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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2440 on: September 04, 2024, 07:26:34 PM »
Russia wiping out newbies in the pipeline...and Ukraine begs to hit targets deeper in Russia...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-missile-strike-military-academy-ukraine-leaves-51-dead-over-270-injured

...meanwhile, Ukraine unleashes a fire-breathing drone...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-ukraine-unveils-terrifying-flame-thrower-drone-which-spits-thermite

...looks bullish for war porn enthusiasts.


Some woman says this.
https://t.me/kalibrated/13654
🇷🇺💥🇺🇦 It looks like the Zelensky regime not only misrepresented the location of the strike on the Military Communications Training Center in Poltava but also the number of casualties, which are allegedly 215 killed and 340 wounded.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2441 on: September 05, 2024, 08:39:44 AM »
Meh, Rus numbers, Uke numbers...split the difference...

And that's in Central Ukraine...

But, the Rus are hitting the far West again, and getting close to Poland...



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-scrambles-fighter-jets-russia-strikes-far-western-ukraine

I see that as more consequential...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2442 on: September 05, 2024, 05:20:06 PM »

Alex of the Duran said he reads pro Ukr and pro Ru media.
He said that recently Jake Sullivan is the second most hated man in Ukraine.
I do not know who the most hated man is. I do not think he said.

Why? The idea floating around Ukr now is that the failure of the Kiev troops is the failure of the Americans to deliver the right weapons on time. The Kiev warriors who are brave and glorious would have won but for the worthless Americans. Remember that every new "wonder weapon" will turn the tide. Now, if only the US will deliver long range weapons that can strike deep into Russia that will bring Putin to his knees. The US was forcing Kiev to fight with one hand tied behind their back. There were other such weapons before.

They think  the Americans are stabbing Ukrainians in the back. Propaganda does not have to be true to work.

IMO Kiev has tightly controlled the media since around 2014 and they say they have been on the verge of victory ever since. Russia has been on the edge of collapse for the entire SMO.

IMO Kiev has been doing weird things not often seen that are all pain with no gain. The anti Russian language laws and the govt creating a new church sect in 2019 are examples.  I just read that Kiev is redesigning their coins to remove Russian influence. How does that help them? Georgia did normal things. They switched from teaching Georgian and Russian to Georgian and English in public schools. Hopefully more opportunities for the kids.

Early on I heard Russians and people in eastern Ukr say they are all Slavs. The Kiev faction spouts  some ethnic/genetic theories of superiority.



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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2443 on: September 06, 2024, 08:16:20 AM »
Well, Alex can say he wears pants and skirts and I would be equally underwhelmed...

The knee-jerk impulse of the Western hegemon or self-proclaimed Slavic hegemon trapped both into this stupidity...sans a change in leadership one side or the other (wouldn't that be a fun debate as to odds!) to a sane resolution...the stupidity will continue with good chances of it getting even stupider...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2444 on: September 09, 2024, 01:57:30 PM »


Old news video clip. Stupid reason for a war.
https://x.com/CheburekiMan/status/1832926116811534805
Arestovich says peace negotiations were so successful that they opened the champagne.

Then Borat went to Kiev and told Zelensky to just fight, we'll get you a better deal.

One million bodies later, Ukraine is a failed state close to collapse.

https://x.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1832894760257991007
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2445 on: September 10, 2024, 12:37:41 PM »
Well, the drone wars continue...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-ukrainian-drone-attack-kills-russian-woman-moscow

...and there is no impetus to alter course on this among demothugs and cucks here...nothing short of regime change will do, and by regime change I mean Trump getting in, Harris will only continue funding the madness even if ti means widening the crap.  And it also means Putin has to want to broker a deal with Trump.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2446 on: September 10, 2024, 01:57:24 PM »
I'm sure the reason for all the violence in the Eastern part of Ukraine is due to something obvious...it's just escaping me...



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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2447 on: September 10, 2024, 04:00:12 PM »


I wonder who would mine it if Kiev forced out the locals? Imported Africans?  The Donbass has long been a mining area including iron and coal. Also heavy industry. There were commie posters "don't mess with the Donbass."  Think of what such people are/were like in the US.

This is the first war I recall where social media was readily available. I watched lots early on.  The Kiev faction had been shelling civilian residential areas for 10 years. On camera they said it was to drive the Russians from their sacred land. They were citizens of Ukraine but called Russians. I never did come up with a definition. The various ethnic groups are almost all Slavs who have been there hundreds of years.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2448 on: September 12, 2024, 09:07:19 AM »
Looks like that jackass Erdogan wants something from Vlad...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkeys-erdogan-demands-russia-must-return-crimea-ukraine

...and Vlad hasn't provided it yet, so...more  ::pokeineye::

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« Reply #2449 on: September 12, 2024, 01:20:11 PM »
Looks like that jackass Erdogan wants something from Vlad...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkeys-erdogan-demands-russia-must-return-crimea-ukraine

...and Vlad hasn't provided it yet, so...more  ::pokeineye::

He is a little goofier than usual. The return of Tatars to Crimea from forced relocations in USSR was some kind of issue after USSR fell also. Not sure how it was resolved. If Turkey joins BRICS things will get interesting.

When will Turkey be leaving Cyprus?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2450 on: September 12, 2024, 01:51:56 PM »
Looks like that jackass Erdogan wants something from Vlad...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkeys-erdogan-demands-russia-must-return-crimea-ukraine

...and Vlad hasn't provided it yet, so...more  ::pokeineye::

He is a little goofier than usual. The return of Tatars to Crimea from forced relocations in USSR was some kind of issue after USSR fell also. Not sure how it was resolved. If Turkey joins BRICS things will get interesting.

When will Turkey be leaving Cyprus?

When Hell freezes over...

Which ironically could be closer than we think...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2451 on: September 13, 2024, 09:03:05 AM »
Well, the playground theatrics seems to be escalating...which can only make things worse for everybody...

Such children...

Britain and the United States are on the verge of allowing Ukraine to use long-range missiles against targets in Russia after accusing President Putin of “escalating” the conflict by accepting ballistic missiles from Iran.
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"This would in a significant way change the very nature of the conflict... It would mean that NATO countries are at war with Russia," Putin told a state television reporter.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-counteroffensive-kursk-belatedly-full-swing

Both sides ignoring each other and think they have the moral high ground in this chicken or the egg geopolitical standoff for the resources of Eastern Ukraine...

If long-range missiles striking Russia means war with NATO...what does ballistic missiles from Iran to Russia for use on Ukraine mean?  What does North Korean supplied war materials mean?

And even more consequential...what it means for Communist China to supply Russia's war effort?

Russia is saying it will be war with NATO, the US which is led by idiots should respond by saying it also means being at war with Iran, North Korea and China...  Heck, Russia is even outright saying China will join a wider war -

China has shrugged off accusations issued by the United States this week that it is directly supporting Russia's 'war machine'. US deputy secretary of state Kurt Campbell told reporters Wednesday that China is providing more than just dual use items, but instead is transferring "component pieces of a very substantial effort on the part of China to help sustain, build and diversify various elements of the Russian war machine." This allegedly included submarine and missile technology.

On Thursday, Chinese state media confirmed the start of joint China-Russia naval patrols in the Pacific. Global Times says that Chinese warships and warplanes have arrived in the Peter the Great Bay and Vladivostok just ahead of the exercises, which will run through September.

But it was Russia which verbally hit back directly against Washington accusations in a new, ominous warning. Russia and China could "combine their potential" if faced with aggression, Moscow's foreign ministry asserted.

"I would like to remind you that Moscow and Beijing will respond to 'double containment' by the United States with 'double counteraction'," ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said.

While the two powerful countries as yet have no formal military treaty, President Putin recently declared Russia and China to be "allies in every sense of the word" while Xi has touted the "no limits friendship".

Zakharova in the latest explosive remarks (issued in a Wednesday briefing) spoke about combining forces. Here are the words in their full context:

"It is clear that both Russia and China will react to the emergence of additional and very significant missile threats, and their reaction will be far from being political, which has also been repeatedly confirmed by the two countries.

"Our relations are not directed against third countries... and double counteraction does not contradict this. This is a defensive position, this is not an initiative to target other countries.

"But if an aggressive policy of attack is being implemented against us from one centre, why don't we combine our potential and give an appropriate rebuff?"

It seems that among the original questions from reporters which triggered this response was an inquiry related to the possibility that the US will deploy US Typhon mid-range missiles to Japan.

While reports have said these will be present on a temporary basis as part of drills, it remains the missiles were banned under the now defunct INF Treaty. China has of course vehemently condemned this, and independent analysts have pointed out it would be akin to China placing banned missiles capable of hitting Florida and the US Gulf coast in Cuba or Mexico.

In many ways, these recent displays of close coordination between Beijing and Moscow are but more blowback from round after round of US sanctions and punitive actions aimed at both countries.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ready-combine-potential-china-if-faced-western-aggression

I don't trust ANY of these bastards!  The US, EU, Russia, Iran, North Korea, China...all are led by idiots!  I do not believe Putin & Xi understand how seriously stupid and blindly reactionary US & EU leadership is...and they are not doing anything to de-escalate things.

Perhaps Africa needs to join the fray, since Russia is now targeting their grain shipments?

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/wheat-food-security-risk-after-russian-missile-hits-ukrainian-grain-ship-black-sea

Looks like armed escorts of grain shipments might be in order.

Every single one of these assholes are doing everything possible to make a greater global conflict a reality.  Any other conclusion is clearly inadequate to argue anything different.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2452 on: September 13, 2024, 02:28:34 PM »


https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/wheat-food-security-risk-after-russian-missile-hits-ukrainian-grain-ship-black-sea

I'd like to see more pictures of that grain ship. It looks odd.

I heard that Putin had warned the west about the newer longer range missile use. Then I heard three possible options.
US bases all over the world with people that do not like the US are hit.
Russia stops export of heavy crude to US which tanks production of diesel, bunker fuel.
Russia stops export of enriched uranium to US power plants.


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2453 on: September 16, 2024, 08:10:49 AM »
The fleet of ghost oil tankers looks odder...some of those should be hit...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2454 on: September 16, 2024, 04:49:52 PM »
The fleet of ghost oil tankers looks odder...some of those should be hit...

I meant the closeup photo does not look like a photo I expect of ship hit by missiles.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/salvage-operation-underway-for-stricken-red-sea-tanker-hit-by-houthis/



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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2455 on: September 17, 2024, 08:18:53 AM »
Depends on the design I suppose and if their flight path and impact method is pre-programmed or dynamic...
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« Reply #2457 on: September 17, 2024, 04:22:12 PM »

When I have Roku on in the background one common idea is that Kiev is desperate to drag NATO into the war more directly. Also, Russia has been preparing for this option for a long time. The current FM of the EU recently proposed carving up Russia into smaller pieces.

I suspect the recent proposed increase in Russian army is in anticipation of NATO.

The recent proposal to use longer range missiles is not discussed in the MSM in detail. What is new is that these missiles have to be  operated, targeted, programmed by western experts depending on the country of origin. They also depend on western satellite surveillance. Ukraine operators would not be involved. German officers recently discussed for their longer range missiles this and this was leaked .  That is what Putin recently pointed out as different.

I also heard that militaries including US advised against hitting deeper inside Russia which pissed of the civilians like Blinken. I heard the militaries won that argument at least for now.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2458 on: September 17, 2024, 04:34:54 PM »

When I have Roku on in the background one common idea is that Kiev is desperate to drag NATO into the war more directly. Also, Russia has been preparing for this option for a long time. The current FM of the EU recently proposed carving up Russia into smaller pieces.

I suspect the recent proposed increase in Russian army is in anticipation of NATO.

The recent proposal to use longer range missiles is not discussed in the MSM in detail. What is new is that these missiles have to be  operated, targeted, programmed by western experts depending on the country of origin. They also depend on western satellite surveillance. Ukraine operators would not be involved. German officers recently discussed for their longer range missiles this and this was leaked .  That is what Putin recently pointed out as different.

I also heard that militaries including US advised against hitting deeper inside Russia which pissed of the civilians like Blinken. I heard the militaries won that argument at least for now.

Just like the Russian supplied hypersonics being used against Western targets in the Red Sea and Israel...

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