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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2820 on: March 20, 2025, 01:10:31 PM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/ukraine-bombs-russian-airfield-435-miles-front-lines/

It's not an energy-related facility...so...no violation...

As for how they got that deep...ask the Euro's...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2821 on: March 20, 2025, 05:22:32 PM »

The Hill is a DC media outlet. They just kinda said the Ukr war could have been prevented.
https://youtu.be/XCBC7hHTmJk?t=1637

https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/
Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2822 on: March 21, 2025, 08:33:36 AM »
Yeah, The Hill...  Umm, yeah...  This I do not think they came up with themselves, this to me indicates elements in the DeepState who sucked their finger and stuck it in the wind (and seeing what Trump is doing and exposing and what Musk is finding, exposing and ending) and determined that CYA is needed to ensure some seed of the DeepState survives this period.  That bis all that is.  And no, no letting anybody off the hook, commit crimes together, hang together, no exceptions!

And this, I totally believe.  I think the ChiCom's are sh*tting themselves with fear over thawing US-Russia relations. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-beijing-fears-us-playing-russian-card

And I hope it happens, it is the the critical element to ratcheting down tensions globally and in the European theater in particular, and the more Europe migrates to self-sufficiency during improved US-Russia relations the soon the US can GTFO of NATO.  And then we can focus on our true existential state enemy - Communist China. 

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2823 on: March 21, 2025, 08:41:15 AM »
And I would like to see more videos like this...

But the use of shotguns goes well beyond the weapons individual soldiers can carry into battle. Both Ukraine and Russia have developed drones carrying shotguns to shoot down other drones. In a recent case, a larger Ukrainian drone mounting shotguns was videoed shooting down three Russian UAVs. Russian defense contractor Almaz-Antey has developed a unique and inexpensive drone that features a 10-round, fully automatic, VEPR-12 shotgun in a stabilized mount designed to shoot down drones.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunting-killer-drones-your-fathers-12-gauge

Embedded link - https://www.kyivpost.com/post/45369

Begun the drone wars only have...  I'm sure bigger meaner and more agile platforms will be flooding all battlefields...

ETA - There are battlebots too!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/losses-mount-ukraine-deploys-fury-battlebots-front-line

Conflict often sees more innovation on the battlefield.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2824 on: March 21, 2025, 08:53:13 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/independent-anti-russia-outlet-meduza-faces-collapse-after-us-funding-slashed

Ha!  Turning off USAID payments shut down a disinfo outfit, yeah that's too bad... 

But having this reported by the Grayzone is a bit of a ironic and premature victory lap against their disinfo competitor...

In the words of its progressive Founder Max Blumenthal...The Grayzone receives funding through Patreon and from "private friends of mine who are basically progressive Americans who support progressive media." He said The Grayzone receives no state funding from Russia or China.

The Grayzone's news content is generally considered to be fringe,[16][2][17][18] and the website maintains a pro-Kremlin editorial line,[26][49] centered around an opposition to the foreign policy of the United States and a desire for a multipolar world.[2] The site has been criticized for defending Russia and other authoritarian regimes.[2][20][39][42][50]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

And that is all according to the clearly left-leaning Wiki!
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2825 on: March 21, 2025, 11:37:32 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/sabotaging-peace-after-zelensky-ramps-up-demands-kiev/

Not even feigning a mistake, rogue field commander not giving a frack...not saying anything...

Time to sack Zelensky?

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2826 on: March 21, 2025, 12:04:40 PM »



Documentary by some guy who moved to Mariupol in 2014. He describes how education changed from 2014 to 2022.
This is very good. This confirms my belief that hate was pumped into Ukraine before and after 2014. Video is 12 min long.
UKRAINIAN SCHOOLS IN 2014-2022
https://youtu.be/yDOsfvuDvaI

Videos from Mariupol

update
https://t.me/videos_from_mariupol

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2827 on: March 21, 2025, 12:12:04 PM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/sabotaging-peace-after-zelensky-ramps-up-demands-kiev/

Not even feigning a mistake, rogue field commander not giving a frack...not saying anything...

Time to sack Zelensky?

SABOTAGING THE PEACE: After Zelensky Ramps-up Demands, Kiev Blows-up Russian Gas Substation in Kursk Region, Defying Trump-Mediated Energy and Infrastructure Ceasefire (VIDEOS)

The Sudzha gas metering station in Russia’s Kursk region — the sole pipeline sending Russian gas to the EU through Ukraine — was attacked.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2828 on: March 21, 2025, 12:20:05 PM »


I have not finished the whole thing yet. I herd there were two sources of the ultra nationalists that took control of the kiev govt
1. Western govts freed and armed anti Soviet forces from 1945-1953. They were finally killed or sent to gulags. Gulags were closed and they were freed where many returned to Ukraine or abroad.

2. The Ur diaspora organizations were taken over by the far right Ukr forces and they returned to Ukraine after 1991 to create a new Ukraine.

This prof below talks about this second group. Says they are like a night hood. Have a pure agrarian view of themselves. That is in the first 14 min.

https://youtu.be/0LlIEWkeY7g
Nicolai Petro: Will the Nationalists Turn Against Zelensky?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2829 on: March 21, 2025, 02:38:18 PM »


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/122357
'Starmer to chair closed-door meeting today on deployment of European peacekeepers to Ukraine ' - BBC

'Senior officers from the 'coalition of the willing' have been invited to the meeting. Together with the prime minister, they will develop plans for the creation of a peacekeeping force in Ukraine. Representatives from more than 20 countries are expected to attend the meeting.'

Kids table keeps misbehaving it seems. Trump and Putin need to remind them they won't get dessert and if they keep pushing their luck there will be some spanked bottoms.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2830 on: March 21, 2025, 03:01:18 PM »


Interesting comment on the Ukraine schools video 2014-2022 link I posted.

Also watching Bald and Bankrupt in Georgia he spoke Russian well with the older generation. I noticed that reporters in Georgia spoke with younger protesters and their English was awful. It seems that ditching Russian ws done more than learning English.

Same exact thing in Baltics,in Lithuanian school system they removed ALL Lithuanian top writers who wrote in Lithuanian because all of them lived either in Russian empire or soviet union and were either neutral and non-political or supported Russia.

As someone who is from Russia or English speaking country,they cant understand how BORING and BADLY WRITTEN the books are of authors from smaller countries like Lithuania,everybody knows English and Russian writers all around the world,in Russian schools kids read Russian authors in Russian language,in English universities students read Russian classics in English,,now imagine studying a small language where all OK literature is removed because they werent russophobic and the only literature you get to learn from 1st grade to university is from political authors who arent talented,wrote nothing important,basically no different from PC culture or BLM LGBT literature.

This is the main reason I cant stand my native language,I hated Lithuanian classes,literature even more,because the material was so bad,no one can enjoy studying language. I bet for Russians in Ukraine its the same once Russian literature was removed. Like theres no good material left apart from 1-2 authors who wrote in native languages. ANY good author during soviet or empire times wrote in both languages because they had audience in Russia.

In a way removing Russian literature is the main reason Lithuanian language is dying and Ukrainian will die out too. During soviet times Lithuania had a population that got better grades,could speak 2 languages without an accent as if they both were native. Today 60% of population fail the final exams in Lithuanian language. Same will happen with Ukraine. Majority of those who see themselves as ethnic Ukrainian will just americanize and forget their language and speak half english half Ukrainian as has happened to Lithuanians who cant say 1 sentence without replacing Lithuanian words with english.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2831 on: March 21, 2025, 04:03:15 PM »

Another answer
Sorry, but where are Hungarian speaking? Ukraine's South East - is the part of former Russian Empire (Novorossia). Big part of the Western too, but those regions including Kiev were returned back from Polish slavery in the 17th century, this is why it is mostly Ukrainian speaking. Sort of put together as jigsaw. Also later the other part is the part of former Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Crimea is the past. When Lenin created Ukraine, Ukrainianisation was not successful as couldnt make people stop speaking native Russian language. So, Ukrainian became a mandatory subject to learn from school, but in each 100% Russian speaking cities were schools teaching ALL subjects in Ukrainian. People had choice. Obviously the West was working in Ukrainian mostly, East in Russian. The 3rd channel on TV all around Ukraine Republic was in Ukrainian always.

During WW2 Ukrainian nationalists in the Western part thought Hitler will help them to make the Western part Independent and killed thousands of Polish and Jews for him. But after war they were freed and went abroad forming Ukrainian clubs wherever they could.

During crash of USSR people voted to keep it. However it was not and new Referendum for Independence of Ukraine was announced. Before it, on TV, the heads of Ukraine then, promised that language rights will remain the same as were in USSR, equal for everybody for Russian speaking & Hungarian speaking people. Otherwise Crimea or SouthEast or Hungarians would never have voted for Ukraine on Referendum.

In 2014 this promise was broken, this is why people who went against Maidan were burnt alive and killed in SouthEast part of country the most. Maidan didn't win, because Donbass who refused to become Ukrainian speaking too was not allowed to vote and Crimea left without drop of blood. Zelensky promised to stop war going on camera with flowers to grave of his Granddad the Hero of WW2. And then..he is applauding to Nazist in Canadian Parliament! I was raised Not to judge people by ethnicity and language.

In our 100%Russian speaking cities live lots of nationalists and ethnicities, but now after illegal forced government replacement heros of country became those who fought on Hitler's side renaming streets in their honour in capital. Our 200yrs old Monuments are taken off because they were put by Russian Empire and people are living on the rights of foreigners on our own land, which was added to Ukrainian one for free.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2832 on: March 21, 2025, 05:43:19 PM »
I wondered why some US ret col said Russia was better off w/o Odessa.

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I assume you’re asking about whether Odesa, Ukraine, is a major site of criminal activity, since that was the focus of your previous question. If I’ve got that wrong, just let me know what you’re after, and I’ll adjust.

Odesa, Ukraine, has a long-standing reputation as a hotspot for criminal activity, and historical and recent data back this up to a significant degree. Before Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022, Odesa was often labeled Ukraine’s “crime capital” due to its strategic Black Sea port, which has made it a hub for smuggling, trafficking, and organized crime. The city’s history as a free port in the 19th century and its diverse population have fostered a culture where illicit trade thrived—think drugs, weapons, and counterfeit goods flowing through its docks. In 2018, Ukraine’s then-Interior Minister Arsen Avakov called it exactly that, pointing to rampant corruption in sectors like construction and law enforcement. That year, Odesa Oblast logged around 29,400 crimes out of Ukraine’s 386,000 total, a hefty chunk for a region of about 2.4 million people.

Organized crime has deep roots here. The Global Initiative Against Transnational Organized Crime notes Odesa as a key logistical center for criminal networks, alongside cities like Kyiv and Dnipro. Pre-war, it was a major node for arms trafficking—Ukraine’s got one of Europe’s largest black markets for small arms, fueled by decades of conflict and loose controls. Human trafficking’s also pervasive; Ukraine’s a source, transit, and destination point, with Odesa’s port facilitating movement to places like Poland and Turkey. Women often face sexual exploitation abroad, while men, especially from marginalized groups, get roped into forced labor or drug muling. Add to that drug trafficking—cannabis and synthetics like alpha-PVP have steady local demand, with supply lines from China, the EU, and the Middle East historically passing through Odesa.

Corruption’s the grease keeping this machine running. State-embedded actors—think officials in high places—either turn a blind eye or actively profit, especially in markets like smuggling and construction. The city’s mayor, Hennadiy Trukhanov, has long been accused of shielding these interests, though he’s dodged serious consequences. Pre-2022, mafia-style groups, including the “thieves-in-law” (vory-v-zakone), flexed muscle in extortion and drug rackets, some even collaborating with Russian operatives during the 2014 Crimea annexation.

Since the invasion, things have shifted. The naval blockade of Odesa’s port crippled traditional smuggling routes—no more cocaine or precursors sailing in from Latin America or China. A 2023 Reuters report cited Interior Minister Ihor Klymenko saying overall crime dropped by up to 50% post-invasion, thanks to a crackdown on gangs in early 2022. Police took control of the streets, and many crime bosses fled to places like Turkey or Dubai. But it’s not all rosy. The war’s chaos has opened new avenues—arms from the front lines are leaking into black markets, and synthetic drug labs have popped up in central and western Ukraine to offset eastern disruptions. X posts from 2025 mention ongoing Russian attacks on Odesa’s civilian infrastructure, like energy grids and homes, which could destabilize things further and give criminals room to maneuver.

So, is Odesa a “major site” of criminal activity today? Historically, absolutely—it was a top-tier hub. Right now, the war’s scrambled the board. The port’s lockdown and police grip have dialed back some traditional rackets, but the conflict’s breeding new risks—arms proliferation, displacement scams targeting refugees, and a potential power vacuum if state control slips. Compared to pre-war levels, it’s less “major” in volume, but the potential’s still there, simmering under martial law and missile strikes. If you want specifics—like crime stats or a deeper dive into wartime trends—just say the word.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2833 on: March 21, 2025, 07:27:01 PM »


Nothing new. The Kiev faction hates the locals not loyal too them. I read lots of this stuff long ago from Mariupol.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/122488
💬Ukrainian volunteers were spotters!

A common practice of the Kiev regime in Chasov Yar. If local residents refuse to leave for the territory controlled by Ukraine, their houses are burned down, or targeted by artillery strikes from the AFU.

An evacuated resident of Chasov Yar about the actions of Ukrainian volunteers in the frontline zone:
Volunteers were a whole separate issue. Everyone tried to hide from them. “Are you planning to leave? No? Then we’ll turn you into dust.” <...> My house was the first one they burned down.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2834 on: March 22, 2025, 07:05:28 PM »

https://t.me/myLordBebo/62340
🇺🇸🇺🇦🚨?? IMPORTANT:
(The Americans) perceive us as a monkey with a grenade!”

(The Americans) know about our plans to blow up all the nuclear power plants, if Ukraine loses.

They are not taking away our property, but want to control the things that are dangerously to humanity.”

— Arestovich, former adviser to Zelensky’s office

?? Arestovich knows about it first hand since he was part of the Ukrainian leadership.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2835 on: March 22, 2025, 08:31:37 PM »
I wanted to know how many Russian language books were disposed of in Ukraine as I heard different answers. I asked grok.

100 Million Estimate: In June 2022, Oleksandra Koval of the Ukrainian Book Institute told Interfax Ukraine that plans were underway to withdraw over 100 million "propaganda" books—half the estimated library total—including Soviet-era and post-1991 Russian publications. This was an ambition, not a completed action, with some books slated for preservation in research libraries. No follow-up confirms this scale was achieved by 2025.

War Damage: Separately, Taras Kremin, Ukraine’s Language Protection Commissioner, claimed in September 2024 that Russian forces destroyed over 200 million Ukrainian-language books by damaging nearly 1,000 libraries since 2022. This isn’t disposal by Ukraine but loss due to war, so it’s distinct from the derussification effort.



Scale and Context
The 19 million figure (11 million Russian) is the most concrete, reflecting actions up to late 2022. The 100 million target suggests a larger goal, but progress is uncertain—library purges slowed after 2022 due to war priorities. Posts on X claiming 400,000+ in Kyiv lack verification but align with regional efforts. Meanwhile, the 200 million lost to Russian attacks is a separate issue, inflating total book loss but not relevant to Ukraine’s disposal policy.
Conclusion
Russian-language books are being disposed of in Ukraine, primarily through library "write-offs" for recycling or removal. The confirmed number is at least 11 million by November 2022, with aspirations to reach 100 million, though evidence of hitting that mark is lacking. Exact totals beyond 2022 are murky due to incomplete reporting and ongoing conflict. For a definitive update, you’d need current Ukrainian government data—want me to search further or refine this?

The number destroyed by Russia seemed high so I asked how many Ukrainian language books existed in libraries in 2014.

As of 2014, Ukrainian libraries likely held around 100 million Ukrainian-language books, assuming a total collection of 200 million and a 50-56% Ukrainian share before major derussification kicked in. This is a ballpark estimate—exact numbers could range from 90 to 120 million depending on untracked factors like private libraries or unreported Soviet stocks. For a firmer figure, you’d need pre-2014 library audits, which aren’t public. Want me to dig deeper into regional breakdowns or post-2014 shifts?

So as of 2014 there were 100 million Ukrainian language books in Ukr libraries and Russia destroyed 200 million of these.
  Russia controls maybe 20 percent of Ukraine.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2836 on: March 24, 2025, 08:40:48 AM »
Thought everyone knew about Odessa's sketchy and nefarious history...

In the end I really don't care though...not my problem...

On the negotiation front...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/03/24/u-s-ukraine-and-russian-technical-negotiation-teams-meet-in-saudi-arabia/

...hopefully the momentum of greater cooperation is enough to move things along.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2837 on: March 24, 2025, 05:52:39 PM »

I had heard that RU talked to Biden directly in late Dec 2021 and Biden said the US had no intention of putting offensive missiles in Ukraine. Then in Feb. 2022 Blinken said something like to disregard that and the US would promise nothing.

I just saw a  video clip of RU FM Lavrov. He said that Blinken told him the only subject for negotiation was the number of intermediate range missiles in Ukraine.  RU invaded Feb 24, 2022.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2838 on: March 25, 2025, 07:55:38 AM »
Everybody knows Biden wasn't calling the shots...it was the DeepState with assistance from The Kenyan, Soros, Eurocrats...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2839 on: March 25, 2025, 08:52:49 AM »
More exercises with the Yars is not helpful...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-initiates-drills-involving-yars-nuke-capable-icbms

...it will make Western warmongers ask why there isn't something comparable rolling in/near Ukraine...

 ::facepalm::

And the warmongers are already in panic mode...which really doesn't need more fuel...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/7-actions-nato-countries-are-taking-which-indicate-something-really-big-coming

Won't take much to make things pop... 

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