ETA - And here (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6332.msg71230.html#msg71230) back in July of last year I thought I caught them spying on me! I guess I was right!
SkyNet eavesdropping revealed - Yes Mr/Ms Average American, Your Government is Spying On You! You Are Not Unreasonably Paranoid! (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html?hp&_r=1&)
Another reason why I like to conclude every text with "Obama is a Fascist Punk!" and a conversation with "Oh, and f**k Obama!"...
Send in your drones, I dare ya!
::rockets::
ETA - And here (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6332.msg71230.html#msg71230) back in July of last year I thought I caught them spying on me! I guess I was right!
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/07/obama-gives-testy-defense-of-modest-encroachments-on-privacy/ (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/07/obama-gives-testy-defense-of-modest-encroachments-on-privacy/)
... “it’s important to recognize that you can’t have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience.”
I don't recall demanding 100 percent security from any government but I do demand they get their noses out of my privacy.
"Those Who Sacrifice LibertyFor Security Deserve Neither. He who would tradeliberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
This will not end well.
Would anybody dare to mention the massive influx of Scuzzlims that he keeps the door wide open for. Of course as is the case with all leftist policy, first, you create the problem then you solve it by usurping liberty. Is anyone really surprised by this? Want to improve security the solution is pretty simple, deport this self proclaimed enemy and most of that security wouldn't be necessary. Yes, it really is that simple. Where can we find these assholes that keep preaching this bullchit concept of culture diversity so that I may hit them over the head with it a few hundred times.http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/07/obama-gives-testy-defense-of-modest-encroachments-on-privacy/ (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/07/obama-gives-testy-defense-of-modest-encroachments-on-privacy/)
... “it’s important to recognize that you can’t have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience.”
I don't recall demanding 100 percent security from any government but I do demand they get their noses out of my privacy.
"Those Who Sacrifice LibertyFor Security Deserve Neither. He who would tradeliberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
This will not end well.
When I heard that on the news today I actually shouted at the TV "I never asked for 100% security and if this is the cost I'll protect my self and my family without your intrusions, but you are making that harder too".
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/07/obama-gives-testy-defense-of-modest-encroachments-on-privacy/ (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/07/obama-gives-testy-defense-of-modest-encroachments-on-privacy/)
... “it’s important to recognize that you can’t have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience.”
I don't recall demanding 100 percent security from any government but I do demand they get their noses out of my privacy.
"Those Who Sacrifice LibertyFor Security Deserve Neither. He who would tradeliberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
This will not end well.
Ra's al Ghul: Only a cynical man would call what these people have "lives," Wayne. Crime, despair... this is not how man was supposed to live. The League of Shadows has been a check against human corruption for thousands of years. We sacked Rome, loaded trade ships with plague rats, burned London to the ground. Every time a civilization reaches the pinnacle of its decadence, we return to restore the balance.
Yeah, this thing keeps getting better and better. I find it immensely funny that when this whole thing (scandalpalooza) kicked off we had it juxtaposed with President Toonces giving his little speech about how no one should listen to people who say that you shouldn't trust the government.Yes, we're here at the moment. Unfortunately, it's just fantasy. Want something done, we best get to it and proceed.
So I was watching "Batman Begins" tonight and this quote kind of stood out:QuoteRa's al Ghul: Only a cynical man would call what these people have "lives," Wayne. Crime, despair... this is not how man was supposed to live. The League of Shadows has been a check against human corruption for thousands of years. We sacked Rome, loaded trade ships with plague rats, burned London to the ground. Every time a civilization reaches the pinnacle of its decadence, we return to restore the balance.
Are we there yet?
SkyNet eavesdropping revealed - Yes Mr/Ms Average American, Your Government is Spying On You! You Are Not Unreasonably Paranoid! (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html?hp&_r=1&)
Another reason why I like to conclude every text with "Obama is a Fascist Punk!" and a conversation with "Oh, and f**k Obama!"...
Send in your drones, I dare ya!
::rockets::
ETA - And here (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6332.msg71230.html#msg71230) back in July of last year I thought I caught them spying on me! I guess I was right!
This needs a topic of its own in the proper thread- Pan.
I thought all those highly specific denials about giving the government "direct access to servers" or creating "back doors" were fishy.
Sure enough, by Friday evening the New York Times had them all walking back Friday morning's passionate denials and "conceding" they were in on it.
“The U.S. government does not have direct access or a ‘back door’ to the information stored in our data centers,” Google’s chief executive, Larry Page, and its chief legal officer, David Drummond, said in a statement on Friday. “We provide user data to governments only in accordance with the law.”
Statements from Microsoft, Yahoo, Facebook, Apple, AOL and Paltalk made the same distinction.
But instead of adding a back door to their servers, the companies were essentially asked to erect a locked mailbox and give the government the key, people briefed on the negotiations said. Facebook, for instance, built such a system for requesting and sharing the information, they said.
The data shared in these ways, the people said, is shared after company lawyers have reviewed the FISA request according to company practice. It is not sent automatically or in bulk, and the government does not have full access to company servers. Instead, they said, it is a more secure and efficient way to hand over the data.
Even if you were to accept the phony argument that it's no big deal because "if you've got nothing to hide", that defense falls flat on the fact that government databases routinely end up exposing personal information of people through either incompetence or deliberate leaking.Pertaining to this regime, I only trust it f**k up everything that was good and decent.
How can anyone trust government to do anything? If the government says it's sunny you damn well better bring an umbrella.
Whistleblower comes forward.
And he's in communist China hiding out.
Wow...brave and yet stupid.
Uh Oh, the Fox is in the hen house and the hens are all a twitter.
Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/09/Snooping-Concerns-Emerge-Over-Congressional-Blackberries-Serviced-By-Verizon) - “I have grave concerns over the privacy of communications between staff and their member of Congress. All of our communications go through Verizon or ATT to reach our Blackberries." The staffer added, "Through a blanket seizing of these communications, the NSA is permanently intercepting and storing privileged material. This rasies further constitutional issues regarding separation of powers."
In light of the recent hubbub about the NSA having access to pretty much all your communications, the first question seems to be not “How can they do that?” because let’s face it…they aren’t supposed to. You know it and I know it. The question is not even “Do they CARE that they aren’t supposed to be doing this?” because they don’t. The only real question is “How can I stop them from doing it to me?”
That is what this post is all about–making your communications secure from prying eyes.
We get it, Joe Citizen. You want your privacy. You want to be able to talk on the internet without everyone and their mother at the InsertAlphabetAgencyHere looking at it.
You’re mad about the NSA snooping. You aren’t advocating a violent overthrow of the government.
You’re not running a domestic terrorism group (well, there are those new DHS criteria…). You’re not even sending around emails
about what a dismal failure President Obama’s administration is (THIS hour, anyway). You just want to be able to chat with friends, conduct your financial business, and argue with your spouse without Big Daddy Gummint all up in your biz. Believe it or not, that’s your right.
Harry “Who Cares” Reid may blow it off and say the government’s been “doing that stuff for years,”but we’ve got a news flash for Harry: just because you’ve been doing it a while doesn’t make it any more okay. Ask Ted Bundy … oh, wait.
Whistleblower comes forward.
And he's in communist China hiding out.
Wow...brave and yet stupid.
He's 29 - still an idealistic puppy. I bet he's doing some serious "who really are the bad guys" thinking right about now...
Via the AoS ONT here is a link (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/how-to-keep-your-communications-private/)f to Legal Insurrection's collection of privacy tools...QuoteIn light of the recent hubbub about the NSA having access to pretty much all your communications, the first question seems to be not “How can they do that?” because let’s face it…they aren’t supposed to. You know it and I know it. The question is not even “Do they CARE that they aren’t supposed to be doing this?” because they don’t. The only real question is “How can I stop them from doing it to me?”
That is what this post is all about–making your communications secure from prying eyes.
We get it, Joe Citizen. You want your privacy. You want to be able to talk on the internet without everyone and their mother at the InsertAlphabetAgencyHere looking at it.
You’re mad about the NSA snooping. You aren’t advocating a violent overthrow of the government.
You’re not running a domestic terrorism group (well, there are those new DHS criteria…). You’re not even sending around emails
about what a dismal failure President Obama’s administration is (THIS hour, anyway). You just want to be able to chat with friends, conduct your financial business, and argue with your spouse without Big Daddy Gummint all up in your biz. Believe it or not, that’s your right.
Harry “Who Cares” Reid may blow it off and say the government’s been “doing that stuff for years,”but we’ve got a news flash for Harry: just because you’ve been doing it a while doesn’t make it any more okay. Ask Ted Bundy … oh, wait.
There's a lot about this guy's "background" which doesn't pass the smell test .
No, let’s examine the reported resume of Snowden (dates are estimated):
• Raised in Elizabeth City, North Carolina and later moved to Maryland.
• Attended a community college, but never completed his coursework and never graduated from high school.
• 2003-2004: U.S. Army, discharged after training accident
• 2005: NSA, Security Guard, University of Maryland.
• 2006: CIA, IT security.
• 2007-2009: CIA, diplomatic cover, Switzerland.
• 2009-2013: NSA Contractor, Dell and later Booz Allen Hamilton.
• Salary: around $200,000.
What? Seriously? So a guy who never even graduated from high school (he later reportedly earned a G.E.D.) and started his professional career as a security guard, got hired by a couple of defense contractors and — at age 29 — was making $200K a year?
If this story is true, I don't know what's more bizarre: the leak itself or the sheer profligacy of the federal spending machine.
Whistleblower comes forward.
And he's in communist China hiding out.
Wow...brave and yet stupid.
He's 29 - still an idealistic puppy. I bet he's doing some serious "who really are the bad guys" thinking right about now...
There's a lot about this guy's "background" which doesn't pass the smell test .
This "Edward Snowden" is a snow job. The name is fake, a computer-generated one, with the repeating letters w-d-e. Repeating clusters of letters common in computer-generated names, which is also the thumbprint all over the Sandy Hook hoax. The guy's presentation is rehearsed. He is an actor, and not a very good one.
One interesting comment at Doug Ross:QuoteThis "Edward Snowden" is a snow job. The name is fake, a computer-generated one, with the repeating letters w-d-e. Repeating clusters of letters common in computer-generated names, which is also the thumbprint all over the Sandy Hook hoax. The guy's presentation is rehearsed. He is an actor, and not a very good one.
Don't know how true that is as I've never worked with any random name generating programs. But I do find it odd that you have EDWard snoWDEn. My belief in coincidences is fast approaching zero.
I have no idea what the Sandy Hook comment means.
I was split on this too. Now I am convinced that although this man may have thought he did right, he did not. There are methods that can be actual whistle blower routes if you believe something is illegal. You are not required to do it. What he did damaged intelligence collection. ALL THREE branches were involved in the oversight. I am still open to new information, but with what I know now, this young man may have unwittingly betrayed his country.ChrstnHsbndFthr, your thoughts catalyzed mine. I'm not attempting to rebut you, just express what's come together. Thanks.
I was split on this too. Now I am convinced that although this man may have thought he did right, he did not. There are methods that can be actual whistle blower routes if you believe something is illegal. You are not required to do it. What he did damaged intelligence collection. ALL THREE branches were involved in the oversight. I am still open to new information, but with what I know now, this young man may have unwittingly betrayed his country......and all three branches failed at the main goal of the constitution which is to protect our rights. Did you fail to understand that simple charge form the Founding Fathers?
The fact that all three branches were involved in erecting a system whereby personal privacy has been essentially destroyed ...
Knowledge is not evil, in and of itself. The issue as I see it is preserving the knowledge so it can be looked into later, IF the courts grant that it is necessary, as properly defined in the constitution. If that is being done, within constitutional limits, what complaint do I have that overcomes law? The rule of law is important, and the constitution the highest of laws of men. What right does any single man have to put himself above that law? None, to my way of thinking. That would make him Obama. He opposed Obama on this. I am slightly uncomfortable that Ron Paul is supporting this young man, but RP is not wrong on EVERYTHING....just mostly.
Knowledge is not evil, in and of itself. The issue as I see it is preserving the knowledge so it can be looked into later, IF the courts grant that it is necessary, as properly defined in the constitution. If that is being done, within constitutional limits, what complaint do I have that overcomes law? The rule of law is important, and the constitution the highest of laws of men. What right does any single man have to put himself above that law? None, to my way of thinking. That would make him Obama. He opposed Obama on this. I am slightly uncomfortable that Ron Paul is supporting this young man, but RP is not wrong on EVERYTHING....just mostly.
So What Can You Find Out With Metadata?
A lot more than you think. Your social and financial interactions and internet activity pretty much define your personal world.
And if the British had been a bit more savvy in ye olde social networke theory and had a rudimentary analytical engine (or perhaps a team of mentats), it would have been dead simple to identify a Mr. Paul Revere as a critical person among the colonial rabble rousers.
And by rounding up a handful of other nodal pre-traitors they could have nipped the whole insurrection in the bud.
(http://ace.mu.nu/Windows-Live-Writer/Overnight-Open-Threa_EF13/revere-network-reduced_snip_4.png)
What a nice picture! The analytical engine has arranged everyone neatly, picking out clusters of individuals and also showing both peripheral individuals and-more intriguingly-people who seem to bridge various groups in ways that might perhaps be relevant to national security. Look at that person right in the middle there. Zoom in if you wish. He seems to bridge several groups in an unusual (though perhaps not unique) way. His name is Paul Revere.
Once again, I remind you that I know nothing of Mr Revere, or his conversations, or his habits or beliefs, his writings (if he has any) or his personal life. All I know is this bit of metadata, based on membership in some organizations. And yet my analytical engine, on the basis of absolutely the most elementary of operations in Social Networke Analysis, seems to have picked him out of our 254 names as being of unusual interest.
...At the present time, alas, the technology required to automatically collect the required information is beyond our capacity. But I say again, if a mere scribe such as I-one who knows nearly nothing-can use the very simplest of these methods to pick the name of a traitor like Paul Revere from those of two hundred and fifty four other men, using nothing but a list of memberships and a portable calculating engine, then just think what weapons we might wield in the defense of liberty one or two centuries from now.
I was split on this too. Now I am convinced that although this man may have thought he did right, he did not. There are methods that can be actual whistle blower routes if you believe something is illegal. You are not required to do it. What he did damaged intelligence collection. ALL THREE branches were involved in the oversight. I am still open to new information, but with what I know now, this young man may have unwittingly betrayed his country.
Be aware that he did NOT stand on principle. He ran. To an enemy country.(China) And we do not know where he is today. He has made himself a public target for people who desire information, by stating that he knows a lot about every NSA, CIA, and military officer. He speaks well. He thinks poorly, if he intended to help Americans.
Also, the issue of the data is debatable. This is not really about reading your emails. It is about access to the garbage dump of data. It can be accessed later with a court order. The court order is allowed even to search your home. What is the difference here except information put out in the public is LESS intrusive?
I do see this from two sides. There is much here that makes me uncomfortable. But, I do desire us to prevent future 9-11's. I do desire us to catch people like the Boston-Chechen bombers.
This is not easy to just say government cannot look at all. It has to be allowed, as ANY evidence can be retrieved, after a judge signs off.
Consider the alternatives. None are good. There does come a point we must be more concerned about putting honorable men in office. Yes, reduce all their power. But, government does not wield the sword in vain. Some power is necessary. Let us just carefully define the limits to the power, thoughtfully, while making sure only decent men are allowed to hold power at all. I say this all the while acknowledging that the current lot should not have the power to give a parking ticket, with their ethics.
He broke the law put in place to protect the Feds in their lawbreaking and violations of our Constitutional protections? That law?
Pu-leeze.
If this regime used this data mining to learn of a concerted political opposition that had the potential to severely damage its agenda, does anyone here feel confident that this regime would stay its hand, and not use the data against its opposition? Does anyone question whether this regime would use this data to turn government against its opposition?
I may be off track, or I may be spot-on. I don't know, and neither does anyone else here. That fact alone should cause us all to consider how we view this revelation of domestic spying and data-mining.
Look at the chart I posted earlier from AoSHQ, showing how "meta-data" showing the intersections and connections between people and groups would have singled out Paul Revere as a threat to the British crown.
I fear my government more than any camel screwing muzzy.
The court they have to go to for warrants is the secret FISA court.
That's the one that enabled the PRISM program.
Time after time they had info to foil plots that didn't involve spying on every one of us.
From the Russian warnings about the Marathon Bombers to the 20th 911 hijacker.
They dropped the ball every time.
Probably on purpose.
Yet they sexually abuse 7 year old girls and 80 year old cancer stricken grandmas. They go after Tea Party and freedom lovers to suppress by fear.
Snowden is a hero
SHOCKER: FISA Court Surveillance Rejections Extremely Rare. “The FISC has declined just 11 of the more than 33,900 surveillance requests made by the government in 33 years, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday. That’s a rate of .03 percent, which raises questions about just how much judicial oversight is actually being provided.”
This should go far, about as far as one of Darrel Issa's shows.
Incredibly, there may be one or two that I have left out and the day isn't over so (hard to believe, but) conceivably a new scandal could emerge at any moment.
This should go far, about as far as one of Darrel Issa's shows.
Yup. And if for some reason the suit results in what appears will be accountability... well, there's always the final stop-gap: John Roberts.
WASHINGTON — A top State Department official stymied investigators trying to get to the bottom of four killings in Honduras involving DEA agents and local police — yet another revelation from internal memos leaked by a whistleblower claiming a pattern of coverups.
The incident ended in the deaths of two pregnant women and two men last year, after Honduran national police opened fire from a State Department-owned helicopter on a small boat.
Honduran police said drugs were involved, but locals said the boat was full of fishermen. The killings were referenced in a whistleblower memo obtained by The Post.
I guess that you could also add
- The killing of an American with a drone
to the list but I don't see anything wrong with killing jihadi scum in a war zone even if they happen to hold an American passport. Hard cheese for you, jihadi.
They sold guns illegally to Mexican drug cartels who are responsible for 70,000 civilian deaths and counting, and still, they were returned to power.
They sold guns illegally to Mexican drug cartels who are responsible for 70,000 civilian deaths and counting, and still, they were returned to power.
Wait, what? I've heard numbers of around 3-5,000 for the F&F guns.
They sold guns illegally to Mexican drug cartels who are responsible for 70,000 civilian deaths and counting, and still, they were returned to power.
Wait, what? I've heard numbers of around 3-5,000 for the F&F guns.
I think IDP was referring to deaths caused by the cartels, not the deaths from the F&F guns.
We have to stop thinking of scandal as something that will harm the electoral prospects of Democrats. Obama has proved that scandal can be managed and overcome through denial, obfuscation, stalling, shamelessness, and a complicit media.
None of this State Dept sh*t or any of the rest of the Obama scandals will touch Hillary's prospects for 2016, I promise.
Look at the list Trap compiled. The man and his regime would already be hanging or removed from office if there was any hope for either. He was elected in spite of many of those scandals occurring before the 2012 election. They sold guns illegally to Mexican drug cartels who are responsible for 70,000 civilian deaths and counting, and still, they were returned to power.
NSA Snooping Excludes Mosques, Missed Boston Bombers (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/061213-659753-all-intrusive-obama-terror-dragnet-excludes-mosques.htm)
I know, shocka!, right?
Rand Paul, on the senate floor, likened NSA "going from phone to phone" to the British
"going house to house" and called it unconstitutional. Wonder if Peter Jennings is going to play that clip tonight?
Rand Paul, on the senate floor, likened NSA "going from phone to phone" to the British
"going house to house" and called it unconstitutional. Wonder if Peter Jennings is going to play that clip tonight?
US News (http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/06/11/nine-companies-tied-to-prism-obama-will-be-smacked-with-class-action-lawsuit-wednesday) - Nine Companies Tied to PRISM, Obama Will Be Smacked With Class-Action Lawsuit Wednesday
AOL, Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, PalTalk, Skype, Yahoo! and Youtube will be named in the suit, attorney says
...
...
Kerry Howard says she was bullied, harassed and forced to resign after she exposed US Consul General Donald Moore’s alleged security-threatening shenanigans in the Naples, Italy, office.
As the post’s community-liaison officer, Howard was charged with keeping workplace peace and advising higher-ups on the state of morale, but when she revealed allegations about her boss, State Department officials swept it under the rug, according to an Equal Employment Opportunity complaint she filed with the department’s Office of Civil Rights.
“It’s cover-up after cover-up. It’s absolutely hideous,” she told The Post. “When our diplomats disrespect the Italians by hiring and firing them because they have seen too much — or use them for ‘sex-ercise’ — we have to question why we have diplomats abroad at taxpayer expense.”
Time to throw another State Department sex scandal (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/the-hits-keep-coming-obama-state-dept-accused-of-covering-up-another-sex-scandal/) on the barbie...And they called Reagan the Teflon president, oh, that's right, the media was out to get him.QuoteKerry Howard says she was bullied, harassed and forced to resign after she exposed US Consul General Donald Moore’s alleged security-threatening shenanigans in the Naples, Italy, office.
As the post’s community-liaison officer, Howard was charged with keeping workplace peace and advising higher-ups on the state of morale, but when she revealed allegations about her boss, State Department officials swept it under the rug, according to an Equal Employment Opportunity complaint she filed with the department’s Office of Civil Rights.
“It’s cover-up after cover-up. It’s absolutely hideous,” she told The Post. “When our diplomats disrespect the Italians by hiring and firing them because they have seen too much — or use them for ‘sex-ercise’ — we have to question why we have diplomats abroad at taxpayer expense.”
For the record, I do now believe that Snowden is a traitor and is acting traitorously. I believe that, based on his statements, actions and documents released that he is working against the best interests of the United States and is providing aid and comfort to our enemies.
That said, I also believe that the Dumbass administration has thoroughly corrupted the NSA, CIA, FBI and IRS to serve its own ends rather than those of the country.
In other words, I believe that what Snowden is doing is completely wrong but I also believe that he is doing it because the Dumbass administration is not being held accountable (by anyone) for its very obvious transgressions. Sort of the ultimate "two wrongs don't make a right" argument.
In a just world both parties would be horsewhipped in public.
I still stand by my comment made 6 days ago.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8428.msg100518.html#msg100518 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8428.msg100518.html#msg100518)
“They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental illness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted, still cherish ‘the illusion of individuality,’ but in fact they have been to a great extent 'deindividualized.’ Their conformity is developing into something like uniformity. But (as Fromm wrote) ‘uniformity and freedom are incompatible. Uniformity and mental health are incompatible too.… Man is not made to be an automaton, and if he becomes one, the basis for mental health is destroyed.’”
Ecuador via Russia, Cuba & Venezuela?
Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino, visiting Vietnam, tweeted: "The Government of Ecuador has received an asylum request from Edward J. #Snowden."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/23/us-usa-security-flight-idUSBRE95M02H20130623 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/23/us-usa-security-flight-idUSBRE95M02H20130623)
Every spook and assassin on the payroll and every freelance killer on the planet looking for a fat payday or going to be flocking to this guy like vultures.
On the plus side these economies should get a short-term boost with all that travel and hotel action...not to mention the bar tabs and hooker fees.
ETA - Plans changed, something spooked him, still in Russia, and Russia is not reacting kindly to US demands.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/24/us-usa-security-flight-idUSBRE95M02H20130624 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/24/us-usa-security-flight-idUSBRE95M02H20130624)
Regime thugs threatening other countries to knuckle under to their demands...
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/former-nsa-contractor-snowden-leaves-hong-kong-moscow-080843121.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/former-nsa-contractor-snowden-leaves-hong-kong-moscow-080843121.html)
There are ways this Snowden fellow could have done what he did without aiding he Chinese and Russians directly. It is absolutely CRAZY for a patriot of liberty to put himself in their hands. They WILL know EVERYTHING he knows in short order and there is no way that is good for liberty across the earth, and even less so here.
Our own federal government is the greatest enemy our nation faces. And yes, I mean that.
Ever since the advent of American superpower, other nations of the world have wanted to see us falter; taken down. But until now, we have not had an American regime sharing that same vision.
This regime wants us on our heels. It wants us to know that the noose is tightening, and the days of our liberty are numbered. The release of the information Snowden revealed does nothing to harm the regime. Its spying is still in place, and nothing is being done to stop it. Snowden was the regime's way of letting the American people know that our every communication is now being monitored.
Libertas, I have great respect for your mind and usually agree with you. But, framing selling information to Russia and China as opposing tyranny strikes me as error. Had this man exposed what he thinks is tyranny and stayed here or merely gone into hiding to oppose said tyrannical behavior, it would be reasonable to recognize honorable actions. But, he did not. He went to the countries who oppose liberty AND have been working against liberty for a very long time.
Is there ANY way that this many does not know these things, and yet still knows what he is talking about on the other issues? No.
You are correct to note that some of the internal enemies of freedom also consider him a traitor. But, simply the fact that they agree does not negate the point. We would all look up at the sky and say it looks like rain sometime this week. Just because the leftist agrees, does that mean I should change my position? Or does the unanimous agreement just point to the obviousness of the facts?
There are ways this Snowden fellow could have done what he did without aiding he Chinese and Russians directly. It is absolutely CRAZY for a patriot of liberty to put himself in their hands. They WILL know EVERYTHING he knows in short order and there is no way that is good for liberty across the earth, and even less so here.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-23miqXoo00E/Ucqy-bD_8tI/AAAAAAAAXMQ/vxuxEZpct0E/s1600/ronpaulsnowden.jpg)
Americans in particular often make the mistake of conflating country/nation with state. They are not one and the same. A nation can have many governments come and go. That is where I am at with ours. I want it to go. I do not consider it legitimate, and soon it will realize naked coercion is the only tool left to it -- which will in turn hasten its demise.
The current government of the USA is a far greater threat to the liberty and prosperity of the American people than either China or Russia are.
Weasel House:
The Hill (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/308577-rice-snowden-leaks-didnt-weaken-obama) - U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice rejected suggestions that National Security Agency leaks by former contractor Edward Snowden had damaged U.S. foreign policy or weakened President Obama.
“I think that’s bunk,” said Rice...“I think the Snowden thing is obviously something that we will get through, as we've gotten through all the issues like this in the past,” she added.
And, Ms. Rice, what techniques did the administration employ to "get through...issues like this in the past"?
OK, now, this is hilarious...
French President Francois Hollande said it must "immediately stop", while a spokesman for Germany's Angela Merkel said "bugging friends is unacceptable".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23125451 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23125451)
The French... ::)
Whataya gonna do, throw cheese and run away?
::hysterical::
If y'all really mean it, well, denounce Obama to his face! The only way to deal with a punk-ass dictator is to get in their grill, stop being a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys and man up!
Yeah, that'll happen... ::)
This Euro outrage is just a big charade. They're doing this sort of crap too, to their own people and foreign governments as well. I think the whole thing is merely to give the respective parties political cover, i.e. give Obama phony right-cover because the neo-cons (a word I always vowed never to use because of its overuse) can point at it and say if the Euros are whining about it then it must be ok. The Europeans then get phony cover of their own since it appeals to their reflexively anti-American leftists.
I don't buy for a minute that Europe's political establishment only became aware of this from mainstream news reports.
ZH has a nice NYT reprint from a 1999 NYT article on Nixon...the comments liking Nixon & Obama (among others) is humorous but not without merit.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/richard-nixon-anything-nsa-did-totally-defensible (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/richard-nixon-anything-nsa-did-totally-defensible)
"Barack Millhouse Orwell" <- - -
Can't help but think THIS (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8494.new.html)is somehow part of the whole Big Brother story...and then THIS NEWS (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-09/nsa-has-inserted-its-code-android-os-bugging-three-quarters-all-smartphones) comes out...it is just a steady drip and bad and disturbing...any dumbass thinking the Obama Regime is not worse than the Eeeevil Bush Gubmint is seriously impaired.
The cartoon of our age...and I really don't find it funny...
(http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Question-Authority.jpg)
Oh, and on the Stasi2.0 front - http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/dictator-obama-orders-fed-workers-to-spy-on-each-other/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/dictator-obama-orders-fed-workers-to-spy-on-each-other/)
::gaah::
Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence panel, has vocally supported the program from attacks from those on the right concerned that the program violates constitutional civil liberty protections.
QuoteRep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence panel, has vocally supported the program from attacks from those on the right concerned that the program violates constitutional civil liberty protections.
He and all of the rest of the spineless GOP elite should be tried for treason.
Even a rabbit has to surface sometime...
Stupid Rabbits!
We need big cats, wolves...predators.
Oh, and this admission is hilarious, ludicrous and disturbing all at the same time...
NSA admits storing all your data, but they don't look at it... (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-31/nsa-admits-we-do-store-all-your-data-we-dont-look-it-all)
And Bill Clinton didn't inhale...
Even a rabbit has to surface sometime...
Stupid Rabbits!
We need big cats, wolves...predators.
Oh, and this admission is hilarious, ludicrous and disturbing all at the same time...
NSA admits storing all your data, but they don't look at it... (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-31/nsa-admits-we-do-store-all-your-data-we-dont-look-it-all)
And Bill Clinton didn't inhale...
Unh hunh -- Michele Bachmann, call your office ........
http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-agent-tax-agency-is-still-targeting-tea-party-groups/article/2534044 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-agent-tax-agency-is-still-targeting-tea-party-groups/article/2534044)
In a remarkable admission that is likely to rock the Internal Revenue Service again, testimony released Thursday by House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp reveals that an agent involved in reviewing tax exempt applications from conservative groups told a committee investigator that the agency is still targeting Tea Party groups, three months after the IRS scandal erupted.
When there is no fear of retribution.....The behavior doesn't stop.
I don't know what it is with poofters these days . First it's Bradley Manning and now Glenn Greenwald and his boyfriend . Looks like "whistles" aren't the only things being blown out there .
Full Blown fascists (http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/nsa-crushes-free-speech-on-t-shirts/)
Feinswine - I love the NSA! More please! Our civil liberties are just fine (So long as you got nothing to hide! Why would you hide anything?!)
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-feinstein-nsa-foreign-policy-20140219,0,7661713.story#axzz2trruhDHn (http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-feinstein-nsa-foreign-policy-20140219,0,7661713.story#axzz2trruhDHn)
She's a witch! What do we do with witches?!
Dem's - How do we do this illegal shyt and make it look more legal and cover our rotten asses at the same time?
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/198758-dems-demand-feds-reform-fbi-letters (http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/198758-dems-demand-feds-reform-fbi-letters)
Fail!
Or is it? Who's paying attention, who is doing anything?
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LinX [Law Enforcement Information Exchange] is a national information-sharing hub for federal, state and local law enforcement agencies. It is run by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, raising concerns among some military law experts that putting such detailed data about ordinary citizens in the hands of military officials crosses the line that generally prohibits the armed forces from conducting civilian law enforcement operations.
Those fears are heightened by recent disclosures of the National Security Agency spying on Americans, and the CIA allegedly spying on Congress, they say.
Eugene Fidell, who teaches military law at Yale Law School, called LinX “domestic spying.”
... Why LinX wound up in the NCIS, a military law enforcement agency, is not clear. Current NCIS officials could not explain the reasoning, other than to say it grew out of the department's need for access to law enforcement records relevant to criminal investigations.