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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #100 on: July 26, 2012, 10:56:09 AM »

That can't be true.  The TV said, over and over, that there
was nothing in his past to indicate he had a problem.



Which of course means "we found no evidence that he is a conservative Republican".
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #101 on: July 26, 2012, 11:36:16 AM »

That can't be true.  The TV said, over and over, that there
was nothing in his past to indicate he had a problem.



Which of course means "we found no evidence that he is a conservative Republican".

Or a Tea Party member...

 ::)

But the Obama & the Left are not letting that stop their Demonization of guns tour #9,402,315,867!

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ETA - Speaking of the latter...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/25/obama-calls-measures-against-gun-violence/

The SCoaMF and his bullsh*t about rfiles and criminals is so disingenuous and twisted!  Criminals?  Really Stymie, you really want to go there Mr. F&F, Mr.Gunwalker, Mr.Free-guns-for-criminals, Mr. Murderer?!

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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2012, 01:57:29 PM »
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That can't be true.  The TV said, over and over, that there
was nothing in his past to indicate he had a problem.



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Which of course means "we found no evidence that he is a conservative Republican".

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Or a Tea Party member...



so the conclusion must be that the guns made him do it...
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #104 on: July 26, 2012, 02:47:35 PM »


The caption is "reducing crime".  LOL.
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #105 on: July 26, 2012, 04:44:14 PM »


The caption is "reducing crime".  LOL.

It might if we start hanging things from it.
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #106 on: July 26, 2012, 04:48:00 PM »


The caption is "reducing crime".  LOL.

It might if we start hanging things from it.

Precisely.
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #107 on: July 26, 2012, 04:58:19 PM »

Anybody watch Lou Dobbs?

Gun Sales Rise in Colorado Since Aurora Shooting
Jul 24, 2012

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1752177455001
- 5:19 -

Sipsey Street Irregulars Blog author Mike Vanderboegh, GunTruths and Citizens of America co-founder David Codrea and FNC legal analyst Lis Wiehl on the potential impact on Second Amendment rights after the shooting in Aurora, Colorado.

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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #108 on: July 26, 2012, 05:01:45 PM »

Anybody watch Lou Dobbs?

Gun Sales Rise in Colorado Since Aurora Shooting
Jul 24, 2012

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1752177455001
- 5:19 -

Sipsey Street Irregulars Blog author Mike Vanderboegh, GunTruths and Citizens of America co-founder David Codrea and FNC legal analyst Lis Wiehl on the potential impact on Second Amendment rights after the shooting in Aurora, Colorado.


ROTFLMAO!  "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent." - Jim Quinn

The Five Stages of Bull...."
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #109 on: July 26, 2012, 05:07:45 PM »

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ROTFLMAO!  "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent." - Jim Quinn

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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #110 on: July 26, 2012, 05:11:38 PM »
Go here ---

http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/

... and scroll down just a bit.  He wrote "bullsh_t" in the link and it won't show up here; the "i" is rendered as "*".
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #111 on: July 29, 2012, 01:52:23 PM »

He can only face one direction at a time.


True, and despite the gas mask, I figure he wasn't able to see any more clearly than anyone else there.

Sidebar:  a short time after Columbine, a man with his head screwed on straight began offering seminars for school kids whereby he instructed them in alternatives to hiding under their desks, kissing their asses goodbye, in the event they should find themselves under siege.  He advised the kids to begin throwing anything and everything at the assailant in order to distract him enough to either grab away the gun or knock him on his ass -- and then grab the gun if they could -- or to provide any opportunity for some to run away to safety.

Ran across this today; {eta: I don't know if it's} It is not the original as I mentioned.  Nevertheless ....   The author's first piece is "Let's Roll"; this one is more action-specific, and titled "Let's Roll II".  Flight 93-type "Let's roll ....".

"So, what can teachers and students do differently, so that things don’t go badly for the “false positive” scares, but gives them a fighting chance when things take a dramatic turn for the worse, and the shooter is at the door? What can be done that doesn’t require massive bureaucratic intervention and interference? The police come to stop the violence by displaying a willingness and ability to use counter-violence – why can we, the average person, not do the same?

Use history and human nature as guides. Most mass shootings (just talking about in the developed world, and not government-sponsored or drug-war stuff) have been lone gunmen, so you likely only need to stop one and you are done – that’s the history. Secondly, it is human nature to duck and dodge things flying into your face or at your body, and it is very hard to focus on something precision (like aiming and shooting) when you are in pain and blind. So, when a lockdown occurs, rather than immediately cowering in fear hoping to be shot last, everybody grab something they can throw, or hit with, to use as a weapon, or get out a BRIGHT flashlight (or even a cell phone camera flash; temporary blinding and disorientation is a MAJOR help in a fight). When hiding, arrange yourselves around the door or other most likely entry point, with the biggest and strongest nearest the door, but at least a few paces back. Those nearest the door should be holding stuff that makes a good club (be creative – like the heavy iron 3-hole punch, a meter stick, using a marker or Sharpie like a kubotan, or a shovel from the wetlands ecology project last month you just “happen” to still have), or a couple of them might use a desk they can push or hold up in front of themselves. If an active shooter comes in the door, everyone shine lights in his eyes, throw stuff at him, scream a battle cry, and CHARGE! The folks in the first rank charge in, planning on knocking the weapon up, jamming the action, hitting or blinding or disabling the shooter in any way possible. Bury him in weight of numbers, use knees, biting, clubbing, anything that causes pain, distraction, immobility, damage, or blindness. The second rank should be ready to dive in to help, pull back the injured to clear the way for more counter-attackers, or whatever. The physically weakest should shine flashlights into the attacker’s eyes to blind him, watch for other shooters, or prepare to lend a hand in any way possible (such as keeping a power-cord or other tie-‘em-up handy to give to the primary counter-attackers once the shooter is subdued).  If the event happens in a cafeteria or gym, throw your lunch, a can of soda, hot soup or coffee, a ball, or anything else handy, and charge in for the take-down.

This sort of plan does not interfere with the normal lock-down procedures of “lock-lights-hide”, can be implemented independently by individual teachers, and can be modified and adapted to specific classroom layouts and student age and abilities.  It empowers kids, and trains them that the proper reaction to senseless violence is not cowering in fear or meek compliance but to do what the police do and use determined and purposeful counter-violence, to raise the price of being anti-social. It creates an anti-victim mindset.  It lays the groundwork for a stronger appreciation of what it is to be an American, and a free human.  It also inculcates a recognition that action is what stops psychopaths.

Now, to be sure, many police departments are likely to oppose this idea – it’s their job we are talking about taking from them. If after an attempted school shooting, two rookies, a sergeant, and a coroner with a spatula can clean up and document the mess, then there are a whole lot of neat toys the local PD can’t justify buying, and a lot of security programs that won’t get funded, a lot of grief councilors won’t be hired. It is in their best interests for you to be dependent on them; it is not in your best interests, however. Some teachers will be opposed to it too, on the grounds that it flies in the face of their ideology of “violence never solved anything,” which is laughably, provably, wrong, as well as being quite at odds with American history.

If people are trained to do this in schools, then mass-shootings elsewhere in public become less likely, too, because a “counter-attack” mentality means they are more likely to be dragged down promptly, ending the spree. It will teach teamwork and coordination, self-defense, and an active rather than passive mentality.  It will also help in building self-confidence, by creating an independent outlook on life. Research shows that people who are targeted in a violent confrontation  have much less PTSD and other psychiatric recovery issues if they fought back and won, even if injured,  than if they were a passive receiver of violence. When the would-be victims fight back, it allows for heroes worthy of emulation on the good guys side, and destroys the image the sociopath has of themselves.

Is this a perfect solution to the problem of mass shooting and murderous psychopaths? Will it guarantee no casualties? Will it always work perfectly? Well, no, of course not. All choices and actions are an exercise in trade-offs. But it is virtually free to implement, may be laid out in a very short time to a class if an emergency arises elsewhere in the building that you fear might head your way, has many potential positive side-effects, and few downsides. It’s a start toward creating a mindset in the nation of refusing to be a victim."

Not only do the cops not like this, I'm betting a good majority of the teachers won't either.  In those cases, parents need to cobble together a group of kids and their parents and present their own seminar.
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #112 on: July 29, 2012, 02:09:20 PM »
thanks.

I shared this with my kids.
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #113 on: July 29, 2012, 07:04:34 PM »
Taking from the police?  Yeah, right!  They surrendered, caved in, and refuse to "protect & serve"...

If you and I don't protect ourselves, nobody will, period.
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #114 on: July 29, 2012, 09:52:44 PM »
Taking from the police?  Yeah, right!  They surrendered, caved in, and refuse to "protect & serve"...

If you and I don't protect ourselves, nobody will, period.

And I am done caring what the authorities want, believe or advocate.
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #115 on: July 29, 2012, 10:33:56 PM »

He can only face one direction at a time.


True, and despite the gas mask, I figure he wasn't able to see any more clearly than anyone else there.

Sidebar:  a short time after Columbine, a man with his head screwed on straight began offering seminars for school kids whereby he instructed them in alternatives to hiding under their desks, kissing their asses goodbye, in the event they should find themselves under siege.  He advised the kids to begin throwing anything and everything at the assailant in order to distract him enough to either grab away the gun or knock him on his ass -- and then grab the gun if they could -- or to provide any opportunity for some to run away to safety.

Ran across this today; {eta: I don't know if it's} It is not the original as I mentioned.  Nevertheless ....   The author's first piece is "Let's Roll"; this one is more action-specific, and titled "Let's Roll II".  Flight 93-type "Let's roll ....".

"So, what can teachers and students do differently, so that things don’t go badly for the “false positive” scares, but gives them a fighting chance when things take a dramatic turn for the worse, and the shooter is at the door? What can be done that doesn’t require massive bureaucratic intervention and interference? The police come to stop the violence by displaying a willingness and ability to use counter-violence – why can we, the average person, not do the same?

Use history and human nature as guides. Most mass shootings (just talking about in the developed world, and not government-sponsored or drug-war stuff) have been lone gunmen, so you likely only need to stop one and you are done – that’s the history. Secondly, it is human nature to duck and dodge things flying into your face or at your body, and it is very hard to focus on something precision (like aiming and shooting) when you are in pain and blind. So, when a lockdown occurs, rather than immediately cowering in fear hoping to be shot last, everybody grab something they can throw, or hit with, to use as a weapon, or get out a BRIGHT flashlight (or even a cell phone camera flash; temporary blinding and disorientation is a MAJOR help in a fight). When hiding, arrange yourselves around the door or other most likely entry point, with the biggest and strongest nearest the door, but at least a few paces back. Those nearest the door should be holding stuff that makes a good club (be creative – like the heavy iron 3-hole punch, a meter stick, using a marker or Sharpie like a kubotan, or a shovel from the wetlands ecology project last month you just “happen” to still have), or a couple of them might use a desk they can push or hold up in front of themselves. If an active shooter comes in the door, everyone shine lights in his eyes, throw stuff at him, scream a battle cry, and CHARGE! The folks in the first rank charge in, planning on knocking the weapon up, jamming the action, hitting or blinding or disabling the shooter in any way possible. Bury him in weight of numbers, use knees, biting, clubbing, anything that causes pain, distraction, immobility, damage, or blindness. The second rank should be ready to dive in to help, pull back the injured to clear the way for more counter-attackers, or whatever. The physically weakest should shine flashlights into the attacker’s eyes to blind him, watch for other shooters, or prepare to lend a hand in any way possible (such as keeping a power-cord or other tie-‘em-up handy to give to the primary counter-attackers once the shooter is subdued).  If the event happens in a cafeteria or gym, throw your lunch, a can of soda, hot soup or coffee, a ball, or anything else handy, and charge in for the take-down.

This sort of plan does not interfere with the normal lock-down procedures of “lock-lights-hide”, can be implemented independently by individual teachers, and can be modified and adapted to specific classroom layouts and student age and abilities.  It empowers kids, and trains them that the proper reaction to senseless violence is not cowering in fear or meek compliance but to do what the police do and use determined and purposeful counter-violence, to raise the price of being anti-social. It creates an anti-victim mindset.  It lays the groundwork for a stronger appreciation of what it is to be an American, and a free human.  It also inculcates a recognition that action is what stops psychopaths.

Now, to be sure, many police departments are likely to oppose this idea – it’s their job we are talking about taking from them. If after an attempted school shooting, two rookies, a sergeant, and a coroner with a spatula can clean up and document the mess, then there are a whole lot of neat toys the local PD can’t justify buying, and a lot of security programs that won’t get funded, a lot of grief councilors won’t be hired. It is in their best interests for you to be dependent on them; it is not in your best interests, however. Some teachers will be opposed to it too, on the grounds that it flies in the face of their ideology of “violence never solved anything,” which is laughably, provably, wrong, as well as being quite at odds with American history.

If people are trained to do this in schools, then mass-shootings elsewhere in public become less likely, too, because a “counter-attack” mentality means they are more likely to be dragged down promptly, ending the spree. It will teach teamwork and coordination, self-defense, and an active rather than passive mentality.  It will also help in building self-confidence, by creating an independent outlook on life. Research shows that people who are targeted in a violent confrontation  have much less PTSD and other psychiatric recovery issues if they fought back and won, even if injured,  than if they were a passive receiver of violence. When the would-be victims fight back, it allows for heroes worthy of emulation on the good guys side, and destroys the image the sociopath has of themselves.

Is this a perfect solution to the problem of mass shooting and murderous psychopaths? Will it guarantee no casualties? Will it always work perfectly? Well, no, of course not. All choices and actions are an exercise in trade-offs. But it is virtually free to implement, may be laid out in a very short time to a class if an emergency arises elsewhere in the building that you fear might head your way, has many potential positive side-effects, and few downsides. It’s a start toward creating a mindset in the nation of refusing to be a victim."

Not only do the cops not like this, I'm betting a good majority of the teachers won't either.  In those cases, parents need to cobble together a group of kids and their parents and present their own seminar.

The day a plan like this is acknowledged and implemented will be well beyond the date after which we've already reclaimed the country from the Leftist enemy.
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #116 on: July 29, 2012, 11:25:33 PM »
Taking from the police?  Yeah, right!  They surrendered, caved in, and refuse to "protect & serve"...

If you and I don't protect ourselves, nobody will, period.

That stood out immediately for me too.

I trained to be a lifeguard and passed my certification when I was in my teens. I learned hoe to do deep-water rescues which I understand are not politically correct these days. We learned techniques for rescuing people in distress without unduly endangering ourselves. We also knew that there were some risks involved that could be mitigated and managed but not always eliminated. Even as a kid I understood and accepted those risks because I wanted to do something of value.

When I look back upon the Columbine Massacre and other similar incidents I see that the po-po response was first and foremost to CYA. Innocent civilians who depended on the po-po lost their lives because the po-po were protecting themselves. Yes, there are circumstances where I expect the cops to take a bullet. If they aren't prepared to do this they're in the wrong line of work. That said, I won't ever hold my breath.

And that said, I totally concur with this line of training. Better to die on your feet fighting like a man...

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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #117 on: July 29, 2012, 11:34:01 PM »
Taking from the police?  Yeah, right!  They surrendered, caved in, and refuse to "protect & serve"...

If you and I don't protect ourselves, nobody will, period.

How pacified our culture has become. 
It has always been our duty to protect
ourselves and our neighbors, it's been
erased by the re-writers of our history.


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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #118 on: July 30, 2012, 12:26:09 AM »
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The day a plan like this is acknowledged and implemented will be well beyond the date after which we've already reclaimed the country from the Leftist enemy.

Aw hell, IDP; acknowledged and implemented by whom?  The Powers Thet be?  Screw that; the best of us never sat on our asses waiting to be told what to do.  This here passing on of instruction is what parents have always done and their doing so now will be the saving of us.  Teach it to your sons, tell them to tell it to their friends; this is the sort of forthright action that appeals to young men needing to assert themselves in the way young men do, warriors in training.

The conventional wisdom for dealing with airliner hijackings was to not resist and all would be well.  Until it wasn't.  How long did it take for such "wisdom" to be dumped out the airlock?  As little as 2-3 hours, when the folks on United Flight 93 realized that meekly putting their heads between their legs and kissing their asses goodbye was not the way to go, so they went out fighting.

The acknowledgement will come long after the implementation is put into practice, and who gives a royal rat's?
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Re: Police: 14 dead in Colorado theater shooting
« Reply #119 on: July 30, 2012, 01:37:31 AM »
It's like all that unmitigated bullsh*t the Only Ones feed the public:

  • Don't resist the assailant
  • Give them what they want
  • A gun will only be taken from you and used against you
  • Just carry a cell phone and a whistle
  • Don't take the law into your own hands

More exaltation of victimhood. It's pathetic. Especially when nominal men repeat this nonsense. For God's sake sound off like you've got a pair. We're Americans, not Frenchmen.
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