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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: Glock32 on November 14, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
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That question mark could not be more rhetorical, as you will see in this excellent article by Andrew McCarthy. Chalk it up to "too little, too late" perhaps, but I am glad to finally see calls to let this party join its Whig antecedents in irrelevance. That current has been strong among people like ourselves, but most writers and pundits had, until this election, been good Company Men. I don't think this hapless party even yet realizes how done it is. And to the extent that they are worried about their future at all, they've convinced themselves it's because they didn't reach out enough to Hispanics. The people they didn't reach out to was their own base. They're done. Over.
Time To Move On From the GOP?
November 14, 2012 - 5:04 am - by Andrew C. McCarthy
Today is a monumentally important day that is being treated as a fait accompli by the Beltway ruling class and its partners, the legacy media. This morning, the Congress is scheduled to select its leaders for the coming session. If all goes according to plan, Republicans will double down on stupid – ignoring the conservatives who gave them control of the House and reappointing the same leadership team that turned the triumph of 2010 into the disaster of 2012.
In the historic 2010 midterm elections, conservatives gave Republicans a chance to prove that they’d repented of their huge-spending nanny-state ways. It was not that conservatives were won over by a Republican establishment that, during the Bush years, had run up an astounding $5 trillion of debt while creating new entitlements and launching an ill-conceived experiment in sharia-democracy building. Instead, it was that we needed to stop Obama’s doubly expensive gallop to the left, to a post-American rejection of our liberty culture. In the short term, Republicans were the only game in town.
Over the long haul, however, there were two alternatives: Either (a) the Republican Party would prove that it had become an effective vehicle for advocating and using its power to begin putting into effect the dramatic change necessary to reverse – not just halt, reverse – the debt abyss and the metastasis of the central government; or (b) the Republican Party would prove that it was not up to this challenge, would substitute lame excuses (“We only control one-half of one-third of the government”) for steely spines, and would therefore demonstrate that conservatives would be better off abandoning the GOP and establishing a new vehicle.
We’ve now seen enough to draw a conclusion: the Republican Party says what it believes must be said to entice conservative votes at election time, but it is not remotely serious about implementing limited government policies or dealing with the two central challenges of our age, existentially threatening deficit spending and Islamic supremacism.
Under the leadership of progressive-lite House Speaker John Boehner and his fellow professional Washington moderates in the GOP Senate leadership, congressional Republicans agreed to budgeting that internalized into its baselines Obama’s exorbitant stimulus spending. They signed off on a reckless extension of the government’s line of credit to an astounding $16.4 trillion, then cynically insulted our intelligence by attempting to obscure and deny their approval of it – and presently, they are laying the groundwork to raise this “debt ceiling” to a mind-boggling $19 trillion, the next stop on the road to $22 trillion and beyond. As Mark Steyn observes, the federal government now borrows a staggering $188 billion million per hour, adding $1 trillion to the debt every nine months. Contrary to what the GOP tells you, none of this could happen without the approval of the Republican-controlled House.
To get some perspective, it took over 200 years for the country to run up $5 trillion in debt. Under current Republican leadership, $5 trillion was added in just the eight years of the Bush administration. Another $5-plus trillion has been added in just four years under Obama. With over a trillion dollars in purportedly “extraordinary” stimulus spending now baked in the ordinary budget cake, Leviathan’s spending now doubles the $1.9 trillion stratosphere it hit just eleven years ago. In the Bush years, the GOP zoomed it to $3 trillion before the economy tanked in 2007-08, largely thanks to the bipartisan insanity of financing mortgages for people who couldn’t afford them. On the current trajectory pushed by Obama with Republican acquiescence – and without accounting for catastrophes both foreseeable (e.g., a rise in interest rates, war, the real costs of Obamacare) and unforeseen – expenditures will top $4.5 trillion at the end of Obama’s second term.
Yes, Obama is driving this suicide train, but he has lots of company up front. The vaunted Ryan budget plan – over which Republicans thump their chests – would escalate spending to $4.9 trillion by 2022. It claims what Republicans always claim: they’re going to get serious … tomorrow … or maybe the next day – or the next decade. Indeed, Congressman Ryan would balance the federal budget by … wait for it … 2040. That is, in some future decade, long after many of us die fat and happy on the stolen prosperity of our children and grandchildren, the skies will open and the mythical disciplined political class will descend to impose responsible governance. Until then, Party on dudes! And never you mind that as Ryan and Boehner and McConnell and the rest well know, today’s session of Congress cannot bind future Congresses. The guys who can’t even control 2013 never have any trouble telling you how well they’ve arranged things to run in 2040.
In weaving their story that Obama alone is the catalyst of our crisis, the Republican establishment counts on the constitutional illiteracy of the electorate. The inescapable fact, however, is that all taxing and spending bills enacted by the federal government must originate in the House. The GOP’s all purpose abdication mantra, “We’re only one-half of one-third of the government,” would be laughable if our straits were not so dire. When was the last time you heard the left-leaning bloc of Supreme Court justices say, “We can’t impose our policy preferences on the country. After all, we’re only one-half of one-third of the government”? When was the last time President Obama restrained himself from issuing executive orders conferring, say, privileges on illegal aliens, by explaining that he is only is only one-third of the government (a third, mind you, with zero constitutional authority to confer anything).
In constitutional law, the pertinent issue is never what percentage of total power is allocated to a branch. The question is: Which branch is given supremacy over the relevant subject matter. On the subject matter of taxing and spending – including the task of setting the parameters of the government’s authority to borrow and spend – Congress is supreme and the House has pride of place. It is certainly true that congressional Republicans cannot force President Obama to sign bills and cannot, given the number of Democrats in both chambers, expect to override presidential vetoes. Nevertheless, spending requires legislative authority that originates in the House. It is not a matter of executive diktat. President Obama would not have a dime to spend unless the House and the Senate agreed to give it to him. The government could not borrow more money for President Obama to spend unless the House and the Senate both authorized the borrowing.
It is not that Republicans are powerless to tackle our debt crisis. It is that they lack the will. Just as they are stuck politically in 1964 – having forgotten the Reagan landslides, they’ve convinced themselves that embracing conservatism leads inevitably to Goldwater thumpings – Republicans are frozen in 1995 when it comes to spending. Even though the national debt is now well over three times (soon to be four times) what it was when Bill Clinton and the pre-Fox media successfully demagogued them for shutting down the government, the Republican establishment clearly believes it lacks the competence to make a convincing public case that there is no more money left.
On that, perhaps, we should agree – it is time to explore other options.
The spendaholic government that the Republican establishment has colluded with Democrats to give us has created a debacle in which mandatory spending (entitlements plus interest on the debt) now outstrips revenues by a quarter of a trillion dollars (and rising fast). That is, we are already in a perennial, structural $250 billion debt hole before the government proceeds to pile on its enormous discretionary spending – including $700 billion in military spending and added tens of billions in other national security spending that Republicans would increase if given their druthers, along with another $600 billion and change spread over an endless array of matters that Republicans, in apparent agreement with Democrats, have decided that the states and the people cannot handle without federal instruction.
The Middle East, meanwhile, is aflame. A heavy contributing factor is the American policy of embracing and empowering the Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamists allies, very much including al Qaeda. The Brotherhood is a committed enemy of the United States. In 2007-08, the Justice Department proved that it considers the destruction of Western civilization from within to be its principal mission in the United States.
In 2011, President Obama launched an unprovoked war in Libya against the Qaddafi regime, which Republicans had been telling us for eight years had mended its ways and become an American ally – such that Republicans in Congress supported transfers of U.S. taxpayer dollars to Tripoli. Obama’s Libya war was guaranteed to put Islamists in power and put Qaddafi’s arsenal at the disposal of violent jihadists. By refusing to foot the bill, congressional Republicans could have aborted this counter-productive aggression – in the conduct of which the administration consulted the U.N. and the Arab League but not the branch of the U.S. government vested by the Constitution with the power to declare and pay for war. Instead, Republicans lined up behind their transnational progressive wing, led by Senator John McCain, which champions the chimera of sharia-democracy – McCain called the Islamists of Benghazi his “heroes.”
That pro-Islamist policy is directly responsible for the heedlessness of establishing an American consulate in Benghazi. It led to the attacks on our consulate and the British consulate, and ultimately to the terrorist murder of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya (weeks after British diplomats had the good sense to leave town).
The scandal brings into sharp relief an alarming fact that has long been obvious: notwithstanding their abhorrence of America and the West, Islamists are exerting profound influence on our government. Known Islamists and officials with undeniable Islamist connections have infiltrated the government’s policy councils; simultaneously, American policy has moved steadily in favor of Islamists – such that the government supports and funds Muslim Brotherhood affiliates that are hostile to us; colludes with these Islamists in purging from agent-training materials information demonstrating the undeniable nexus between Islamic doctrine and jihadist terror; collaborates with these Islamists in the effort to impose repressive sharia blasphemy restrictions on our free speech rights; and, we now learn, knowingly misleads the American people on the cause of murderous Islamist tirades, of which the atrocity in Benghazi is only the most recent example.
A few months back, long before these policies resulted in the killing of our American officials in Libya, and even before these policies abetted the Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Egypt (albeit after these policies assured our NATO “ally” Turkey that there would be no blowback for openly supporting Hamas), five conservative Republicans called for an investigation of Islamist influence on our government. Five members of the House – i.e., less than one percent of the Congress – was willing to stand up and confront a profound threat to American national security. The Republican establishment had the opportunity to back them, to prove that the GOP could at least be serious about a profound threat to our national security. Instead, senior Republicans – the Islamist-friendly transnational progressives to whom the party disastrously looks for foreign policy leadership – castigated the five. Speaker Boehner followed suit.
As the weeks went on, and event after event proved the five conservatives right and the apologists for Islamists wrong, the Republican establishment went mum. When the Islamist empowerment strategy coupled with the Obama administration’s shocking failure to defend Americans under siege resulted in the Benghazi massacre, the Republican establishment was given a rare gift: an opportunity, in the decisive stretch-run of a close presidential contest, to exhibit national security seriousness and distinguish themselves from Obama’s dereliction of duty. To the contrary, Gov. Romney and his top advisors decided to go mum on Benghazi; and congressional Republicans essentially delegated their response to Senators McCain and Lindsey Graham – the very “Islamic democracy” enthusiasts who had championed U.S. intervention on the side of Libyan jihadists in the first place (only after having championed the American embrace of Qaddafi).
This has to stop. The current crop of Republican leaders has shown no stomach for the fight. In fact, notwithstanding that President Obama lost a remarkable ten million votes from 2008 in his narrow reelection last week (i.e., 13 percent of his support), House Speaker John Boehner is treating him as if he has a mandate to continue his failed policies – as if the country and its representatives have no choice but to roll over on the immensely unpopular Obamacare law and concede on feeding Leviathan even more revenue and borrowing authority without deep cuts in spending (see Jeff Lord’s account, here); as if the country shares Boehner’s insouciance about the Islamist threat.
By reappointing Boehner and his leadership colleagues today, Republicans are telling us that their answer to failure is more of the same. They have a right to make that choice, but there is no reason why Americans who are serious about our challenges should follow along. The Republican establishment is content with more government, more debt, and more entanglement with our enemies. When called on it, they tell us they are powerless to stem the tide. But the problem is the lack of will and a sense of urgency, not lack of power. It is time to find a new vehicle to lead the cause of limited, fiscally responsible, constitutional government. The Republicans are telling us they are unwilling to be that vehicle. If that is the case, it is time to move on.
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/11/14/time-to-move-on-from-the-gop/ (http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/11/14/time-to-move-on-from-the-gop/)
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When a Sheldon Adelson and a Sarah Palin get behind the idea it will be all systems go.
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Levin's been saying the same: the Republicans run on "elect us so we can do such and such" and the minute they're back in office, they're telling us they have no power to do anything.
They're fired as far as I'm concerned, but truthfully, I'm not that concerned. Unless we actually get a Party with members willing to do the hard work as McCarthy has itemized, politics hardly matters and is not going to fix this mess.
Something else; I barely listen to Rush any longer. His program is on but I'm listening with half an ear or less. Unless I have been, therefore, missing something, Levin is now the relevant voice.
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Rush is still optimistic, there is some incredulity and puzzlement straining it, but it remains. You may be right about Levin, but it is all politico-speak to me no matter who is talking so I am also listening with half an ear if not less...
Politics to me has become a dead end, if there are serious efforts made at a peaceful divorce fine, but I rate those chances at less than 1% for the simple reason that one half of the nation is too interested and invested in raping and abusing the other half while the so-called opposition stumbles over itself to remain relevant in old outdated thinking.
The GOP is dying, it fate was sealed once Reaganism was repudiated by Bush-I and the rest of the Ruling Class and its been picking up downward momentum ever since.
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There is no optimism, incredulity or puzzlement to Levin; he's defiant and determined not to assist in nor accede to a tyranny, and his mood fits mine perfectly.
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If they vote to raise the debt ceiling then I think a whole lot of people will move on.
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Well, they better prepare to move on.
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If they vote to raise the debt ceiling then I think a whole lot of people will move on.
"If"?
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I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.
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If they vote to raise the debt ceiling then I think a whole lot of people will move on.
"If"?
Yeah, no "if". They will.
I read the comments at the PJ Media piece and I'm here to tell you (the trolls can KMA, and) some on the Right still aren't sure the GOP is a flop; more "have the Tea Party infiltrate" nonsense. Makes me wonder if actual disaster brought home is the only thing gonna wake up some people.
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Where did the millions of Tea Partiers at the Mall go?
They know better, they know the change must be overwhelming.
Something's amiss.
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Levin's been saying the same: the Republicans run on "elect us so we can do such and such" and the minute they're back in office, they're telling us they have no power to do anything.
They're fired as far as I'm concerned, but truthfully, I'm not that concerned. Unless we actually get a Party with members willing to do the hard work as McCarthy has itemized, politics hardly matters and is not going to fix this mess.
Something else; I barely listen to Rush any longer. His program is on but I'm listening with half an ear or less. Unless I have been, therefore, missing something, Levin is now the relevant voice.
It's funny how so many of us are having very similar responses to these things. I too have shifted to Levin as the only commenter I listen to. His take on the situation, his mindset, agrees with mine much more than any of the others. I have barely listened to Rush since Red Tuesday. I just fail to see any reason. It's nothing against Rush, I just see that chapter of the struggle as closed. I think the reason we are gravitating to Levin, aside from his bulldog demeanor, is that he too seems to have accepted the political struggle is a dead end for now. He is now talking in broadly defiant ideological terms, and I imagine this is what the pre-revolutionary firebrands and pamphleteers must have sounded like.
I don't listen to all of them, so I might have missed some others, but Levin is the only one I know of who is reminding everyone that we are not obligated to be compliant in our own demise just because some bare majority of dumbasses are able to outvote us. 51 to 49 or 99 to 1 makes no difference. We have inalienable, God-given rights and it is not the prerogative of these people to take them away.
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Since I am cancelling my cable TV I will have to listen to Levin via the web, I have more time in the evening now. ;)
But I am growing weary of chatter, and since my tolerance for fools has never been longer than a millisecond anyway (and only getting shorter!), I have no time for people in denial as to the state or fate of the GOP, so Levin might be the only one I really care to actually listen to anymore...
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Was it time to move on from the GOP when an obvious liar like Clinton was re-elected?
Man, people get so despondent.
I'll bet anything that Obama screws up things so badly that in 2016 the GOP will control everything.
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Was it time to move on from the GOP when an obvious liar like Clinton was re-elected?
Man, people get so despondent.
I'll bet anything that Obama screws up things so badly that in 2016 the GOP will control everything.
I think the point is, so what? What will the GOP bring to the table that will reverse the course? That's why they're facing a shedding of voters CC. They've had their chances, and they have failed, utterly and miserably.
Boehner? McConnell? Really GOP?
The fact that these two assclowns are about to be christened as leadership again is so disheartening. It is a slap to the face and big f*** you to everyone who sees the nation in peril and desires with every fiber of their being to save her.
So to their "f*** you", I throw it right back at them.
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Yup. Not being taken for granted and cornholed by these Ruling Class morons anymore...they are all dead to me.
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Was it time to move on from the GOP when an obvious liar like Clinton was re-elected?
Man, people get so despondent.
I'll bet anything that Obama screws up things so badly that in 2016 the GOP will control everything.
I think the point is, so what? What will the GOP bring to the table that will reverse the course?........
Give them a break. They veered off the small government path for a short time under W.. They've all admitted it and I doubt they'll do it again.
If we each held ourselves to the standard we hold them we'd all be in trouble.
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A Poem:
The election day is over,
The talking is done.
My party lost, your party won.
So let us be friends,
Let arguments pass.
I'll hug my elephant,
You kiss your ass.
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I have to completely polar views that might keep me voting Republican, for at least awhile longer.
A. Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Let the so-called fiscal cliff happen. Don't proactively raises taxes, just don't stop it. Give Obama voting America what it voted for, good and hard. As a bonus the deficit is cut to $700 billion or so.
Or.
B. Let the government shut down. Don't wussy out as every JournoTard starts writing sob stories about the sleigh driver in Yellowstone.
Why would I sign onto tax increases? Because that's the only way the typical dumbass will start to comprehend the size of government they call for. To me, it's now about preserving what I have. Hyper inflation is my biggest enemy.
I know neither will happen. The neutered Republicans will get together with Democrats to kick the can further down the road. And I will no longer vote Republican.
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Public displays like this doesn't give me any encouragement.
Top Republicans say Romney didn't offer specifics (http://news.yahoo.com/top-republicans-romney-didnt-offer-specifics-080833236--election.html)
It's dead, Jim.
::guillotine::
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I have to completely polar views that might keep me voting Republican, for at least awhile longer.
A. Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Let the so-called fiscal cliff happen. Don't proactively raises taxes, just don't stop it. Give Obama voting America what it voted for, good and hard. As a bonus the deficit is cut to $700 billion or so.
To keep the pain real, no more extensions to unemployment payments, which is currently 99 weeks (IIRC). A vote for Owebama = a vote for OwebamaCare = a vote for higher unemployment.
I expect the Stupid Party to go along with an extension, and that is why I won't vote R again, hell I may not vote again. Why bother? No one in the R party seems to care about vote fraud.
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Was it time to move on from the GOP when an obvious liar like Clinton was re-elected?
Man, people get so despondent.
I'll bet anything that Obama screws up things so badly that in 2016 the GOP will control everything.
I think the point is, so what? What will the GOP bring to the table that will reverse the course?........
Give them a break. They veered off the small government path for a short time under W.. They've all admitted it and I doubt they'll do it again.
If we each held ourselves to the standard we hold them we'd all be in trouble.
Whaaat? For a short time? They are still off the path! That's twelve years and counting. Fool me once ....
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Public displays like this doesn't give me any encouragement.
Top Republicans say Romney didn't offer specifics (http://news.yahoo.com/top-republicans-romney-didnt-offer-specifics-080833236--election.html)
It's dead, Jim.
::guillotine::
Bobby Jindal is a "top Republican"?!
Just shoot me now.
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Public displays like this doesn't give me any encouragement.
Top Republicans say Romney didn't offer specifics (http://news.yahoo.com/top-republicans-romney-didnt-offer-specifics-080833236--election.html)
It's dead, Jim.
::guillotine::
Bobby Jindal is a "top Republican"?!
Just shoot me now.
No, we need ya 'Soup, we'll only shoot the guilty!
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There is no off the path for a short time, not with the GOP. We have to remember that Reagan's 8 years in office were the anomaly, not the norm. The post-Reagan GOP has merely congealed back into its pre-Reagan state. They obfuscated him at every point in his path to the presidency, and only because of his enormous popularity did they have to begrudgingly bite back their disdain once he was in office.
They had control of both houses of Congress and the White House for many years. They not only failed to establish a holding pattern (which is the best you can ever expect out of the GOP) but they proved just how much love they too have for Big Government profligacy. Onto this prepped ground comes the biggest and most divisive demagogue anyone in living memory has seen, who promptly begins 4 years of pouring gasoline onto an already burning economy, and the Stupid Party couldn't beat him?
If this were a football game, the GOP is doing the equivalent of punting on 1st downs. It's fire-the-coach-midseason behavior. To continue the football analogy, at this point we're not playing for the title, we're playing for next year's draft picks (i.e. let this disaster happen and hope we can emerge from it better than we were).
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This coach should have been fired the first quarter of the first game...
::unknowncomic::
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Was it time to move on from the GOP when an obvious liar like Clinton was re-elected?
Man, people get so despondent.
I'll bet anything that Obama screws up things so badly that in 2016 the GOP will control everything.
I think the point is, so what? What will the GOP bring to the table that will reverse the course?........
Give them a break. They veered off the small government path for a short time under W.. They've all admitted it and I doubt they'll do it again.
I disagree, fundamentally. They've admitted nothing. Their christening of Beohner and McConnell is evidence that they've learned nothing. They scorn the conservative base at every opportunity. They cave in at the most crucial times on the most crucial principles.
Among the very best the GOP has to offer is embodied in Paul Ryan. As the thread-starter noted, even Ryan's budget does not balance until 2040. That is fantasy-land.
From the article: "The Republican establishment is content with more government, more debt, and more entanglement with our enemies. When called on it, they tell us they are powerless to stem the tide. But the problem is the lack of will and a sense of urgency, not lack of power. It is time to find a new vehicle to lead the cause of limited, fiscally responsible, constitutional government. The Republicans are telling us they are unwilling to be that vehicle. If that is the case, it is time to move on."
Whether "moving on" from the GOP is the correct course of action is debatable, given the current two-party system. But whether the GOP has failed or succeeded in governance, and whether the GOP has the stomach to do what is necessary to correct the course of the nation, is not, in my opinion, debatable. It is a failed party, and is signaling that it intends to double-down on its failure.
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At this point I don't see any alternative to moving on. I think we made an honest effort at trying to work within the party apparatus. For many years the conservative base has been willing to hold its nose and vote for the RINO squishes that are always foisted on us. Yet when we have candidates who aren't RINO insiders, the establishment GOP never reciprocates. Why couldn't they ever "hold their nose" and support conservatives?
In 2010 we gave them one of the biggest wave elections ever seen in the Congress, and all we got for it was Boo Hoo Boehner. They further insulted us by keeping people like Michele Bachmann away from any meaningful committee assignments. And when she raised very legitimate concerns about connections between the Muslim Brotherhood and our own government, her own party's leadership couldn't wait to chuck her under the bus. I'm sure everyone here can come up with a laundry list of the insults and put asides they have dished out to the people who elected them.
Their failure is now complete. We are going to all live the consequences of it.
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Romney does us another favor by stating obummer won because he promised free stuff. This is bringing out the rinos. Mark them. They must be defeated.
There are very few republicans today I can support. I like Ryan, but even his proposed budget didn't balance intil 2040. I consider that kicking the can down the road.
But I'll admit, after some soul searching, talking to my wife and son, I'm in selfish mode now. While I don't want to see "a deal" to keep us from falling off the financial cliff ( I don't think it possible, but it is a different discussion), but I will accept something that allows me a few years to better prepare financially, to hoard some silver and gold, get ready for the collapse. I think its coming. I want a few more years to be as prepared as I can get.
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One of the comments at the PJ Media article was from Francis Porretto, occasional contributor to our own fine forum here. I think it captures exactly what many of us are thinking in response to this article's central question.
It’s never been wise to put one’s trust in a political party. They who steer the Republican Party are animated by the desire that animates the kingmakers of any political party: the desire for power and prestige. They to whom these things are the Holy Grail of existence are the least scrupulous, least trustworthy men in the world. We should bend all our efforts to keeping them away from the levers of power…yet as Friedrich Hayek told us in The Road to Serfdom, they’re always the ones who manage to get there. (Read the chapter “Why The Worst Get On Top.”)
The Constitution of the United States was written with the power-tropism of the unscrupulous man in mind. There’s no point in mincing words about it: it has failed us…or we have failed it. In either case, if there’s a path forward, it does not lie in endless optimism about our ability to reform the GOP. It does not lie in the belief that we can take the nation back to its limited-government basis solely through political outreach and electoral action. It certainly does not lie in backing the pursuit of power by the most dangerous men in the nation.
We need a new direction? Of course, Mr. McCarthy. It’s inarguable. But that direction had better bend us away from politics. It had better tend toward improvements individuals and small groups can make without anyone else’s approval or any government’s blessing or support, or it will come to nothing.
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Amen, Francis, the time was breached long ago when we should move past them.
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For the record:
Karl Rove Cannot See the Elephant in the Living Room (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334952.php)
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I don't call that asshat "The Butthead" just because it is funny, it is tragically true. But no doubt the morons running that party into the ground will continue to listen to The Butthead and not to us. Screw 'em.
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Have a few minutes, this will cheer you up.
Bill Whittle "Where do we go now?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuL41ohlfZY#ws)
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I don't call that asshat "The Butthead" just because it is funny, it is tragically true. But no doubt the morons running that party into the ground will continue to listen to The Butthead and not to us. Screw 'em.
Yes, it is true. And funny. I can no longer see his fat face on TV without picturing this:
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9a1ejWHj91qiu02c.gif)
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Damn, I feel sorry for the kids though! ::unknowncomic::
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Ahh yes, the kind of bold principled leadership the GOP PTBs have been longing for!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83945.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83945.html)
::doublebird:: GOP!
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Ahh yes, the kind of bold principled leadership the GOP PTBs have been longing for!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83945.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83945.html)
::doublebird:: GOP!
And what will happen? They will get voted out.
Thats how things work.
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Ahh yes, the kind of bold principled leadership the GOP PTBs have been longing for!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83945.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83945.html)
::doublebird:: GOP!
And what will happen? They will get voted out.
Thats how things work.
Yes, and replaced with real statist candidates - Dem's.
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Funny thing is, if any of the ::curtsy4:: ever called for a tax increase that would actually support the spending we have, I would support them. They're not. They're just pandering to the stupid.
I have only one promise left to deliver to the Republican Party. If you think the path to victory is pandering to the stupid, I will not be there. Period.
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The controversy over taxation just proves with an exclamation point the fact that this problem will. not. be. solved. Ever. And that's because this is not a revenue problem. It's a spending problem. We cannot tax our way out of it, we cannot grow the economy out of it. The only way to address the problem is to dramatically cut spending. And no one in politics has the guts for it, because the voter base doesn't have the brains for it.
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The controversy over taxation just proves with an exclamation point the fact that this problem will. not. be. solved. Ever. And that's because this is not a revenue problem. It's a spending problem. We cannot tax our way out of it, we cannot grow the economy out of it. The only way to address the problem is to dramatically cut spending. And no one in politics has the guts for it, because the voter base doesn't have the brains for it.
Yup! Been a spending problem for over 4 decades!
Stupid cannot be cured and only a fool thinks these assholes are ignorant...this can only end one way...complete collapse.
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Boner - "Will accept revenue if spending cuts"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-16/risk-ramp-boehner-banality (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-16/risk-ramp-boehner-banality)
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"Will accept revenue if spending cuts never materialize, because I am a bed-wetting cry-baby ankle-grabbing Pubbie candy-ass loser!"
FIFY, Boner!
Speaker!
::gaah::
::asskicking::
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Boner - "Will accept revenue if spending cuts"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-16/risk-ramp-boehner-banality (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-16/risk-ramp-boehner-banality)
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"Will accept revenue if spending cuts never materialize, because I am a bed-wetting cry-baby ankle-grabbing Pubbie candy-ass loser!"
FIFY, Boner!
Speaker!
::gaah::
::asskicking::
They've certainly made themselves out to be the minority party forever if they go through thos one more time with the DemonRats doing their favorite bait and switch.
Force the cuts you want and then find the easy path to compensating with revenue changes but be damn sure you tie them both together conditionally so the swith can't happen. Of cours none of this can happen because the GOP is the stupid party following the party of liars.
No problem, a few short months and the currency will be removed from oil thus pushing the dollar off the ladder then things get really hairy for anyone claiming the title of politician and banker. ::guillotine::
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Bitter fruits beget bitter harvests.
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Speaking of bitter fruits and idiot GOPer's...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/)
A stern letter, yeah. "May" have broken the law...
::gaah::
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Speaking of bitter fruits and idiot GOPer's...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/)
A stern letter, yeah. "May" have broken the law...
::gaah::
I swear they had their spines removed.
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Speaking of bitter fruits and idiot GOPer's...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/)
A stern letter, yeah. "May" have broken the law...
::gaah::
I swear they had their spines removed.
Spinectomy?
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Speaking of bitter fruits and idiot GOPer's...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/)
A stern letter, yeah. "May" have broken the law...
::gaah::
I swear they had their spines removed.
Spinectomy?
They need an addadictome. Maybe then they would grow some gonads.
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Look folks:
The Democrat party is big, powerful, established, and here to stay.
The only hope of beating them is to have a party that is big, powerful, established, and here to stay.
If we start fracturing, following third parties, following nuts like Ron Paul, going this way and that, we only solidify permanent Democrat Party dominance.
Come on people, use your head. The only hope is changing the GOP from within.
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Look folks:
The Democrat party is big, powerful, established, and here to stay.
The only hope of beating them is to have a party that is big, powerful, established, and here to stay.
If we start fracturing, following third parties, following nuts like Ron Paul, going this way and that, we only solidify permanent Democrat Party dominance.
Come on people, use your head. The only hope is changing the GOP from within.
Tried that, failed, conservatives and Tea Party was told to eff off by the GOP geniuses like The Butthead and the Ruling Class clowns that keep getting their asses kicked...oh, and there is that little thing called time we are out of, economic issues will determine our futures more than terminally dysfunctional political systems. If you are so motivated that's just swell, I and many like me are moving beyond politics and preparing for the next phase.
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One of Romney’s failings was he was trying to hard to be the centrist everyman’s solution to everything. That never freaking works.
We need a GOP candidate that is as much right as the left’s candidate is left.
We need a GOP candidate that is so far right that it makes Rush Limbaugh blush.
Rino’s must go.
They can take Rove, Christie, Brown, Huckabee, Boehner and the entire lot and GTFO.
Go Right.
Go Rogue.
Go Gault.
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following nuts like Ron Paul
I had my issues with Ron Paul, most especially, his foreign policy.
But, someone who is as adamant to follow the Constitution as he is, has been labelled a nut.
I'm not sure who is nuts anymore
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following nuts like Ron Paul
I had my issues with Ron Paul, most especially, his foreign policy.
But, someone who is as adamant to follow the Constitution as he is, has been labelled a nut.
I'm not sure who is nuts anymore
Yeah, foreign policy issues and as I've learned on other sites there is a strong antisemitic faction that he fails to repudiate, but I agree that constitutionalists in general being vilified and marginalized does not bode well for the future and is in fact an indictment of the two major parties that pretend to represent Americans IMO.
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CC, I fear that the time for that from-within change has come and gone. If a grassroots movement like the Tea Party - and let's not forget that it has been a movement on a massive scale, successful in large measure - if the Tea Party could not succeed in the dire situation faced by our nation, I fail to see another movement that will change the GOP from within. If the nation could look at the choice we faced this election cycle and somehow find a reason to re-elect Barack Hussein Obama, we must face the reality that the change-from-within we pine for was too little too late.
The GOP doesn't want to be changed, and has joined with the Leftists in trying to discredit and destroy the credibility of the Tea Party. What other movement will stand up? As AP says, people who seek to return to constitutional governance are labeled and slandered as kooks. The GOP is now telling us that in order to win, we have to abandon our conservative values to become more palatable to demographic-driven voters.
I'll try, sure. But I have lost hope that my children and grandchildren will live in an America that resembles the one I love.
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The only hope is changing the GOP from within.
Tried that, failed
Then try again, and get it right next time.
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CC, I fear that the time for that from-within change has come and gone. If a grassroots movement like the Tea Party - and let's not forget that it has been a movement on a massive scale, successful in large measure - if the Tea Party could not succeed in the dire situation faced by our nation, I fail to see another movement that will change the GOP from within...........
You just said it was "successful in large measure".
Man, these things take time. The Tea Party has only been a force for 4 years. The GOP is 170 years old for Pete's sake. Good grief!!
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Then try again, and get it right next time.
It strikes me that that is exactly what the collectivists believe. If only the right people are in charge... meanwhile, hundreds of millions of human lives are sacrificed for their vision.
The GOP is not for liberty or conservative governance. Individual Republicans can be conservative, but the GOP marginalizes them; uses them to achieve power, and then thwarts the conservative agenda systematically. The result is Barack Hussein Obama, and a United States in economic freefall.
Just a few more conservatives in the house/senate/white house, we tell ourselves. THEN the GOP will return the United States to its constitutional equilibrium.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Bludgeon me repeatedly into accepting your mediocrity as the best I can expect, well, then eventually, f**k you. (Not you CC, but the GOP)
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The majority of your fellow citizens believe they have the right to hire the government to rifle through your pocketbook and bank accounts for their own benefit. This time, we finally reached the point where there were enough of them to outvote us. With each coming election the margin will only be bigger because they are aggressively pursuing a policy of "demographic cleansing".
If the GOP were to bear any fruits for this nascent movement at halting the decline of our civilization, it was to be this November. For better or worse, it failed. The political avenue is closed. In truth, it was closed before this election. This election merely served as a dramatic fullstop.
Now it is time for the country to reap the fruits of empowering the most divisive president in its history. I hope you have a strong stomach because you are about to witness a most unseemly buffet, as all the vultures and other carrion eaters divvy up the carcass of the American Republic. They will, for a brief while, remain fat and sleek on their ill gotten gain. But theirs is a meal that can only be had once, and that is when the real fun begins.
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The majority of your fellow citizens believe they have the right to hire the government to rifle through your pocketbook and bank accounts for their own benefit. This time, we finally reached the point where there were enough of them to outvote us. With each coming election the margin will only be bigger because they are aggressively pursuing a policy of "demographic cleansing".
If the GOP were to bear any fruits for this nascent movement at halting the decline of our civilization, it was to be this November. For better or worse, it failed. The political avenue is closed. In truth, it was closed before this election. This election merely served as a dramatic fullstop.
Now it is time for the country to reap the fruits of empowering the most divisive president in its history. I hope you have a strong stomach because you are about to witness a most unseemly buffet, as all the vultures and other carrion eaters divvy up the carcass of the American Republic. They will, for a brief while, remain fat and sleek on their ill gotten gain. But theirs is a meal that can only be had once, and that is when the real fun begins.
Aye. And I have, probably, twenty plus years on Glock.
Done with bidness as usual. They either give us something we can get behind or I'm staying out of it save for hefting armory in me and mines defense.
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The only hope is changing the GOP from within.
Tried that, failed
Then try again, and get it right next time.
Listen son, I am not sure how old you aren't, but I've been at this game going on my 4th decade...we have been trying since 1988 and it's been downhill ever since Reagan left office...a brief hiccup when Newt captured the House in '94, but then he went all limp and starting playing pattycake with Slick Willie and became a Big Govt type GOPer like the rest of the Ruling Class/RINO/Country Club elites. So don't lecture me about trying boy, I put in my time! I have waaaaaaay better things to do with my time than to waste it thinking "Yeah, this time they'll pull their butts out for sure, yeah, this is it!" so stick a sock in it! You want to get jerked off by the GOP, go for it, but stow the attitude!
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The majority of your fellow citizens believe they have the right to hire the government to rifle through your pocketbook and bank accounts for their own benefit. This time, we finally reached the point where there were enough of them to outvote us. With each coming election the margin will only be bigger because they are aggressively pursuing a policy of "demographic cleansing".
If the GOP were to bear any fruits for this nascent movement at halting the decline of our civilization, it was to be this November. For better or worse, it failed. The political avenue is closed. In truth, it was closed before this election. This election merely served as a dramatic fullstop.
Now it is time for the country to reap the fruits of empowering the most divisive president in its history. I hope you have a strong stomach because you are about to witness a most unseemly buffet, as all the vultures and other carrion eaters divvy up the carcass of the American Republic. They will, for a brief while, remain fat and sleek on their ill gotten gain. But theirs is a meal that can only be had once, and that is when the real fun begins.
They're time runneth out quickly...
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The only hope is changing the GOP from within.
It's the American People. There is no longer hope of taking our ideas against Chicago and winning the minds of American People. That's why I just say stand back and let SCoaMF get what he wants. With me it's now preservation and a Sweedish level taxation (which is what it would take to fund Obama's America) would at least let me keep what I have, without losing it to hyperinflation.
It would suck if you're young, and you haven't accumulated anything, yet, but that's what you voted for. Blame your parents for you having a crappy education.
Yes, America would quicken it's decline, but we have to go there anyway. The United Piglets of America need to have it bashed over their heads, good and hard, before we can ever recover. Maybe when I'm ::oldman:: the cycle will complete. After all we just revisited Canada's dark days of Trudeau in another thread. Took 30 years to get past that fail.
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In all fairness, I don't think CatholicCrusader meant anything but to try and encourage that the fight must go on. I don't take offense to it. But I will point out my reasons for thinking it is now, at long last, well and truly futile.
It is futile mainly for the things MNHawk mentions above. It's the American people themselves that are the problem. We've been saying it since Obama was first elected: the nation can survive a President Obama, what it can't survive is a population that would (re!) elect him.
As for the Swedish comparison, at least with Swedish level taxation you get to live in a country of attractive Swedish women. What do I get here for high taxes? The Obama Phone Lady.
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I dunno G, seemed like I was being a bit chastised, right/wrong/indifferent I don't care if others want to tarry on, all I am saying is my tarrying time for these AINOs is over.
Love the Obama Phone Lady quip!
::hysterical::
And hey, we got Swede's here in Minnie...and yeah they liberal as Hell and twice as stupid...and they all don't look like Malin Åkerman, if ya get my drift...
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The only hope is changing the GOP from within.
Tried that, failed
Then try again, and get it right next time.
Listen son, I am not sure how old you aren't, but I've been at this game going on my 4th decade...we have been trying since 1988 and it's been downhill ever since Reagan left office...a brief hiccup when Newt captured the House in '94, but then he went all limp and starting playing pattycake with Slick Willie and became a Big Govt type GOPer like the rest of the Ruling Class/RINO/Country Club elites. So don't lecture me about trying boy, I put in my time! I have waaaaaaay better things to do with my time than to waste it thinking "Yeah, this time they'll pull their butts out for sure, yeah, this is it!" so stick a sock in it! You want to get jerked off by the GOP, go for it, but stow the attitude!
Its no attitude. And for the record, I voted for Reagan in 1980 and have voted solid Republican ever since. I am 50 years old, and definitely not your "son".
This is very simple: We have a 2-party system, and barring some unforseen cataclysmic event, its going to stay that way. You don't want to vote Republican in 2016? Fine. That's just one more vote for the Democrats. That's a plain and simple fact of life, and all the threads to the contrary will not change it.
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The only hope is changing the GOP from within.
Tried that, failed
Then try again, and get it right next time.
Listen son, I am not sure how old you aren't, but I've been at this game going on my 4th decade...we have been trying since 1988 and it's been downhill ever since Reagan left office...a brief hiccup when Newt captured the House in '94, but then he went all limp and starting playing pattycake with Slick Willie and became a Big Govt type GOPer like the rest of the Ruling Class/RINO/Country Club elites. So don't lecture me about trying boy, I put in my time! I have waaaaaaay better things to do with my time than to waste it thinking "Yeah, this time they'll pull their butts out for sure, yeah, this is it!" so stick a sock in it! You want to get jerked off by the GOP, go for it, but stow the attitude!
Its no attitude. And for the record, I voted for Reagan in 1980 and have voted solid Republican ever since. I am 50 years old, and definitely not your "son".
This is very simple: We have a 2-party system, and barring some unforseen cataclysmic event, its going to stay that way. You don't want to vote Republican moderate Big Govrnment Democrats in 2016? Fine. That's just one more vote for the openly visible Big Government Democrats. That's a plain and simple fact of life, and all the threads to the contrary will not change it.
FIFY!
::thumbsup::
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...This is very simple: We have a 2-party system, and barring some unforseen cataclysmic event, its going to stay that way...
I think what people are saying is that the re-election of Barack Hussein Obama IS that cataclysmic event. The two-party system has failed to uphold constitutional ideals, and fatally so.
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When it looked inevitable that Romney was going to be the candidate I agonized over my ultimate decision. Would I sit it out? I never had before - even though I came close out of disgust at wasting my vote on mccain. Would I take a "principled stand" and for for someone more ideologically aligned as myself, knowing that my vote would be lost among the fringe edges of the election? The simple truth is that there was no one that fit that definition for me. Or maybe go ahead and vote for Øbongo and the notion of bringing ruin now rather than later? I've never knowingly voted for a dhimmicrat and couldn't bring myself to do so now.
In the end I gritted my teeth, swallowed my pride, and voted for Romney. I harbored no illusions about who I was voting for. I knew that he was a moderate~to~liberal Republican who wouldn't have any problems finding compromise (read:capitulation) with the dhimmicrats. I also knew that with Romney we at least stood a chance of keeping a recognizable republic.
In a sense we got the "vote for oblivion" choice. A 2nd term of disaster with the SCoaMF. A party dedicated to the ruination of America. I didn't vote this way and would have preferred salvation, but that isn't the hand we are dealt.
Now, post-election little pukes like jindal are lecturing us that we need to be more pandering if we want people to like us. F him. Peggy Noonan, George Will, and Krauthammer are telling us that our priorities are wrong and we need to change. Screw them too. If this is to be the completion of the GOP then count me out. Frankly I think that it is largely a moot point because frankly I believe that the GOP has rendered itself irrelevant.
As I see it the GOP can remain as-is, bad-mouthing and generally dismissing the TEA party and continuing to lose elections, become the democrat-lite party and continue to lose elections, or be consumed and redirected by the TEA partiers and take a chance on winning back America. The problem is that we have too many passives on our team. They sit and bitch about their lots in life but how many got off their humps and campaigned for their team this last time around? I can tell you that in my state they were damned few.
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...This is very simple: We have a 2-party system, and barring some unforseen cataclysmic event, its going to stay that way...
I think what people are saying is that the re-election of Barack Hussein Obama IS that cataclysmic event. The two-party system has failed to uphold constitutional ideals, and fatally so.
Well, THAT I do agree with it. But let us not discount the sheer ignorance and stupidity of a HUGE segment of the populace. They are idiots, they vote for idiots, and that's what we get.
But I have a question for you guys: Were you this angry with the GOP when Reagan was president? Because Ronald Reagan - God love him and God rest his soul - grew government, cut deals with Tip O'Neil, and did slip in some slick tax increases after his big tax cuts. Government grew under Reagan. He was not a purist, but he did know that half a loaf is better than none.
At least with the GOP today, you get half a loaf. With the Democrats you get none. So you guys had better go vote in 2016 for your half of loaf or you will end up with a sh*t sandwich.
And in the meantime, work to change from within. As I said earlier, these things take time. The Tea Party has only been a force for 4 years. The GOP is 170 years old for Pete's sake. The kind of change we want will take longer than a couple of election cycles. IronDioPriest, you admitted that the Tea Party movement was successful in large measure moving the GOP to the Right. Thats just in four years. Give them 8 or 12 more. Don't throw in the towel so quickly.
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Sure, 8-12 years...
::speechless::
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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...This is very simple: We have a 2-party system, and barring some unforseen cataclysmic event, its going to stay that way...
I think what people are saying is that the re-election of Barack Hussein Obama IS that cataclysmic event. The two-party system has failed to uphold constitutional ideals, and fatally so.
Well, THAT I do agree with it. But let us not discount the sheer ignorance and stupidity of a HUGE segment of the populace. They are idiots, they vote for idiots, and that's what we get.
But I have a question for you guys: Were you this angry with the GOP when Reagan was president? Because Ronald Reagan - God love him and God rest his soul - grew government, cut deals with Tip O'Neil, and did slip in some slick tax increases after his big tax cuts. Government grew under Reagan. He was not a purist, but he did know that half a loaf is better than none.
At least with the GOP today, you get half a loaf. With the Democrats you get none. So you guys had better go vote in 2016 for your half of loaf or you will end up with a sh*t sandwich.
And in the meantime, work to change from within. As I said earlier, these things take time. The Tea Party has only been a force for 4 years. The GOP is 170 years old for Pete's sake. The kind of change we want will take longer than a couple of election cycles. IronDioPriest, you admitted that the Tea Party movement was successful in large measure moving the GOP to the Right. Thats just in four years. Give them 8 or 12 more. Don't throw in the towel so quickly.
This are all fair points CC. But as I said earlier (or in another thread, I can't remember), my definition of conservatism and my demands of politicians to uphold it has been changed by the dire circumstances in which the country finds itself. I suspect that the same is true for many people. As I said earlier, people we would have considered rock-ribbed conservatives only a decade or two ago are now widely panned as RiNO capitulators. Some of that may be unfair, but much of it is not - they've brought it upon themselves.
The time for the GOP to rally around the constitution was now - this election cycle.
My deep fear (and what I believe now to be a foregone conclusion) is that the nation doesn't have 8-12 more years for the GOP to rally around the constitution. I believe the time for them to have done so and have a meaningful impact has come and gone in 2012.
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During the Reagan administration I was in elementary school, so I wasn't particularly concerned with politics. But I don't think people were angry with the GOP then for a few reasons. Most importantly, the country was doing very well economically and militarily, so people were still in the mindset that the country could afford missteps here and there in terms of policy compromises with the Democrats. The debt grew under Reagan, but so did GDP, and by a huge amount.
It's also true that there was a different class of Democrat back then. The party was still largely that of the "old school" Democrats. It was not under total ownership of radical leftists, heavily informed by Marxist theory, like it is now. Further, I would say that there was a certain naivete in play then. People were still willing to believe the Democrats would be good faith negotiators so, you know, go along with them on this tax policy and they'll agree to spending cuts elsewhere in the budget. How many times now has Lucy yanked that football away?
Think back to all those times earlier in life where you heard different variations of the warning that went something like "if things keep going like this". Those were warnings uttered in the assumption that any consequences were still comfortably in the future, some other generation's problem, and surely the course will have been corrected before things get that urgent anyway. Well, we are now at that moment. There's no more "if things keep going like this", no, things did keep going like that. We are now at that unknown destination in uncharted territory.
At this point, what could possibly be done politically to avert disaster? Can we even appreciate the scale of what would have to be done? We would have to wholesale eliminate entire cabinet departments, eliminate entitlement programs, and so on. The voters of this country are like the screaming toddler in the store -- no matter how many times Mommy says no or even tries to explain that the coveted toy is too expensive, all our infantile population knows is that it wants this, it wants that, and it doesn't care or even comprehend why it shouldn't.
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Re: Reagan's mistakes...
Did any of you see this? (http://minx.cc/?post=335016)
That was one of his mistakes. A big one.
The other one was this: (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/gorging-beast_663547.html?nopager=1)
The concept of starving the beast was older than the phrase. An earlier metaphor involved unruly children. In a 1980 presidential debate, Reagan scoffed at the idea that Congress would have to cut federal spending before it cut taxes.
“If you’ve got a kid that’s extravagant, you can lecture him all you want about his extravagance,” said Reagan. “Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same result much quicker.”
Milton Friedman liked the metaphor too.
“How can we ever cut government down to size?” he wrote. “I believe there is one and only one way: the way parents control spendthrift children, by cutting their allowance. For government this means cutting taxes. Resulting deficits will be . . . the only effective restraint on the spending propensities of the executive branch and the legislature.”
Niskanen’s explanation for the failure of STB was straightforward, a conjecture based on standard economics: When you cut the price of something, demand for it will increase. Lowering taxes without lowering benefits meant that taxpayers were getting the benefits at a discount. The government made up the true cost with borrowed dollars that future taxpayers would have to repay. There was a big difference, Niskanen said, between a kid on an allowance and the federal government: The government has a credit card with no debt limit.
And there you have it. Like a drug addict, the country is going to end up in one of two scenarios: Dead in the gutter or, after bottoming out, in rehab.
You can vote whatever way you like but until everyone pays taxes and feels the actual pain of the runaway spending there is zero hope for recovery.
Be sure to click on both links.
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...This is very simple: We have a 2-party system, and barring some unforseen cataclysmic event, its going to stay that way...
I think what people are saying is that the re-election of Barack Hussein Obama IS that cataclysmic event. The two-party system has failed to uphold constitutional ideals, and fatally so.
Well, THAT I do agree with it. But let us not discount the sheer ignorance and stupidity of a HUGE segment of the populace. They are idiots, they vote for idiots, and that's what we get.
But I have a question for you guys: Were you this angry with the GOP when Reagan was president? Because Ronald Reagan - God love him and God rest his soul - grew government, cut deals with Tip O'Neil, and did slip in some slick tax increases after his big tax cuts. Government grew under Reagan. He was not a purist, but he did know that half a loaf is better than none.
At least with the GOP today, you get half a loaf. With the Democrats you get none. So you guys had better go vote in 2016 for your half of loaf or you will end up with a sh*t sandwich.
And in the meantime, work to change from within. As I said earlier, these things take time. The Tea Party has only been a force for 4 years. The GOP is 170 years old for Pete's sake. The kind of change we want will take longer than a couple of election cycles. IronDioPriest, you admitted that the Tea Party movement was successful in large measure moving the GOP to the Right. Thats just in four years. Give them 8 or 12 more. Don't throw in the towel so quickly.
I didn't like the illegals deal during Reagan or the tax increases, but some Oneill dealmaking becomes more palatible when the same guy grows the economy to record levels. Today, we are not making deals, we are bending over and grabbing our ankles.
I'm sure, if Romney was elected and grew the economy, i'd say the same thing, but he didn't get elected so the point of "making deals" is moot with me. This is not the time to make a deal, this is a time for the republican party to dig in thier collective heels. We are not getting half the loaf, we are not even getting the crumbs in the bottom of the toaster. Every democratic idea has destruction labeled all over it. They have no interest working with us.
So I've become a conservative first and a republican second. I want conservative candidates, conservative ideals and I don't want to settle for less. My hope is the tea party can continue to gain numbers...but with that all said, I simply have no tolerance with working with libs today.
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Re: Reagan's mistakes...
Did any of you see this? (http://minx.cc/?post=335016)
That was one of his mistakes. A big one.
The other one was this: (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/gorging-beast_663547.html?nopager=1)
The concept of starving the beast was older than the phrase. An earlier metaphor involved unruly children. In a 1980 presidential debate, Reagan scoffed at the idea that Congress would have to cut federal spending before it cut taxes.
“If you’ve got a kid that’s extravagant, you can lecture him all you want about his extravagance,” said Reagan. “Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same result much quicker.”
Milton Friedman liked the metaphor too.
“How can we ever cut government down to size?” he wrote. “I believe there is one and only one way: the way parents control spendthrift children, by cutting their allowance. For government this means cutting taxes. Resulting deficits will be . . . the only effective restraint on the spending propensities of the executive branch and the legislature.”
Niskanen’s explanation for the failure of STB was straightforward, a conjecture based on standard economics: When you cut the price of something, demand for it will increase. Lowering taxes without lowering benefits meant that taxpayers were getting the benefits at a discount. The government made up the true cost with borrowed dollars that future taxpayers would have to repay. There was a big difference, Niskanen said, between a kid on an allowance and the federal government: The government has a credit card with no debt limit.
And there you have it. Like a drug addict, the country is going to end up in one of two scenarios: Dead in the gutter or, after bottoming out, in rehab.
You can vote whatever way you like but until everyone pays taxes and feels the actual pain of the runaway spending there is zero hope for recovery.
Be sure to click on both links.
Read both, thanks, trap.
HW Bush was pushed on Reagan by the same E-GOP that hates the TEA Party, its candidates and everything about us, and misunderestimated Ronnie as well. Brewer is absolutely right about that being Reagan's worst mistake. And now the guy's grandson wants his turn stirring the pot, this time with an authentic "hispanic" flavoring.
As for increased taxes, you're on the money and so is the author of *that* piece; the gimme gartners don't pay Federal income taxes and until they do, they won't feel anything like a pinch until the EBT cards stop working.
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"This is not the time to make a deal, this is a time for the republican party to dig in thier collective heels."
That's the argument; the Pubby's aren't digging in their
heels, they are bending over and we don't believe there will be any relief.
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They should rename Ace of Spades to "Insufficiently Conservative" to more accurately describe the prevailing POV of their readership.
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Looking back to GOP transgressions of years past and comparing our reaction then to our reaction now is mental masturbation. The reality is that during the Reagan years, the Bush years, the Clinton years, or the Bush years, America was not faced with the reality of an existential crisis. In retrospect, the seeds were being sewn and cultivated all along, but the country as a whole was blissfully unaware.
I say this with all seriousness and with some shame: in my mind, threat to the existence of the United States of America was inconceivable to me until the past four years. The idea that the Democrat party was populated by people who literally hate this country never crossed my mind until about a year after 9/11/01.
My conservative ideals; my knowledge of conservative principles; my expectations of satisfactory politicians; my perception of the various crises; and my view on the endurance of the American spirit - all these things have been honed and shaped in me over the past decade.
I was raised being told that conservatives and liberals all want the same basic things, but have differing opinions as to how to arrive at that basic common vision for the country. I believed it to be a fundamental American trait - that we could differ and then settle those differences at the ballot box, which would obligate the citizenry to abide for at least two years until the next election.
I now see that that was never, ever true. It was a lie all along. But I, (like many others I suspect) believed it. So now my view is completely different than it was in the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush years. My expectations of the Republican party were that they would be shaken into remembering the constitution, and their role as defenders of it. My expectations were dashed, and I just have very little hope that there is another chance for them to get it right, or that they would get it right if they were given the chance.
The two-party system has failed the people. George Washington warned us of exactly this result. Party politics - particularly two-party politics - is an extra-constitutional add-on that was never accounted for in the founding documents. It is now apparent that the document has buckled under the two-party system.
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The two-party system has failed the people. George Washington warned us of exactly this result. Party politics - particularly two-party politics - is an extra-constitutional add-on that was never accounted for in the founding documents. It is now apparent that the document has buckled under the two-party system.
Madison. Federalist 10. On the Benefits of Factions. (http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm)
By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.
There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.
There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.
It could never be more truly said than of the first remedy, that it was worse than the disease. Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires. But it could not be less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency.
Sadly that is exactly what the Liberals wish to do - eliminate factions by eliminating liberty.
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(Re)Read the whole thing. You know the liberals never did.
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Looking back to GOP transgressions of years past and comparing our reaction then to our reaction now is mental masturbation. The reality is that during the Reagan years, the Bush years, the Clinton years, or the Bush years, America was not faced with the reality of an existential crisis. In retrospect, the seeds were being sewn and cultivated all along, but the country as a whole was blissfully unaware.
I say this with all seriousness and with some shame: in my mind, threat to the existence of the United States of America was inconceivable to me until the past four years. The idea that the Democrat party was populated by people who literally hate this country never crossed my mind until about a year after 9/11/01.
My conservative ideals; my knowledge of conservative principles; my expectations of satisfactory politicians; my perception of the various crises; and my view on the endurance of the American spirit - all these things have been honed and shaped in me over the past decade.
I was raised being told that conservatives and liberals all want the same basic things, but have differing opinions as to how to arrive at that basic common vision for the country. I believed it to be a fundamental American trait - that we could differ and then settle those differences at the ballot box, which would obligate the citizenry to abide for at least two years until the next election.
I now see that that was never, ever true. It was a lie all along. But I, (like many others I suspect) believed it. So now my view is completely different than it was in the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush years. My expectations of the Republican party were that they would be shaken into remembering the constitution, and their role as defenders of it. My expectations were dashed, and I just have very little hope that there is another chance for them to get it right, or that they would get it right if they were given the chance.
The two-party system has failed the people. George Washington warned us of exactly this result. Party politics - particularly two-party politics - is an extra-constitutional add-on that was never accounted for in the founding documents. It is now apparent that the document has buckled under the two-party system.
Put this at RS and let them choke on it.
I got my recommend button cocked and ready.
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They should rename Ace of Spades to "Insufficiently Conservative" to more accurately describe the prevailing POV of their readership.
Please elaborate.
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They should rename Ace of Spades to "Insufficiently Conservative" to more accurately describe the prevailing POV of their readership.
Please elaborate.
Even St. Ronald seems to be greeted with rolling eyes and knowing sideways glances from those guys. No one seems to be able to pass the Conservative partisan purity challenge. I recognize that there were/are shortcomings with everyone, including Reagan but jeebus man, can't they find anything positive about any of them?!
I would remind them that nothing much happens in a vacuum - that there must, by necessity, be some give and take.
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The two-party system has failed the people. George Washington warned us of exactly this result. Party politics - particularly two-party politics - is an extra-constitutional add-on that was never accounted for in the founding documents. It is now apparent that the document has buckled under the two-party system.
Madison. Federalist 10. On the Benefits of Factions. (http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm)
By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.
There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.
There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.
It could never be more truly said than of the first remedy, that it was worse than the disease. Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires. But it could not be less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency.
Sadly that is exactly what the Liberals wish to do - eliminate factions by eliminating liberty.
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(Re)Read the whole thing. You know the liberals never did.
The Founders were almost universally agreed in what would bring down America aka Liberty!
I can easily give dozens of quotes, let's just start with the most germane -
We are in the era of mob rule and governance dictated by the passions of the mob! The mob wants free stuff, once given the drug it will not be removed easily!
"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few."
-- John Adams (An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, 29 August 1763) Reference: Original Intent, Barton (338); original The Papers of John Adams, Taylor, ed., vol. 1 (83)
And it is the selfish passion not the selfless passion that governs our masters now!
"Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics. There must be a positive passion for the public good, the public interest, honour, power and glory, established in the minds of the people, or there can be no republican government, nor any real liberty: and this public passion must be superiour to all private passions." -- John Adams (letter to Mercy Warren, 16 April 1776) Reference: The Spirit of `Seventy-Six, Commager and Morris (109); original Warren-Adams Letters, vol. 1 (221-222)
There is no virtue, virtues as we and our Founders knew them are mocked, ridiculed and paid lip service to! And the Fourth Estate (the Press) is complicit in denying to the American people the true character of their rulers!
"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right, from the frame of their nature, to knowledge, as their great Creator, who does nothing in vain, has given them understandings, and a desire to know; but besides this, they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge; I mean, of the characters and conduct of their rulers." -- John Adams (Dissertation on Canon and Feudal Law, 1765) Reference: Our Sacred Honor, Bennett, 253.
Our rulers pass laws for us and exempt themselves!
"[W]here there is no law, there is no liberty; and nothing deserves the name of law but that which is certain and universal in its operation upon all the members of the community." --Benjamin Rush, letter to David Ramsay, circa April 1788
Our rulers have seized authority and use force to bend us to their will in violation of The Law, we are subject to the Law of Fallible Men, not the unfallible Law of Liberty and Liberty's author!
"The instrument by which [government] must act are either the AUTHORITY of the laws or FORCE. If the first be destroyed, the last must be substituted; and where this becomes the ordinary instrument of government there is an end to liberty! "--Alexander Hamilton, Tully, No. 3, 1794
We are fast approaching the end game, the enemies of liberty can only increase their force upon us and therefore remove the nation further and further from Founding Principles and our rights endowed by our Creator!
“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” --Richard Henry Lee
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry (speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 5 June 1778) Reference: The Debates of the Several State..., Elliot, vol. 3 (45)
And we must bid farewell to those out to destroy us and our liberty.
“If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands, which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” –Samuel Adams
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin
The time of choosing approaches, it is a simple pass/fail test.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." --Thomas Jefferson
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Very articulate and well-matched compilation, Libertas.
Concur.
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Looking back to GOP transgressions of years past and comparing our reaction then to our reaction now is mental masturbation. The reality is that during the Reagan years, the Bush years, the Clinton years, or the Bush years, America was not faced with the reality of an existential crisis.
I disagree with that last president. Bush '43 most certainly faced an existential threat, one that we face today and have faced for over 1400 years: islam. People as a rule have a long term memory problem and seem to have forgotten how severe 9/11 was in its impact, both short and long term. With King Putt, we've simply thrown an existential deficit crisis on top of the military-political threat from islam. Now we have an administration that is openly embracing the jihad. How else to describe the administration's love for the muslim brotherhood's Arab Spring? An Arab Spring in Egypt, no less, as if Egypt is populated by Arabs. More language bastardization by the PTB. It was an Islamic Jihadi Spring and my f*cking government supports it. That's two. Wait for the third, a nuclear Iran lobbing missiles like there's no 12th Imam. That's three and that should do it. If Iran nuked Sowdi Arabia, who would Barry support? Or would he vote his typical Present! while hitting the links in the morning?
I say this with all seriousness and with some shame: in my mind, threat to the existence of the United States of America was inconceivable to me until the past four years. The idea that the Democrat party was populated by people who literally hate this country never crossed my mind until about a year after 9/11/01.
9/11 was what woke me up. Bush went to Congress for approval to move into Iraq and got it, then had those very same Dems who voted for it try to weasel out of their vote by saying they were lied to, etc. Then they became anklebiters to Bush's policies, putting every 'evil' on him. Just look at the friggin' differences between Bush's Katrina 'failure' and the Jug Eared F*ck's handling of Sandy. Abu Ghraib was the last straw. Getting all riled up over prisoners with panties on their heads? Seriously? That's a national disgrace and scandal worthy of front page coverage for friggin' months? Yet Benghazi, with a dead US Ambassador, doesn't rate even a small byline? We have a media fully complicit with the DNC talking points and a populace who could not care less.
I was raised being told that conservatives and liberals all want the same basic things, but have differing opinions as to how to arrive at that basic common vision for the country. I believed it to be a fundamental American trait - that we could differ and then settle those differences at the ballot box, which would obligate the citizenry to abide for at least two years until the next election.
I now see that that was never, ever true. It was a lie all along. But I, (like many others I suspect) believed it.
It was true at one point, but not now. Progressives, which is a nice word for communists, have been allowed to not-so-much push their ideology but to not have their ideology questioned. The TEA Partiers with their diametrically opposed views were ridiculed.
Bill Clinton was bad enough for the Dem Party, but they declined even further with Al Gore as their standard bearer. After the 2000 loss, he became transformed and now is the new face of Democrat Party corruption. And let's not forget John Effin' Kerry, a senator who lied about his service and awards yet insulted and denigrated his comrades in arms in his Winter Soldier testimony. Somehow, the Dems just love them that kind of war 'hero' -- the kind with their own wing in the Hanoi Museum of the Vietnam War. (I read that somewhere when the Swifties were skewering his military competence.)
But now the communists have thoroughly taken over the Donkey Party, quite easily and willingly I'll add. Trying to get that message out is a conspiracy theory joke ridiculed by talking airheads and RINOs alike. I maintained during the 2008 election that McCain could not wrap his mind around the fact that his opponent was of the very same ideology as those who tortured him all those years before. No one would or could make the connection. Mustn't offend the affirmative action half white half black guy by pointing out so obvious a reality. Once I saw discussion of Barry's communist ideology laughed off, I knew that was it; hell, even calling Barry a socialist was ridiculed. Then Beck called Barry a racist on his FOX show and the howls of 'you can't say that!' arose with colorful hues and vociferous cries across the land. Yet here we are, with Barry now proposing to discriminate against Whites and Asians because he can -- and can get away with it. We have no Rule of Law. We have no standard of decency for public service. We have no controls over our new political ancien regime (a contradiction if there ever was one), complete with our own 'let them eat cake' mentality: Barry thinking AF1 is a 'spiffy ride' or Pelousy flying courtesy of the US Air Force and drinking courtesy of us. Politicians should be made to release their tax returns each and every year they are in office or run for office. We've let the no so little things slide. Look at Sandy Burglar. What he did, you or I would be in Federal prison with no questions asked. But Sandy? Not even a bloody slap on the wrist. Their is no integrity in politics and certainly no minimally objective standards to which anyone is held. Except conservatives, of course.
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Here is another example of what can be expected by "working within the GOP":
Conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh hit back hard Monday against Republican critics who say his commentary hurt GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s failed presidential run.
GOP strategist Mike Murphy said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the primaries were “driving the Republican brand right now to disaster” and that Republicans needed to acquire a view of the country “that’s not right out of Rush Limbaugh’s dream journal.”
Limbaugh’s response: “What, folks, did I or any of you have to do with the Republican primary? Did not Murphy get the candidate he wanted? All these consultants, do you realize they get rich no matter who wins or loses? Little-known secret. They get rich no matter who wins or loses,” Limbaugh said on his radio show, according to a show transcript.
“But [in] the Republican primary, as far as he’s concerned, there were too many conservatives in it saying too many stupid things,” Limbaugh added. “We need to get rid of conservatism, is what is he’s saying.”
Next up was GOP strategist Steve Schmidt, who last week at a University of Delaware panel discussion said that Limbaugh’s “white, 65 plus and rural” audience is “not what the country looks like anymore” and that Limbaugh was driving a message of “total ludicrous nonsense.”
Read more: http://joemiller.us/2012/11/rush-limbaugh-takes-on-gop-critics/#ixzz2CmYXWaGL (http://joemiller.us/2012/11/rush-limbaugh-takes-on-gop-critics/#ixzz2CmYXWaGL)
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Yeah, the moderate big government democrats who call themselves republicans are calling the shots and dishing out the blame on those who have had it with moderate big government democrats who call themselves republicans!
Shocking!
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The GOP really needs to be killed off, the exodus started this recent election and it will really pick up steam now!
Fvck 'em! They can rot in Hell with the dem's!
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Oh yeah, they're done. This party is history. And long overdue. They keep talking about this or that thing not being "what the country is like anymore" -- yeah, and why is that? Maybe because this timid party never did anything to prevent its own obsolescence?
Everything they are complaining about now reveals that their mindset is all about party. It's just about seeing an R next to a name. They're basically saying "you have to forget about all that hokey crap you believe in and just let us become indistinguishable from the Democrats. Then we'll win!"
The history of America's decline, if it is ever recorded, will conclude that the Republican Party failed in its most fundamental task: being the opposition. At this point working with them would only lend some measure of approval to their results, and that is something I cannot be a part of. Done with 'em.
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But I have a question for you guys: Were you this angry with the GOP when Reagan was president? Because Ronald Reagan - God love him and God rest his soul - grew government, cut deals with Tip O'Neil, and did slip in some slick tax increases after his big tax cuts. Government grew under Reagan. He was not a purist, but he did know that half a loaf is better than none.
No. I knew demographics experts said we have 30 years or so to fix everything, despite the temporary fix of a SS tax increase. We did manage do quite well, and mask future problems with the IT boom of the 90's. Thanks to George Bush introducing us to $400 billion and up deficits, and Obama institutionalizing $1,000,000,000,000 deficits, the time for eating that s**t sandwich is over.
I will no longer vote for anyone who won't take that number down. I'll start with my own rep, Paulsen. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's never shown any leadership towards salvaging a future for America.
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...Thanks to George Bush introducing us to $400 billion and up deficits, and Obama institutionalizing $1,000,000,000,000 deficits, the time for eating that s**t sandwich is over.
I will no longer vote for anyone who won't take that number down. I'll start with my own rep, Paulsen. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's never shown any leadership towards salvaging a future for America.
And those who have, like my rep Bachmann, or someone like Ron Paul, are considered among the GOP ruling class to be the extreme fringe.
Not my party.
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Ditto
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I can't help but think that we're in the same boat as the UK with their parties. They're all the same --they are reduced to arguing degrees of pain to inflict on the populace.
I remember as a kid back in the 70's going with my mom to meetings. I'd hear people talk about the cultural changes, if we got abortion euthanasia was next, one world government, etc and those suggestions were knocked as loony.
I heard that something like 3 million GOPers didn't vote. I wonder if those aren't people who see culture as the number one problem not just politics. Even the economy wasn't going to move them to a different view.
I heard a DJ turned talk show host saying one day in response to a caller's views on current music that his grandparents thought Elvis was shocking and leading us down to trouble. I looked at my adult daughter and said "Maybe his grandparents were right."
There are too many people in this country infected with the niceness virus. They judge everything by whether it's nice or not. Censoring gay literature isn't nice. Using a plastic bag isn't nice. Etc.
Too many people are post-Christian, post-American in this country who think they are Christian and American. BUT they think their actions occur in a vaccum. Never accepting that their actions combined with all the others impacts society. No one wants their ox gored.
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...Thanks to George Bush introducing us to $400 billion and up deficits, and Obama institutionalizing $1,000,000,000,000 deficits, the time for eating that s**t sandwich is over.
I will no longer vote for anyone who won't take that number down. I'll start with my own rep, Paulsen. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's never shown any leadership towards salvaging a future for America.
And those who have, like my rep Bachmann, or someone like Ron Paul, are considered among the GOP ruling class to be the extreme fringe.
Not my party.
Exactly. And look at Alan West. I wasn't happy with everything he said and voted for while he held his seat, but the man FIGHTS. And so ....... he had to go. The E-GOP saw to it.
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I will urge someone like Palin, Paul, or someone who has a chance to irreparably damage the GOP's chance to win in 2016 to run 3rd party. That is, IF we are fortunate enough to have an election in 2016.
I'd love to see Hillary Clinton get 48% of the vote, Pubbie Milquetoast get 25%, and Ron Paul or Sarah Palin get 27%. Put the GOP in its grave once and for all, or at the very least, force a conservative realignment. But truly, I think such wishing is academic. 2012 rendered elections all but meaningless.
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Well, Ron is still fringe to me. Rand sends a thrill down my leg, though.
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I can't help but think that we're in the same boat as the UK with their parties. They're all the same --they are reduced to arguing degrees of pain to inflict on the populace.
I remember as a kid back in the 70's going with my mom to meetings. I'd hear people talk about the cultural changes, if we got abortion euthanasia was next, one world government, etc and those suggestions were knocked as loony.
I heard that something like 3 million GOPers didn't vote. I wonder if those aren't people who see culture as the number one problem not just politics. Even the economy wasn't going to move them to a different view.
I heard a DJ turned talk show host saying one day in response to a caller's views on current music that his grandparents thought Elvis was shocking and leading us down to trouble. I looked at my adult daughter and said "Maybe his grandparents were right."
There are too many people in this country infected with the niceness virus. They judge everything by whether it's nice or not. Censoring gay literature isn't nice. Using a plastic bag isn't nice. Etc.
Too many people are post-Christian, post-American in this country who think they are Christian and American. BUT they think their actions occur in a vaccum. Never accepting that their actions combined with all the others impacts society. No one wants their ox gored.
I hear every bit of what you're saying LV. The "niceness" comment struck me particularly. My eldest brother was one mean, screwed up SOB. A junkie, a petty crook, and a dope dealer. It used to crack me up when I would overhear him on the telephone using a condescending and panderingly phony voice. I once asked him about it and he smirked at me and something about "catching more MF'rs with honey than with vinegar". I laughed at him and told him that he may have thought that he was fooling someone but in truth he was only fooling himself.
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A third party?
I'd vote with it if it was a nationally known figure.
I think Palin could do it now. I don't see anyone else.
But a known person isn't enough. See: Romney.
We would need a grassroots campaign like the BO one. I don't know that our side has the energy and drive to do that.
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...and a lot of money.
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The story of the GOP can be read by looking at what the two parties consider "compromise".
For the GOP, compromise means "marginalize the conservatives and cave in on the things they care about. Bunch of anachronistic throwbacks anyway."
For the Democrats, compromise means "and for our part, we agree to not demand this or that. Yet."
In my view, that is the essence of the problem with this party. The Republicans give up real things that were already an established part of the culture, whereas Democrats "give up" hypothetical things (and only for a while).
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The story of the GOP can be read by looking at what the two parties consider "compromise".
For the GOP, compromise means "marginalize the conservatives and cave in on the things they care about. Bunch of anachronistic throwbacks anyway."
For the Democrats, compromise means "and for our part, we agree to not demand this or that. Yet."
In my view, that is the essence of the problem with this party. The Republicans give up real things that were already an established part of the culture, whereas Democrats "give up" hypothetical things (and only for a while).
Oh, and they lie like demons...been doing that a long, long time! And treating these morons like they have any honor when they have ZERO? Well, that once again shows are fricken clueless the E-GOP is!
Terminal ignorance!
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Although I like some things about Palin, she is not the answer.
Look at some of her endorsements.
Besides, I see her as a Republican
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Yeah, the moderate big government democrats who call themselves republicans are calling the shots and dishing out the blame on those who have had it with moderate big government democrats who call themselves republicans!
Shocking!
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The GOP really needs to be killed off, the exodus started this recent election and it will really pick up steam now!
Fvck 'em! They can rot in Hell with the dem's!
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It seems to me that both parties have pissed off a hell of a lot of people in the last years,enter the independents as a protest to both ides.
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The story of the GOP can be read by looking at what the two parties consider "compromise".
For the GOP, compromise means "marginalize the conservatives and cave in on the things they care about. Bunch of anachronistic throwbacks anyway.".........
...., and that is what the Tea Party will eventually cleanse from the GOP, IF we are patient and do not throw out the baby with the bathwater
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I appreciate your optimism, CC.
However, the TP is too fractured and disjointed.
It is as unstructured as the GOP, in general
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Although I like some things about Palin, she is not the answer.
Look at some of her endorsements.
Besides, I see her as a Republican
I won't argue that, I just think it was a missed opportunity. I would argue many of the people that comprise the Tea Party that had such a great effect in 2010 did not sit out 2012 or vote for Paul or Johnson as some suspect, there is data showing at the state level that many republicans did well in local elections, bucking the Obama trend. The dirty little secret of the Obama win is the utter lack of coattails for dem's...they did not pick up massive gains in either congressional chamber at the national level. It looks to me many in the Tea Party opted out of the POTUS race because they saw no difference between the two as it was a choice between big government republicanism or big government liberalism. The debate we had among ourselves here at IAL seems to reflect the same battle in the Tea Party at large - so we vote for Romney and buy some time or do we say screw it? So it looks to me that the Tea Party people voted locally and said to Hell with the national government. All I was trying to convey with the Palin comment was that I think if an outsider like her had seized the opportunity I think a lot of Tea Party people would have flocked to her banner. Enough to win a national election? Not as an independent candidate (although that would have sent the shot across the GOP's bow and sent those E-GOPers to soiling their pants...can't discount that guilty pleasure would be fun to witness!) but perhaps running for the GOP nomination as an outsider would have secured the nomination and offered the nation and better choice. Just an opportunity lost is all. This was our last shot at redemption, I think the economic situation is going to accelerate negatively and make all this political speculating moot anyway.
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I think Palin had a lot to offer. She could energize.
There's nobody right now that I see in the Rs that could do anything.
Santorum will have the next turn.
Up front, I won't vote for him.
I could get behind Rand Paul.
He has some of his father's good points without the whackiness.
Of course, he is attacked by the Paulbots as not being Paul enough and supporting Romney
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The GOP does not want to win.
Everytime someone who has strong potential to be a great leader, the GOP establishment joins with the democrats to whack them down.
Sarah Palin was that type pf person. She has the credentials as a conservative and executive experience, unlike all these senators and reps that think their 'sh1t' don't stink. :) Not only that, Sarah has the chrisma magnetism to draw people to her. She is a natural born leader, and the GOP are nothing but MOrons for whacking her down. The GOP gets what they deserve!
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Levin had a segment on his show yesterday where he read from an article about how Boehner all of a sudden is a fire breathing dragon when it comes to internal party politics, his chief MO being to keep conservatives away from levers of power. It's pretty much exactly what we've all suspected.
This man would not even be Speaker if not for the Tea Party wave of 2010, creating an historic shift of balance in the House. And this is our reward, open hostility and disdain from the very people we empowered.
Nope. No more. They made their bed, now let them die in it.*
* © Libertas
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Levin had a segment on his show yesterday where he read from an article about how Boehner all of a sudden is a fire breathing dragon when it comes to internal party politics, his chief MO being to keep conservatives away from levers of power. It's pretty much exactly what we've all suspected.
This man would not even be Speaker if not for the Tea Party wave of 2010, creating an historic shift of balance in the House. And this is our reward, open hostility and disdain from the very people we empowered.
Nope. No more. They made their bed, now let them die in it.*
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Levin had a segment on his show yesterday where he read from an article about how Boehner all of a sudden is a fire breathing dragon when it comes to internal party politics, his chief MO being to keep conservatives away from levers of power. It's pretty much exactly what we've all suspected.
This man would not even be Speaker if not for the Tea Party wave of 2010, creating an historic shift of balance in the House. And this is our reward, open hostility and disdain from the very people we empowered.
Nope. No more. They made their bed, now let them die in it.*
* © Libertas
Heh! Check out my new signature! ::thumbsup::
I like the tone,and the sentiment isn't too bad either.
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The problem with the GOP today is we have too many apologists. As a party, the conservatives and moderates, at times, are not that far apart but at the first sign of an issue, we apologize, we question ourselves. We lose the narrative. We make fun of obama and his apology tour and turn right around, lose an election and what happens? The Jindhals, the rinos begin to apologize, begin to talk about changing our identity. Ask whats wrong.....
If a dem loses an election. I don't see thier party questioning thier ideals. When libs lost about every election there was a couple years ago, did they question thier platform? Their beliefs? Did they search for changing their ways? No.....If anything, they went further left....But no way our party would choose to go further right. No, we must capitulate, move to the middle....
We are such wussies.
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I'm impressed with the power of the GOP/PTB internal organization, when they can take Sarah Palin and virtually
neutralize her and also, on election night, take Karl
Rove into the back room then bring him out mute after commercial when, if nothing else he is the architect of numbers, all of Cayuga county was called for Ø that's some power.
It is not possible to elect enough good men to overcome the GOP/PTB network.
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I'm impressed with the power of the GOP/PTB internal organization, when they can take Sarah Palin and virtually
neutralize her and also, on election night, take Karl
Rove into the back room then bring him out mute after commercial when, if nothing else he is the architect of numbers, all of Cayuga county was called for Ø that's some power.
It is not possible to elect enough good men to overcome the GOP/PTB network.
Until we vote some out......gotta find a way. Too bad their energies can't be focused on conservative issues.
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The problem with the GOP today is we have too many apologists. As a party, the conservatives and moderates, at times, are not that far apart but at the first sign of an issue, we apologize, we question ourselves. We lose the narrative. We make fun of obama and his apology tour and turn right around, lose an election and what happens? The Jindhals, the rinos begin to apologize, begin to talk about changing our identity. Ask whats wrong.....
If a dem loses an election. I don't see thier party questioning thier ideals. When libs lost about every election there was a couple years ago, did they question thier platform? Their beliefs? Did they search for changing their ways? No.....If anything, they went further left....But no way our party would choose to go further right. No, we must capitulate, move to the middle....
We are such wussies.
Definitely. Too many apologists. And they're far too quick to criticize our own, out of some misplaced desire to come across as being so reasonable. They're eager to prove that we're not like the Democrats, we don't automatically circle the wagons just because we have the same letter after our names. But what they don't see is that there is no payoff for this conspicuous reasonableness. On the contrary, it merely adds fuel to the Democrats' attack machine.
Case in point, look how many are coming out of the woodwork to point and laugh at Rubio's comment about 6,000 years of recorded history. First, it was a completely non-ridiculous thing for him to say. Earliest recorded history goes back to Mesopotamia, approximately 6,000 years ago. Before that is what we call "pre-history" you know. He wasn't even talking about the geologic age of the planet. But no, we have to hear from every has-been and never-will-be in the GOP about how it was a dumb comment. This of course just makes the Democrat-Media Complex giddy with delight.
Among its many faults, the GOP simply has no damn street smarts whatsoever. No political instincts at all. They're just constantly stepping on their own dicks. Pardon my French.
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The problem with the GOP today is we have too many apologists. As a party, the conservatives and moderates, at times, are not that far apart but at the first sign of an issue, we apologize, we question ourselves. We lose the narrative. We make fun of obama and his apology tour and turn right around, lose an election and what happens? The Jindhals, the rinos begin to apologize, begin to talk about changing our identity. Ask whats wrong.....
If a dem loses an election. I don't see thier party questioning thier ideals. When libs lost about every election there was a couple years ago, did they question thier platform? Their beliefs? Did they search for changing their ways? No.....If anything, they went further left....But no way our party would choose to go further right. No, we must capitulate, move to the middle....
We are such wussies.
Definitely. Too many apologists. And they're far too quick to criticize our own, out of some misplaced desire to come across as being so reasonable. They're eager to prove that we're not like the Democrats, we don't automatically circle the wagons just because we have the same letter after our names. But what they don't see is that there is no payoff for this conspicuous reasonableness. On the contrary, it merely adds fuel to the Democrats' attack machine.
Case in point, look how many are coming out of the woodwork to point and laugh at Rubio's comment about 6,000 years of recorded history. First, it was a completely non-ridiculous thing for him to say. Earliest recorded history goes back to Mesopotamia, approximately 6,000 years ago. Before that is what we call "pre-history" you know. He wasn't even talking about the geologic age of the planet. But no, we have to hear from every has-been and never-will-be in the GOP about how it was a dumb comment. This of course just makes the Democrat-Media Complex giddy with delight.
Among its many faults, the GOP simply has no damn street smarts whatsoever. No political instincts at all. They're just constantly stepping on their own dicks. Pardon my French.
Well stated. Their side can have a president who believes we have 57 states...our side? Don't misspell or misspeak potato.
We are not street savvy and I wonder if it is on purpose.
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It's cowardice to act like a real opposition party and their antipathy towards conservatives and religion and morals is clear...the GOP is filled with dead souls and dead souls should be shunned and allowed to sink to the depths of Hell. All we have to do is stay out of their way and let nature take its course.
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Man, you people just don't get it
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Somebody doesn't get it
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Yeah we don't. Won't be getting more of the same, that much is for damn sure.
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Man, you people just don't get it
I was sorta hoping that you would expand on your comment CC because I'll admit that -yea- I don't get it.
I've been campaigning on behalf of and voting for Republican candidates and supporting the party for a lot of years. I've never knowingly voted for a dhimmicrat. There's probably a picture of me somewhere in the GOP archives titled "Reliable voter". As much as this little fish could influence the party in the right direction I've always tried. And realistically I haven't asked for much. No special favors. No kick-backs. Just competent leadership and support of conservative principles (Yea - I know that "republican" and "Conservative" aren't necessarily synonymous).
And mind you I've done all of that while the GOP has delivered up some of the most lackluster candidates imaginable. No matter. Like the grunt I am I grumbled a bit and pulled the lever anyway. As a result we have drifted further and further from our core principles over the last number of years. McCain? Romney?! How were these guys supposed to lead us in the right direction? I'll admit that Romney is probably a competent administrator but he is also a political will-o'-the-wisp. McCain? He is/was a political hack who acts like a punch-drunk fighter that received the proverbial one too many.
No matter - I supported them anyway. And lost.
It is my firm belief that the GOP is resigned to losing, from now until they find their spine...or sweet oblivion. And becoming dhimmicrat-lite isn't the cure. Why vote for a pale imitation when you can get the "real" thing?
So please. Please tell me what I have wrong. Am I wrong to complain about continuing to support a dead party? Am I wrong when I observe that feckless begets feckless?
The Whig Party was a major force in early America. It campaigned and elected presidents Harrison and Taylor. It had the dubious distinction of representing Fillmore (until they kicked him out). But even as substantial as it was, history and circumstance overtook it and it was, as they say, relegated to the dustbin of history.
When a party becomes non-responsive to the wishes of its constituency it puts its own viability at risk. When it stops winning elections the people will abandon it. If it can't adapt to changing circumstances it will die.
I can't help but notice the GOP death-rattle.
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Man, you people just don't get it
Nope,you don't get it!! We've been there for them for damned ever and all we get is counted as being there like it or not were the base and I'm tired of being there for them so they can do what they will with me. Now I want what I want or they can KMA. I to my shame voted McCain because I'm a good boy and wouldn't think of staying home for the sake of the party even when the party has forsaken me.
No more money and no vote till I get catered to and my wishes are made a central part of the repub format.
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Man, you people just don't get it
Nope,you don't get it!! We've been there for them for damned ever and all we get is counted as being there like it or not were the base and I'm tired of being there for them so they can do what they will with me. Now I want what I want or they can KMA. I to my shame voted McCain because I'm a good boy and wouldn't think of staying home for the sake of the party even when the party has forsaken me.
No more money and no vote till I get catered to and my wishes are made a central part of the repub format.
JF has stated it clear as crystal. They've been catering to this group and that for a few decades now while telling us to go f$^& ourselves paying only lip service to a few simple requirements which are shrinking the government and fiscal responsibility both of which have been mentioned until they get that power back then nothing meaning a change in velocity toward the cliff but no change in direction.
A new party is what's needed. A party that can do more than just pay lip service to core principles of conservatism. I keep reading comments from those that are fiscal conservatives but could care less about social issues all espousing the sentiment that we must align ourselves to their cause. Bullshyt, if they want a fiscal responsibility than they should be aligning themselves with us and put their beliefs of social moderation in their perspective asses. They're the ones that lose sight of the Founder's reasons for separation to begin with. They always seem to gravitate towards the Rats socially but come crying the blues when they are shoved aside in favor of Marxism for economic policies. You guys, Reagan Democrats have lost your party to the Marxists because you wanted that "big tent" and all that goes with it. We on the other hand understand why social economics go hand in hand with fiscal policy and have stated it time and again using logic and history as proof of that.
The moral of the story is the counter culture has wrecked the country ripping nature's creator God from the fabric of America. Life and liberty are rights that even a pre-born baby must be recognized as to having or the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble of the Constitution means nothing.
If the liberals in the GOPe want nothing other than demonRat lite that they can steer the ship along side of theirs but don't be disappointed when they never win elections. As far as I'm concerned they can wither and die with the country that has in every sense of the phrase, "left us".
This country isn't in danger of falling off the proverbial cliff because it's already plummeting to her death thanks to the elites worrying more about inclusiveness rather than constitutional government.
Don't look for parachutes to save you from the sudden impact with the ground as there isn't any. unlike Wile Coyote, second chances you don't get. CYA
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Man, you people just don't get it
O rly. Want to tell us what we "don't get" .... again?
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More brave, principled Pubbie's at play...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/27/gop-lawmakers-float-immigration-reform-plan/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/27/gop-lawmakers-float-immigration-reform-plan/)
Choke on it!
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Red State's should unite and quit sending them money, that would cut to the chase.
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Red State's should unite and quit sending them money, that would cut to the chase.
Heard today a conservative financial magazine created a list of states to avoid when investing. Maybe the only real power left is to vote with our pocketbook and our choice of states in which we live.
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The full list of “death spiral” states includes NM, MS, CA, AL, ME, NY, SC, KY, IL, HI and OH, in order of taker to maker ratio. Ohio may not be as swingy in the future as it has been in the past.
They give no mention why SC has bad ratio, I speculate it's more the high ratio of military retirees than poor business atmosphere.
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SC also has a substantial "black belt", championed by one Rep. Clyburn. It's probably the explanation for MS and AL as well.
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I'd never heard of the "black belt" till the other day I viewed a most interesting article and now I can't find it here or at AoS or Bing or Goolge.
Anyway, it took the black belt back to its origin which was a time before the seas receded, there were map illustrations, and how that period influenced the richness of the soil which is where, the historical shoreline?, the agrarian South was most productive.
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Like a moth to a flame.
They say Romney received three million less votes than McCain. May they take comfort knowing they have achieved for the next election three million and one less votes.
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Red State's should unite and quit sending them money, that would cut to the chase.
Heard today a conservative financial magazine created a list of states to avoid when investing. Maybe the only real power left is to vote with our pocketbook and our choice of states in which we live.
Then people better head for the thickest part...limbs could get severed.
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FYI - Looks lke business as usual for the GOP, what a shock...
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83888.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83888.html)
I would like to see Bachmann light the chamber on fire, but, whatever...
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I was always a believer in the take it back from the inside plan.
Then I remembered that there were a ton of rule changes that effectively locked out any possibility of a grassroots movement and ensuring only top down selection of a candidate.
Screw 'em
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The sooner people realize they are already slaves the sooner the rebellion can start. Of course, you can shove a face into the steaming pile of reality and still many will not get it...just need to wake up enough of the non-brain-dead...then we can party.
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The sooner people realize they are already slaves the sooner the rebellion can start. Of course, you can shove a face into the steaming pile of reality and still many will not get it...just need to wake up enough of the non-brain-dead...then we can party.
47% of the people PREFER to be slaves. You can't wake up the living dead......You can only purge a few.
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Speaking of the living dead...only a zombie could meet the guy that nailed him and think nothing about it...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-and-obama-to-meet-privately-on-thursday/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-and-obama-to-meet-privately-on-thursday/)
I'd have sent a large human-sized jar and...
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Wasn't there a plot twist in The Matrix where one of the people who knew everything was fake nevertheless tried to sabotage the efforts of the good guys, because he was comfortable in the manufactured reality and didn't want them pulling aside the proverbial curtain? I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but seem to remember something like that from it. It describes an awful lot of people today. People who should, and in fact do, know better. But they prefer the familiarity, stability, and comfort of unreality and servitude. It's kind of like a domesticated animal. When it has been finally broken of its animal nature, it will voluntarily return to its cage because it knows things no other way.
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Speaking of the living dead...only a zombie could meet the guy that nailed him and think nothing about it...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-and-obama-to-meet-privately-on-thursday/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-and-obama-to-meet-privately-on-thursday/)
I'd have sent a large human-sized jar and...
I'm picturing Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown to kick.....
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Didn't Eisenhower refuse to meet with Truman?
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Didn't Eisenhower refuse to meet with Truman?
That was probably more Truman than Ike, the former hating the latter for rebuffing his entreaties to run as a Dem. I don't think Truman did squat in the transition...
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Wasn't there a plot twist in The Matrix where one of the people who knew everything was fake nevertheless tried to sabotage the efforts of the good guys, because he was comfortable in the manufactured reality and didn't want them pulling aside the proverbial curtain? I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but seem to remember something like that from it. It describes an awful lot of people today. People who should, and in fact do, know better. But they prefer the familiarity, stability, and comfort of unreality and servitude. It's kind of like a domesticated animal. When it has been finally broken of its animal nature, it will voluntarily return to its cage because it knows things no other way.
Cypher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix).
"Ignorance is bliss", he said. Quite ironic, considering the reward for his betrayal was to be returned, rich, to the Matrix, which "Agent Smith" knew was impossible.
Same goes for the cyphers today who prefer their cages.
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Speaking of the living dead...only a zombie could meet the guy that nailed him and think nothing about it...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-and-obama-to-meet-privately-on-thursday/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-and-obama-to-meet-privately-on-thursday/)
I'd have sent a large human-sized jar and...
What in thee hell has Romney agreed to this for? Obongo's going to rub his nose in his loss.
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Speaking of the living dead...only a zombie could meet the guy that nailed him and think nothing about it...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-and-obama-to-meet-privately-on-thursday/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-and-obama-to-meet-privately-on-thursday/)
I'd have sent a large human-sized jar and...
What in thee hell has Romney agreed to this for? Obongo's going to rub his nose in his loss.
Romneys ideas sucked for two years now he wants to hear them??Isn't he admitting that Romney did have the answers? This isn't like Obongo to admit that somebody else s ideas are better.All this is is a photo op.
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Maybe O wants to do another "I won." statement with his adoring reporters present.
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Pubby's are being assimilated.
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They still think the playing field is level and the rules are fairly applied to one and all...they are naive, they are weak, they are compliant, they are cowards...they are dead to me.
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Unless Romney and Ryan are there to tell him they will work nite and day to stop him ( or give him a good cussing), I see no reason to speak to the unreasonable.
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Just got off the phone with someone who called telling me we didn't win the election but we protected our conservative majority in the House.
I stopped her and said no we didn't!
We protected a Republican majority in the House. They aren't the same thing.
You're talking to the wrong guy
Imagine.
She hung up on me
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Just got off the phone with someone who called telling me we didn't win the election but we protected our conservative majority in the House.
I stopped her and said no we didn't!
We protected a Republican majority in the House. They aren't the same thing.
You're talking to the wrong guy
Imagine.
She hung up on me
No we worked to remove two conservative republicans. There is nothing conservative on the hill.
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She hung up on me
The only reasonable reaction to a lunatic.
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I find myself filled with a deep sense of foreboding. Like the twilight of civilization is upon us.
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Problem with Red States uniting is that even the Red States aren't all that anchored to small government, and none of them are void of bureaucracies and over-regulation. Even the good ones are far from what is truly needed.
Even among those that we consider "true" Red States, the ones that could be counted on in such a coalition could be counted on one hand, and their impact would be nil, with the possible exception of Texas.
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It was disappointing to see Governor Brewer drop out from her stand against Obamacare.
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Just got off the phone with someone who called telling me we didn't win the election but we protected our conservative majority in the House.
I stopped her and said no we didn't!
We protected a Republican majority in the House. They aren't the same thing.
You're talking to the wrong guy
Imagine.
She hung up on me
I would take that as a win.
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Heard the Romney/ Obama meeting didn't go so well.
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Heard the Romney/ Obama meeting didn't go so well.
Details? Link? Anything?
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Heard the Romney/ Obama meeting didn't go so well.
Details? Link? Anything?
MFM says it was an awesome love-fest!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/obama-romney-lunch_n_2212337.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/obama-romney-lunch_n_2212337.html)
"They pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together on shared interests arise."
::mooning::
ETA - Another caption contest! ::whoohoo::
(http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/romney-at-white-house-e1354237570119.gif)
Obama-"I smell...hey, did you just snarf me?"
Romney (Smiles grimly)
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/obama-and-romney-meet-for-lunch-and-photo-op-at-white-house/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/obama-and-romney-meet-for-lunch-and-photo-op-at-white-house/)
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"They pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together on shared interests arise."
I'm sure there will be countless opportunities since there was little difference in positions.
If there's a glint of a silver lining, he can't do as much damage as asshat Johnnie Mac, a sitting Senator who loves reaching across the aisle
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Yeah, if they're not reaching across they are reaching around...
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Duty, Honor, Country...gives way to...Me, Myself and I!
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334494/gibson-tax-pledge-doesnt-count-because-district-number-changed-john-fund (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334494/gibson-tax-pledge-doesnt-count-because-district-number-changed-john-fund)
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Duty, Honor, Country...gives way to...Me, Myself and I!
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334494/gibson-tax-pledge-doesnt-count-because-district-number-changed-john-fund (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334494/gibson-tax-pledge-doesnt-count-because-district-number-changed-john-fund)
::mooning::
Well......he'll fit right in......
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Since I am cancelling my cable TV I will have to listen to Levin via the web, I have more time in the evening now. ;)
But I am growing weary of chatter, and since my tolerance for fools has never been longer than a millisecond anyway (and only getting shorter!), I have no time for people in denial as to the state or fate of the GOP, so Levin might be the only one I really care to actually listen to anymore...
Crap, I hate being made a liar! ::facepalm::
I tried to cancel my cable TV, but the bundle got me! ::bashing::
I want to keep my fast internet connect (the phone is insignificant) and it turns out I can save $4 on my bill by dropping to the lowest cable TV package than I can getting rid of it and keeping the other two.
::facepalm::
I guess I can add cable TV to death and taxes! ::bashing::
Oh well, all it means is if I find a cheaper option to replace all 3, buh bye! ::asskicking::
But I still plan to tune into Levin! ::thumbsup::
Oh, and if I haven't said it recently - GOP can KMA! ::mooning::
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They really do get ya with the bundle.
We're not ready to go all-cell yet. There's something traditional about having a family phone number, where the call has the possibility of being for any one of us... So we have a land-line, through the cable company - bundled with our broadband and our cable TV. Getting rid of any one of them is not cost effective. So we're stuck, until splitting the three services becomes more economical than the bundle.
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"We aalllllll bundle ...... "
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I've unbundled, to some small inconvenience. It was done for future economization and I loath the bastards. When my time was up I cancelled the land line which along with it went internet hookup.
I now have a Sierra/Att Air Card of which isn't cheaper but it goes where I go, it's not bundled and ATT has the best and nicest customer service and assistance I've experienced since WalMart. My satellite, there's no cable in the country, encumbrance expires in about eight months and by that time I hope to satisfy the household needs via internet. That thing Trap found is interesting; possibly Fox will start broadcasting via internet.
Levin via internet may also be downloaded, then one may listen at his convenience.
ETA: No commercials with the download.
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"We aalllllll bundle ...... "
No we don't. ::oldman::
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"We aalllllll bundle ...... "
Mine didn't come with a puppy.
::)
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"We aalllllll bundle ...... "
Mine didn't come with a puppy.
::)
Obummer is eating the puppy.
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"We aalllllll bundle ...... "
Mine didn't come with a puppy.
::)
Obummer is eating the puppy.
Bloody savage! ::cussing::
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want to keep my fast internet connect (the phone is insignificant) and it turns out I can save $4 on my bill by dropping to the lowest cable TV package than I can getting rid of it and keeping the other two.
Yep. $12 for basic, $15 higher internet if you don't have basic. But $12 is still cheaper than $70+.
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Arizona Governor Jan Brewer: The Only Thing I Care About Is Implementing ObamaCare
(http://ace.mu.nu/archives/340424.php) And she's going to any length to make it happen.
He got to her.
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Here's the thing, and Barnhardt has hit on this several times before: anyone who goes into politics at that level is by definition craven and without any semblance of internal compass. It's how the system maintains itself, by requiring that all admitted into its ranks have some serious skeletons in their closets. It's insurance.
I now also understand why revolutions have a tendency to quickly devolve into orgies of blood and violence, it's that inchoate rage that stems from vaguely knowing they're all criminals even if you lack specific information. The mob is readily persuaded to just guillotine the whole lot of them for good measure.
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Here's the thing, and Barnhardt has hit on this several times before: anyone who goes into politics at that level is by definition craven and without any semblance of internal compass. It's how the system maintains itself, by requiring that all admitted into its ranks have some serious skeletons in their closets. It's insurance.
I now also understand why revolutions have a tendency to quickly devolve into orgies of blood and violence, it's that inchoate rage that stems from vaguely knowing they're all criminals even if you lack specific information. The mob is readily persuaded to just guillotine the whole lot of them for good measure.
I become increasingly comfortable with this.
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Roger that.
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I am not.
Guillotine's are expensive to produce in the quanitity that those who survive and try those who have done evil will need. .22 long rifle cartridges are much cheaper and can be properly applied without the need for two separate boxes.
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I like the way you think, sir!
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When in doubt Rebels should go for the "whole lot", why take any chances of letting one slip by?
As to dispatch method...dealers choice! ;D
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We were lucky -- and good -- during our first revolution. Our war against the King and his lobsterback army did not devolve completely into tit for tat revenge. It was war, though, and such things did happen, most notably No Quarter Tarleton. And there were some instances of revenge against Tories, but again, nothing on a grand lawful scale readily encouraged by those either in power or seeking power. Like I said, lucky and good, with some fine minds. A great combo. Even the Civil War, as uncivil as it was, was still civil in comparison to other civil wars around the globe, now or then. Again, the War of Northern Aggression did not end in a bloodbath of revenge or pockmarked walls.
But we did not have communists in power then, so all bets are off. They are targeting their political enemies, for that is what we are, with the full connivance and authority of various agencies of the Federal government, including their precious Union constituency. These Fedcoats and their allies are cruisin' for a bruisin'. They think the Purple People Beaters of the left, including those media and liberal political government darlings, the #Occutards, will be able to control us. I know they think wrong. I'm now desiring the first shot fired in anger at them. This corrupt and criminal regime has lost all authority from the consent of the governed as the governed no longer consent to being made into enemies to be ground up financially and emotionally by Big Government until the always final denouement, trains then, buses today, followed by unmarked graves in the thousands, if one is lucky. And with their hand in our pockets, no less, legally forcing us to pay for the privilege of being enemies of the state. Why it's almost like having to pay for the bullet they use to kill you. Almost. Give 'em time, they'll get there. It's inevitable.
The ravages of savages in History are no longer required learning in our 'pro-big government control' propaganda-filled schools. First, it's not on the test and second, what does it matter? That last Hillary! quote scares the shyt out of me, and should scare the shyt out of any sentient being. If this puppet government could have its way, we'd be ruled by 'Lord of the Flies' Khmer Rouge feral gang children who have grown up like nothing I can imagine. Communists, as Owebama proves every time he opens his mouth, always lie, and 'for the children' are their first victims. Deadly ones when given immense power by a regime which has lost all moral authority to govern. They criminally and actively seek to enslave us, to hound us, to target us, with the final insult being coercing us pay for such government bestowed honors.
Our Forefathers would long have been shooting by now.
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Amen, Rick!
Fedcoats, heh, I like that...I like that a lot. Something simple yet truthfully menacing about the term. I may have to start using that! ;)
Our Forefathers would most definitely have their blood up by now, of that I have I am 100% certain!
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Amen, Rick!
Fedcoats, heh, I like that...I like that a lot. Something simple yet truthfully menacing about the term. I may have to start using that! ;)
Thanks. I think I stole the word, though I'm not sure as I've been using it for so long now. I agree, it is more than accurate. Brevity being the soul of crabmeat or something. Wait! 42!
I have to admit, I do like coining a word or turning a phrase. For example, Owebama is a pusillanimous piece of putrescence. If the offal fits the awful, . . .
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Amen, Rick!
Fedcoats, heh, I like that...I like that a lot. Something simple yet truthfully menacing about the term. I may have to start using that! ;)
Thanks. I think I stole the word, though I'm not sure as I've been using it for so long now. I agree, it is more than accurate. Brevity being the soul of crabmeat or something. Wait! 42!
I have to admit, I do like coining a word or turning a phrase. For example, Owebama is a pusillanimous piece of putrescence. If the offal fits the awful, . . .
That one is for all the William F. Buckley, Jr fans! ::thumbsup::
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Jan Brewer...ObamaCare Stooge Update: (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/340834.php)
Since [vetoing every piece of legislation the Republican controlled legislature passed] didn't work she's now doing an end run around the GOP majorities in the legislature to pass the state's ObamaCare plan.
[blockquote] At least eight to 10 House Republicans are expected to join the chamber’s 24 Democrats in support of expansion, a coalition that has been loosely organized for months. [/blockquote]
What this amounts to is what Boehner was doing for awhile to pass things a majority of his caucus doesn't support...let liberal Republicans and Democrats take charge.
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Funny how "conservatives" often move left but liberals never "evolve".
Remember, it's never over until the liberals win.
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Prism found some dirt on her too. Probably from girls night out maybe, eh? ::facepalm:: ::unknowncomic::
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ff-jan-brewer-arizona-medicaid-20130613,0,2890183.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ff-jan-brewer-arizona-medicaid-20130613,0,2890183.story)
Persistence again beat sugary resistance.
(http://lancasteronline.com/blogs/tommurse/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/elephant-donkey-butt.gif) ...The date has changed but the fate's the same.
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A blast from the recent past...
Remember Steve Schmidt? His claim to fame (as ZIP puts it) "running one of the worst presidential campaign’s in history"!
His latest broadside - Tea Party Conservatives like Ted Cruz are the "freak show" and he is calling on (cough!) conservatives (small "c") to stand up against this "assininity"!
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/24/mcrino-adviser-steve-schmidt-says-he-has-deep-regrets-for-creating-republican-freak-show-by-bringing-palin-on-2008-ticket/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/24/mcrino-adviser-steve-schmidt-says-he-has-deep-regrets-for-creating-republican-freak-show-by-bringing-palin-on-2008-ticket/)
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/steve-schmidt-republicans-97250.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/steve-schmidt-republicans-97250.html)
::mooning::
Douche? Yeah. Loser? Proven. he and his ilk can kiss all our asses goodbye and enjoy going the way og he Whigs? F'n-A, Bubba!
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A blast from the recent past...
Remember Steve Schmidt? His claim to fame (as ZIP puts it) "running one of the worst presidential campaign’s in history"!
His latest broadside - Tea Party Conservatives like Ted Cruz are the "freak show" and he is calling on (cough!) conservatives (small "c") to stand up against this "assininity"!
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/24/mcrino-adviser-steve-schmidt-says-he-has-deep-regrets-for-creating-republican-freak-show-by-bringing-palin-on-2008-ticket/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/24/mcrino-adviser-steve-schmidt-says-he-has-deep-regrets-for-creating-republican-freak-show-by-bringing-palin-on-2008-ticket/)
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/steve-schmidt-republicans-97250.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/steve-schmidt-republicans-97250.html)
::mooning::
Douche? Yeah. Loser? Proven. he and his ilk can kiss all our asses goodbye and enjoy going the way og he Whigs? F'n-A, Bubba!
The way to fix them is to tell anybody that hires them that you won't send money as long as they're around.