It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: charlesoakwood on May 15, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
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"Stop It Here, Stop It Now" (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/05/14/krauthammer_on_drones_flying_in_us_stop_it_here_stop_it_now.html) w/Real Clearvideo
"I'm going to go hard left on you here, I'm going ACLU," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said in opposition to the use of drones on the U.S. homeland. "I don't want regulations, I don't want restrictions, I want a ban on this. Drones are instruments of war. The Founders had a great aversion to any instruments of war, the use of the military inside even the United States. It didn't like standing armies, it has all kinds of statutes of using the army in the country."
"A drone is a high-tech version of an old army and a musket. It ought to be used in Somalia to hunt bad guys but not in America. I don't want to see it hovering over anybody's home. Yes, you can say we have satellites, we've got Google Street View and London has a camera on every street corner but that's not an excuse to cave in on everything else and accept a society where you're always under -- being watched by the government. This is not what we want," Krauthammer said on the panel portion of FOX News' "Special Report."
"I would say that you ban it under all circumstances and I would predict, I'm not encouraging, but I an predicting that the first guy who uses a Second Amendment weapon to bring a drone down that's been hovering over his house is going to be a folk hero in this country," Krauthammer said tonight.
"I would say the price of liberty. You can hear a helicopter, you can't hear a drone. You know, if you hear a helicopter you hide under a bush. Well, you can't with this which is why it's effective in Pakistan and elsewhere. It's deft and it's silent. I don't think we want a society where if there are the objects, hovering over streaming, real-time information about you, your family, your car, your location," Krauthammer said later in the segment.
"It's not worth it," he said.
"The Founders we're deeply opposed to the militarization of civil society. There is all kinds of aversions to it and this is importing it because, as you say, it's cheap, it's easy, it's silent. It's something that you can easily deploy. It's going to be, I think the bane of our existence. Stop it here, stop it now," Krauthammer said at the end of the panel segment. "Strong letter to follow."
Link and video (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/05/14/krauthammer_on_drones_flying_in_us_stop_it_here_stop_it_now.html)
Krauthammer On Drones Flying In US: "Stop It Here, Stop It Now" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfiFnt3bEg4#ws)
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Man when Krauthammer is right he is right!
Except that anyone who shoots one of the damned things down will be an Enemy of The State.
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I see an uptick in the ... erm .... appreciation for shoulder-fired rocket launchers.
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The buggerers, who have those things, haven't figured out how to tell if
a drone's there. There's a kid in some garage working on that right now.
Until then......
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The buggerers, who have those things, haven't figured out how to tell if
a drone's there. There's a kid in some garage working on that right now.
Until then......
Oh honey, don't you doubt for a minute that "we" already have the technology. The garage kids are working on the next gen.
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Hope you have the technology, it hasn't been disseminated out here.
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No trust today, I tellz ya. ::falldownshocked::
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Prob with these buggers is they're quiet ad small so looking for them isn't going to be an easy task.
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They give off much heat?
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Prob with these buggers is they're quiet ad small so looking for them isn't going to be an easy task.
Oh, you're talking about those little four prop jobs. Pull!
I thought we were talking about those things that loiter at 30K.
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They give off much heat?
Dunno, but they probably create some sort of pulse somewhere in the electromagnetic spectrum. They used to find trucks going down the Ho Chi Minh trail at night by listening for the distinctive radio burst created by the spark plugs discharging.
These things may be very hard to detect, but there's no way it's impossible. Someone will figure it out, I certainly hope.
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The smallest genuine UAVs are about the size of a subcompact in wingspan, length and height. A Predator is considerable larger, taking up about the same room a 20-25 foot sailboat would take up laid over on it's side. Global Hawk is ginormous. All are pretty "spindly," since they are creatures of the air and sky: and very slow moving ones that; rather like mayflies.
There are smaller devices, of course, basically adaptations of RC airplanes.
The UAVs are essentially capable of autonomous missions, although that capability is normally reserved for recovering from a control casualty. Usually they are remotely piloted via telemetry, with a fairly narrow beam (although the satellite links are obviously a broadbeam downlink with a narrow beam uplink).
With a good paint job, they are hard as hell to spot, even if you know exactly where the damn thing is. Krauthammer is correct, they are a weapon of war, and shouldn't be loosed on a civilian population.
And the best way to shoot them down is while they are on the ground.
(http://predator.ingram.bz/predator.jpg)
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If they start stacking up in backyard from 'crashes', I venture to guess you won't be popular with the LEO's.
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Sixty yards, that could be a couple of houses down. Pull!!
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Man when Krauthammer is right he is right!
Except that anyone who shoots one of the damned things down will be an Enemy of The State.
But a HERO for the country. ::USA::
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Judge Napolitano : First American to shoot down a Drone will be an American Hero (May 15, 2012) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fNP51hZtVI#ws)
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infowars (http://www.infowars.com/judge-napolitano-first-patriot-to-shoot-down-a-government-spy-drone-will-be-a-hero/)
As we reported in February, over 30 prominent watchdog groups have banded together to petition the FAA on the proposed increase in the use of drones in US airspace.
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Link (http://www.infowars.com/spy-drone-almost-causes-mid-air-collision-with-jet-over-denver/)
A mystery object, thought to be a military or law enforcement drone, flying in controlled airspace over Denver almost caused a catastrophic mid air crash with a commercial jet Monday.
Denver 9 video report at link (http://www.infowars.com/spy-drone-almost-causes-mid-air-collision-with-jet-over-denver/)
One of the mentioned possibilities is it was "a large bird".
They also checked with model aircraft clubs.
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No freaking way is it RC guys, not 2800' off the deck, police or military drone is all it could be.
Oh, and what you said a few back CO - "Sixty yards, that could be a couple of houses down. Pull!!"
::thumbsup::
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For those out there too blind to see - or too stubborn to open their eyes and/or pull their heads out of their nether regions: Police State = Here RIGHT NOW.
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::siren:: Man the bunker! ::foilhathelicopter:: ::siren::
They'll never get me! machinegun
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WASHINGTON (CBSDC) (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/23/groups-concerned-over-arming-of-domestic-drones/)
(http://cbswashington.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/140779541.jpg)
The Federal Aviation Administration has allowed several police departments to use drones across the U.S. They are controlled from a remote location and use infrared sensors and high-resolution cameras.
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Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office in Texas told The Daily that his department is considering using rubber bullets and tear gas on its drone.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTbSabHrYQreWYeV1jS_ZIF7zgp89ETprStMSMj-WpoeH1z29L (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTbSabHrYQreWYeV1jS_ZIF7zgp89ETprStMSMj-WpoeH1z29L)
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What's the bag limit on those birds?
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No limit, no license - pull.
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At what point do we acknowledge we're living in a police state?
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At what point do we acknowledge we're living in a police state?
When an evil face comes on our TV screens and says, "You are now living in a police state."
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At what point do we acknowledge we're living in a police state?
When an evil face comes on our TV screens and says, "You are now living in a police state."
I see asshats giving PSA's, giving speeches and pronouncing edicts all the time...for the good of us all...I think the police state came without notice...sheep cannot see wolves when their heads are busy grazing...those that do notice and complain are ignored, belittled, bullied and harassed into silence.
For all practical purposes the police state is here. It is now merely a question if it can be turned back or allowed to consolidate into an openly oppressive state. If Stymie ever declares martial law we'll have our answer. Hopefully we are still on schedule for an election and a changing of the guard....
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Even if we are not yet a full blown police state, for certain they are aggressively building and implementing the framework of one. We are definitely to the point where the only thing they'll have to do is flip a switch.
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Even if we are not yet a full blown police state, for certain they are aggressively building and implementing the framework of one. We are definitely to the point where the only thing they'll have to do is flip a switch.
That was kinda what I was saying in a sardonic commentary on the society. I don't think the general population can be brought to understand the situation until the switch gets flipped.
In the meantime, I'm going to hold out hope that we can disconnect the switch at the source.
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News you can Use, including tactics for making Drones less effective. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-low-tech-solutions-high-tech-tyranny)
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Heh! Cool!
OK, who can help me with he GPS blocker? And who can help me afford an EMP device? ::whoohoo::
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Sgt., check out that guy with a lightbulb for a head.
"Yeah?"
Turn it off.
"Roger."
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Turn it off? (Gulp!)
That won't go down well!
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Drone manufacturers are gearing up to pitch an estimated 18,000 police departments in the U.S. on the benefits of flying drones. (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/06/04/the-age-of-drones-military-may-be-using-drones-in-us-to-help-police/)
(http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/photo1.jpg)
Pull!
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Pull ::rockets::
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And of course, you can always count on the opportunists who see statism as a great way to feather their own nests.
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And of course, you can always count on the opportunists who see statism as a great way to feather their own nests.
I would argue their nests need to be fouled. ::evil::
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Drone manufacturers are gearing up to pitch an estimated 18,000 police departments in the U.S. on the benefits of flying drones. (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/06/04/the-age-of-drones-military-may-be-using-drones-in-us-to-help-police/)
(http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/photo1.jpg)
Pull!
You won't be able to shoot them down. You won't even spot them. I can't think of any other reason for this- especially the blending of Military and Domestic Police operations, other than a plan to implement martial law.
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They are absolutely making preparations for Order 66
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OK, how about the operator, how close do they have to be? Is tracking that Nazi down an option?
Otherwise...once Order 66 is given, all pretense is out the door so bullets be flying everywhere!
They can't get us all, right?
::whatgives::
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The operators could be linked by satellite, meaning they could be anywhere. Drones in Afghanistan are routinely operated from bases in the US.
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The operators could be linked by satellite, meaning they could be anywhere. Drones in Afghanistan are routinely operated from bases in the US.
Yeah, this is not an easy problem. I suspect the drones linked via Satellite are surveillance only -- you will have 1-2 second delays in control. If all you are doing is flying, that is fine.
If you have a stationary target, that is fine. If you are going after live moving objects, you can't target them. I suspect most domestic operations will have to be a bit closer.
The only way you will take these down is to fly one yourself, and target it. Its possible that with a good enough radar tracking system, you might be able to jam the incoming control signal/and or launch a EM pulse strong enough to disrupt and fry it -- but I am sure the military models will be EM shielded. -- However, a large enough pulse will still be picked up by the Antenna, and if on the right frequency may do some damage - but you will need a lot of specifics about the command and control communication, and if its switching frequencies are part of the communication path, it will be hard to target- requiring more power (and faster rise time) in your burst to blanket a spectrum..
The average Joe is not going to be able to do anything about it. I had a special ops Marine tell me he actually caught someone marking the GPS co-ords of his house.(don't know if he was playing with me or not - Seasoned Special Ops guys will do that) They also did it as part of the last census. The plan here may very well be to announce that anyone out of line will have their house targeted - you neighbors will be keen to turn you in so they aren't collateral damage. They may just go with a Serenity "If your target goes to ground, leave no ground to go to" campaign- its hard to predict if that will inspire the required fear in the sheep, but I think that to do so they would have to do it in Kristallnacht fashion. Targeting and attacking the "big hitters" they are afraid of ( like seasoned special ops) in a one night all out attack. Problem with that approach is they immediately draw the battle lines. There is no plausible deniability about who the attack came from or who ordered it. I still suspect its going to come in the form of a biological agent - the drones, if used, will be to "mop up"
Or there is just the possibility that they really just want to use them for crowd control and surveillance. Bottom line, a law isn't going to stop them if they don't want to follow the law.
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Well sh*t, nothing to do but yell and shoot as the missile bears down uhh?!
Why did I think these were the portable variety, not the Pentagon issue?!
::facepalm::
::angry::
::cussing::
::unknowncomic::
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LINK (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/7/big-brothers-all-seeing-eye/)
When drones take pictures of us on our private property and in our homes and the government uses the photos as it wishes, what will we do about it? Jefferson understood that when the government assaults our privacy and dignity, it is the moral equivalent of violence against us. Folks who hear about this, who either laugh or groan, cannot find it humorous or boring that their every move will be monitored and photographed by the government.
Don’t believe me that this is coming? The photos that the drones will take may be retained and used or even distributed to others in the government so long as the “recipient is reasonably perceived to have a specific, lawful governmental function” in requiring them. And for the first time since the Civil War, the federal government will deploy military personnel insidetheUnitedStates and publicly acknowledge that it is deploying them “to collect information about U.S. persons.”
It gets worse. If the military personnel see something of interest from a drone, they may apply to a military judge or “military commander” for permission to conduct a physical search of the private property that intrigues them. Any “incidentally acquired information” can be retained or turned over to local law enforcement. What’s next? Prosecutions before military tribunals in the United States?
The quoted phrases above are extracted from a now-public 30-page memorandum issued by President Obama’s secretary of the Air Force on April 23. The purpose of the memorandum is stated as “balancing … obtaining intelligence information … and protecting individual rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.” Note the primacy of intelligence-gathering over protection of freedom, and note the peculiar use of the word “balancing.”
...which was the intention all along...
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BMG, ya beat me toit but it bears repeating
... what Jeffersonians are among us today? (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/7/big-brothers-all-seeing-eye/) When drones take pictures of us on our private property and in our homes and the government uses the photos as it wishes, what will we do about it? Jefferson understood that when the government assaults our privacy and dignity, it is the moral equivalent of violence against us.
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It gets worse. If the military personnel see something of interest from a drone, they may apply to a military judge or “military commander” for permission to conduct a physical search of the private property that intrigues them. Any “incidentally acquired information” can be retained or turned over to local law enforcement. What’s next? Prosecutions before military tribunals in the United States?
The quoted phrases above are extracted from a now-public 30-page memorandum issued by President Obama’s secretary of the Air Force on April 23.
They are going all out. It will either be death throes or conquest.
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The Judge has been leaning more and more right lately. Extremist!
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Quite right CO - it's scary stuff. I point this stuff out to my Mother-in-law and she says it's all cool...just like in England she says. But she can't seem to grasp that the all-seeing eye of technology does not discriminate and if it just 'happens' to see something that bears reporting, oh well.
Recently she and I got into a big argument that my Wife had to break up. She (The mother-in-law) was lamenting Bloomie's recent 'war on sugar' and how that might affect her diet Coke habit. I likened this sugar war to the recent (and ongoing) cigarette war, noting that just as with cigarette's, it is not the business of government to step in. She adamantly defends the war on cigarettes and can not comprehend the relationship with sugar.
Once the camel gets its nose under the tent...yeah, you know.
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Big nanny has been working her way
into hearts and minds for years.
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OiwmQ2BFbY8/T9SFs1SnaTI/AAAAAAAAMD8/sB6x7RUDTCM/s1600/turkeyshoot.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OiwmQ2BFbY8/T9SFs1SnaTI/AAAAAAAAMD8/sB6x7RUDTCM/s1600/turkeyshoot.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OiwmQ2BFbY8/T9SFs1SnaTI/AAAAAAAAMD8/sB6x7RUDTCM/s1600/turkeyshoot.jpg)
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We're at that weird phase where the "long train of abuses and usurpations" is pretty evident, and so is the intent behind them, but apparently there is still enough of a plausibility factor to keep even conservatives content. Or perhaps they cling to a threadbare plausibility simply because to do otherwise is to acknowledge things as they are, which then begs the question "so what are you gonna do about it, sport?" No one likes to admit to themselves that they're being victimized and that they are too afraid to do anything about it. Instead they look for increasingly arcane legal justifications for crap like this, and try to convince themselves "The Founders actually would have been OK with this particular use of government power, because subsection F of Clause 13 of Chapter 9 of this unelected bureaucrat's regulatory code says so."
If you go back to the late 18th century, you can surely find apologists for the Crown explaining away all of the abuses, and claiming everyone is just being alarmist. At some point, some threshold is crossed where it no longer matters which particular action is completely out of line and which action might have some tenuous connection with legality. That technical discernment is no longer important, because it is apparent that they are "pursuing invariably the same Object".
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At some point, some threshold is crossed where it no longer becomes important which particular action is completely out of line and which action might have some tenuous connection with legality. That technical discernment is no longer important, because it is apparent that they are "pursuing invariably the same Object".
And even at that point there will be voices urging passivity so as not to give the Regime the excuse to impose martial law.
I imagine some Jews telling their fellows not to over-react and possibly incite a beating as they were marched to the cattle-cars.
We're either going to have to act or submissively accept our chains. What the enemy chooses to do about that is entirely on them.
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It seems to me the natural tipping point is some time after it becomes apparent that the potential consequences of decisive action are preferable to the status quo. We obviously haven't gotten there yet. As long as death and imprisonment are deemed worse than burdensome government, the status quo will reign supreme.
Fearing the loss of liberty is enough to have awakened many. But for most people, it will take actually losing liberty in tangible ways that manifest in everyday life.
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It seems to me the natural tipping point is some time after it becomes apparent that the potential consequences of decisive action are preferable to the status quo. We obviously haven't gotten there yet. As long as death and imprisonment are deemed worse than burdensome government, the status quo will reign supreme.
Fearing the loss of liberty is enough to have awakened many. But for most people, it will take actually losing liberty in tangible ways that manifest in everyday life.
When you are sent to prison for growing a garden, raising hogs, pumping water or speaking your mind, we are at the stage where there is NO ADDITIONAL COST- people are holding out hoping for a peaceful way- Really for a revolution to happen I think Obamacare needs to be upheld, and Obama either to win, or to attempt a scorched earth campaign after he looses. Otherwsie we will get more "wait and see" while Romney runs things. Of course there is a good chance of Dollar collapse during that period and how the power that be react to it will determine it in that situation.
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It seems to me the natural tipping point is some time after it becomes apparent that the potential consequences of decisive action are preferable to the status quo. We obviously haven't gotten there yet. As long as death and imprisonment are deemed worse than burdensome government, the status quo will reign supreme.
Fearing the loss of liberty is enough to have awakened many. But for most people, it will take actually losing liberty in tangible ways that manifest in everyday life.
Yes, if it is so, it won't be a conscious realization and the reaction will be a visceral.
The acknowledgement will be mass awareness at the speed of light.
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It seems to me the natural tipping point is some time after it becomes apparent that the potential consequences of decisive action are preferable to the status quo. We obviously haven't gotten there yet. As long as death and imprisonment are deemed worse than burdensome government, the status quo will reign supreme.
Fearing the loss of liberty is enough to have awakened many. But for most people, it will take actually losing liberty in tangible ways that manifest in everyday life.
Yes, if it is so, it won't be a conscious realization and the reaction will be a visceral.
The acknowledgement will be mass awareness at the speed of light.
And the PTB's in the leftist movement know this, which is why the chipping keeps happening and yet we still have not reached critical mass as a people yet. Why? Will it ever happen without pro-liberty forces taking the lead in illustrating our increasing loss of liberty and the necessary actions taken to end it? We are where our our Founders were in 1772, all we need is the statists to commit some massacres and we will perhaps see more movement. But I am weary of waiting for my fellow countrymen to wake up, they continue to slumber in ignorance and laziness....the time for a strong vengeful shepherd is long overdue.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/11/border-agency-overextended-drone-program/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/11/border-agency-overextended-drone-program/)
The Homeland Security Department ordered so many drones it can’t keep them all flying and doesn’t have a good plan for how to use them, according to a new audit the department’s inspector general released Monday.
In a blunt assessment, investigators said Customs and Border Protection's Office of Air and Marine has a fleet of nine “unmanned aircraft systems” and is awaiting a 10th — though it doesn’t have enough ground support and doesn’t have a good plan for prioritizing missions.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/11/12169157-navy-drone-crashes-off-maryland-no-injuries?lite (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/11/12169157-navy-drone-crashes-off-maryland-no-injuries?lite)
By NBC News’ Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube
A U.S. Navy drone flying out of Patuxent River Naval Air Station crashed Monday after operators lost contact with the aircraft, NBC News reported.
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Fearing the loss of liberty is enough to have awakened many. But for most people, it will take actually losing liberty in tangible ways that manifest in everyday life.
I can't believe the number of people to whom I've talked with that have no problem with the situation because they feel "safer". ::bashing::
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/11/border-agency-overextended-drone-program/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/11/border-agency-overextended-drone-program/)
The Homeland Security Department ordered so many drones it can’t keep them all flying and doesn’t have a good plan for how to use them, according to a new audit the department’s inspector general released Monday.
In a blunt assessment, investigators said Customs and Border Protection's Office of Air and Marine has a fleet of nine “unmanned aircraft systems” and is awaiting a 10th — though it doesn’t have enough ground support and doesn’t have a good plan for prioritizing missions.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/11/12169157-navy-drone-crashes-off-maryland-no-injuries?lite (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/11/12169157-navy-drone-crashes-off-maryland-no-injuries?lite)
By NBC News’ Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube
A U.S. Navy drone flying out of Patuxent River Naval Air Station crashed Monday after operators lost contact with the aircraft, NBC News reported.
Build up for the declaration of martial law, since Obama has no intention of giving up power if he loses the election...if there is an election...
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Fearing the loss of liberty is enough to have awakened many. But for most people, it will take actually losing liberty in tangible ways that manifest in everyday life.
I can't believe the number of people to whom I've talked with that have no problem with the situation because they feel "safer". ::bashing::
Useless idiots. Fodder. Dead meat.
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Why aren't Bachmann and some others screaming to the high heavens about drones over US airspace?
I have got to believe that the vast majority of Americans have no idea, and if they did, they would be extremely alarmed.
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Why aren't Bachmann and some others screaming to the high heavens about drones over US airspace?
I have got to believe that the vast majority of Americans have no idea, and if they did, they would be extremely alarmed.
???
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The political calculus hasn't been completed yet I guess...the sucky part of election years is everything takes a back seat to politics...
::gaah::
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LINK (http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/232489-sen-paul-proposes-bill-protecting-americans-from-drone-surveillance)
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Tuesday introduced the Preserving Freedom from Unwarranted Surveillance Act, which would require the government to get a warrant before using aerial drones to surveil U.S. citizens.
More broadly, Paul's bill is aimed at preventing "unwarranted governmental intrusion" through the use of drones, according to the lawmaker.
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LINK (http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/232489-sen-paul-proposes-bill-protecting-americans-from-drone-surveillance)
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Tuesday introduced the Preserving Freedom from Unwarranted Surveillance Act, which would require the government to get a warrant before using aerial drones to surveil U.S. citizens.
More broadly, Paul's bill is aimed at preventing "unwarranted governmental intrusion" through the use of drones, according to the lawmaker.
Could be fun watching the Dem's squirm between going for or against their kinsman in the ACLU!
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http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/maple-seed-drones-will-swarm-the-future.php (http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/maple-seed-drones-will-swarm-the-future.php)
Lockheed Martin, envisions a future in which swarms of the new drones can be deployed at a fraction of the cost and with greater capabilities than drones being used today by the military and other agencies.
“Think about dropping a thousand of these out of an aircraft,”... “Think about the wide area over which one collect imagery. Instead of sending one or two expensive, highly valuable aircraft like we do today, you could send thousands of these inexpensive aircraft, and they are almost expendable.”
Samarai - A Maple Seed-inspired UAV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_q_DD_4LNg#ws)
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Yes, and they would constitute a swarming network, each one gathering limited data but communicating to the adjacent nodes in the swarm. Collectively they could harvest enormous amount of information of virtually any kind -- photographic, audio, thermal, signals. I'm sure they intend this to reach the point where there is continuous swarming surveillance.
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LINK (http://www.infowars.com/spy-drone-buzzes-journalists-secluded-home/)
World Net Daily editor and prominent Obama administration critic Joseph Farah revealed how his secluded property was buzzed by a spy drone – part of what Farah fears is a “war” being waged by the administration against its political adversaries.
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I swear, some days I don't know who I hate more - the putrid Leftists who are destroying this country, or their enablers who supposedly reside somewhere on the "Right" side of the spectrum.
Useless tool Rich Lowry: Nothing to see here with the use of domestic drones, you wacky conspiracy theorists
The Great Drone Panic
It is Luddism masquerading as civil libertarianism. (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/304843/great-drone-panic-rich-lowry)
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No doubt they are after Farah. As for that tool Lowery, he's with
the cops, 'if you don't have anything to hide there's no reason for
you stop me from checking out your car', flipping tool he is.
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No doubt they are after Farah. As for that tool Lowery, he's with
the cops, 'if you don't have anything to hide there's no reason for
you stop me from checking out your car', flipping tool he is.
And there are many more, who walk among us, holding the same ignorant opinion. "If you're not doing anything wrong ...", except so many things have been made "wrong", no one can possibly know now what is and what isn't.
I've the long extension-handle from a broken socket in my truck. According to the law, it is not supposed to be in my possession as it can be considered a weapon.
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LINK (http://pjmedia.com/blog/gps-hijacking-team-of-u-s-faculty-students-take-control-of-drone/?singlepage=true)
Faculty and students at the University of Texas at Austin have proven that a sophisticated surveillance drone can be hacked mid-flight via its GPS. The same could be done with virtually any type of drone, or even with a commercial airliner.
What could possibly go wrong?
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No doubt they are after Farah. As for that tool Lowery, he's with
the cops, 'if you don't have anything to hide there's no reason for
you stop me from checking out your car', flipping tool he is.
I'd like to see how this jerk reacts when he is in the crosshairs.
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LINK (http://pjmedia.com/blog/gps-hijacking-team-of-u-s-faculty-students-take-control-of-drone/?singlepage=true)
Faculty and students at the University of Texas at Austin have proven that a sophisticated surveillance drone can be hacked mid-flight via its GPS. The same could be done with virtually any type of drone, or even with a commercial airliner.
What could possibly go wrong?
Nothing to me, but I don't fly. Perhaps a horrific accident is the only thing that could end this insanity. And letting it get to that point fully illustrates the kind of maniacs we are up against.
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/small-drone-missile-soon/ (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/small-drone-missile-soon/)
The drone war could be shrinking faster than anyone expected. Raytheon’s teeny, tiny drone missile might be ready to arm a small drone within months, the defense giant says.
Raytheon STM small UAV weapon flight tests (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKVwdPd4nlc#ws)
Drone wingspan looks about six foot, put a two foot heat seeking
missile on it and it's perfect for urban warfare.
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I dunno, might be closer to eight feet. Anyway, guess we may need some of our own protection, eh? How about some Sea Whiz?!
;D
20mm Phalanx CIWS, Navy Weapons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP6GpAnmAPU#)
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LINK (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/faa-has-authorized-106-government-entities-fly-domestic-drones)
Since Jan. 1 of this year, according to congressional testimony presented Thursday by the Government Accountability Office, the Federal Aviation Administration has authorized 106 federal, state and local government “entities” to fly “unmanned aircraft systems,” also known as drones, within U.S. airspace.
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LINK (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/faa-has-authorized-106-government-entities-fly-domestic-drones)
Since Jan. 1 of this year, according to congressional testimony presented Thursday by the Government Accountability Office, the Federal Aviation Administration has authorized 106 federal, state and local government “entities” to fly “unmanned aircraft systems,” also known as drones, within U.S. airspace.
Absolutely terrible in that these assholes cannot see the dangerous potential that a government can foist upon it's citizens. The only thing they care about is $
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LINK (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/faa-has-authorized-106-government-entities-fly-domestic-drones)
Since Jan. 1 of this year, according to congressional testimony presented Thursday by the Government Accountability Office, the Federal Aviation Administration has authorized 106 federal, state and local government “entities” to fly “unmanned aircraft systems,” also known as drones, within U.S. airspace.
Absolutely terrible in that these assholes cannot see the dangerous potential that a government can foist upon it's citizens. The only thing they care about is $
Don't forget power, it's all about power, money and intimidation are just means to their end.
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ND to host drone practices.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2012/07/ap-camp-grafton-drone-practice-range-072612/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2012/07/ap-camp-grafton-drone-practice-range-072612/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
It's all OK, practice makes perfect!
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http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/10/domestic-spying-mini-drone-can-watch-neighbors-from-above/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/10/domestic-spying-mini-drone-can-watch-neighbors-from-above/)
http://cbswashington.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/108728771.jpg?w=300 (http://cbswashington.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/108728771.jpg?w=300)
$300 mini-drone enables civilians to keep an eye – and two HD cameras – on the locals. (Photo by Miguel Villagran/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON (CBS) – Your neighbors’ fences are no longer tall enough.
While President Obama takes flack for the US’s use of unmanned drone attacks abroad, there is a smaller, smartphone-controlled drone hovering above urban rooftops and suburban backyards: The Parrot AR Drone 2.0.
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Boeing Demonstrates Drones That Perform Like ‘Swarm Of Insects’ (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/08/10/boeing-demonstrates-drones-that-perform-like-swarm-of-insects/)
The press release states the Boeing and Johns Hopkins conducted tests in 2011 in which dissimilar drones across air, land and sea collaborated autonomously to conduct searches and communicate information.
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Drones-are-Ready-for-Takeoff.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Drones-are-Ready-for-Takeoff.html)
With no need to carry people, drones designed for such work come in all sizes and shapes. Some look like a flying engine cowling (minus the rest of the plane) or a laptop with tail fins. Some are as big as a 737; others have the heft, and flapping wings, of a sparrow.
Some drones also look like conventional aircraft, ...
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Just tell me how to bring them down.
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We need a new legal framework to deal with changes brought about by the rapid pace of technology. You often hear "there is no right to privacy", well perhaps it is time that such a right indeed is codified into law. It used to be that there was no need for a specific right, because it was understood that anything you do or say out in public is subject to public consumption. But that does not account for the all-seeing, all-hearing, never-distracted senses of these artificial busybodies.
We're not becoming a police state, we are one. It may not be a fully malevolent one yet, but it's swiftly moving in that direction and all the tools for doing so are already in place.
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We need a new legal framework to deal with changes brought about by the rapid pace of technology. You often hear "there is no right to privacy", well perhaps it is time that such a right indeed is codified into law.
Of course there is; I don't give a sht what "they" say. Why? because it's not "listed" in the Constitution?
Same baloney with "driving is a privilege". Izzat so? Let's see, we pay multiple taxes for the roads -- and that includes on our vehicles and the licensing by the State -- and, that amounts to privilege? In spite of the right to travel? Or is that not a right either?
And, yes, I know we're not talking the Feds here, but the individual States, and I don't care.
It used to be that there was no need for a specific right, because it was understood that anything you do or say out in public is subject to public consumption. But that does not account for the all-seeing, all-hearing, never-distracted senses of these artificial busybodies.
We're not becoming a police state, we are one. It may not be a fully malevolent one yet, but it's swiftly moving in that direction and all the tools for doing so are already in place.
They must be stopped.
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Drones-are-Ready-for-Takeoff.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Drones-are-Ready-for-Takeoff.html)
With no need to carry people, drones designed for such work come in all sizes and shapes. Some look like a flying engine cowling (minus the rest of the plane) or a laptop with tail fins. Some are as big as a 737; others have the heft, and flapping wings, of a sparrow.
Some drones also look like conventional aircraft, ...
And some look like a clueless sp**k campaigning for president .
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We need a new legal framework to deal with changes brought about by the rapid pace of technology. You often hear "there is no right to privacy", well perhaps it is time that such a right indeed is codified into law. It used to be that there was no need for a specific right, because it was understood that anything you do or say out in public is subject to public consumption. But that does not account for the all-seeing, all-hearing, never-distracted senses of these artificial busybodies.
We're not becoming a police state, we are one. It may not be a fully malevolent one yet, but it's swiftly moving in that direction and all the tools for doing so are already in place.
Perhaps a new Amendment looking to update the Bill of Rights for modern intrusions into our privacy is in order...but what am I saying? Any such effort would be offered by political animals, and will either be watered down to a meaningless state, marginalized by corrupt judges or just outright violated like so many other rights we once enjoyed and jealously protected.
Peaceful political resolution of our problems on the vast majority of issues destroying this Republic-in-name-only is futile.
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$300. - $500.00
Parrot AR.Drone
The AR.Drone flying over Paris : a best of 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KosnIqrWLDY#ws)
http://gamesgadgetsnmore.blogspot.com/2010/06/parrot-ardrone.html (http://gamesgadgetsnmore.blogspot.com/2010/06/parrot-ardrone.html)
http://ardrone2.parrot.com/ardrone-2/altitude/ (http://ardrone2.parrot.com/ardrone-2/altitude/)
"Just tell me how to bring them down."
I'm thinking air to air would be anymouse and fun too!
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Dogfight! Hummer-warz!
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If mini-SkyNet flies that low and slow a 12g outta do the trick.
No bag limit!
::whoohoo::
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Funny American drones:
Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/remote-us-base-at-core-of-secret-operations/2012/10/25/a26a9392-197a-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story_2.html) - Djibouti, Air Force mechanics have reported mysterious incidents in which the airborne robots went haywire.
In March 2011, a Predator parked at the camp started its engine without any human direction, even though the ignition had been turned off and the fuel lines closed. Technicians concluded that a software bug had infected the “brains” of the drone, but never pinpointed the problem.
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Hunh. Twitchy, glitchy little things, ain't they.
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SkyNet struggling for consciousness? ::speechless::
::exitstageleft::
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H.R. 658, the FAA reauthorization bill, mandates that the FAA must designate six UAV test ranges in U.S. airspace within about six months. But a special clause, and the one most important to Alaska, will designate portions of airspace from the Aleutian Islands to the North Slope for 24-hour UAV use "for research and commercial purposes."
Possibility of an Arctic oil spill is chief among lingering questions of offshore oil development in the Arctic -- and Walker has also worked with Royal Dutch Shell, the oil supermajor looking at oil prospects in the Chukchi Sea off Alaska's northwest coastline. In advance of that development, in response to environmental concerns, Shell is interested in conducting wildlife surveys in the area, and UAVs offer an ideal way to do that.
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/unmanned-aerial-drones-future-arctic-reconnaissance# (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/unmanned-aerial-drones-future-arctic-reconnaissance#)
Drone use overhead is a deep subject.
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Wha...? ::speechless::
Eff that noise! Tell the enviro-whackers to pound sand, they want to prove something, make them spend their time and effort to do it. If the state tries to force oil companies to indict themselves, then, well, if you're that stupid to hell with you too!
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Wha...? ::speechless::
Eff that noise! Tell the enviro-whackers to pound sand, they want to prove something, make them spend their time and effort to do it. If the state tries to force oil companies to indict themselves, then, well, if you're that stupid to hell with you too!
Wowee Von Wowendorf!! Forgot to refill the Chill Pill prescription, I see!
Indict themselves? Legitimate environmental concerns DO exist. I applaud oil companies taking some responsibilty in identifying and mitigating risks. Even in cases where risks are minimal, I'm sure they recognize the need to play the game. I'm certainly not for wasting time and resources appeasing the whackos, but not everyone who has concern for our resources is a whacko.
I dont agree with those who want an across the board ban on all Drones in US airspace. I lost a friend to a mid-air collision who was a spotter pilot for the herring fishery. When UAV technology evolves to allow them to safely share our airspace, I can see some valuable uses for them.
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Yes, as with Caribou mating in the shadow of the oil pipeline it would be good to have visual verification of the positive aspects of rigs in the sea. As in the Gulf where they become natural artificial reefs encouraging the procreation of edible goodies.
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Wha...? ::speechless::
Eff that noise! Tell the enviro-whackers to pound sand, they want to prove something, make them spend their time and effort to do it. If the state tries to force oil companies to indict themselves, then, well, if you're that stupid to hell with you too!
Wowee Von Wowendorf!! Forgot to refill the Chill Pill prescription, I see!
Indict themselves? Legitimate environmental concerns DO exist. I applaud oil companies taking some responsibilty in identifying and mitigating risks. Even in cases where risks are minimal, I'm sure they recognize the need to play the game. I'm certainly not for wasting time and resources appeasing the whackos, but not everyone who has concern for our resources is a whacko.
I dont agree with those who want an across the board ban on all Drones in US airspace. I lost a friend to a mid-air collision who was a spotter pilot for the herring fishery. When UAV technology evolves to allow them to safely share our airspace, I can see some valuable uses for them.
"Wowee Von Wowendorf!!"?! LOL!
I agree about the drones ... as long as any Tom, Dick and Harry citizen has 'em as well. ::saywhat::
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Wha...? ::speechless::
Eff that noise! Tell the enviro-whackers to pound sand, they want to prove something, make them spend their time and effort to do it. If the state tries to force oil companies to indict themselves, then, well, if you're that stupid to hell with you too!
Wowee Von Wowendorf!! Forgot to refill the Chill Pill prescription, I see!
Indict themselves? Legitimate environmental concerns DO exist. I applaud oil companies taking some responsibilty in identifying and mitigating risks. Even in cases where risks are minimal, I'm sure they recognize the need to play the game. I'm certainly not for wasting time and resources appeasing the whackos, but not everyone who has concern for our resources is a whacko.
I dont agree with those who want an across the board ban on all Drones in US airspace. I lost a friend to a mid-air collision who was a spotter pilot for the herring fishery. When UAV technology evolves to allow them to safely share our airspace, I can see some valuable uses for them.
"Wowee Von Wowendorf!!"?! LOL!
I agree about the drones ... as long as any Tom, Dick and Harry citizen has 'em as well. ::saywhat::
Yeah, the inch/mile thingy...everything always works out for the best, people are basically good, nothing bad can happen...I'm done playing nice with asshats. When was the last time anybody got any airtime for the benefits arising from our pipelines etc? Yeah, I haven't seen it either, meanwhile the enviro-whacko's get all the free pub they want on network news, AnimalPlanet and everywhere else...they keep showing that BS pic of pristine mountains and critters about to be poisoned by Big Oil when the north slope is as flat as a board and critters are teaming like never before. But I guess it is too much to ask people to stop acting like pussies and start treating enemies like enemies...that is why we lose, that is why we cannot drill our own oil...that is why we let drones fly over our cities.
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Yes, as with Caribou mating in the shadow of the oil pipeline it would be good to have visual verification of the positive aspects of rigs in the sea. As in the Gulf where they become natural artificial reefs encouraging the procreation of edible goodies.
My longbow and I have hunted up and down the Dalton Hwy for years and I have never seen caribou mating in the shadows of the pipeline. I HAVE seen a frisky look in their eyes from time to time tho!
People truly ARE clueless about ANWAR. Unless you have actually had your boots on the ground, you just cant fathom the vastness of the North Slope. And in relation to how big that country is, the footprint of the oil field and pipeline is miniscule. I mean a speck on a knats ass! And the critters couldnt care less. After the haul road was opened for bowhunting and then to tourism, the caribou learned to approach the road on a dead run and not stop until well clear of it. And as soon as they stop they simply go back to lickin lichen.
Managing the critters up here is a HUGE task and ADF&G does an awesome job of it. UAVs could be a valuable asset in doing population surveys. They could also be used to fly the pipeline for security and maintenance purposes.
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Yes, as with Caribou mating in the shadow of the oil pipeline it would be good to have visual verification of the positive aspects of rigs in the sea. As in the Gulf where they become natural artificial reefs encouraging the procreation of edible goodies.
My longbow and I have hunted up and down the Dalton Hwy for years and I have never seen caribou mating in the shadows of the pipeline. I HAVE seen a frisky look in their eyes from time to time tho!
People truly ARE clueless about ANWAR. Unless you have actually had your boots on the ground, you just cant fathom the vastness of the North Slope. And in relation to how big that country is, the footprint of the oil field and pipeline is miniscule. I mean a speck on a knats ass! And the critters couldnt care less. After the haul road was opened for bowhunting and then to tourism, the caribou learned to approach the road on a dead run and not stop until well clear of it. And as soon as they stop they simply go back to lickin lichen.
Managing the critters up here is a HUGE task and ADF&G does an awesome job of it. UAVs could be a valuable asset in doing population surveys. They could also be used to fly the pipeline for security and maintenance purposes.
No.
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Wha...? ::speechless::
Eff that noise! Tell the enviro-whackers to pound sand, they want to prove something, make them spend their time and effort to do it. If the state tries to force oil companies to indict themselves, then, well, if you're that stupid to hell with you too!
Wowee Von Wowendorf!! Forgot to refill the Chill Pill prescription, I see!
Indict themselves? Legitimate environmental concerns DO exist. I applaud oil companies taking some responsibilty in identifying and mitigating risks. Even in cases where risks are minimal, I'm sure they recognize the need to play the game. I'm certainly not for wasting time and resources appeasing the whackos, but not everyone who has concern for our resources is a whacko.
I dont agree with those who want an across the board ban on all Drones in US airspace. I lost a friend to a mid-air collision who was a spotter pilot for the herring fishery. When UAV technology evolves to allow them to safely share our airspace, I can see some valuable uses for them.
"Wowee Von Wowendorf!!"?! LOL!
I agree about the drones ... as long as any Tom, Dick and Harry citizen has 'em as well. ::saywhat::
Yeah, the inch/mile thingy...everything always works out for the best, people are basically good, nothing bad can happen...I'm done playing nice with asshats. When was the last time anybody got any airtime for the benefits arising from our pipelines etc? Yeah, I haven't seen it either, meanwhile the enviro-whacko's get all the free pub they want on network news, AnimalPlanet and everywhere else...they keep showing that BS pic of pristine mountains and critters about to be poisoned by Big Oil when the north slope is as flat as a board and critters are teaming like never before. But I guess it is too much to ask people to stop acting like pussies and start treating enemies like enemies...that is why we lose, that is why we cannot drill our own oil...that is why we let drones fly over our cities.
Thats the way it is... Ya rarely hear the good stuff... negative sells. And those who have the least to say scream the loudest. Thing is, if we dont take each issue on its own merits and address it logically and with a level head, we just come off as screamers from the opposite extreme. Like I said before, care and concern for the environment and resources is not exclusive to environmental extremist whack-jobs. Yes, enemies should be treated as such, but I find I'm taken much more seriously and am more effective when I pick my fights. If that makes me a "pussie"... you dont know dick! :c)
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Yes, as with Caribou mating in the shadow of the oil pipeline it would be good to have visual verification of the positive aspects of rigs in the sea. As in the Gulf where they become natural artificial reefs encouraging the procreation of edible goodies.
My longbow and I have hunted up and down the Dalton Hwy for years and I have never seen caribou mating in the shadows of the pipeline. I HAVE seen a frisky look in their eyes from time to time tho!
People truly ARE clueless about ANWAR. Unless you have actually had your boots on the ground, you just cant fathom the vastness of the North Slope. And in relation to how big that country is, the footprint of the oil field and pipeline is miniscule. I mean a speck on a knats ass! And the critters couldnt care less. After the haul road was opened for bowhunting and then to tourism, the caribou learned to approach the road on a dead run and not stop until well clear of it. And as soon as they stop they simply go back to lickin lichen.
Managing the critters up here is a HUGE task and ADF&G does an awesome job of it. UAVs could be a valuable asset in doing population surveys. They could also be used to fly the pipeline for security and maintenance purposes.
No.
Why?
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Yes, as with Caribou mating in the shadow of the oil pipeline it would be good to have visual verification of the positive aspects of rigs in the sea. As in the Gulf where they become natural artificial reefs encouraging the procreation of edible goodies.
My longbow and I have hunted up and down the Dalton Hwy for years and I have never seen caribou mating in the shadows of the pipeline. I HAVE seen a frisky look in their eyes from time to time tho!
People truly ARE clueless about ANWAR. Unless you have actually had your boots on the ground, you just cant fathom the vastness of the North Slope. And in relation to how big that country is, the footprint of the oil field and pipeline is miniscule. I mean a speck on a knats ass! And the critters couldnt care less. After the haul road was opened for bowhunting and then to tourism, the caribou learned to approach the road on a dead run and not stop until well clear of it. And as soon as they stop they simply go back to lickin lichen.
Managing the critters up here is a HUGE task and ADF&G does an awesome job of it. UAVs could be a valuable asset in doing population surveys. They could also be used to fly the pipeline for security and maintenance purposes.
No.
Why?
That they have useful purposes is beyond question. Unfortunately, today, they are too easily turned to nefarious purposes. Can you say "Google"? "Facebook"?
I have no objection to UAVs in the abstract, but I have privacy concerns, great ones concerning government. Like I wrote previously, should there be no objection to your average Joe having one if industry wants them; that's one thing, but the privacy and use-of-information concern is a great one to me, and I don't trust today's lawmakers or the courts to do the legal/right thing.
So, no.
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Wha...? ::speechless::
Eff that noise! Tell the enviro-whackers to pound sand, they want to prove something, make them spend their time and effort to do it. If the state tries to force oil companies to indict themselves, then, well, if you're that stupid to hell with you too!
Wowee Von Wowendorf!! Forgot to refill the Chill Pill prescription, I see!
Indict themselves? Legitimate environmental concerns DO exist. I applaud oil companies taking some responsibilty in identifying and mitigating risks. Even in cases where risks are minimal, I'm sure they recognize the need to play the game. I'm certainly not for wasting time and resources appeasing the whackos, but not everyone who has concern for our resources is a whacko.
I dont agree with those who want an across the board ban on all Drones in US airspace. I lost a friend to a mid-air collision who was a spotter pilot for the herring fishery. When UAV technology evolves to allow them to safely share our airspace, I can see some valuable uses for them.
"Wowee Von Wowendorf!!"?! LOL!
I agree about the drones ... as long as any Tom, Dick and Harry citizen has 'em as well. ::saywhat::
Yeah, the inch/mile thingy...everything always works out for the best, people are basically good, nothing bad can happen...I'm done playing nice with asshats. When was the last time anybody got any airtime for the benefits arising from our pipelines etc? Yeah, I haven't seen it either, meanwhile the enviro-whacko's get all the free pub they want on network news, AnimalPlanet and everywhere else...they keep showing that BS pic of pristine mountains and critters about to be poisoned by Big Oil when the north slope is as flat as a board and critters are teaming like never before. But I guess it is too much to ask people to stop acting like pussies and start treating enemies like enemies...that is why we lose, that is why we cannot drill our own oil...that is why we let drones fly over our cities.
Thats the way it is... Ya rarely hear the good stuff... negative sells. And those who have the least to say scream the loudest. Thing is, if we dont take each issue on its own merits and address it logically and with a level head, we just come off as screamers from the opposite extreme. Like I said before, care and concern for the environment and resources is not exclusive to environmental extremist whack-jobs. Yes, enemies should be treated as such, but I find I'm taken much more seriously and am more effective when I pick my fights. If that makes me a "pussie"... you dont know dick! :c)
Let me forstall the poo-flinging likely to occur by saying I doubt Libertas was referring to you as a "pussie" in that his response was to me, not you.
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Yes, as with Caribou mating in the shadow of the oil pipeline it would be good to have visual verification of the positive aspects of rigs in the sea. As in the Gulf where they become natural artificial reefs encouraging the procreation of edible goodies.
My longbow and I have hunted up and down the Dalton Hwy for years and I have never seen caribou mating in the shadows of the pipeline. I HAVE seen a frisky look in their eyes from time to time tho!
People truly ARE clueless about ANWAR. Unless you have actually had your boots on the ground, you just cant fathom the vastness of the North Slope. And in relation to how big that country is, the footprint of the oil field and pipeline is miniscule. I mean a speck on a knats ass! And the critters couldnt care less. After the haul road was opened for bowhunting and then to tourism, the caribou learned to approach the road on a dead run and not stop until well clear of it. And as soon as they stop they simply go back to lickin lichen.
Managing the critters up here is a HUGE task and ADF&G does an awesome job of it. UAVs could be a valuable asset in doing population surveys. They could also be used to fly the pipeline for security and maintenance purposes.
No.
Why?
That they have useful purposes is beyond question. Unfortunately, today, they are too easily turned to nefarious purposes. Can you say "Google"? "Facebook"?
I have no objection to UAVs in the abstract, but I have privacy concerns, great ones concerning government. Like I wrote previously, should there be no objection to your average Joe having one if industry wants them; that's one thing, but the privacy and use-of-information concern is a great one to me, and I don't trust today's lawmakers or the courts to do the legal/right thing.
So, no.
I do share your concerns. I have NO faith in government. I hadnt given the issue much thought until finding this site and thread. And I have to admit that upon further thought, the arguments Ive made for them could just as easily be used by government to sell us on more invasion of our privacy. It sucks. There are so many legitimate and valuable uses for them here in Alaska.
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Yes, as with Caribou mating in the shadow of the oil pipeline it would be good to have visual verification of the positive aspects of rigs in the sea. As in the Gulf where they become natural artificial reefs encouraging the procreation of edible goodies.
My longbow and I have hunted up and down the Dalton Hwy for years and I have never seen caribou mating in the shadows of the pipeline. I HAVE seen a frisky look in their eyes from time to time tho!
People truly ARE clueless about ANWAR. Unless you have actually had your boots on the ground, you just cant fathom the vastness of the North Slope. And in relation to how big that country is, the footprint of the oil field and pipeline is miniscule. I mean a speck on a knats ass! And the critters couldnt care less. After the haul road was opened for bowhunting and then to tourism, the caribou learned to approach the road on a dead run and not stop until well clear of it. And as soon as they stop they simply go back to lickin lichen.
Managing the critters up here is a HUGE task and ADF&G does an awesome job of it. UAVs could be a valuable asset in doing population surveys. They could also be used to fly the pipeline for security and maintenance purposes.
No.
Why?
That they have useful purposes is beyond question. Unfortunately, today, they are too easily turned to nefarious purposes. Can you say "Google"? "Facebook"?
I have no objection to UAVs in the abstract, but I have privacy concerns, great ones concerning government. Like I wrote previously, should there be no objection to your average Joe having one if industry wants them; that's one thing, but the privacy and use-of-information concern is a great one to me, and I don't trust today's lawmakers or the courts to do the legal/right thing.
So, no.
I do share your concerns. I have NO faith in government. I hadnt given the issue much thought until finding this site and thread. And I have to admit that upon further thought, the arguments Ive made for them could just as easily be used by government to sell us on more invasion of our privacy. It sucks. There are so many legitimate and valuable uses for them here in Alaska.
I think drones would be a dandy way to take animal population surveys.
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Wha...? ::speechless::
Eff that noise! Tell the enviro-whackers to pound sand, they want to prove something, make them spend their time and effort to do it. If the state tries to force oil companies to indict themselves, then, well, if you're that stupid to hell with you too!
Wowee Von Wowendorf!! Forgot to refill the Chill Pill prescription, I see!
Indict themselves? Legitimate environmental concerns DO exist. I applaud oil companies taking some responsibilty in identifying and mitigating risks. Even in cases where risks are minimal, I'm sure they recognize the need to play the game. I'm certainly not for wasting time and resources appeasing the whackos, but not everyone who has concern for our resources is a whacko.
I dont agree with those who want an across the board ban on all Drones in US airspace. I lost a friend to a mid-air collision who was a spotter pilot for the herring fishery. When UAV technology evolves to allow them to safely share our airspace, I can see some valuable uses for them.
"Wowee Von Wowendorf!!"?! LOL!
I agree about the drones ... as long as any Tom, Dick and Harry citizen has 'em as well. ::saywhat::
Yeah, the inch/mile thingy...everything always works out for the best, people are basically good, nothing bad can happen...I'm done playing nice with asshats. When was the last time anybody got any airtime for the benefits arising from our pipelines etc? Yeah, I haven't seen it either, meanwhile the enviro-whacko's get all the free pub they want on network news, AnimalPlanet and everywhere else...they keep showing that BS pic of pristine mountains and critters about to be poisoned by Big Oil when the north slope is as flat as a board and critters are teaming like never before. But I guess it is too much to ask people to stop acting like pussies and start treating enemies like enemies...that is why we lose, that is why we cannot drill our own oil...that is why we let drones fly over our cities.
Thats the way it is... Ya rarely hear the good stuff... negative sells. And those who have the least to say scream the loudest. Thing is, if we dont take each issue on its own merits and address it logically and with a level head, we just come off as screamers from the opposite extreme. Like I said before, care and concern for the environment and resources is not exclusive to environmental extremist whack-jobs. Yes, enemies should be treated as such, but I find I'm taken much more seriously and am more effective when I pick my fights. If that makes me a "pussie"... you dont know dick! :c)
Let me forstall the poo-flinging likely to occur by saying I doubt Libertas was referring to you as a "pussie" in that his response was to me, not you.
Heh, I'm not calling you that either! It was more directed at those who cave into the left and play the game on their terms. The opposite of being an extremist on one side is being an extremist on the other, yes? To assume being a "moderate" (for lack of a better term) on enviro issues is the optimal point to be at...as with anything regarding politics, the middle is where you get killed, the middle is where you see "compromise" whereby only the left wins via incrementalism ever their direction. That is my only point, that and being an extremist on the other side (which I relish) is not a bad thing...just because I loath militant enviros doesn't mean my position means I am all for polluting the planet into extinction, that pooh-throwing is the tactic of the enemy and I reject it thouroughly.
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater
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Scalia and the Supremes should revisit the privacy issue in light of the great proximity of persons and technological advances. Is our home restricted to the structure we sleep in or is it the whole of our property?
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We have property rights? When did that happen? ::stirpot::
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Nostalgia.
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Scalia and the Supremes should revisit the privacy issue in light of the great proximity of persons and technological advances. Is our home restricted to the structure we sleep in or is it the whole of our property?
Look here (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57542510-38/court-oks-warrantless-use-of-hidden-surveillance-cameras/):
"CNET has learned that U.S. District Judge William Griesbach ruled that it was reasonable for Drug Enforcement Administration agents to enter rural property without permission -- and without a warrant -- to install multiple "covert digital surveillance cameras" in hopes of uncovering evidence that 30 to 40 marijuana plants were being grown.
"Placing a video camera in a location that allows law enforcement to record activities outside of a home and beyond protected curtilage does not violate the Fourth Amendment," Justice Department prosecutors James Santelle and William Lipscomb told Callahan.
As digital sensors become cheaper and wireless connections become more powerful, the Justice Department's argument would allow police to install cameras on private property without court oversight -- subject only to budgetary limits and political pressure."
*Ahem*. According to http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/curtilage (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/curtilage)
"Curtilage includes the area immediately surrounding a dwelling, and it counts as part of the home for many legal purposes, including searches and many self-defense laws. When considering whether something is in a dwelling's curtilage, courts consider four factors:
The proximity of the thing to the dwelling;
Whether the thing is within an enclosure surrounding the home;
Wha the thing is used for.
What steps, if any, the resident took to protect the thing from observation/ access by people passing by.
The Supreme Court suggested these factors in the context of determining whether or not a barn was part of a house's curtilage. See United States v. Dunn (1987), 480 U.S. 294.
In the context of criminal procedure, courts generally call any part of the property surrounding a dwelling that is not part of the curtilage an 'open field.' "
To recap: Your house and anything else within a close-by surrounding "enclosure" on your twenty acres is protected under the Fourth; your barn, two acres away, and its open area are not.
Property lines be damned.
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I hates it when I'm right. Curtilage is easement on steroids, HGH and amphetamines... ::)
What could possibly go wrong?
::bashing::
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Once upon a time I lived along a state highway. And specifically a mile plus straight~as~an~arrow stretch of highway that transverses a residential community between two largish suburban cities. Naturally it was a irresistible temptation for drag-racers and garden-variety speeders.
It also served as an equally irresistible temptation to the state patrol for quota-duty.
Now generally I didn't GAS whether or not the cops hung out because we did have a couple of cars get messed up (mostly by the drink drivers however), but I didn't like them using my van as camouflage to their activities. And the reason was simple - I didn't want anyone taking out their resentment at getting a ticket on my stuff.
So, on one particular occasion when I noticed the cops took to hiding out behind my van to fish for speeders I went up to the highway, got in my van, and moved it. Pretty soon the cops moved as well, again taking up position behind my van. So I got in the van and moved it up in front of them, backing up right in front of their front bumper. I got out, locked up, and started to walk off.
The cop lit up his flashers and hit his siren, "pulling me over". :o
I walked back up to the street and confronted the cop, who wanted to berate me for blocking his vehicle. I told him to find someone else to hide behind if he wanted to do his speed trap. He got pissed and tried to lecture me. I cut him off and invited him to ticket me.....that is, if he thought he could find an ordnance that I had broken. I also told him that I had all day to play and would move my van every time he did.
He steamed a bit and drove off (squealing his tires for effect). I gave him the finger then next time I saw him. It's nice when you can have a clear understanding of each other ;D
I guess the reason for my tale was that the drones reminded me that even if it's perfectly legal, I don't have to like it - or accept it. I may (or may not) get a "drone-killer" of my own and go hunting should I ever see one over my house.
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To recap: Your house and anything else within a close-by surrounding "enclosure" on your twenty acres is protected under the Fourth; your barn, two acres away, and its open area are not.
Property lines be damned.
Once again, I don't have the warm and fuzzy feeling. Nor the leg tingling.
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Heh, that is a dang good narrative there 'Soup! But, right is right, they ain't got to like it, but they dang well will respect it! ::thumbsup::
Alan - "Once again, I don't have the warm and fuzzy feeling. Nor the leg tingling." Heh, all I wanna know is, how's the trigger finger feelin'? ;D
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Another one (#4) bites the dust. (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Flying-Camera-From-Animal-Rights-Group-Shot-Down-at-Pigeon-Shoot-Cops-179983451.html?dr)
Flying Camera From Animal Rights Group Shot Down at Pigeon Shoot
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The drone, nicknamed “Angel,” was recording a live pigeon shoot on Sunday around 3 p.m. when investigators say it was suddenly struck by gunfire. ...
SHARK claimed “a single sharp rifle crack rang out,”... The gunshot caused around $4,000 in damage to the camera, according to SHARK.
State Police are investigating the incident. SHARK claims this is the fourth time the drone has been shot at while trying to spy on what they claim are inhumane pigeon shoots.
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Another one (#4) bites the dust. (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Flying-Camera-From-Animal-Rights-Group-Shot-Down-at-Pigeon-Shoot-Cops-179983451.html?dr)
Flying Camera From Animal Rights Group Shot Down at Pigeon Shoot
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The drone, nicknamed “Angel,” was recording a live pigeon shoot on Sunday around 3 p.m. when investigators say it was suddenly struck by gunfire. ...
SHARK claimed “a single sharp rifle crack rang out,”... The gunshot caused around $4,000 in damage to the camera, according to SHARK.
State Police are investigating the incident. SHARK claims this is the fourth time the drone has been shot at while trying to spy on what they claim are inhumane pigeon shoots.
I don't know if it is the same club but I saw something like this on u-toob earlier this year. In that case several shooters took part in the downing of the drone. As I recall the limp-wrists called the cops in that case also and the cops came and essentially said tough-luck - you're invading their airspace.
All I can say in this case is - don't get caught.
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Skynet continued:
(http://rt.com/s/tmp/x-47b-air-demonstrator-deck-870947.jpg)
With a wingspan of 62-feet (18.9m), the subsonic drone will be the first tailless aircraft ever to land on a carrier.
Autonomous US stealth drone completes 1st test launch (VIDEO, PHOTOS) (http://rt.com/usa/news/us-drone-launch-autonomous-986/)
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Crap, SkyNet is getting more powerful! ::facepalm::
This thing will definitely be harder to shoot down.
And carriers with pilot-less aircraft? ::falldownshocked::
Where the heck is the fun in that?
::mooning::
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http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/04/16843014-exclusive-justice-department-memo-reveals-legal-case-for-drone-strikes-on-americans?lite (http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/04/16843014-exclusive-justice-department-memo-reveals-legal-case-for-drone-strikes-on-americans?lite)
EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens
>The phrase that scares me most is this one: "even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."
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The twisted legal advisors working for The Regime will always be able to come up with a plausible sounding rationale to back up any act legal or illegal, so don't worry yourself over inconsequential things...now is the time to think like a revolutionary not a citizen.
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But Booooosh!! Liberals are so damn pathetic. They give this a total pass because it's their guy in charge now.
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Maybe that's another good T-shirt idea - "If Bush would have done half the crap Obama is getting away with he'd have been impeached, convicted and imprisoned already!"
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
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16 page memo (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf)
-Some words that stick out:-
Interest in forestalling the threat of violence. [So they admit violence against Americans is inevitable]
The military may constitutionally use force against a U.S. citizen who is a part of enemy forces.
The United States is currently in a non international armed conflict [ambiguous and meaning they can strike whereever, whenever, however]
Given this authority, the question becomes whether and what further restrictions may limit its exercise. (page 5)
The U.S. citizenship of a leader of Al Qa'ida or its forces, however, does not grant that person constitutional immunity from attack.
The Due Process Clause would not prohibit alethal operation of the sort contemplated here.
-And the list could go on, but essentially if you are labeled with this ambiguous term, 'enemy' or 'Al Qa'ida or associated', then you can expect to have right s revoked and in steed gain the right not to see your death coming. And what is this about military having constitutional rights?-
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That first item is driving everything we are seeing, the assault on our rights (the 2A especially) and further dilution of conservative and libertarian influences by flooding the nation with new citizens via amnesty plans, and on and on, this is a full court press to destroy every last vestige of resistance to fascist rule in America. What besides the noticeable wetting of pants is the response of our so-called representatives?
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Via Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/rush-limbaugh-obama-drone-policy-means-you-can-kill-a-terrorist-you-just-cant-waterboard-him-video/), Rush Limbaugh's riff:
“Does this mean that Nixon coulda taken out Bill Ayers? Does this mean that Richard Nixon could have taken out the New Black Panther Party?”
But this (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/media-confirms-barack-obama-called-for-drone-bombing-of-16-year-old-denver-boy/) is what's gotten other panties in a wad:
"Seven months before the New York Times report, Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki, a 16-year-old American citizen from Denver, was killed in a drone strike in Yemen. Abdulrahman Al-Aulaqi was the son of terrorist Anwar al-Aulaqi. He did not have a trial. He was never waterboarded. He was sixteen.
Barack Obama dropped a bomb on his head."
*sigh*
I'm having a hard time working up any outrage about al-Awlaki's son, American citizen notwithstanding, and I wouldn't give a rat's about any of this if it wasn't for what Rush Limbaugh pointed out about the potential for killing American citizens not in Yemen, but here in-country, and without due process, based on whatever Obongo The Decider decides.
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...I'm having a hard time working up any outrage about al-Awlaki's son, American citizen notwithstanding...
I'm right there with ya, but we have to understand that's exactly what they're counting on...
"First they came for______..."
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Libiots as usual have a hard time thinking like normal people, what with their heads up their butts 24/7, but you are correct it should be OBVIOUS to ANYBODY that there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between targeting American scum overseas threatening us with terrorism and Americans at home exercising their rights of free asssembly and freedom of speech, and YES their right to bear arms!
(Sorry for the screaming, caps for any libiots who stumble in here!)
Rush's Nixon quips are funny, but seriously, just think of all the domestic enmemies we could have ridden ourselves of long ago! ::stirpot::
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...I'm having a hard time working up any outrage about al-Awlaki's son, American citizen notwithstanding...
I'm right there with ya, but we have to understand that's exactly what they're counting on...
"First they came for______..."
I've considered that, IDP, as I wrote, and you may be right. I think the crux of it for me is al-Awlaki may have been "a citizen" but he wasn't an American, and neither was his son, who was an anchor-baby. Which points to the fact that we need to get this citizenship issue ironed out and right damn now.
These drone-strikes need closer scrutiny, probably by the judiciary, in terms of due process and warrants, however. If for no other reason than to revoke citizenship of the al-Awlaki types ... before droning his ass and whoever's with him.
I'm remembering John Walker Lindh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh), which is a more cut-and-dried issue of citizenship, and he sits today in prison in the US. Had he not been caught by accident, should he have been allowed to continue to wage war against the US until he could be arrested and read Miranda? Then, there's Adam Gadahn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yahiye_Gadahn), convicted in absentia of treason; what is to be done about him?
I am fully aware of the risks here of normal American citizens designated as terrorists and targeted for remote termination and it doesn't even come down to "it depends on who is in office" because none of them can be trusted with this sort of unfettered power. Meh, I just talked myself around in a circle.
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It seems to me that in the graying of this issue with the justifications we've already acknowledged, the concept of due process is under attack as much or more than these "citizens".
Sure, they throw their lot in with Islamists who vow Jihad against the Great Satan. Sure, they leave the US, presumably to plot and plan. But now this president is claiming the power to kill them, even in the absence of evidence of a specific crime or act of war. Presumably all one needs to do now is voice a wish to see the American government destroyed in order for this president to invoke that self-proclaimed power.
By eradicating due process in this one "special" circumstance against American citizens in league with al Qaeda, the door is flung open for the day when WE openly wish for the destruction of the American regime, and can be killed without evidence.
I wish for that destruction now. If I could irradiate Washington DC and cleanse this great nation of its scourge and free our citizens from the hell that is about to be unleashed, at least a part of me would do it in a heartbeat. Which means that in the eyes of Barack Hussein Obama and his illegitimate regime, I am a target who is a mere step or two away on their progress chart. They can't kill me yet, because they're still getting people used to the idea of killing al Qaeda Americans without a warrant.
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Isn't it now permissible to drone "activists" within the borders of the Continental US?
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There can be no doubt that drone strikes are on a fast track from tools of military operations on foreign battlefields to tools of domestic "homeland security". I don't think we even need to bother looking for specific evidence in support of that assertion, because it's axiomatic that government power only ever grows in scope and scale. Like a malignant tumor, it grows until its host can no longer feed it, then it dies a sudden death.
Part of the problem, the dilemma about whether to deal with these people in the context of military operations or law enforcement, comes from the fact that they operate in what are basically lawless badlands. There is no local authority to speak of, so it's not like you would deal with a criminal who had gone to a civilized country. With other civilized countries you can issue an internationally recognized arrest warrant and request that the foreign government apprehend them in accordance with their own local procedures. Places like Afghanistan aren't even countries, so that's completely out the window. But we can't allow them to dictate our ability to deal with them just because they stubbornly refuse to conform to convenient definitions. So they're not exactly criminals and not exactly an enemy army, but some blurred hybrid of the two. I'm of the opinion that any area so lawless has in essence no claim to sovereignty, and is therefore implicitly inviting outside powers to come and do what the locals obviously can't.
None of that applies to the apprehension and adjudication of people here on US soil, and this flirtation with the domestic use of armed drones needs to be put down right damn now.
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Drones over the US on US citizens is IMO a clear provocation and a likely bending if not the beginning of breaking down posse comitatus, which has taken a beating, especially since 2006 under Bush, that Obama is trying to push for more than even the eeeevil Bush got seems to be lost on the great unwashed comprising libiotland.
Any drones over me get shot down...as far as I know they're a big ugly goose, tag me for hunting out of season if you want, but that fugly bastard is going down!
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This is so pointless.....
Why don't they just march into lindh's cell and shoot him in the head? If it's all about killing "the bad guy" and civil rights are an inconvenient obstacle to be ignored, why not off all the bad guys at gitmo? If it is just a matter of lazy expedience why don't they just nuke Afghanistan. And Pakistan while they're at it? That would kill a bunch of bad guys. Very efficiently.
Of course one of two very real considerations is whether or not they can employ common sense when building their kill list (doubt it). And (as alluded to) a very real fear is which political enemies does the HNIC have in mind? Is it only the HNIC that reserves the right to arbitrarily murder American citizens with impunity or can he delegate the privilege? If he happens to be out bath-housing one afternoon can nappy janet sit in and ad-lib for him? Say he's had a rough night of anal sex and chooming and valerie decides that Rand Paul has gotten a little uppity lately, would it OK for her to send a drone to his house?
So many questions.
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Yes, many questions but you know the answers as well as I. Knowing how know libiots and bureaucrats operate, it's all about everybody passing everyone else enough get-out-of-jail-free cards as possible and remembering the golden words of Congressional testimony - "I don't recall", "I have no recollection of that", "I was not privy to that information", "It was my understanding that this was authorized", "I will have to check on that and get back to you". . .
Oh, and best of all the propaganda wing of the Democrat-Media Complex is there to divert, distract, confound and threaten any opposition . . .
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Memo (http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/04/16843014-exclusive-justice-department-memo-reveals-legal-case-for-drone-strikes-on-americans?lite) documenting the CIA’s policy on the targeted killing of American citizens.
Charlottesville, Virginia: one of the first cities (http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-drone-regulation-20130205,0,7365434.story) to ban drones.
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Charlottesville's drone ban (http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-drone-regulation-20130205,0,7365434.story) has come a little late to the dance. Surely they are not planning to shoot us whether it is legal by the attorney general or not. It's a reasonable act to have them stationed to protect the borders but looking at their placement and the cities requesting them begs the question, what are they for?
Here (https://www.google.com/fusiontables/embedviz?viz=MAP&q=select+col2+from+1WuTyH62PmUF97oxo6IreT1BL_aw9HJN5pocwmwg&h=false&lat=44.08758502824518&lng=-85.5615234375&z=4&t=1&l=col2&y=1&tmplt=2) is the map.
Here (https://www.eff.org/document/2012-faa-list-drone-applicants) is the application list.
Does this mean they can send drones after ANY American any time they please? (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7664.msg89761.html#msg89761)
Citation (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/09/is-there-a-drone-in-your-neighborhood/): Is There A Drone in Your Neighborhood?
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Charlottesville's drone ban (http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-drone-regulation-20130205,0,7365434.story) has come a little late to the dance. Surely they are not planning to shoot us whether it is legal by the attorney general or not. It's a reasonable act to have them stationed to protect the borders but looking at their placement and the cities requesting them begs the question, what are they for?
Here (https://www.google.com/fusiontables/embedviz?viz=MAP&q=select+col2+from+1WuTyH62PmUF97oxo6IreT1BL_aw9HJN5pocwmwg&h=false&lat=44.08758502824518&lng=-85.5615234375&z=4&t=1&l=col2&y=1&tmplt=2) is the map.
Here (https://www.eff.org/document/2012-faa-list-drone-applicants) is the application list.
Does this mean they can send drones after ANY American any time they please? (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7664.msg89761.html#msg89761)
Citation (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/09/is-there-a-drone-in-your-neighborhood/): Is There A Drone in Your Neighborhood?
This is as a reason as the Founders installed for the citizens, the militia, to have an equal arsenal as the government because they knew as well as anyone the dangers of over zealous and encroachment by central government authorities. We cannot allow the use of drones for even as simple purpose as surveillance trolling for trouble. The thin line as we all have come to know especially from this illegal regime was obliterated.
Franklin had it right when he stated that those that would sacrifice Liberty for security deserve neither.
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Crop Cam in Ottertail County, m-kay.
But I know Minneapolis has those sound detectors to triangulate shots, and video is already everywhere, now with NDAA etc SkyNet is growing rapidly...we are rushing toward the wrong direction way too fast.
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Interestingly enough, the dingbat mayor recently gave a presentation to the Seattlunatics unveiling his grand plan to have Drones Over Seattle....(to their credit) the lunatics said, "No thanks".
What's a good statist to do?!!
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Didn't take them long to fulfill IAL prophesy.
US To Use Drones In Chris Dorner Manhunt (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman)
Who's next?
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Odd that, given that libiot asshats are praising Dorner as some sort of cult hero, what are they gonna do know, get pissed at BO for hunting down their hero like a raghead in the desert?
::popcorn::
ETA -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCxcqsNCYAAkUxJ.jpg)
H/T - Weaslezippers (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/10/tweet-of-the-day-4/)
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They'll do what they always do...not give up.
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Y'all really need to take a look at this:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e95_1359267780 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e95_1359267780)
H/T Pi
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Topics merged.
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What is it? It won't load for me.
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What is it? It won't load for me.
It's a documentary video about 1.8 billion pixel video technology being attached to drones that fly near 18,000 feet and still clearly define all moving targets on the ground down to 6 inches.
Skynet.
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What is it? It won't load for me.
It's a documentary video about 1.8 billion pixel video technology being attached to drones that fly near 18,000 feet and still clearly define all moving targets on the ground down to 6 inches.
Skynet.
Plus, they can pull up to 60 small-focused windows at a time, and "go back in time" via the recorded data to do it.
Cross between Skynet and Person of Interest's "machine".
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Sweet Jesus! In the hands of the Sith Lords like Obama we are so screwed!
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Who is flying the drones over US soil?
2012:
1. DOD (Where and under sho's authority?) - 201
2. Academia (Huh? What? Better not have asshats like Cornell West have access to this shyt!) - 91
3. NASA (exploring Uranus is not enough) - 35
4. LEAs (Air Arpaio along the border I could handle, Air anything else is BS!) - 22
5. DHS (Dept of Hitlerian Stormtroopers, what could go wrong?) - 17
6. DOI (Yeah, I bet they are just keeping an eye on bears and moose!) - 17
7. DOE (Really? What does DOE need drones for?) - 5
8. State Dept (Huh? In America? Hillary monitoring Bill? Yeah, I don't think so!) - 2
9. State Govt (?) - 1
H/T - ZeroHedge
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-17/who-most-active-user-drones-over-united-states (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-17/who-most-active-user-drones-over-united-states)
Not until you click into the PDF link do we see the real culprit here (like we didn't know?!) -
Congress has tasked FAA to lead the effort of safely integrating UAS into the national airspace, but several other federal agencies—such as the Department of Defense (DOD), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)—also have a role. While DOD uses UAS for training and operational missions, DHS for border patrol, and NASA for scientific research, each agency provides FAA with safety, reliability, and performance data through the COA process. These agencies also participate in UAS integration forums as discussed later in this section. Table 1 provides an overview of key federal UAS stakeholders and their roles in integrating UAS.
Table 1: Key Federal UAS Stakeholders and Their Roles Integrating UAS into the National Airspace
Key stakeholders
UAS integration role
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)
FAA’s UAS Integration Office is responsible for ensuring that UAS operate safely in the national airspace.
Department of Defense (DOD)
DOD provides FAA with UAS operational and safety data, as well as research and development support.
National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
NASA provides research and development and testing on UAS integration efforts.
Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
DHS’s Customs and Border Patrol has provided flight demonstrations to FAA’s Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen) Office.
General Services Administration (GSA)
The General Services Administration (GSA) is responsible for tracking the federal government’s UAS inventory. Federal agencies that own or lease UAS report their UAS inventory, cost and utilization data to GSA.
Department of Justice (DOJ)
DOJ’s National Institute of Justice is responsible, in part, for assisting the technology needs—including UAS—of local, state, and tribal law enforcement agencies.
Source: GAO analysis of FAA data.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/652223.pdf (http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/652223.pdf)
As we all know and have seen the roles Congress intends and the role Regimes and unelected bureacrats come up with are often as different as night is to day!
::gaah::
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Dept of Hitlerian Stormtroopers - The Department of Homeland Security is advancing its plan to use surveillance drones for “public safety” applications, announcing last week that it had received a deluge of “excellent” responses from potential vendors and was set to carry out more tests of the technology.
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-advances-plan-for-public-safety-drones/ (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-advances-plan-for-public-safety-drones/)
Hey Mr/Ms Public, ain't y'all tinkled pink the gubmint is looking out for your safety?! Can't ya just feeeeel the love buzzing over you?!
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Lower, lower. . .that's it, a little closer. . .
::rockets::
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Via Pandora's 18,000 ft. observer they'll never know.
Observer link (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e95_1359267780)
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http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Public+Safety+Drones&qpvt=Public+Safety+Drones&FORM=IGRE (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Public+Safety+Drones&qpvt=Public+Safety+Drones&FORM=IGRE)
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http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Public+Safety+Drones&qpvt=Public+Safety+Drones&FORM=IGRE (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Public+Safety+Drones&qpvt=Public+Safety+Drones&FORM=IGRE)
Not to be out done by PoPo:
Spying eyes or a bit of fun, drones fly off the shelves (http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/spying-eyes-or-a-bit-of-fun-drones-fly-off-the-shelves-20130216-2ek6s.html)
REMOTE-CONTROLLED drones that can record video footage are being sold in large retail stores, alarming privacy experts who say they could be used to spy on people.
Shocked I tell you, shocked. People using drones to spy on other people. What has this world come to?
''It is concerning that this type of equipment can be easily purchased and used by individuals, potentially without any limitation on their use,'' said Mr Pilgrim, who recently wrote to the Attorney-General raising his concerns.
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''It is concerning that this type of equipment can be easily purchased and used by individuals, potentially without any limitation on their use,'' said Mr Pilgrim, who recently wrote to the Attorney-General raising his concerns.
Oh, but he's not worried that the government does it?!
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''It is concerning that this type of equipment can be easily purchased and used by individuals, potentially without any limitation on their use,'' said Mr Pilgrim, who recently wrote to the Attorney-General raising his concerns.
Oh, but he's not worried that the government does it?!
Yeah, the idiots have no problem with the government sticking their noses where it don't belong, but God forbid that the people who live near them do it. ETA Personally, I just want to be left alone (from the gov as well as the neighbors).
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No comment by the ACLU?This should be up their ally.Wishful thinking.
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''It is concerning that this type of equipment can be easily purchased and used by individuals, potentially without any limitation on their use,'' said Mr Pilgrim, who recently wrote to the Attorney-General raising his concerns.
Oh, but he's not worried that the government does it?!
Oh oh, you call out the stoopit for being stoopit and they don't react to that well, and the manipulators in statist halls know it, it's all the distraction they need to go merrily along their business of undermining personal liberty at every turn.
It's a rigged game and the sheep are being the pliant fodder the state needs, until that dynamic changes it's just SSDD.
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So we can use drones to monitor gubment drones?
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Begun the drone wars have.
Oh, and ahh, I dunno, do we thank AP & AQ for providing this list to us?
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/_pdfs/al-qaida-papers-drones.pdf (http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/_pdfs/al-qaida-papers-drones.pdf)
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Begun the drone wars have.
Oh, and ahh, I dunno, do we thank AP & AQ for providing this list to us?
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/_pdfs/al-qaida-papers-drones.pdf (http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/_pdfs/al-qaida-papers-drones.pdf)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-27/rand-paul-cia-can-you-kill-drones-usa (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-27/rand-paul-cia-can-you-kill-drones-usa)
Rand Paul’s Third Letter to the CIA: Can You Kill with Drones in the USA? ...
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Do you believe that the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial?
This should not be a complicated question to answer, yet it seems Obama, Brennan and pretty much every other little power consumed bureaucrat is...
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The Stealth Muzzie will blow him off, Rand knows this and this could all be nothing than CYA.
We know what the amswer should be, the constitution demands the right answer be given, but it won't, and evil will be allowed to continue its mayhem across the land.
::gaah::
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China's Drones (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-01/guest-post-here-comes-chinas-drones) which includes a link parade (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-01/guest-post-here-comes-chinas-drones) of world class drones.
So if there is an alarm bell worth ringing about the emergence of Chinese UAVs, it is probably not the threat they will pose to the U.S. or Japan in the Asia-Pacific – it is the proliferation to the developing world of armed, unmanned systems that China’s low prices, and even lower export barriers, may soon begin to drive.
China expanding it's arms offering to third world buggers.
Helping them kill each other, well, it's an evil thing but it couldn't happen to a needier group.
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Homeland Security's specifications say drones must be able to detect whether a civilian is armed. Also specified: "signals interception" and "direction finding" for electronic surveillance.
(http://)
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The documents show that CBP specified that the "tracking accuracy should be sufficient to allow target designation," and the agency notes on its Web site that its Predator B series is capable of "targeting and weapons delivery" (the military version carries multiple 100-pound Hellfire missiles). CBP says, however, that its Predator aircraft are unarmed.
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CBP's specifications say that signals interception and direction-finding technology must work from 30MHz to 3GHz in the radio spectrum. That sweeps in the GSM and CDMA frequencies used by mobile phones, which are in the 300MHz to 2.7GHz range, as well as many two-way radios.
::youturnmeonImaradio::
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Drones can be hacked. It's been done. It will be done again when it is necessary.
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I would like some jam on drones, and a bourbon chaser.
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It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a fully-armed Predator drone coming for our asses!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-04/drones-take-manhattan (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-04/drones-take-manhattan)
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During the apocalypse those week end air antiques will called into duty one more time.
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Might need a bunch of flares & Molotov cocktails too, might mess up their IR & FLIR. ::evil::
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-05/dear-american-its-extraordinary-circumstance-and-drones-coming-you (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-05/dear-american-its-extraordinary-circumstance-and-drones-coming-you)
Dear Senator Paul,
On February 20, 2013, you write to John Brennan requesting additional information concerning the administration's views about whether "the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial."
As members of this Administration have previously indicated, the US government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and have no intention of doing so. As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individual have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.
The question you have posed is entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur and we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on Dec. 7, 1941 and Sept. 11, 2001.
Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority.
Sincerely,
Eric Holder,
Attorney General
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-05/dear-american-its-extraordinary-circumstance-and-drones-coming-you (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-05/dear-american-its-extraordinary-circumstance-and-drones-coming-you)
Dear Senator Paul,
On February 20, 2013, you write to John Brennan requesting additional information concerning the administration's views about whether "the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial."
As members of this Administration have previously indicated, the US government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and have no intention of doing so. As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individual have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.
The question you have posed is entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur and we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on Dec. 7, 1941 and Sept. 11, 2001.
Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority.
Sincerely,
Eric Holder,
Attorney General
Translation - We are busy ttrying to manufacture events to give us the pretext to seize this authority and implement our Final Solution and create the nation we all long for.
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Sadly, it may take a mid-air collision with one of these that gets people to question their use, not that the Democratic-Media Complex wouldn't bury the UAV angle and replace it with a "crazed right-wing Tea Party whack job" did it with a rocket launcher false flag op of some sort.
::gaah::
http://www.infowars.com/second-drone-spotted-over-new-york/ (http://www.infowars.com/second-drone-spotted-over-new-york/)
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Ah yes, the 'ol DC shell game, that'll fool the people!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/19/exclusive-no-more-drones-for-cia.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/19/exclusive-no-more-drones-for-cia.html)
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::mooning::
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And then there is this from the leader of one of our largest urban zoo's - “The argument against using automation, it’s this craziness– oh, it’s Big Brother. Get used to it.”
Drones, cameras, any and all manner of privacy invasions and any and all manner of eradicating Constitutional rights of the individual is all good, just get used to it commoners, or no safety & security for you!
Now, bow and thank me!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-25/mayor-bloomberg-drones-oh-its-big-brother-get-used-it (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-25/mayor-bloomberg-drones-oh-its-big-brother-get-used-it)
My God, when is this trash going to be dealt with?!
::gaah::
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And then there is this from the leader of one of our largest urban zoo's - “The argument against using automation, it’s this craziness– oh, it’s Big Brother. Get used to it.”
Drones, cameras, any and all manner of privacy invasions and any and all manner of eradicating Constitutional rights of the individual is all good, just get used to it commoners, or no safety & security for you!
Now, bow and thank me!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-25/mayor-bloomberg-drones-oh-its-big-brother-get-used-it (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-25/mayor-bloomberg-drones-oh-its-big-brother-get-used-it)
My God, when is this trash going to be dealt with?!
::gaah::
When the tech bites them in the ass it will be all about the right to their privacy and the injustice of it all.
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And then there is this from the leader of one of our largest urban zoo's - “The argument against using automation, it’s this craziness– oh, it’s Big Brother. Get used to it.”
Drones, cameras, any and all manner of privacy invasions and any and all manner of eradicating Constitutional rights of the individual is all good, just get used to it commoners, or no safety & security for you!
Now, bow and thank me!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-25/mayor-bloomberg-drones-oh-its-big-brother-get-used-it (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-25/mayor-bloomberg-drones-oh-its-big-brother-get-used-it)
My God, when is this trash going to be dealt with?!
::gaah::
When the tech bites them in the ass it will be all about the right to their privacy and the injustice of it all.
Too bad the stupid bastards are unable to recognize that condition is called "to fvcking late" ahead of time! So I can only conclude they want it no matter the cost.
::viking::
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From filibuster to fold...awesome.
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/23/ron_paul_fans_furious_over_rand_pauls_drone_flip_flop (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/23/ron_paul_fans_furious_over_rand_pauls_drone_flip_flop)
PaulBots never liked Rand...ever, that I can tell...and while Rand is trying to define specific and limited instances he still should know better...once the statist camel gets his nose under the tent his ass isn't far behind and any limitation has been rendered moot.
Way to go Rand...you jerked a knot in your own tail quite nicely.
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VIDEO: Insect Sized Drone Takes Flight - Here (http://www.viralread.com/2013/05/03/insect-sized-drone/)
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VIDEO: Insect Sized Drone Takes Flight - Here (http://www.viralread.com/2013/05/03/insect-sized-drone/)
They're gonna need some long cables to control those things. If they can micro size computers then maybe.
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http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/09/mystery-aircraft-frightens-quincy-residents/ (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/09/mystery-aircraft-frightens-quincy-residents/)
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http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/09/mystery-aircraft-frightens-quincy-residents/ (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/09/mystery-aircraft-frightens-quincy-residents/)
Where's that laser doohickey?
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Seattle Man Hovers Drone Over a Family’s House for ‘Research’ (http://betabeat.com/2013/05/seattle-man-hovers-drone-over-a-familys-house-for-research/)
The result will be: Govt controls all airspace.
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Yes, a civilian doing this is dangerous and nefarious, the government doing this is just peachy!
WTF happened to American common sense? Just flushed down the sh*tter all at once, eh?
That the government, who should be working for us not we for them, can do things we cannot...ought to send chills down the spine!
There surely are a lot of sheep ripe for slaughter.
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Remote-Control Helicopter Provides Aerial View of Taksim Demonstrations
—Ace
I've got a little bit of tech-shock here: Sure, I knew the government would have access to this level of quality electronics, but I didn't know it was something someone could just buy at the store.
More (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/340981.php)
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Seattle Man Hovers Drone Over a Family’s House for ‘Research’ (http://betabeat.com/2013/05/seattle-man-hovers-drone-over-a-familys-house-for-research/)
The result will be: Govt controls all airspace.
Fother mucker would lose control of his craft after the 12 ga shattered the damn thing to bits. He'd be the next target.
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Maybe we should be using them to spy on those spying on us. ::stirpot::
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Seattle Man Hovers Drone Over a Family’s House for ‘Research’ (http://betabeat.com/2013/05/seattle-man-hovers-drone-over-a-familys-house-for-research/)
The result will be: Govt controls all airspace.
It wasn't me, you can't prove a thing, and I promise I'll never do it again...
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Heh, I like that response. ::thumbsup::
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Here we go...
A Kentucky man is being persecuted for doing what I threatened to do in this link (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=9520.msg113066#msg113066) if anybody's drone ever came over me!
http://www.wdrb.com/story/29650818/hillview-man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-cites-right-to-privacy (http://www.wdrb.com/story/29650818/hillview-man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-cites-right-to-privacy)
Retarded cops side with the pervs/theives/mischief-makers.
So, what lessons do we draw?
Could go either or both ways, right?
We could say, after you shoot it down...recover the pieces and destroy it fully...tell anybody who comes around sticking their nose in your business to piss off unless they have a warrant...and even them wish them luck.
We could all get drones, heck, there are models within financial reach for a lot of folks if they are so inclined to pursue it...instead of getting a swimming pool or a new deck or ATV...and we could buzz our neighbors, the PoPo...any government assclown and installation we desire to toy with.
What y'all think?
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What y'all think?
I think I would have used my wrist-rocket instead of a shotgun. I think that I wouldn't have so overtly threatened the droners when they came to complain about their toy. And I think that I would have tried harder to shoot the damned thing down so that they wouldn't have ever found it again.
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The comments at that article are nauseating. I'm referring to the ones who seem to be experiencing some sort of sexual gratification by citing regulations governing the use of air space. I can just imagine them putting on their little Carpal Tunnel Syndrome wrist brace and then furiously typing out their comments in response to everyone who said "I would have done the same thing." So yeah, he shouldn't have fired a shotgun at it, but I can understand why he was pissed.
Seriously, there is a type of person who seems to experience a perverse gratification by quoting laws and regulatory codes. Not surprisingly, they are all liberals.
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I give you the patriotic eagle...
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-xBtVU4lg#)
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I give you the patriotic eagle...
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-xBtVU4lg#)
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/busey_clapping.gif)