Topic: Obesity, diet, seed oils

[patentlymn]

In some opinions these re the worst. Canola, Corn, Cottonseed, Soy, Sunflower, Safflower, Grapeseed, and Rice bran.

I dug a little and was told that people in modern day Russia and Ukraine ate sunflower seeds and maybe oils. It is all dose dependent anyway.  I wonder if this happened only after industrialization.

To produce one ounce of sunflower oil, you typically need about 2 to 3 ounces of sunflower seeds.

Humans have been producing sunflower oil since the early 19th century. Sunflowers were first cultivated for oil extraction in Russia in the 1830s, and the oil gained popularity in Europe and North America over the following decades. By the late 1800s, it became a widely used cooking oil.

from chatgpt

Here's a brief timeline for when these oils began being produced:

    Canola Oil: Developed from rapeseed in Canada in the 1970s, canola oil gained popularity in the 1980s.

    Corn Oil: Extracted from corn germ, it became commercially available in the early 1900s, with increasing popularity in the mid-20th century.

    Cottonseed Oil: This oil has been produced since the mid-19th century, becoming more common after the Civil War in the United States.

    Soybean Oil: Commercial production began in the early 1900s, with significant growth in the 1920s and beyond as soybeans became a staple crop.

    Sunflower Oil: As mentioned earlier, it began to be produced in the 1830s in Russia.

    Safflower Oil: Production started in the early 20th century, with increased cultivation in the 1960s.

    Grapeseed Oil: While grape seeds were historically discarded during winemaking, commercial extraction began in the late 20th century.

    Rice Bran Oil: This oil has been used in Asian cooking for centuries, but it gained wider recognition and commercial production in the mid-20th century.

These oils reflect the agricultural practices and technological advancements of their respective times!

[patentlymn]

Correlation is not causation but ....

[Libertas]

Who benefits from BigAg farms, other than BigAg itself?

[patentlymn]

I recall TV news was sponsored by Pfizer and Lockheed Martin. No one is going base those buying decisions on such advertising. It is to control the news.

Time for Cargill to sponsor the news?

This seed oil thing makes me wonder. Those graphs or plots alone give me pause.
Some of those lemon pie fillings are made with palm oil (not palm kernel oil) while others are soybean oil. I think palm oil  is recent but OK.

Palm oil has been in substantial use for centuries. It originated in West Africa, where it was utilized for cooking and traditional medicine. The commercial cultivation of oil palm (Elaeis guineensis) began in the 19th century, particularly in the 1840s, when it was introduced to Southeast Asia, primarily Malaysia and Indonesia. Since then, palm oil production has rapidly increased, becoming a significant global commodity, especially in the late 20th century and into the 21st century. Today, it's widely used in food products, cosmetics, and industrial applications.

Palm oil is primarily composed of triglycerides, which are esters formed from glycerol and fatty acids. The chemical makeup of palm oil consists of the following fatty acids:

    Saturated Fatty Acids (about 50%):
        Palmitic acid (C16:0) - approximately 40%
        Stearic acid (C18:0) - about 4-5%

    Unsaturated Fatty Acids (about 50%):
        Oleic acid (C18:1, monounsaturated) - around 40%
        Linoleic acid (C18:2, polyunsaturated) - about 10%

    Minor Components:
        Tocopherols (vitamin E)
        Carotenoids (provitamin A)
        Phytosterols

The exact composition can vary based on factors such as the variety of oil palm, growing conditions, and processing methods. Overall, palm oil is notable for its high level of saturated fats compared to many other vegetable oils, which contributes to its stability and shelf life.

[Libertas]

H/T-WRSA@GAB

Always been skeptical of Pharma and never like taken anything if I can avoid it...but ever since the Branch Covidian BS I cast a skeptical eye on everything medical related.

Drugs should not be the default answer!

[patentlymn]

I recall US ozempic prices are around 8 times those in EU countries.

[Libertas]

Big Pharma needs revenue...and Americans are rich selfish pigs demanding a fix-it-pill and thus ripe for shaking down...

[paulh]

Sharyl Attkisson's "Follow The Science" arrives tomorrow.(My 59th anniversary gift)(I got her a mini chain saw) If it's like the rest of her books and reporting it should be a great read.

[patentlymn]

I recall the FDA food pyramid under LBJ was politically determined.

There is a funny episode of The Good Wife "Whine and Cheese" where two lobbying groups fight over the next food pyramid or some such.

[Libertas]

The ‘Cocktail Therapy’ That Repairs Mitochondria
Chen has developed a comprehensive “cocktail therapy” approach to restore and enhance mitochondrial function. This protocol includes five key components.

1. Optimizing Energy Sources
Start with a low-carb ketogenic diet, with no more than 30 grams (1 ounce) of carbohydrates per day. Switching the fuel supply to mitochondria from glucose to ketones can lower blood sugar and keep it stable. This can also allow the mitochondria function to return to normal gradually, allowing the pancreas, liver, and immune system to return to a healthy state. This is a remedy for the mitochondria that were damaged due to previous long-term high sugar (carbohydrate) diet, staying up late, and other factors.

If the mitochondria of the pancreas and liver are damaged due to these factors, insulin resistance or reduced glucose tolerance will occur and may even lead to diabetes, Chen said. Once we switch from glucose to ketones, we break free from the limitations of glucose metabolism. Mitochondria, now unburdened, can efficiently use ketones for energy. This revitalizes organs like the pancreas and liver, restoring their proper functions.

2. Nutrient Supplementation
The next step is to use certain nutrients to repair and renew the mitochondria. This includes supplementing the mitochondria with the primary important antioxidant, glutathione.

Since this nutrient cannot be taken directly because it will be destroyed by gastric acid, we can take some of its precursors, including N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) and glycine, as supplements. They will synthesize an appropriate amount of glutathione, which will neutralize the free radicals produced by the mitochondria and help them repair themselves, slowly leaving the mitochondria to become healthy again.

3. Grounding and Environmental Factors
Another approach involves restoring mitochondrial membrane potential through grounding, either by direct earth contact or exposure to the Schumann Resonances. This natural electromagnetic frequency from Earth can help normalize cell membrane potential, preserving up to 20 percent of mitochondrial production capacity.

Mitochondria typically expend 20 percent of their energy each night restoring normal cell membrane potential. External grounding and pulsed electromagnetic field therapy (PEMF), a noninvasive treatment that uses electromagnetic fields to promote healing and improve various health conditions, can reduce this energy burden on the mitochondria.

This approach, Chen suggests, could not only reverse disease but also help achieve optimal health and vitality.

4. Quality Sleep
 

Chen emphasized that “mitochondrial cocktail therapy” also needs to go with exercise and good rest.
Equally important is to avoid damage to mitochondria from environmental pollution, food additives, pesticides, and other toxins.

 

He specifically mentioned that we must maintain a quality sleep routine and ensure an adequate amount of deep sleep every night. Although this may sound like common sense, most people don’t do it.

5. ‘Zone 2’ Exercise
Chen strongly recommends “Zone 2” exercise, which focuses on low-heart rate training. This type of exercise uses aerobic respiration but does not produce lactic acid, so it won’t make you feel tired.

Examples of Zone 2 exercises include ultra-slow jogging, brisk walking, or leisurely biking. You should be able to talk during these activities, but you'll notice that you’re breathing a bit harder. This level of exercise helps improve mitochondrial efficiency, gradually repairing organs.

In contrast, more intense endurance training can increase the number of mitochondria, boosting their overall production capacity.

According to Chen, any form of exercise benefits mitochondrial health, whether it improves efficiency, increases the number of mitochondria, or both. However, Zone 2 exercise is more manageable for most people. It’s less likely to cause injuries and can be done indoors or outdoors, making it a more accessible option.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/mitochondrial-imbalance-linked-90-percent-chronic-diseases

[patentlymn]

Interesting stuff.
I cook in a crock pot some times. Mine does not have a removable part. My son recommended I use an oven bag.
I may try those.

I My preferred meat is often baked chicken thighs or legs. Sometimes pork roast. If the seed oils are a real thing I became aware that the omega 6 oils are higher in chicken and pork than in ruminant animals like cows.  However some say that cows fed feed with soy beans and corn (not grass fed) are also higher in omega 6. Who knows......

[patentlymn]

I recall a 4:1 ratio is best

from chatGPT
The omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acid ratio in meats can vary depending on factors such as the animal's diet, farming practices, and specific cuts of meat. However, here is a general idea of the omega-6 to omega-3 ratios for the common meats you've asked about:
1. Chicken (conventional)

    Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio: About 15:1 to 20:1
    Explanation: Conventional chicken, raised on a grain-based diet, tends to have a high omega-6 content and relatively low omega-3 levels. This ratio can be reduced somewhat if the chicken is pasture-raised or fed a diet rich in omega-3s (e.g., flaxseed or algae), but conventional chicken is still much higher in omega-6 fatty acids.

2. Turkey (conventional)

    Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio: About 10:1 to 15:1
    Explanation: Like chicken, conventional turkey raised on grain-based feed tends to have a high omega-6 to omega-3 ratio. The ratio can be improved with pasture-raised or omega-3-enriched diets.

3. Pork

    Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio: About 10:1 to 15:1
    Explanation: Conventional pork, particularly from factory-farmed pigs, also has a high omega-6 to omega-3 ratio. The ratio may be improved in pigs raised on a pasture-based or omega-3-enhanced diet, though it still remains higher in omega-6s compared to other meats.

4. Beef (grain-fed)

    Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio: About 5:1 to 10:1
    Explanation: Grain-fed beef typically has a higher omega-6 to omega-3 ratio compared to grass-fed beef. The ratio can vary depending on the animal's diet, but grain-fed beef still tends to have more omega-6s compared to omega-3s.

Grass-fed Beef (or pasture-raised animals in general)

    Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio: About 2:1 to 3:1
    Explanation: Grass-fed beef and other pasture-raised meats have a much lower omega-6 to omega-3 ratio because the animals are eating a more natural diet rich in omega-3s from grass. This results in a better balance of omega-3 fatty acids in the meat.

Summary:

    Conventional meats (chicken, turkey, pork, and grain-fed beef) tend to have high omega-6 to omega-3 ratios (typically 10:1 to 20:1).
    Pasture-raised or grass-fed meats tend to have lower omega-6 to omega-3 ratios (about 2:1 to 5:1), which is a healthier balance for reducing inflammation and supporting heart health.

If you're looking to optimize omega-3 intake, focusing on grass-fed beef, pasture-raised poultry, or incorporating fish (especially fatty fish like salmon, mackerel, or sardines) would be a good choice.

[Syzygy]

I recall the FDA food pyramid under LBJ was politically determined.

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I don't recall there being a so-called "food pyramid" at that time.  Forget what format good eating practices with the 7 main food groups were "displayed"(by the USDA) at the time,  but I know for certain it was not in pyramid form:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid_(nutrition)

As for politics involved in the pyramid's development:

In April 1991, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) halted publication of its Eating Right Pyramid, due to objections raised by meat and dairy lobbying groups concerning the guide’s display of their products.
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This incident was only one of many in which the food industry attempted to alter federal dietary recommendations in their own economic self-interest.
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Several researchers have said that food and agricultural associations exert undue political power on the USDA.

From what I've been reading in this thread,   meat and dairy are the good guys now,  so maybe they were right to challenge the USDA's depiction of them on the pyramid. 

If you want to get an idea about what the USDA recommends for daily intake for each of the food groups,   do like I did many years ago and extrapolate from the numbers listed for each on the Nutrition Facts label on whatever product. 

E.g.,   I solved for fat based on the % of daily fat intake one serving of sausage represented,  then extrapolated out to total daily fat intake(as a % of overall daily food/caloric intake)  as recommended by the USDA,  represented by that one serving percentage. 
As best as I remember,  it worked out to near 30%,  much to my surprise.  May have changed since then so if I get the chance,  I may do it again just to see.
(Those who are math challenged may need assistance for this    J/K)

[patentlymn]

You are correct about the pyramid not coming until long after LBJ. I remember some politics during LBJ also.

I recently came across another detail. There are high oleic acid varieties of some seed oils. They have more mono unsaturated fatty acids and fewer poly unsaturated fatty acids.

High oleic acid varieties of seed oils—such as high oleic sunflower oil, high oleic safflower oil, and high oleic canola oil—are specially bred to contain higher amounts of oleic acid, a monounsaturated fatty acid (MUFA). These oils have several key advantages, especially in terms of health, stability, and culinary applications:
1. Improved Heart Health

    Monounsaturated Fatty Acids (MUFAs): Oleic acid is a type of MUFA, which has been shown to improve heart health by:
        Reducing bad LDL cholesterol while increasing good HDL cholesterol levels.
        Decreasing inflammation in the body, which is linked to heart disease.
        Lowering the risk of stroke and potentially improving arterial health.
    Omega-9 Fatty Acids: Oleic acid is an omega-9 fatty acid, which has been associated with a variety of positive health outcomes, including improved insulin sensitivity and lower rates of metabolic syndrome.
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Summary of Omega-6 to Omega-3 Ratios:

    High Oleic Canola Oil: ~ 2:1 to 3:1 (better balance of omega-6 to omega-3)
    High Oleic Safflower Oil: ~ 10:1 to 15:1 (still higher in omega-6, but better than conventional safflower oil)
    High Oleic Sunflower Oil: ~ 10:1 to 20:1 (higher omega-6, but improved compared to regular sunflower oil)
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    Canola oil has the best omega-6 to omega-3 ratio among these three high oleic oils, making it the most favorable option for improving the balance of fats in the diet.

To optimize omega-3 intake, it's still ideal to include foods rich in omega-3s like fatty fish, flaxseed, and chia seeds, as even high oleic oils don't provide significant amounts of omega-3s.

[Syzygy]

The ‘Cocktail Therapy’ That Repairs Mitochondria
Chen has developed a comprehensive “cocktail therapy” approach to restore and enhance mitochondrial function. This protocol includes five key components.

...

3. Grounding and Environmental Factors
Another approach involves restoring mitochondrial membrane potential through grounding, either by direct earth contact or exposure to the Schumann Resonances. This natural electromagnetic frequency from Earth can help normalize cell membrane potential, preserving up to 20 percent of mitochondrial production capacity.

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That's all I need to read to determine this guy is a quack.

" ...This natural electromagnetic frequency from Earth..."

What about man-made EMF's given off by every damn electrical device we surround ourselves with 24/7,  including our cellphones ? Why no mention of them,  whether good or bad?

[Libertas]

The ‘Cocktail Therapy’ That Repairs Mitochondria
Chen has developed a comprehensive “cocktail therapy” approach to restore and enhance mitochondrial function. This protocol includes five key components.

...

3. Grounding and Environmental Factors
Another approach involves restoring mitochondrial membrane potential through grounding, either by direct earth contact or exposure to the Schumann Resonances. This natural electromagnetic frequency from Earth can help normalize cell membrane potential, preserving up to 20 percent of mitochondrial production capacity.

...

That's all I need to read to determine this guy is a quack.

" ...This natural electromagnetic frequency from Earth..."

What about man-made EMF's given off by every damn electrical device we surround ourselves with 24/7,  including our cellphones ? Why no mention of them,  whether good or bad?

That's where the tinfoil hat comes in...

 

[paulh]

My wife sleeps on a grounded sheet and has a grounded pillow case- i had to run the ground. She's 83, I'm 80 and sleep by myself.

[Syzygy]

My wife sleeps on a grounded sheet and has a grounded pillow case- i had to run the ground. She's 83, I'm 80 and sleep by myself.

If you don't mind my asking,  how is it possible to ground non-electrically conductive material?

[Syzygy]

The ‘Cocktail Therapy’ That Repairs Mitochondria
Chen has developed a comprehensive “cocktail therapy” approach to restore and enhance mitochondrial function. This protocol includes five key components.

...

3. Grounding and Environmental Factors
Another approach involves restoring mitochondrial membrane potential through grounding, either by direct earth contact or exposure to the Schumann Resonances. This natural electromagnetic frequency from Earth can help normalize cell membrane potential, preserving up to 20 percent of mitochondrial production capacity.

...

That's all I need to read to determine this guy is a quack.

" ...This natural electromagnetic frequency from Earth..."

What about man-made EMF's given off by every damn electrical device we surround ourselves with 24/7,  including our cellphones ? Why no mention of them,  whether good or bad?

That's where the tinfoil hat comes in...

 

lol
A grounded one I hope.

[paulh]

My wife sleeps on a grounded sheet and has a grounded pillow case- i had to run the ground. She's 83, I'm 80 and sleep by myself.

If you don't mind my asking,  how is it possible to ground non-electrically conductive material?

The sheet & pillow case have embedded conductive material and that's extended to the house ground via a cable. Lightning strike she's cooked.