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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2660 on: January 30, 2025, 03:52:45 PM »

https://t.me/ZradaXXII/39221
9 in 10 Ukrainian media 'to go bust' after USAID pulls plug on funding their anti-Russian propaganda — Kiev's Mass Media Institute head
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2661 on: January 30, 2025, 04:04:33 PM »
Can we do that here?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2662 on: January 30, 2025, 04:07:33 PM »


The new Ukr church that took over churches
https://t.me/putingers_cat/13067
It is not entirely clear as to what is happening in this episode of "Ukraine of the brain." However, this appears to be some kind of a "church service" for a dead AFU fighter.  Some descriptions of this video in Russian stated that these  "priests", adorned with marijuana leaves, used the above-mentioned plant as the source of smoke in the incense burner (the thing he's swinging, which is a usual part of Orthodox church services)...

Ukraine is cray-cray.

At least they get a good buzz...

Didn't get that here from that fugly apostate lamenting the consequences for the illegal criminals...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2663 on: January 30, 2025, 06:22:06 PM »


https://t.me/ZradaXXII/39230
🇺🇦🤡The founder of the company for the production of EWs "Aura" suggests that drones in Ukraine should be assembled by children in schools, because Russian missiles can fly at large production facilities, but the Russians will not shoot at children.  I.e. suggests using children as human shields.

"It is necessary that FPV-drones collected at labor lessons in schools, hide them in basements, garages - so we will ensure mass. Because if you build a large workshop, it will quickly fly there", - said Alexei Polonchuk.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2664 on: January 31, 2025, 08:06:53 AM »
Well, yeah...  Toxic-leftists in the UN and around the globe jump all over Israel for civilian deaths as a result of Islamo-Fascist Terrorists embedding in civilian areas and using them as human shields...

Why should those animals have sole use of that tactic?

Plus, the terrorists also use mentally retarded women and children to detonate suicide vests on civilians buses and markets...

Uke's got a lot more of their ideas to emulate...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2666 on: January 31, 2025, 01:28:13 PM »

I watched the whole presser or whatever you call it. The new press secretary is sharp.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2667 on: January 31, 2025, 07:10:09 PM »

In short some higher up said something in a closed meeting which was repeated outside the meeting.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/118439
SBU opens criminal case over leak of Budanov's words

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The discussion arose due to following admission by the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate:
“If there are no serious negotiations before the summer, then very dangerous processes for the very existence of Ukraine may be launched.”

It turned out that the revelation is not a fake but was made at a closed meeting and was not supposed to be leaked to the media, as was reported by the Secretary of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security, Defense and Intelligence Roman Kostenko (photo):
"There are political leaders who run political factions, who should also know the overall situation at the highest level, but they certainly shouldn't tell it on live TV, they shouldn't tell it to journalists. <…> Well, they opened a criminal case, let the SBU sort it out."

So, not a lie, but not for our ears, muahahaha. Pathetic.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2668 on: February 02, 2025, 05:50:15 PM »

I saw that Kiev might be willing to have elections on the condition that there is a cease fire.
There are several problems with this.
Whether their actions were right or wrong the Russians are aware of them. These were reported from Ukrainian plus  other sources involved in the negotiations.

1. The Minsk 1 then Minsk 2 agreements were between Kiev govt and the breakaway regions. Russia, Germany, and France were involved. Germany was afraid that Russia would destroy the then weak Kiev army so they started the agreements.  Later  Ukr, German, and French negotiators said they had no intention of meeting the terms of the agreements but used them only to buy time to build up the Kiev armies.

The agreements were to stop shelling the regions, allow them to practice their language, religion, and culture. Also elect local officials like governors and mayors.  Kiev refused to ever meet with the other party to the agreement.

2. In Mar - Apr 2022 RU and Kiev met and initialed some agreements in Istanbul. RU was asked to withdrew their forces from around Kiev as a show of good will and they did.   After Boris Johnson flew into town they backed out.  Kiev said they had no intention of signing the final agreement. This may have been bluster but they said it.

So Luci pulled the football from Charlie Brown 3 times and they want a 4th time. If Putin agreed to a cease fire there might be regime change in Moscow.  Kiev would also have to change the law forbidding negotiations.





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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2669 on: February 02, 2025, 08:59:09 PM »


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🇺🇸🇺🇦 The founder of the Blackwater PMC, Erik Prince, called for an "ugly peace" with Russia:

 (https://t.me/myLordBebo/41178)"Let them keep Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk, and whatever.

The American taxpayer is not obliged to give Ukraine another hundred billion dollars, expect with the corruption there”
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2670 on: February 02, 2025, 09:00:58 PM »

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🚨 REMINDER! To get elected Zelensky promised:

- To end the war
- To negotiate with Putin
- To do everything to prevent even a single death
- To hold a referendum about the peace proposal, so that Ukraine decides and not him
- To not make himself the “smartest”
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2671 on: February 03, 2025, 09:42:19 AM »
An ugly peace seems the most likely as any peace...

Like Israel & Fake Nation ugly...

But who knows...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/everyone-tired-crisis-grows-ukrainian-army-desertions-accelerate

...the Uke's may collapse first...

They don't have radical backers willing to keep funding them...not like the Fake Nation crazies...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2672 on: February 04, 2025, 08:33:43 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/territorial-concessions-might-precede-ceasefire-leads-new-ukrainian-elections

#1 is a bigger deal than 'ol Andy thinks...without a matching withdrawal elsewhere I don't see it...#'s 4 & 5 to me I don't see Z going for...pretty sure moving him out would be a boon for Russia and a kick in the nuts of Z...Z is going to want to be involved and I do not think even the worst of threats from us will move him...

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-mulls-saudi-arabia-uae-possible-venues-putin-trump-summit

I'd rather find something somewhere else too...

Not a fan of the shifty Saud's...UAE tends to like to shelter high-level jihadists, screw rewarding either with a high-level meeting!

How about Singapore?

And this, this is rich!

Oh, this is a little funny.  The vertically challenged Ukrainian president who dresses like a UPS driver, is now likely to make a deal with President Trump where Ukraine puts up their “rare earth minerals” as collateral for taxpayer funds received by the United States.

Previously President Trump remarked that U.S. leadership were “stupid” for not securing Afghanistan future mineral contracts in exchange for U.S. military operations. Talking about the Ukrainian expectation from the oval office earlier today, President Trump outlined his expectations that Volodymyr Zelenskyy put up the rare earth minerals as collateral for continued financial support.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Monday indicated that he wants to reach an agreement with Ukraine to gain access to the country’s rare earth materials as a condition for continuing U.S. support for its war against Russia.

Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, Trump complained that the U.S. had sent more in military and economic assistance to Ukraine than its European partners, adding, “We’re looking to do a deal with Ukraine where they’re going to secure what we’re giving them with their rare earth and other things.”


Trump suggested that he’s received word from the Ukrainian government that they’d be willing to make a deal to give the U.S. access to the elements critical to the modern high-tech economy.

“I want to have security of rare earth,” Trump added. “We’re putting in hundreds of billions of dollars. They have great rare earth. And I want security of the rare earth, and they’re willing to do it.”

Trump, who had previously said he’d bring about a rapid end to the war, said talks are ongoing to bring the conflict to a close.

“We made a lot of progress on Russia, Ukraine,” Trump said. “We’ll see what happens. We’re going to stop that ridiculous war.” (read more)

Always keep in mind, the U.S. spent trillions of dollars in Afghanistan with no strings attached.  We withdrew and China paid a couple billion to the Taliban government, locked in contracts, then took everything. Essentially, China hitched a free-ride on the US-led efforts to stabilize Afghanistan, then locked down all the natural resources.

Fast forward to the era of Trump-T2, and there’s always a possibility President Trump may leave Zelenskyy with his coat, a bible and $200; however, nothing is certain as the Ukraine-Russia negotiations are soon to get underway once the ground starts to thaw.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/02/03/president-trump-demands-collateral-for-taxpayer-money-sent-to-ukraine-rare-earth-minerals-will-suffice/

I'm loving this!  The total opposite of Biden Blundering, totally MAGA magnificence!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2673 on: February 05, 2025, 05:36:03 PM »

I did not watch the Piers Morgan - Ze interview. Apparently the translation was so bad the top 50 comments are about that. I linked to this report.
FUNNY.

https://youtu.be/g-gGEhbkX-0?t=1251
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2674 on: February 05, 2025, 07:48:13 PM »

This is from comments on reddit.
Ukraine will need to change its constitution to accept the terms of any likely peace treaty. So, yes, elections will have to take place before it can amend its constitution. Negotiations are however entirely possible without elections.

Ukraine will need to change its constitution to accept the terms of any likely peace treaty. So, yes, elections will have to take place before it can amend its constitution. Negotiations are however entirely possible without elections.



    So Ukr could have a presidential election under martial law

No. It's the martial law (rather than the Constitution) that prohibits Presidential elections. But the martial law gets renewed by Rada every 90 days; all they need to do is not renew it next time (or temporarily suspend it in order to hold the elections).

    Has the Rada had recent elections? Are they valid members now?

No recent Rada election. Yes, they are still legitimately members of the Rada: according to Article 83 of the Ukrainian Constitution, if the term of the Verkhovna Rada expires under martial law, it will automatically be extended until a new Rada is seated following the end of martial law.

The whole point is that there's no such stipulations in Ukraine's Constitution about the office of the President; and in fact, per Chapter V, Article 103 of the Constitution, the President is only allowed to serve a maximum of two full 5-year terms.


I mean that the Constitution explicitly states that Verkhovna Rada members will serve past their elected terms in case of martial law, until the martial law is lifted and the elections are held - but there's no such stipulation in regards to the President. Conversely, there is a limitation of 2x5-year term for a President (but not for Verkhovna Rada).

As Z man gutted constitutional court to the point of it having not enough members to carry out decisions - no, it cannot.


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2675 on: February 06, 2025, 08:18:20 AM »
Well, in the meantime...Z is smearing Orban...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-funds-left-wing-smear-campaign-oust-hungarys-orban

Reckon that only gets some Euro-thugs excited...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2676 on: February 07, 2025, 09:05:20 AM »
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2677 on: February 09, 2025, 07:35:27 PM »
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/02/09/president-trump-has-begun-discussions-with-president-putin/
 Talks have begun...

Good.  Putin would be well advised not to get too cocky though...  Going to have to be give and take...  Or the meat-grinder goes on and likely grows worse...

Nice pic of Putin...looks about 3 decades old by his face and that ancient phone!   ::hysterical::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2678 on: February 11, 2025, 08:10:20 AM »
WTF is this BS?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-traumatized-troops-could-pose-security-threat-all-europe

I swear Korybko is drinking to much Putin-Punch!

When are troops in any war NOT traumatized?  Were Europeans not traumatized by WWI and WWI and well sh*t go all the way back to feudal times?!

Did Euro's not go all-in in the slaughter in UKraine?  The answer is yes.  Too late to piss and moan, suck it up buttercups!

Idiot, Korybko seems to like to polk Euro's in the eye and forget there is another party in this bloodbath.

Meanwhile Russia, benefiting from NORK troop support is also now benefiting from free healthcare in NK for their wounded in battle...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hundreds-wounded-russian-soldiers-are-being-treated-north-korean-hospitals

Let's not talk about that third party I guess...

Meanwhile, the meat-grinding goes on...

And this from Tucker -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tucker-carlson-accuses-ukraine-reselling-us-supplied-arms-mexican-drug-cartels

Am I surprised there is skimming and black market sales of weapons ammo and equipment?  No.  Happens in every conflict, always...it's a matter of extent.  As to the latter I would like a confirmation, I suspect it isn't much hitting the Mexican cartels, not when compared to the fracking Chi-Com's or what The Kenyan's gun-runner (AG Holder) gave those MFer's!

And this...well, this is so stupid it is hilarious!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/02/10/zelenskyy-says-if-ukraine-holds-elections-they-will-lose-the-war-to-russia/

He has the American toxic-leftist view of democracy...to save it and save the nation, it must be suspended at all costs! 

 ::hysterical::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2679 on: February 11, 2025, 11:51:15 AM »
At least one thing has changed...

https://gellerreport.com/2025/02/trump-says-ukraine-has-agreed-to-hand-over-500-million-rare-earth-metals-to-u-s-for-military-aid.html/

Under the Biden-Harris reign of terror only the Biden Crime Family got rich...at least now the nation is getting something...

Just need to multiply that $500M by a big number like 4,000 to get closer to break-even...
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