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Title: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2011, 11:50:50 AM
IMO, if you see somebody assaulting a boy and you don't kick the guys ass senseless, you are a piss poor representative of a normal adult male.  Not reporting it to police is the second most damaging failure of manhood. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=2&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=2&hp)

IMO Paterno has been nothing but a figurehead of late, and as this case indicates, has been a figurehead since the 90's...he should have all of his victories from this time forward expunged from the record books.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: AlanS on November 08, 2011, 04:35:58 PM
At his advanced age, I don't think he could kick his way out of wet paper bag, but he STILL could have reported it to the cops since the AD didn't do didley squat.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2011, 06:45:58 AM
The grad asst did squat and he told his father who did squat other than tell Paterno, who promptly did nothing but tell his boss...and the janitor didn't do squat.  The latter said he feared losing his job!  Huh?  How can you lose your job for reporting a crime to the cops?  Who would blame anybody for kicking this losers ass before the cops got there?  And, hey, do you really want to work somewhere were it is OK to rape kids?  Is that really a job you want?  But I guess this janitor has dementia now, so he may be the only one lucking out on this sorry story.  There are at least 7 adults who failed to man-up about this, Paterno included.  They should all be gone, period.

This story brings up a lot of anger in me.  A long time ago before I joined the Navy I had a new friend I only knew for about 2 years.  I joined up in late September, the previous month my friend wanted me to stay with him at his home for a while, so I did.  He was a quiet but good natured kid with a sarcastic sense of humor and we got along fine.  His mother was kind of mousey and detached.  It was obvious she didn't take as active a role in her sons affairs as she should, and relied upon her husband, who was a stepfather to my friend.  I stayed a couple weeks and then he dropped me off and an hour or so later he was dead.  I won't go into the particulars of the death, but suffice it to say he probably felt compelled to a course of action no kid should ever have to contemplate.  I heard about it a week later and attended the service, hugged his mother and shook hands with his stepfather.

I think it was a full 2 years later when I came home on leave for a month that my mother told me the whole sordid story.  My Friend was being sexually abused by his stepfather, his mother knew about it and did nothing.  It is obvious he wanted me around at the time to prevent his stepfather from grabbing him.  I had a hair-trigger temper then and if I had known what was going on...well, I'd probably still be in prison for murder.  No way I could answer the parole board with anything other than "hell no!" if asked if I "feel remorse for what I've done"!  Looking back at it I think there were times when my friend seemed like he wanted to tell me something, but couldn't.  I suppose it is a nightmare trying to think how to tell somebody something so horrible.  I wish he could have found a way...I spent many hours over preceding years wonder what I could have done different, but I there isn't anything I could have possibly done.  I just wish I could have found out in time and put an end to it.  One of the few regrets I have is not being able to do something.  I vowed ever since that I will never miss an opportunity to help a kid, never.

Everybody at Penn State involved in this issue needs to go and if guilty of covering it up they should be nailed to the wall.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 09, 2011, 08:03:15 AM
At first I had a tough time grasping why Paterno was getting all the crap he was getting.  It was only later I heard that Paterno knew second hand what Sandusky was all about, but also letting Sandusky come back to campus, and continue to use Paterno's locker room to entice and bugger more children!

That makes Paterno a willing accomplice, and subject to criminal charges.

That grad assistant should also be jailed for just walking by, and letting a horrible crime continue to happen.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2011, 08:07:24 AM
I agree, it was confusing at first and having heard sandusky was let go along time ago I was like "why is this coming out now"?  Then I hear they let this idiot back on campus and Paterno was told by the grad asst and his father (all family friends!) about this, Paterno's detachment become less detached in this case.  The janitor also witnessed an earlier incident and did nothing.  The whole thing is just sick and none of these 7 or so involved behaved like real men!  I condemn them all!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 09, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
Let me start by saying I am no fan of Penn State.
I usually root for Pitt and whoever is playing Penn State (unless it's Notre Dame, then I don't know)

Unless you've been around Happy Valley, you can't truly realize how much football influences everything there.
Paterno is a god.
Rumor is this will get him to resign. It should.
But, I will be mildly surprised if he does
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 09, 2011, 08:58:35 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575 (http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575)

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 09, 2011, 09:27:58 AM
AP Source: Paterno to retire at end of season (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9QT9A983&show_article=1)

I say no way.  He will be crucified on opposing fields.  Hell, probably at home, also.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2011, 11:08:07 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575 (http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575)

 ::facepalm::

Yeah, heard about that book this morning...

 ::speechless::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2011, 11:12:13 AM
AP Source: Paterno to retire at end of season (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9QT9A983&show_article=1)

I say no way.  He will be crucified on opposing fields.  Hell, probably at home, also.

Agreed.  How many Rape-U taunts etc does he think he can stand to hear?  They go to Madison on the 26th, that crowd will be merciless.  And they already lost the top recruit in the state over this, more to follow.  They will be tarnished for quite a while...

 ::smallestviolin::

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 09, 2011, 11:19:28 AM
This is disgusting behavior by these men who did nothing.

If I'd seen it I would have been screaming bloody murder and calling the cops at the same time.  If one of my kids had come home with a story like this we'd been calling the cops not the coach or the school!

My next call would have been to the media (and a lawyer in anticipation of the accusations hurled at me).

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 09, 2011, 10:12:08 PM

On Sandusky and This Nation of Cowards
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - November 8, AD 2011 8:09 PM MST

I read the grand jury report on Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky and couldn't believe what I was reading. I'm not going to link to it because it is awful. If you want to read it you can find it yourself. It wasn't the fact that Sandusky was a pedophile that was so shocking. We all know about the horror of pedophilia and that it exists in the world. No, what really shook me were the actions of the people around Sandusky - and two of those people in particular.

One was a 28 year old (at the time) graduate assistant in the Penn State football program. He testified before the grand jury, and the grand jury found him to be "extremely credible". This grad assistant testified that he literally walked in on Sandusky anally raping a ten year old boy in the Penn State football locker room showers. Right in the middle of the act itself. He even testified that both Sandusky and the child turned and looked at him - in the middle of the rape act.

What did this grad assistant do? He ran away. He ran away from a child in the midst of being raped. The next day he went to Joe Paterno's house and told Joe Paterno what he saw. In this we have the proof that Joe Paterno KNEW what Sandusky was, and he basically let it slide. For this, Joe Paterno deserves not only to lose his job, but he also deserves to spend some time in prison. Aw, but he's a kind old man. That may be. But that "kind old man" let a man whom he KNEW to be a child rapist have the run of his football facility until JUST LAST WEEK.

What should Joe Paterno have done, you may ask? Well, let's look to history. Have you ever noticed, or thought it strange, that there is no significant mention of child rapists in the courts or prisons in Western Civilization up until about 100 years ago? Why do you think this is? Is it because sex crimes against children are a recent invention? No. The difference is that up until recently, society was healthy enough that it was able to police itself when necessary. When men were caught, and I mean CAUGHT IN THE ACT, like Sandusky, of raping a child, justice was carried out almost instantaneously. There was no need to involve the courts and humiliate and further traumatize the poor child. The crime was eyewitnessed, and the penalty was an absolute given. And so, the men of the community would discreetly either shoot or hang the pedophile. And it was over. The child could move on, and the men in the community moved on secure in the knowledge that the pedophile would never harm another child, with most of the community remaining unscandalized having known nothing about it, and the pedophile, knowing that he was about to die, was also afforded the mercy of the knowledge and understanding of the urgent need for his repentance and to earnestly beg God's forgiveness before he died. This was, by far, the best possible outcome for all concerned.

But what do we do today? Apparently, most people do nothing. They are too narcissistic, too greedy, and too cowardly to act, even if it means to save a child who is being raped. Joe Paterno was more concerned with his reputation and Penn State's reputation, and so he watered down Sandusky's crime to mere "horseplay" and let it slide. Joe Paterno spent YEARS sitting in meetings, palling around, back-slapping, glad-handing and socializing with a man he KNEW to be a child rapist. He didn't even call the police. The mind reels. And I'll say it again: Paterno should spend some time in prison, as should anyone who aids and abets a pedophile.

Now back to the grad assistant. He wasn't alone. There was another instance in exactly the same showers when a janitor walked in on Sandusky orally raping another young boy of about 11 years of age. This janitor was so shaken by the grotesquery of what he had seen, even remarking to his co-workers that it was far worse than the intense combat carnage he saw in Vietnam, that his co-workers thought the man was going to have a heart attack. But again, what did the janitor do upon catching Sandusky? He RAN AWAY. He didn't try to stop any of it. He just ran.

And this is a microcosm of the problem with our culture and why it is collapsing. There is evil in the world, and up until recently, we Christians had the strength and moral authority to not just confront evil, but to literally run at it in a full battle charge when we came across it. That is what we are supposed to do. Those men should have each rushed Sandusky and then either beat him into unconsciousness or broken his arms and legs, thus immobilizing him. They should have then covered and secured the child, and then called 911. But these men were so cowed by their own self-absorption, with both admitting to have feared for their respective positions at the time, that they literally ran away from a child in the midst of being brutally raped.

This is a sick and yet pristine allegory for what is happening to this culture on a macro scale today. We SEE what those "in power", like Sandusky, are doing. We keep catching them in flagrante dilecto and are so overcome with fear, so far removed from Christ and His strength, that we do NOTHING. We slink away into the shadows of self-preservation. And more children are slaughtered. And more Mexican civilians are killed. And more money is stolen. And more mosques are built.

And so, to finish out the allegory, I am the janitor who came around that corner and saw the child being raped, and instead of running away and keeping my job, I bayonet-charged the rapist like a mercenary honey badger. There is no guarantee that I will be successful. My enemies are now simultaneously the Obama regime and the entire muslim death cult.

BUT, can you IMAGINE how those two boys felt when they saw a man there who could save them, and then seeing that man run away? The wound from that might have been worse than the wound from Sandusky himself. Those boys knew Sandusky was a pervert. What must have been hell for them was trying to figure out why the men who COULD have saved them, didn't. Being abandoned is far, far worse than being violently attacked. You can get your head around being violently attacked - the violent attacker wants something from you. Abandonment simply says, "You're not worth it." Even if those men had just stood there and screamed at Sandusky, at least those boys would have known that someone gave a crap about them.

I guess you could say that what I'm doing between my private war against islam and my tax strike is trying to leave a record that someone actually gave a crap.

Sorry to have conceitedly worked myself into the allegory, but the "put yourself in those shoes" lesson about cowardice jumped out at me as being very instructive. Pray for Sandusky's victims, which as of this writing are now numbered at over twenty boys. There will likely be more, as Sandusky was a stone-cold predator who had plenty of people "throwing blocks" for him.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2011, 10:19:14 PM
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BUT, can you IMAGINE how those two boys felt when they saw a man there who could save them, and then seeing that man run away? The wound from that might have been worse than the wound from Sandusky himself. Those boys knew Sandusky was a pervert. What must have been hell for them was trying to figure out why the men who COULD have saved them, didn't. Being abandoned is far, far worse than being violently attacked.

I was considering this just today.  It resonates for reasons having to do with my own experiences.

I'm of the type that couldn't NOT react, even at my personal expense.

Cowards.  Evil-indulging cowards.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 09, 2011, 11:27:47 PM
they ran...

i can't get my head around that....



Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on November 10, 2011, 12:12:26 AM
The evil present in this story is monumental.

It is as big as Penn State University itself and it must be destroyed.

Consider: Apart from the morally reprehensible behavior that is walking away from a rape in progress rather than confronting it directly there is the cover up.

So let's discuss the cover up.

Paterno knew. The athletic director knew. The university president knew. It is completely reasonable to believe that if these people knew then several other people in positions of authority and responsibility also knew what was going on.

And yet they did nothing. These people made a conscious decision to do absolutely nothing about a child rapist sodomizing children on university property for literally years after it came to their attention.

Why?

The only reasonable conclusion that I can come to is that they didn't want to instigate an investigation that would in any way tarnish the football program and reduce the flow of money that came with it. In other words: They weighed the relative costs and decided that millions of dollars of college football money was more important than the souls of the children who were being raped in their midst.

This is what I hope happens to Penn State...

I hope that the victims of Sandusky and Penn State authorities get a really, really good legal team. I hope that the victims pursue a lawsuit against the university and go after the school's endowment in general and the money earned by the football program during Sandusky's time at the university in particular. And that time should extend right up to the moment he was banned from the campus a few days ago.

I hope that the NCAA uses the death penalty to end Penn State's football program. Certainly this is a far worse situation than point shaving or recruiting violations. If the NCAA won't use the death penalty for this then they are a joke.

I hope that criminal charges are pursued against everyone involved. Yes, the grad student. Yes, Paterno. Yes, the university president. Yes, to every adult who knew what was going on and did nothing. Each and every one of them are accomplices after the fact to a felony. They all need to be prosecuted with extreme prejudice.

Penn State has sold its soul and worshipped at the alter of college football, sacrificing the innocent souls of these children for money. For a game.

This is pure, unadulterated evil and it should be utterly destroyed.


Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on November 10, 2011, 12:25:52 AM
BTW...

The contact information for the NCAA is:

The National Collegiate Athletic Association
700 W. Washington Street
P.O. Box 6222
Indianapolis, Indiana 46206-6222
Phone: 317/917-6222
Fax: 317/917-6888

I get really, really annoyed with chain emails that show up in my inbox but I would be willing to make an exception for one that has this as its subject. The NCAA needs to be seriously lobbied by the public to punish the Penn State football program with the death penalty. Consider sending out an email about this to those in your contact list.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 10, 2011, 06:19:55 AM
No final victory lap around the Big Ten (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204358004577027923277309662.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLETopStories)

The above several posts amplified by these people thinking Paterno could actually continue coaching.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2011, 06:34:54 AM
Heard those Penn St students rallying around Paterno last night...pretty sad they place one man and a football program above the welfare of young boys...pretty much tells you all you need to know about how far we've declined as a society.  

"We're seeing students shouting at each other in classrooms,"

Yup, the culture wars are being played out in microcosm in Penn St, and sure to roil around the nation.

Ann's screed is dead on the money.

And McQueary, the current WR coach who was the aforementioned grad asst at the time of the second witnessed event, is still on the team I believe. Why?

I think a lot of what Trap is looking for is going to happen.  Sandusky is going to do time, Curley & Schultz are in deep crap on perjury charges, Paterno is not out of the woods given his "hindsight" comments last night and all these individuals and the university are sure to be the targets of multiple civil cases.  I don't know about the Death Penalty, this is not a football event, no recruiting violations etc, so I am not so sure a lot can be done on that score, but even if these are not sanctionable events for the existing NCAA rules, they clearly have to make some sort of statement.

This isn't over by any stretch.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 10, 2011, 07:07:16 AM
Well, we're going to find out if trading swag for tattoos are worse crimes in the NCAA than aiding and abetting child rape. 

We're going to find out what's worse, having a cookout for a prospective player, or raping that players little brother.

It's time I find out whether or not I'm going to cosign the NCAA to my personal dustbin of supporting history with pro sports.

I'm really getting tired of everything I love in life becoming corrupted by leftism, or the general culture rot in this country.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2011, 07:41:07 AM
Well, we're going to find out if trading swag for tattoos are worse crimes in the NCAA than aiding and abetting child rape. 

We're going to find out what's worse, having a cookout for a prospective player, or raping that players little brother.

It's time I find out whether or not I'm going to cosign the NCAA to my personal dustbin of supporting history with pro sports.

I'm really getting tired of everything I love in life becoming corrupted by leftism, or the general culture rot in this country.

Well said.

!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on November 10, 2011, 07:53:48 AM
From an article (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/11/09/paterno-to-retire-after-season/) published prior to his termination.

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Players said Paterno was emotional when he announced his decision. Many said it was the first time they have seen him cry.

Now he cries.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on November 10, 2011, 08:01:26 AM
And the students riot. (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20111110_Bedlam_erupts_on_campus.html)


PSU Students Flip WTAJ News Van at Riot 11/9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZMPdq0xwWg#ws)


Priorities.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 10, 2011, 10:03:47 AM
I got into a heated argument with someone last night about this. 

This is someone who likes to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, not someone who worships college football.


He tried to argue that Paterno wasn't told exactly what happened--only about rough housing.  I said even that should have been enough to get Sandusky tossed.  A grown man inapporpriately rough housing with a ten yeat old in the locker room?  That doesn't sound suspicious?

Then he said well Paterno is old he probably didn't understand the situation.   ::gaah:: 


He tried to argue that Paterno met his responsibility by telling his boss. Not good enough. If his boss did nothing he should have followed up on it as should have the grad student and anyone he told.

He said that he'd feel his only responsibilty would be to tell his boss.  I said no, that doesn't get you off the hook.  You have a responsibility to follow up.  He said in the day and age I could get sued for making such an accusation. 

"Doing the right thing often requires risk.  You still do the right thing."  Then I added that if he ever wimped out on such an issue and did nothing I would make sure he suffered.

I talked to this man all the time, he loves his family and is a hard worker who considers himself conservative.  But he's like so many others I encounter who don't even know they've been indoctrinated with progressive, liberal, new age garbage.

Then I watch the news late last night and see the story on the Penn St riots.  Are you kidding me?  One student was offended that Paterno was fired over the phone, another didn't think 40 years should go down the drain.

They should be rioting that their school covered it up.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2011, 10:07:41 AM
"They should be rioting that their school covered it up."

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 10, 2011, 10:08:26 AM
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And the students riot.

Minds of mush.

As I said before, I am no fan of Penn State.
Yet, it's sad that his legacy has to end like this due to, at a minimum, a lapse in judgement.

In no way do I mean to diminish the effect this lapse of judgement had on how many young kids.

(This is weird. I fnd I'm actually sort of defending the guy.)
As an armchair quarterback, it's easy to say what we would have done in his shoes.

It sounds like he did meet his legal obligation just not his moral one
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 10:09:33 AM

All around us the rotted moral core of this nation is being illustrated.
There are those who see and those who see nothing.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 10, 2011, 10:36:53 AM

As an armchair quarterback, it's easy to say what we would have done in his shoes.

It sounds like he did meet his legal obligation just not his moral one

Yes, for me it is easy.  I've had to draw a line in the sand and defend myself (not on an issue like this thankfully).  It's not comfortable but I can't live any other way.  I know what I would do.

If someone told me they saw a child being raped I wouldn't be satisfied with just telling my boss. You better believe I wouldn't drop it until the cops were involved.

The legal issues:

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Under Pennsylvania’s Child Protective Services Law, a wide range of professionals who come in contact with children and have a “reasonable cause to suspect” that a child in the care of their organization has been abused are required to report it or face criminal charges.
 
The law was tightened in 2007 after a 2005 grand jury report into a sexual abuse scandal at the Catholic archdiocese of Philadelphia. That report revealed that pastors of parishes knew of incidents of child sexual abuse by priests.
 
But because the pastors did not hear from the children directly, they did not report the incidents because they had been advised they were not required to, according to Frank Cervone, executive director for the Support Center for Child Advocates.
 
At that point, the legislature intervened and the law no longer requires the child to come forward.
 
In the case of Curley and Schultz, the toughened standards may not make a difference because the events occurred in 2002, before the changes were made to the law. As a result, Curley and Schultz may argue they had no legal duty to report the allegations because the child did not report the offense to them, said Cathleen Palm, executive director of Protect Our Children Committee.
 
“It is possible that we now know was a major loophole in our law was at play in this particular case,” Palm said.
 
According to the grand jury report, Paterno called Curley the day after hearing the allegations from the eyewitness. About a week and a half later, the eyewitness was called to a meeting with Curley and Schultz where he recounted what he had seen.
 
Under that version of events, Paterno appeared to fulfill his obligation under the law, Cervone said.
 
“A subordinate can discharge his mandatory reporting responsibility by reporting to his boss,” Cervone said.
 
At a news conference on Monday, Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly appeared to back up that view when she said that Paterno is not a target of its investigation.
 
“He had a responsibility to report the incident to the school authorities and he did it,” said Kelly.
 
While Paterno appeared to fulfill his legal duty after being told about the locker room incident, that should not end the scrutiny of Paterno’s actions, Palm said.

reuters story here (http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Football+Penn+State+case+puts+spotlight+Pennsylvania+child+abuse+reporting/5682806/story.html#ixzz1dJx6d0id)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2011, 11:19:36 AM
At what point did any of these people think the actions they took stopped the abusive behavior being inflicted upon these kids?  If you answer anything that casts doubt on that answer you have failed utterly!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on November 10, 2011, 11:25:17 AM
At this point, this next post is just a RUMOR!

But if true, this story is about to get worse...if that's possible.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11 (http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11)
http://www.blippitt.com/rumor-jerry-sandusky-pimped-out-second-mile-boys-to-penn-state-donors-audio/ (http://www.blippitt.com/rumor-jerry-sandusky-pimped-out-second-mile-boys-to-penn-state-donors-audio/)
http://guyism.com/sports/jerry-sandusky-pimped-out-boys-in-second-mike-to-penn-state-donors.html (http://guyism.com/sports/jerry-sandusky-pimped-out-boys-in-second-mike-to-penn-state-donors.html)
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html)

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In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.

On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.

What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.

"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"

Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
 ::speechless::

If any part of that allegation is true, this University might as well shut down and get bulldozed!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 11:52:43 AM

And salted with lime and lye.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Pandora on November 10, 2011, 12:00:37 PM
::speechless::

If any part of that allegation is true, this University might as well shut down and get bulldozed!

If this had been done after Penn's phony investigation "exonerated" Michael Mann and his glowball warmink hockey stick graph, Sandusky et. al. would have been stopped much earlier.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Sectionhand on November 10, 2011, 12:48:11 PM
All in all , I still feel bad for Joe . This is a hell of a sad ending to a fine career .
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2011, 02:21:32 PM
Another odd story...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html)

Is Penn St run by the mob?

 ::whatgives::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 02:52:11 PM

Maybe that's why they all put it in file 13.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 10, 2011, 02:57:25 PM
Heard about this on Rush's show today--

Penn State Makes A Banana-Flavored Jerry Sandusky Ice Cream (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/05/penn-state-makes-a-banana-flavored-jerry-sandusky-ice-cream/)

picture of the ice cream dish at link





Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 10, 2011, 03:02:54 PM
Another odd story...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html)

Is Penn St run by the mob?

 ::whatgives::

Wow.

Quote
...This district attorney had “a bitter taste in his mouth for the [Penn State] program, and its coach,” according to his nephew, and never prosecuted Sandusky. He disappeared on April 15, 2005 after telling his girlfriend that he was going on a drive.

Ray Gricar’s car was found the next day in a Lewisburg parking lot and his laptop, sans hard drive, was found in the Susquehanna River, according to the Patriot-News.

Ray Gricar’s friend, Montour County District Attorney Robert Buehner Jr., told the New York Times that if the ardent district attorney had committed suicide, he would have wanted his body found. But in the case of possible foul play, no suspects have emerged from investigations.

When it comes to the Sandusky case, friends and former co-workers are all of the opinion that Ray Gricar would never back down from a righteous prosecution.

“No one got a bye with Ray,” Anthony De Boef, who was an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years told the NY Times. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”

And, despite the fact that Ray Gricar had the mother of one of the alleged victims confront Sandusky while police listened, the 1998 report on Sandusky was labeled “unfounded” by the District Attorney’s Office, reports the Patriot-News.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 10, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
And now this?

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html)

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on November 10, 2011, 04:11:12 PM
http://deadspin.com/5858394/ (http://deadspin.com/5858394/)

Quote
And now one reason there might be something—something—to this. Here's a text exchange I had with a journalist in Pittsburgh:

Him: FYI, he ain't bluffing here.

Me: How do you know?

Him: I don't know for sure. I just know he is confident in what he has.

Me: He's also a professional troll who loves attention. He's going on radio stations all over the country today.

Him: Separate his on-air persona with journalistic chops. Mark was a hell of a reporter. Don't dismiss him.

Me: We have the audio of his comments. He calls it a rumor.

Him: Fair. I know Mark well. I just have a very strong feeling he's not bluffing here.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 09:16:23 PM

Radio also said (hints, rumors, and innuendos)Paterno would
sometimes spend a little too long a time helping massage the players.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on November 11, 2011, 01:34:19 AM
I heard a caller on a talk radio show today float the idea that Paterno might have been a participant in Sandusky's boy bordello. That would explain all those years of looking the other way.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 11, 2011, 03:54:08 AM
I heard a caller on a talk radio show today float the idea that Paterno might have been a participant in Sandusky's boy bordello. That would explain all those years of looking the other way.

Given the horror of what's been allowed to go on there, it's natural for the mind to go there.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2011, 06:24:26 AM
There is this fallout...

http://www.whptv.com/content/Sandusky/story/Casey-and-Toomey-rescind-support-for-Medal-of/lnN48owJOEC7iqRo5VD9iA.cspx (http://www.whptv.com/content/Sandusky/story/Casey-and-Toomey-rescind-support-for-Medal-of/lnN48owJOEC7iqRo5VD9iA.cspx)

Wonder if he'll be kicked out of the College Football Hall of Fame?

Heard on the radio this AM that he hired the lawyer who Bush Sr had back during Iran-Contra flap, see no link for it yet though.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2011, 07:14:32 AM
And star informer won't be at game...out of fear for his safety...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/10/us-usa-crime-coach-police-idUSTRE7A978520111110 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/10/us-usa-crime-coach-police-idUSTRE7A978520111110)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 11, 2011, 07:29:30 AM
$61,000 is going price it takes to get a program the death penalty. 

Are the innocence of multiple small children worth $61,000?
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2011, 07:41:30 AM
And good kids are few and far between in Happy Valley...here is one who tires to speak out...and most just jeer him...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/penn-st-student-stands-up-to-angry-classmates-its-not-about-joe-paterno/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/penn-st-student-stands-up-to-angry-classmates-its-not-about-joe-paterno/)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Sectionhand on November 11, 2011, 09:39:16 AM
I wonder how Sandusky's going to feel about being " The Boogie-Woogie Bugger-Boy Of Cell Block B " !  ::puke::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Pandora on November 11, 2011, 03:21:22 PM
Jonah Goldberg (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/282929/right-riot-cemented-campus-culture-jonah-goldberg) ....

Quote
‘Of course we’re going to riot,” Paul Howard, a 24-year-old aerospace-engineering student at Penn State University, told the New York Times. “What do they expect when they tell us at 10 o’clock that they fired our football coach?”

...

Perhaps that’s why a “right to riot” has become a staple of campus culture across the country, particularly at big schools. Students riot when administrators take away their beer. They riot when they lose games. They riot when they win games. They riot when the cops try to break up parties. Inconvenience itself has become outrageous.

I believe he has a point here, one I hadn't considered: riots have become part of the "college experience" -- as much as the "hooking up", the binge-drinking and shouting-down of unacceptable viewpoints.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on November 11, 2011, 09:33:52 PM
I wonder how Sandusky's going to feel about being " The Boogie-Woogie Bugger-Boy Of Cell Block B " !  ::puke::

 That's too good for him,nothing short of his skin nailed to a barn door is enough. That sob needs to be given to general population. As for did anybody know what was going on there you bet you butts they did !!The whole damned football community knew about him. That's why nobody hired or tried to hire him after he was let go all the coaches knew and kept it quiet.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 11, 2011, 10:03:02 PM

Our red brothers had techniques fitting for
him and all the associated.  They probably
had appropriate techniques for those that
ran from their responsibility also. ::wartomtoms::



Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 11, 2011, 11:35:10 PM
Penn State should be placed under a *ban.

Quote
I'm Considering Relocating to Sodom . . .
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - November 10, AD 2011 11:35 AM MST

. . . because I'm absolutely convinced that this culture, right now, today, is WORSE than Sodom or Gomorrah ever were. Sodom would be a step up.

It is now all over the internet that Sandusky was running a high-dollar pedophile ring, and that "Second Mile" was merely a front and means of recruiting and enslaving young boys who were then pimped to wealthy Penn State donors for sex.

Penn State should be shut down. Not just the football program - the entire university. Shut it down immediately. Any student of Penn State with any sense should be making arrangements to transfer to another university, because graduating from Penn State would necessitate that said person list Penn State on their resume, which will now be a major, major strike against that person. Why? Because they knowingly entered and subsidized a cult that worshiped an old man who "coached" a football team. And, as it turns out, that old man facilitated and enabled a massive pedophile ring. Further, said students, even after learning of this and seeing that "old man" fired, RIOTED last night IN SUPPORT OF THE CULT LEADER / PEDOPHILE RING ENABLER.

TIMELINE:

1998: Sandusky is investigated for an incident involving himself sexually assaulting a young boy in the Penn State showers. Child Protective Services investigate. The university is fully notified.

1999: Sandusky, age 55, is suddenly forced into retirement at his prime, when all previous indications were that he was the heir-apparent to Paterno, who was 72 years old at the time. The retirement package is now thought to have been in exchange for Penn State covering up Sandusky's pedophilia. Sandusky's pedophilia is being called a "poorly kept secret" in the world of Division I football, which explains why one of the top coaches in the nation was not even offered any other position after Penn State.

2000: Despite being retired from Penn State and no longer being in the employment of Penn State or Paterno, Sandusky has unfettered access to the Penn State facilities and travels with the team. In the fall of 2000 a janitor catches Sandusky orally raping a young boy in the football team's showers after hours. Sandusky OBVIOUSLY had keys and passcards which gave him full access despite being no longer "employed" by PSU or Paterno.

2002: Sandusky is caught AGAIN in the showers, this time anally raping a young boy, and is caught by Mike McQueary, who is now an assistant coach. Sandusky STILL has keys and passcards to PSU facilities.

2009: Grand jury investigation begins after a 15 year old boy reported Sandusky to police. Penn State top brass, including Paterno, are called to testify. Sandusky is still seen using PSU football facilities.

Week of 10/30-11/5, 2011: Sandusky is seen working out in a PSU football weight room.

They all knew. Not only that, but Sandusky felt "safe" using the PSU football facilities and showers as his rape room, and was indeed caught repeatedly with zero consequences. Think about that. Sandusky was CAUGHT red handed in the showers sexually assaulting boys in 1998 and 2000, and there was even an investigation as a result of the 1998 incident, and yet Sandusky still felt so "safe" at PSU that he continued to bring boys there to be raped. He continued to hang around the team and be seen in the near-constant company of young boys. Sandusky's confidence is extremely telling.

Penn State should be shut down, and anyone who knew about this should be facing down multi-decade prison sentences. Paterno should die in prison.

Pedophiles should be executed. Justice, in charity, demands it. Find every single participant in the "Second Mile" pedophile ring and let justice be done swiftly upon him.

UPDATE: POSSIBLE MURDER LINKAGE?

The Centre County District Attorney who sparred with Penn State over Sandusky, but never prosecuted, was murdered in 2005. Ray Gricar's empty car was found in a parking lot on April 16, 2005, and his laptop, missing its hard drive, was found nearby in the Susquehanna River. Gricar's body has never been found, and he was declared dead earlier this year.

Pedophile and sex slavery rings are some of the most dangerous, powerful and wealthy criminal organizations in the world.

Citation here. (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html)

*uncompromising consecration of property and dedication of the property to God without possibility of recall or redemption
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 12, 2011, 07:06:05 AM
There are things Ann has said that I haven't seen before, Charles
If correct, there is more gasoline on the fire.

Now, will Penn State's institutional power keep this covered up in the media as well as the courts?
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Sectionhand on November 12, 2011, 02:03:16 PM

Our red brothers had techniques fitting for
him and all the associated.  They probably
had appropriate techniques for those that
ran from their responsibility also. ::wartomtoms::





What about " Little Gay Wrist " in " Little Big Man " ?
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 12, 2011, 05:25:53 PM

Our red brothers had techniques fitting for
him and all the associated.  They probably
had appropriate techniques for those that
ran from their responsibility also. ::wartomtoms::

Ha!
I was thinking more along the lines of stakes, honey and ants.






What about " Little Gay Wrist " in " Little Big Man " ?
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2011, 11:42:44 AM
http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer (http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer)

 ::facepalm::

Apparently she has scrubbed The Second Mile from her profile...gosh, I wonder why?

http://www.centreinjurylaw.com/Bio/LeslieDutchcot.asp (http://www.centreinjurylaw.com/Bio/LeslieDutchcot.asp)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 14, 2011, 01:13:20 PM
A dishonest Personal Injury Attorney...who'd have guessed?  ::thinking::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2011, 07:26:55 AM
Sandusky just opened his mouth and put himself at the time and place of the crime, sure makes the job easier for the prosecution, now all they have to do is quibble over the nature of the crimes!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-admits-to-showering-with-boys/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-admits-to-showering-with-boys/1)

"He was also asked if he was sexually attracted to young boys.  'I enjoy being around children,' Sandusky said. 'I enjoy their enthusiasm. I just have a good time with them.' "

 ::speechless::

"I have horsed around with kids I have showered after workouts."

 ::outrage::

Release this fool into general population after his conviction, there is nothing lower in prison hierarchy than child molesters, he is in for some rough days before the Almighty deals with him!

PS-There has been some discussion over the nature of the Grand Jury transcripts with regard to what McQueary may or may not have done after witnessing the event he saw, the Grand Jury is not tasked with generating evidence on the scale required in trials, but if McQueary did put a stop to what he saw why would the AG not allow that information to come out?  It would be a disservice to McQueary if he did act and the AG withheld that information, given the heated atmosphere surrounding this case and the involvement of young boys at the center of it all.  It could be there is nothing to report, which would justify those of us upset with a lack of response for someone witnessing such a horrific scene, or there is a gag order from the AG's office to all concerned, we will not know one way or the other until the trial phase begins...I hope for the sake of the boys and secondarily for McQueary that the latter did act in some fashion after witnessing what he saw.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on November 15, 2011, 07:49:13 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RSdr9zeutK (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RSdr9zeutK)

Quote
The lawyer for accused pedophile and former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky reportedly impregnated a teenage girl more than a decade ago.

Joe Amendola, 63, was the attorney for Mary Iavasile’s emancipation petition from Sept. 3, 1996, which was filed just weeks before her 17th birthday, according to Centre County Courthouse documents obtained by iPad newspaper The Daily.

That’s approximately when Iavasile became pregnant with Amendola’s child, her mother, Janet Iavasile, told The Daily.

Birds of a feather...and all that.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 15, 2011, 08:02:03 AM
Sounds like Morgan Freeman is up for the part of Joe Amendola in "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Movie."

Birds of a feather...and all that.

Speaking of birds of a feather, at least Sandusky will have possible employment after getting out of prison.  I understand Massachusetts Cape Cod area is into the Sandusky type.  As long as Sandusky is smart enough to not bugger them on US soil, that is, as these residents give bonus points to guys that whisk their children out of the country, to molest.

Birds of a feather...and all that.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2011, 08:18:08 AM
Sounds like Morgan Freeman is up for the part of Joe Amendola in "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Movie."

 ::laughonfloor::

OMG that there is funny!  (Still trying to get Gatorade out of my nose!)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on November 15, 2011, 08:25:57 AM
(http://floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/111113_Jerry_Sandusky_t618.jpg)



   H/T RickZ
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on November 15, 2011, 08:55:02 AM
I wonder when Nambla will step in and offer to help pay his legal fees...

...maybe Nambla can become the new ACLU!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on November 15, 2011, 12:49:08 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730)

Quote
At one point, about seven minutes into the interview and after Costas asked Sandusky about the 40-count indictment he faces for sexually abusing boys over a 15-year period, and Sandusky replies that he is innocent of those charges, Costas asks Sandusky if he fits the classic MO of a pedophile.

Sandusky's reply at the 19:01:01:00 mark of the interview is perhaps the most damning of the entire session:

"Well -- you might think that," Sandusky said. "I don't know. (LAUGHS) In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2011, 01:42:17 PM
"And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped."

Yeah, not every!

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on November 15, 2011, 01:48:30 PM
Yeah, that's the implication here Libertas! Not every...just every other!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on November 15, 2011, 01:50:36 PM
Of course, this is pretty telling too:

Quote
"Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?"

"Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?" Sandusky repeats.

"Yes," Costas answers.

"Sexually attracted, you know, I -- I enjoy young people," Sandusky says. "I -- I love to be around them. I -- I -- but no I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

Seems to me a simple 'yes' or 'no' would have been a pretty good answer here...

It's almost like his lawyer is trying to get this guy convicted.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2011, 01:51:38 PM
Of course, this is pretty telling too:

Quote
"Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?"

"Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?" Sandusky repeats.

"Yes," Costas answers.

"Sexually attracted, you know, I -- I enjoy young people," Sandusky says. "I -- I love to be around them. I -- I -- but no I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

Seems to me a simple 'yes' or 'no' would have been a pretty good answer here...

It's almost like his lawyer is trying to get this guy convicted.


 ::hysterical::

Works for me!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 15, 2011, 03:28:34 PM
Of course, this is pretty telling too:

Quote
"Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?"

"Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?" Sandusky repeats.

"Yes," Costas answers.

"Sexually attracted, you know, I -- I enjoy young people," Sandusky says. "I -- I love to be around them. I -- I -- but no I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

Seems to me a simple 'yes' or 'no' would have been a pretty good answer here...

It's almost like his lawyer is trying to get this guy convicted.


 ::hysterical::

Works for me!

I heard this excerpt today and the guy sounded like he was just asked if he liked ice cream.  I think if I was accused of a horrendous crime like he has been I would've sounded a little more outraged and be more assertive about my innocence.  Which leads me to wonder if this guy is a sociopath who has no feelings towards others beyond what he can get from them.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2011, 06:38:12 AM
Of course, this is pretty telling too:

Quote
"Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?"

"Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?" Sandusky repeats.

"Yes," Costas answers.

"Sexually attracted, you know, I -- I enjoy young people," Sandusky says. "I -- I love to be around them. I -- I -- but no I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

Seems to me a simple 'yes' or 'no' would have been a pretty good answer here...

It's almost like his lawyer is trying to get this guy convicted.


 ::hysterical::

Works for me!

I heard this excerpt today and the guy sounded like he was just asked if he liked ice cream.  I think if I was accused of a horrendous crime like he has been I would've sounded a little more outraged and be more assertive about my innocence.  Which leads me to wonder if this guy is a sociopath who has no feelings towards others beyond what he can get from them.



People who abuse kids have to have something off in the head, that's for sure, but I won't go there, no need making it easier for his lawyer to get him off on a nutjob defense, which as far as I can see is the only hope this guy has of avoiding the pen!

ETA - Did you happen to notice how spooky close this guys house is to an elementary school?  It is literally his backyard, a little fence, a playground and the school!

 ::speechless::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on November 16, 2011, 09:35:06 AM
  If convicted all he needs is jail in general population.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
  If convicted all he needs is jail in general population.

Yup.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2011, 09:41:41 AM
And there is this development...McQueary "stopped it", not physically in the manner I would have with fists flying, but verbally...

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-scandal-mcqueary-20111115,0,1687969.story (http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-scandal-mcqueary-20111115,0,1687969.story)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 16, 2011, 10:12:41 AM
Quote
And there is this development...McQueary "stopped it",


On another board, someone mentioned this is in contradiction to his grand jury testimony
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 16, 2011, 11:23:17 AM
Still leaves  a lot of questions doesn't it?

If he stopped it what did he do with the kid?  Did he call the parents or the police then?


Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2011, 11:44:54 AM
The proper actions look obvious to me....beat down the perp, put a towel around the kid and get him the hell out of there and call the cops!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 16, 2011, 11:48:13 AM
The proper actions look obvious to me....beat down the perp, put a towel around the kid and get him the hell out of there and call the cops!

WHY is it so OBVIOUS to us?   I still hear people discussing this as if there was another option.   ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2011, 11:51:48 AM
The proper actions look obvious to me....beat down the perp, put a towel around the kid and get him the hell out of there and call the cops!

WHY is it so OBVIOUS to us?   I still hear people discussing this as if there was another option.   ::facepalm::

They gotta be libiots, or carriers of the disease...

 ::)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Pandora on November 16, 2011, 12:28:02 PM
The proper actions look obvious to me....beat down the perp, put a towel around the kid and get him the hell out of there and call the cops!

WHY is it so OBVIOUS to us?   I still hear people discussing this as if there was another option.   ::facepalm::

It's OBVIOUS to us because we would not have stopped to first consider what it would cost to act thusly -- and sometimes doing the right thing definitely incurs a cost in terms of unexpected personal and occupational blowback.  Been there, done that, got the kick in the ass for my trouble and I'd still DO IT AGAIN.

Apparently, Sandusky's proclivities were an open secret around Penn, and for years; exposing the university to scandal by blowing the whistle on the guy, and his protectors, had to be a consideration in the decision not to call the cops.  McQueary chose to self-protect and he's paying a price anyway.

Don't misunderstand me; I'm not making excuses or offering "options", just describing the depths to which society has sunk in these matters.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on November 16, 2011, 12:58:09 PM
The proper actions look obvious to me....beat down the perp, put a towel around the kid and get him the hell out of there and call the cops!

WHY is it so OBVIOUS to us?   I still hear people discussing this as if there was another option.   ::facepalm::

 Werre not covering our buts and saving our jobs. Who the hell would hire a coach involve in this mess at any level. The cowards.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 17, 2011, 07:54:31 AM
OOPS!

Pennsylvania police say no record of Mike McQueary reporting Jerry Sandusky alleged sex abuse incident with young boy

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/pennsylvania-police-record-mike-mcqueary-reporting-jerry-sandusky-alleged-sex-abuse-incident-young-boy-article-1.978833#ixzz1dyFIPij9 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/pennsylvania-police-record-mike-mcqueary-reporting-jerry-sandusky-alleged-sex-abuse-incident-young-boy-article-1.978833#ixzz1dyFIPij9)

Back to square one!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on November 17, 2011, 08:44:15 AM
Back to thinking he can lie, to save his reputation.

Why isn't this rotten institution shut down yet?  It's obvious they aren't capable of joining civilized society.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on November 17, 2011, 10:39:55 AM
What?  And cause more riots?!

/

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on December 07, 2011, 04:22:05 PM
Sandusky arrested on new charges (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-crime-pennstatetre7b61yv-20111207,0,5722391.story)   for abuse of 2 more boys he met through his "charity".



Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2011, 06:40:52 AM
Sandusky took an interest in them, took them to Penn State games and gave them gifts and money, she said. Affection such as hugging and tickling "escalated to sexual assaults," she said.

 ::rockets::

Sandusky now faces an additional four counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, two counts of unlawful contact with a minor, one count of indecent assault and two counts of endangering the welfare of children, all felonies, and three related misdemeanors, Kelly said.

Every state should have such statutes!

Rot In Prison, Jerry!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on June 22, 2012, 09:43:35 PM
LINK (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/06/22/jerry-sandusky-trial-verdict/)

Quote
The jury in Jerry Sandusky’s child sex abuse trial has found him “guilty” on 45 counts and “not guilty” on three counts. His bail has been revoked and he will be sent to the Center County Correctional Facility.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 22, 2012, 09:57:24 PM

Joe Paterno should be tried in absentia.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Pandora on June 23, 2012, 01:24:26 AM
What for?  He's received his Final Judgement; anything here is a gnat bite.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Glock32 on June 23, 2012, 01:52:58 AM
That guy who walked in on it in the shower room, that guy should be charged with something.  Who walks on in on something like that and doesn't immediately come to the aid of that kid?  You don't just go make a phone call and then shrug it off with an "oh well that's all we could do" attitude.

The whole thing is so damned disgusting I think I would have literally puked if I had to sit on that jury.  If he gets put into the prison GP he's history.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on June 23, 2012, 06:44:49 PM
That guy who walked in on it in the shower room, that guy should be charged with something.  Who walks on in on something like that and doesn't immediately come to the aid of that kid?  You don't just go make a phone call and then shrug it off with an "oh well that's all we could do" attitude.

The whole thing is so damned disgusting I think I would have literally puked if I had to sit on that jury.  If he gets put into the prison GP he's history.

 You got that right.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Predator Don on June 23, 2012, 10:07:08 PM
So now he is on "suicide watch" .........

I'd be happy to watch if he'd off himself.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Glock32 on June 24, 2012, 12:00:52 AM
You can guarantee it, he will get "Dahmer'ed" in prison just as soon as other inmates get to him. They'll have to keep him segregated.  What a disgusting POS. And the element of it that is now verboten to acknowledge is the homosexual aspect. Whenever you hear of men who are pedophiles, it's almost always boys they abuse. The homo movement is keen to deny any link between these two psychosexual diseases.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Pandora on June 24, 2012, 01:46:14 AM
They can deny it until they're blue in the face; the deed tells the tale.

Same thing with the "pedophile" priests.  They molested boys, not girls, and those about 12 and older.  Ephebophilia.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on June 24, 2012, 08:43:26 AM
So now he is on "suicide watch" .........

I'd be happy to watch if he'd off himself.

 Give him to general population and let them deal with him the worthless bastard.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2012, 11:01:07 AM
Suicide watch?  How much is a chair?
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 11:28:49 AM
Inmates sang Pink Floyd's "The Wall" to Jerry back in December -

Hey teacher leave those kids alone! (http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/06/25/hey-teacher-leave-those-kids-alone-sandusky-serenaded-by-inmates/)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 30, 2012, 07:14:45 PM
What for?  He's received his Final Judgement; anything here is a gnat bite.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sports/ncaafootball/paterno-may-have-influenced-decision-not-to-report-sandusky-e-mails-indicate.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sports/ncaafootball/paterno-may-have-influenced-decision-not-to-report-sandusky-e-mails-indicate.html?pagewanted=all)

E-mail correspondence among senior Penn State officials suggests that Paterno influenced the university’s decision not to formally report the accusation against Sandusky to the child welfare authorities,


Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 01, 2012, 08:10:33 PM
The dead have no defense, his reputation will be further sullied.  Some stuff you just cannot look the other way on.  Joe blew it big time.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 01, 2012, 08:28:15 PM

I understand where he was on the food chain and there are two types;
those like him and those that would have to restrain their desire to physically
respond so that they could make certain, doggedly so, legal justice was was visited upon Sandusky and that creep who ran away.  Couldn't you just reach across your desk, grab him by the throat and say 'WTF? You ran?' 

Oh, but they love old Joe in Philly.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 02, 2012, 11:40:56 AM
Yeah.  The world is n-v-t-s nvts!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on July 03, 2012, 08:21:49 AM

I understand where he was on the food chain and there are two types;
those like him and those that would have to restrain their desire to physically
respond so that they could make certain, doggedly so, legal justice was was visited upon Sandusky and that creep who ran away.  Couldn't you just reach across your desk, grab him by the throat and say 'WTF? You ran?' 

Oh, but they love old Joe in Philly.


   From what I see we have a jerk that started off slow with the kids and once he saw that nobody was watching he got worse and worse and used his friend to help cover up.

  Joe being loyal to a friend(who was no friend)tried to cover for the school and his so called friend and burned his own house down. Joe did it to himself and part of that I believe is because Joe was past being sharp and made a bad choice. He should have thrown his friend to the wolves for putting him and the school in a position like that.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 03, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
Can't argue with that.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on July 04, 2012, 10:23:29 AM
It's hard to believe that this case could get any sicker.

But as more is revealed it seems to do just that...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sports/ncaafootball/paterno-may-have-influenced-decision-not-to-report-sandusky-e-mails-indicate.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sports/ncaafootball/paterno-may-have-influenced-decision-not-to-report-sandusky-e-mails-indicate.html?pagewanted=all)

E-mail correspondence among senior Penn State officials suggests that Paterno influenced the university’s decision not to formally report the accusation against Sandusky to the child welfare authorities,
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 12, 2012, 05:07:28 PM

State College, Pennsylvania (CNN) (http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/us/pennsylvania-penn-state-investigation/index.html) -- The most powerful former leaders at Penn State University have been accused of showing "total and consistent disregard" for child sex abuse victims, while covering up the attacks of a longtime sexual predator, according to an internal review into how the school handled a scandal involving its former assistant football coach.

Investigators conducted more than 400 interviews and found that several officials had "empowered" Jerry Sandusky to continue his abuse, while Joe Paterno, the school's legendary head football coach, could have stopped the attacks had he done more, investigators said Thursday.

Read the report here(PDF (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/07/12/freeh.report.pdf))

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 12, 2012, 07:34:24 PM
Yup, I think PSU is toast.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on July 12, 2012, 08:17:23 PM
Yup, I think PSU is toast.

 They better start printing money now and get a jump on it.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 15, 2012, 04:48:14 PM

Penn State Stiffens Its Neck, Intends to Keep Statue Memorializing the POS Whose Silence Exposed Untold Numbers of Children to a Rapist (http://weaselzippers.us/2012/07/14/penn-state-stiffens-its-neck-intends-to-keep-statue-memorializing-the-pos-whose-silence-exposed-untold-numbers-of-children-to-a-predator/)

Quote
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Paterno.jpg
They have not learned a thing.


(ESPN) —  (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8166643/joe-paterno-statue-remain-penn-state-sources-say) ...
...
The trustees’ reluctance to remove the statue is motivated, in part, by a desire not to offend alumni and students who adore the late coach despite the damning findings of his role in the Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse cover-up ...


Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 15, 2012, 05:20:35 PM
No they haven't.  But didn't I hear something about an artist removing the halo from a Joe-Pat mural?  Ironic that an artist has learned more than most people in Happy Valley, hopefully I am not reading too much into it.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on July 16, 2012, 07:35:06 AM
Death Penalty.  It's obvious everyone associated with the sewer that is Penn State is completely out of control.

Flush it all down the toilet and start over in a few years.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Predator Don on July 16, 2012, 07:58:36 AM

Penn State Stiffens Its Neck, Intends to Keep Statue Memorializing the POS Whose Silence Exposed Untold Numbers of Children to a Rapist (http://weaselzippers.us/2012/07/14/penn-state-stiffens-its-neck-intends-to-keep-statue-memorializing-the-pos-whose-silence-exposed-untold-numbers-of-children-to-a-predator/)

Quote
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Paterno.jpg
They have not learned a thing.


(ESPN) —  (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8166643/joe-paterno-statue-remain-penn-state-sources-say) ...
...
The trustees’ reluctance to remove the statue is motivated, in part, by a desire not to offend alumni and students who adore the late coach despite the damning findings of his role in the Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse cover-up ...





Maybe, if given the death penalty, penn state can simply re name the statue.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 16, 2012, 11:15:02 AM
Knowing these arrogant clowns they are more likely to put a statue of Sandusky up.

Hopefully it isn't the shower scene...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on July 16, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
Quote
while Joe Paterno, the school's legendary head football coach, could have stopped the attacks had he done more, investigators said Thursday.



as I suspected...I got sick of people running around making excuses for the guy...
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 16, 2012, 08:12:36 PM
There are no excuses, zero, zip, nada.  Most people know this, you just do not harm kids, period.  And this kind of harm will be with the kid for life and his family has to live with it as well.  Hopefully they can cope and have as normal a life as possible, but something vital was stolen from these kids which will never be got back, and that is unforgiveable by us mortals.  May God have mercy on them, I'm plumb out.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on July 18, 2012, 12:44:35 PM
LINK (http://www.961kiss.com/pages/freakshow.html?article=10277959)

Quote
A couple of students have started to camp out in tents and watch over the Joe Paterno statue at Penn State. The sign says "Protect the Paterno statue"

Occupy Joe?
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Predator Don on July 18, 2012, 01:35:35 PM
LINK (http://www.961kiss.com/pages/freakshow.html?article=10277959)

Quote
A couple of students have started to camp out in tents and watch over the Joe Paterno statue at Penn State. The sign says "Protect the Paterno statue"

Occupy Joe?

If sandusky was occupying Joe, no one would care. he would be a hero.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: LadyVirginia on July 18, 2012, 04:44:38 PM
Too bad these kids can't care about something worthwhile.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: BMG on July 20, 2012, 11:32:26 AM
LINK (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/kim-jones-penn-state-to-remove-paterno-statue-this-weekend/)

Quote
It seems the fate of Joe Paterno’s statue at Penn State has been sealed.

“Am told that Penn State plans to take down the Paterno statue this weekend,” Kim Jones of the NFL Network and WFAN reported via Twitter on Friday.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 20, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
And now, they can address the real problem...unless PSU wants to stand for Pederast State Univ for all time!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Pandora on July 20, 2012, 12:10:12 PM
LINK (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/kim-jones-penn-state-to-remove-paterno-statue-this-weekend/)

Quote
It seems the fate of Joe Paterno’s statue at Penn State has been sealed.

“Am told that Penn State plans to take down the Paterno statue this weekend,” Kim Jones of the NFL Network and WFAN reported via Twitter on Friday.

How not-smart to announce this thus giving the protestors and obstructors notice.  Just take the damn thing down at night and be done with it.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 22, 2012, 07:32:23 PM
The statue is down and in stored somewhere.

As for PSU, rumors of a big NCAA fist coming down...

"I've never seen anything like it,"
PSU Sanctions (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57477382/ncaa-source-unprecedented-penalties-against-penn-state/?tag=stack)

Ok, we'll see.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on July 22, 2012, 10:28:16 PM
Yeah, but no "death penalty."

As for the statue coming down...make no mistake, they didn't do it because they are ashamed of Paterno, they aren't. They took it down so that it won't be vandalized. It will go up again after the dust settles. If they were truly ashamed of Paterno then they would have also taken his name off of the library...they didn't.

These people do not get it. And they never will until they are brought to a reckoning. Which may or may not happen.

Enter the liability lawyers.

I hate lawyers but this is one of those instances where they are the remedy of last resort. If the law enforcement types won't bring the victims justice...if the university officials won't do the right thing (see above for all you need to know about that one)...if the NCAA won't hand down real punishment (we will know tomorrow morning but I don't see anything serious happening), then the liability lawyers are going to have to get it done.

Not that they wouldn't get in there for their piece of the action...wild horses, etc. No, they will do what they do and if there is any justice then Penn State will lose their football program somehow, someway.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on July 22, 2012, 10:44:14 PM
From the ESPN article: (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says)

Quote
NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.

The NCAA will announce "corrective and punitive measures" for Penn State on Monday morning, it said in a statement Sunday. Emmert will reveal the sanctions at 9 a.m. ET in Indianapolis at the organization's headquarters along with Ed Ray, the chairman of the NCAA's executive committee, and Oregon State's president, the news release said.

So, countdown to tomorrow morning. I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: AmericanPatriot on July 22, 2012, 10:46:10 PM
So much for Penn State's purported squeaky clean reputation.
Guess that really only referred to soap in the shower with Jerry
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on July 22, 2012, 10:52:30 PM
Quote
The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera. This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field.

That quote (found in the linked ESPN article) from a former NCAA Committee on Infractions chair betrays a really screwed up attitude and a serious denial of what was actually going on.

In covering up the scandal, Penn State most definitely sought an advantage in recruitment. The Freeh Report very clearly established the presence of a conspiracy to hide the scandal for the sole purpose of preventing damage to the football program. That affected the so-called "level playing field" in favor of Penn State.

They deserve the death penalty.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 22, 2012, 11:48:17 PM

Reprise from another site earlier today:

They should have used a back hoe to pick it up and smash it (the statue) to bits
then load the bits onto a truck and then cart them to the smelter.
No fences, no blinds, boo freeking hoo.

Same (figuratively) with the board of trustees.

ETA: See the picture of them crying?  This event and the whole PS thing
is exemplary of how insane things are in the USA.  Yes, we are engaged
in a true battle of good and evil.  Guess I'm arriving a little behind the
curve of realization.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 23, 2012, 06:45:13 AM
All I heard on ESPN radio this morning (can those clowns be insufferable!) was how the NCAA has no case on rules infractions in this case since it is a criminal case yadda yadda yadda.  Yeah, OK now I am the first one to denounce overbearing bureaucrats wherever they may be, but as Trap points out there is definitely a recruiting advantage by keeping this criminally oriented scandal quiet and by implication it is assumed that a Joe Paterno led team definitely won more games on the field with those players than they would have otherwise expected had all this come out at the time.  If the NCAA does not give this program the Death Penalty, then it really has no argument to exist at all.

Joe tarnished his own reputation by not standing up for what was right and calling the police about what he knew about his coaching buddy and young boys.  Had he done that he might be disliked by Sandusky and a few other idiots, but his conscience and reputation would have been clean.  As it is, I could care less what happens to the statue or their program.  PSU brought this on themselves, their tantrums and denials just show how whacked people are now days.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on July 23, 2012, 07:44:33 AM
Death Penalty

To placate those (including me actually) who think the current players shouldn't be punished for past crimes, fine.  Instant transfer allowed with no having to sit out a year.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on July 23, 2012, 08:47:16 AM
Nope.  Finz and suspensionz it is.

Holy run on link! (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ncaa-announces-penalties-penn-state-including-four-bowl-131754169--ncaaf.html;_ylt=Ai9RhfssEUi0EHLCglkOg0D79XQA;_ylu=X3oDMTQzbHBuZm1yBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIFRvcFN0b3JpZXMEcGtnA2I4NzJmZjkzLTJmNzAtM2MzMS1iNTM1LTE3YzYxMWMzOTkyNgRwb3MDMwRzZWMDTWVkaWFTZWN0aW9uTGlzdAR2ZXIDNzUzNTExODMtZDRjYS0xMWUxLWI3M2YtODM2ODQ1OTVmMDky;_ylg=X3oDMTJ0YWZibTh0BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDYzI4ZTFiODQtNGE2Yy0zOWM3LWJhODItOTNkOWIyY2E4MTcyBHBzdGNhdANzcG9ydHN8bW1hBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3)

The details of the punishment:

    Four year postseason ban
    10 initial scholarship losses and 20 per year for four years
    $60 million fine
    All wins from 1998-2011 vacated
    Five year probationary period

Not enough.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on July 23, 2012, 09:17:37 AM
The four year bowl ban and the reduction in scholarships may be a defacto death penalty. Time will tell.

A lot a talent (both on and off the field) will pass on going to Penn State if they know that they will not go to a bowl game.

I would have preferred the death penalty but this isn't a slap on the wrist by any objective measure.

Vacating the wins of a dead guy doesn't seem all that bad, though. Kind of a shutting the barn door after the horse is gone kinda thing.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on July 23, 2012, 09:29:58 AM
That does take away Paterno's record for wins.  That's good.

But they still let Penn State keep raking in the big $ for their sports programs.  Not good.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on July 23, 2012, 09:37:48 AM
The lawyers will get to work on Penn State's money very soon.

There is supposed to also be a sanction or two coming from the Big Ten conference.

I would also wonder how long it will be before Paterno is quietly un-inducted from the college football hall of fame.

EDIT: Reading rumors and conjecture elsewhere that the Big Ten is going to confiscate television monies that would otherwise go to Penn State. Another rumor involves Penn State having to play all conference games away from home. Should know the truth, though, very soon.

Oh, and today's winner: Bobby Bowden who is now the number one winning coach in Div 1.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: ToddF on July 23, 2012, 11:14:51 AM
The more I think about it, this might actually be more of a punishment than death.  No one of any caliber will want to go to Penn State.  They are going to be so hamstrung they probably will want to kill their football program themselves.

And on a brighter note...

Someone is getting a little touchy about the obvious comparison to be made (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/20/mann-invokes-the-streisand-effect-on-twitter/)

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on July 23, 2012, 11:19:13 AM
I thought about Penn State and Michael Mann and forgot to mention it. Good catch, MNHawk.

A culture of fraud and deceit through and through.

From the Grooveyard Of Forgotten Favorites:

Censoring The Decrease in Global Temperatures (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAlMomLvu_4#)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on July 23, 2012, 11:25:10 AM
Largely a rubber stamp, "me, too" kind of punishment that underscores rather than piles on to the NCAA sanctions. An extra $13 million in lost revenue is about the only thing of note. Oh yeah, and they censured them. Big deal.

Quote
The Big Ten Conference issued its own penalties Monday to Penn State, banning the school's football team from appearing in the Big Ten championship game for four years and stating the school won't receive any conference bowl revenue during that same span.

That revenue is estimated to total about $13 million, bringing the grand total Penn State has been fined to $73 million. Earlier Monday, the NCAA announced its own sanctions against Penn State, which included a $60-million fine.

The Big Ten stated that Penn State's share of bowl revenue will be donated to a fund for the protection of children.

The league also publicly censured Penn State for its failure to act in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

"The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels -- morally, ethically and potentially criminally," read the statement from the Big Ten Council of Presidents and Chancellors.

"They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state -- and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State."

LINK (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-big-ten-penn-state-20120723,0,257634.story)

Next up are the liability lawyers and the plaintiffs. $73 million in NCAA and Big Ten fines are going to seem cheap by comparison.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 23, 2012, 11:33:56 AM
Yeah, that is cheap.  Frankly I would like to see them booted out of the Big Ten, but then no moolah for charities, so money rules all.

The civil cases along will stress PSU.  Uh, hey?  How much taxpayer support does PSU get?  It should be ZERO!
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: trapeze on July 23, 2012, 11:40:34 AM
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment) at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on July 23, 2012, 03:55:24 PM
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment) at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.

 They should have tought about that when they were busy covering it up.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2012, 06:47:05 AM
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment) at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.

 They should have tought about that when they were busy covering it up.

It is obvious they didn't much care about the school or the fallout from the cover up, I'm sure in their minds this was not their fault and something nobody would blame the university for.  Elitism eventually meets reality, it just takes longer to get there with these types.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on July 24, 2012, 01:59:55 PM
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment) at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.

 They should have tought about that when they were busy covering it up.

It is obvious they didn't much care about the school or the fallout from the cover up, I'm sure in their minds this was not their fault and something nobody would blame the university for.  Elitism eventually meets reality, it just takes longer to get there with these types.

   And the guy that devoted his life to that school blew his entire lifes history up to help out a POS that took advantage of his friendship to cover his own ass.  In the end Paterno should have done what his heart of hearts told him he should do but didn't so he deserves what he got.

  Were all responsible for what choices we make in life.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2012, 07:40:46 PM
The lawyers are going to go after everything. The endowment will be the big prize. Currently it is listed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment) at $1.725 billion.

They lose that or a significant portion thereof and the school is dead.

Punitive awards can be ugly.

 They should have tought about that when they were busy covering it up.

It is obvious they didn't much care about the school or the fallout from the cover up, I'm sure in their minds this was not their fault and something nobody would blame the university for.  Elitism eventually meets reality, it just takes longer to get there with these types.

   And the guy that devoted his life to that school blew his entire lifes history up to help out a POS that took advantage of his friendship to cover his own ass.  In the end Paterno should have done what his heart of hearts told him he should do but didn't so he deserves what he got.

  Were all responsible for what choices we make in life.

Sad but true, I said this would tarnish his image, and it has.  All he had to do was pick up the phone and call the chief of police, not someone connected to the campus, and ask them to look into it.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 24, 2012, 08:09:18 PM

It was his responsibility to doggedly follow through on this
problem until it was properly resolved.  He should have restrained
the coward informant until authorities arrived.  It was his department
they were his people his actions were nothing but political.

How could this have gone on in his department with others aware and
multiple reports without him already knowing?  I don't think it did. 


Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 05, 2012, 07:31:02 PM

university hid the facts for 14 years (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172527/Penn-State-report-says-Joe-Paterno-repeatedly-concealed-critical-facts-Jerry-Sandusky-sex-abuse.html#)


 *   Report released this morning places blame on coach Joe Paterno, former
      University president, vice president and athletic director
 *   All four knew that Sandusky abused boy in shower in 1998 and did nothing
 *   Sandusky found guilty of 45 counts of child sex abuse which included at
      least eight young male victims
 *   Investigation cost nearly $4million and took eight months
 *   Paterno family statement: 'Joe Paterno wasn't perfect... to think, however,
      that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is
      simply not realistic'


Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on October 06, 2012, 11:55:40 AM
Nail meet coffin.
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on October 09, 2012, 11:21:01 AM
Minimum of 30 years for Jerry, and he is still denying he did anything...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/sandusky-sentenced-to-30-to-60-years-in-prison.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/sandusky-sentenced-to-30-to-60-years-in-prison.html)
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 28, 2012, 01:51:48 AM

NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/self-described-child-prostitute-connects-jerry-sandusky-poly-prep-sex-abuse-scandal-coach-phil-foglietta-article-1.1163303) - A Philadelphia man who claims to have been paid to have sex with former Poly Prep football coach Phil Foglietta in 1979 as part of an alleged pedophile ring that included Jerry Sandusky sent an email to several Poly Prep officials on Monday - including current headmaster David Harman - detailing the explosive allegation.

Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2012, 11:51:51 AM
 ::speechless::  ::speechless::

Egads!  How far does this crap go?!   ::whatgives::

 ::puke::   ::rockets::
Title: Re: Penn State Scandal
Post by: John Florida on October 28, 2012, 06:38:29 PM
::speechless::  ::speechless::

Egads!  How far does this crap go?!   ::whatgives::

 ::puke::   ::rockets::

 I'm sorry but now it's just the vultures piling on. Till there's proof I won't believe it.