them out of or lives and business, and ultimately I can think of only one way that will happen.

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2012, 06:53:47 PM »
Stop breeding?!  Did she "breed"?

Nope. Ideologically opposed.

Good.  One or more less of them.  Bet she's not haranguing non-Whites to stop breeding, is she?  Nah, that'd be raaaaayyyycissst!

White people had better get cracking on reproduction; we're due to be a minority population in our country by 2050.

It has just been gleefully announced by the press that White newborns are now the minority in the USA.

That's one thing I will never get with liberals. In their desire to upend, redefine, and destroy Western civilization, you would think for just a fleeting moment they might wonder what their own lives, or the lives of their children (the ones who have them), are going to be like in the world they are busily creating.

Remember that movie "Day Without a Mexican" that all the liberals gushed over, because it showed how totally screwed and helpless we'd be if we had to pick our own lettuce?  I've always wanted to see a movie "Day Without a White Man", and to see it done realistically.  Bye bye electricity, running water, modern medicine, the scientific method, you name it.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #91 on: May 19, 2012, 08:00:27 PM »

Don, the Mrs. must be a good woman putting up with an old
predator like you.  The good work you and your brother are
doing goes past those who are incapable to comprehend or
entertain what y'all are saying without bias.  It's the young
one's, they are listening, and by nature will entertain your
words and remember them.  Sometime in the future those
thought seeds that were planted will be nurtured and take
root.  Good show.


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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #92 on: May 19, 2012, 08:11:06 PM »
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It has just been gleefully announced by the press that White newborns are now the minority in the USA


How presumptuous these pompous asses are. The Chinese came and became Americans, as did the Germans, the Italians, the Jews, the Poles. even the Irish became Americans but now in their new America the Indians or the Mexicans or whomever cannot become Americans.  No, they tell them they can't become Americans because if they know themselves as American they know themselves sovereign and free therefore unenslaveable.

No, No, Massa, I wants to be free; put that big iron collar round my neck for all the world to see.





 

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #93 on: May 19, 2012, 09:25:38 PM »
Yet another reason, by choice, my democratic friend base dwindles....Most people who know me understand, if you consider me a friend, you better keep your political thought to yourself, if you fancy yourself a democrat.

Since Gibson is in my backyard, this has been a topic of discussion, heated discussion.

Please excuse the rant. I need to vent because my choice to call people idiots is hard on my wife, as I, along with my brother, are not the most popular guys at family gatherings within the small base of family idiots and thier idiot friends they always invite. Plus, my wife doesn't post, but she does read the threads because I ask her so she understands there are others with like mind, who are not idiots.

I'm not going to discuss the topic of Gipson, but how we came to call a select few idiots, as I believe it is self explanatory the vindictiveness of this administration regarding Gibson Guitar.

I little history. Our family, can reach up to 40 people at a gathering ( and we gather for literally, everything). I'm usually laid back at these things, have a good time, no serious discussions, just food, games, etc. I want to relax, not debate. It became the classic example of the minority exerting thier will on the majority, using topics like religion, politics, birth control, "the rich", taxation ( the few are the elvis costollo/ OWS types, always proclaiming how God had led them to do this, that, support this, that...the basic liberal abuse of religion), throwing out the race card about obama, how he is being impeded by republicans you know the irritating types, they can't have a good time unless they are making someone else miserable. This has literally been going on for years.
Finally, after the bro and I had talked, we decided to challenge the thought process, never starting the discussions but willing to end them, earnestly at first, but over the last 16 months, we have become aggressive. Early, It was fun to refute ...and always easy. Plus, we were a little disturbed a few more didn't call them out and needed to grow some, especially on the religious front. The early banter was lite, we poked holes and fun, but our goal was to stop some in the family from consoling these little weasels and acting as if thier actions were ok....and we have succeeded.

But......the last year has taken on its own life. As we refuted thier baseless assertions,libs do what they do best when knocked off thier self imposed pedestals.... the attacks became personal in nature against me and the bro. Things like questioning our "caring", asserting we buy into the "race card", questioning our standing with "God" because we don't want to redistribute our wealth, all the lib crap....... So, the term "useful idiots" has became our acknoledgement when the useful obama idiots are so insistant in bringing up topics in which they are incapable of defending.

So now, here I sit.....And there is a large graduation party to attend today, where all the usefull idiots will be gathered, too stupid to realize thier blassed obama has endorsed gay marriage, about to have obamacare ruled unconstitutional, gays in the military, new budget battle.....So many obama gaffs since the last gathering......Will they be smart enough to keep quiet?

Hey honey, I promise I'll be good, I won't start a thing.....I'm there to eat and drink and give congrat hugs.....But if the useful idiots start.

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #94 on: May 19, 2012, 09:43:25 PM »
Tonite passed with little confrontation. The libs were eerily subdued as it seems the Obama embracing of the gay lifestyle has confused the little idiots, as they were not thier usual, God told me to do this, selves.

My brother did jab them a couple times, by commenting God had told him Obama had left him, and he was born in Kenya......you had to be there for the humor in it....lol
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2012, 05:18:34 AM »
When I think of conflict between family members based on politics, I am reminded of this:

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21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

I believe that Jesus was saying that following Him was of greater importance than family relationships . . .
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2012, 08:47:32 AM »
When I think of conflict between family members based on politics, I am reminded of this:

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Matthew 10:21-22

New International Version (NIV)

21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

I believe that Jesus was saying that following Him was of greater importance than family relationships . . .


And this is why I loathe the family gatherings......normally it is the political differences that rear it's head, but the root cause of any political disagreement is the subversion of Gods word, twisting scripture by the little idiots to their liberal views......why it was eerily silent yesterday, the Obama embracing gays thingy had all the little idiots walking around in a daze, not feeling too compelled to open their little idiot mouths and be smacked down.

Also disappointing is some of the family not taking a stand.......dismissing the scripture twisting as the folly of youth.....and stating so, like it's no big deal. Well, it is a big deal to me. I'm not always the best example and have many faults and I don't want to start any issues......but two of us are sure not gonna stand around anymore and allow it, unapposed.

If it must become Friday nite smackdown, so be it.

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« Reply #97 on: January 31, 2014, 04:30:28 PM »
I hadn't heard that the government returned the confiscated wood. Gotta give them credit for balls and a sense of humor.

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Government Series II Les Paul Great Gibson electric guitars have long been a means of fighting the establishment, so when the powers that be confiscated stocks of tonewoods from the Gibson factory in Nashville—only to return them once there was a resolution and the investigation ended—it was an event worth celebrating. Introducing the Government Series II Les Paul, a striking new guitar from Gibson USA for 2014 that suitably marks this infamous time in Gibson’s history.

From its solid mahogany body with modern weight relief for enhance resonance and playing comfort, to its carved maple top, the Government Series II Les Paul follows the tradition of the great Les Paul Standards—but also makes a superb statement with its unique appointments. A distinctive vintage-gloss Government Tan finish, complemented by black-chrome hardware and black plastics and trim, is topped by a pickguard that’s hot-stamped in gold with the Government Series graphic—a bald eagle hoisting a Gibson guitar neck. Each Government Series II Les Paul also includes a genuine piece of Gibson USA history in its solid rosewood fingerboard, which is made from wood returned to Gibson by the US government after the resolution.
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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #98 on: January 31, 2014, 05:07:42 PM »
Hadn't heard that they had gotten their property back.    Figured they would never get it back,  even if they were found to be completely innocent. 

Sound like they still had to pay a $300,000 ransom to stop further persecution er,  prosecution.   That part sucks,  because they will never get back their legal fees etc which I would guess would be in the millions. 

Frankly the feds have no business enforcing other countries laws.    No US laws were broken if I remember right. 

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Re: Gibson Guitars under Obama regulatory attack
« Reply #99 on: January 31, 2014, 05:34:27 PM »
 ::cool::

getting screwed by the government is a cost of business...
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