It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: charlesoakwood on October 30, 2011, 11:04:19 PM
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Politico is either going for the kill a little early or Machiavelli is alive and well.
Link (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html)
During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.
FLASHBACK: 'I'M READY FOR HIGH-TECH LYNCHING'... (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-sounds-race-debate-win-and-need-simplify-government)
"They're going to come after me more viciously than they would a white candidate," Cain responded. "You're right. Clarence Thomas. And so, to use Clarence Thomas as an example, I'm ready for the same high-tech lynching that he went through -- for the good of this country." Cain smiled broadly. "I'm ready for the same high-tech lynching."
Coulter: 'They Are Terrified Of Strong, Conservative, Black Men'... (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/30/coulter_on_politicos_smear_of_cain_liberals_terrified_of_strong_conservative_black_men.html)
Ann Coulter responds to a report from the "liberal publication" Politico that Herman Cain sexually harassed two women while he was the president of the National Restaurant Association.
The most damning part of the report, which is not well sourced, seems to be that Mr. Cain made "physical gestures" that weren't sexual in nature, but made the women uncomfortable:
There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not
overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or
witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper
in a professional relationship.
click the link for video and links: here (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/30/coulter_on_politicos_smear_of_cain_liberals_terrified_of_strong_conservative_black_men.html)
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I'm tired of the "Black" sh*t.
Now that it can't be done with a Black candidate, it's the sexual harassment/oppression sh*t.
SAME sh*t, different arena.
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This election season will be the muckraker of a lifetime.
It was 20 years ago they tried to lynch Thomas. A 30 year
old voter would have been 10 a forty year old voter 20.
How close attention did they pay to the hearing.
The commies drag out these old reruns and to a third of the
voting public it's brand new.
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Just listened to Cain's spokesman painfully and amateurishly dodge direct questions from Geraldo. I don't think this is going away. They needed to come forward and lay it out square. Having this raked up by Politico and then trying to play the poor-me game isn't gonna work.
If there were no women and no allegation, they need to say it, and stand by it. But if the women were paid to make life easy, or to keep the organization from being tarnished by the allegation, or to prevent a more costly battle - or to protect a lecherous man - then they need to speak the truth, so we can get on with the disaster at hand.
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There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not
overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or
witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper
in a professional relationship.
Well, IDP, there's your laying it out. Obviously not the mark of a "lecherous man."
So what is it the mark of. Flipping someone off? Remember, this is NOT sexual. I can't think of anything else, without becoming sexual.
No, this is expected, out of the trash that is today's left. But unless that 21st century J-School trash comes up with something along the lines of raping a woman in a Little Rock hotel room, or leaving a woman to slowly drown to death, it won't go anywhere. Remember, Clarence Thomas didn't go anywhere, and that was before people left the MSM in droves.
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No , it's not going away . My only interest is ... "who" initiated the dirt digging ... "when" did they start the dig ... "why" did they start the dig ... "where" did they find these women who agreed to violate a non-disclosure agreement ?.... All legitimate journalistic questions .
I think we should go all-out in digging into the past of every liberal politician and journalist in the country and find out where some REALLY dirty bones are buried .
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Yup, recycling the Anita Hill playbook. How predictable. If handled properly this could prove beneficial to Cain and disasterous to Ruling Class jackasses. If I had to guess who dug this up I'd go with The Butthead or Valerie Jarrett.
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If I had to guess who dug this up I'd go with The Butthead or Valerie Jarrett.
If I had to guess I'd say that anyone looking deep enough and far enough back will find that Stymie was probably humping Jarrett and took her along to DC just to shut her up .
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If I had to guess, it would be one of the Repub candidates
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If I had to guess, it would be one of the Repub candidates
That's pretty cynical . Why didn't I think of it ?
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According to Hot Air, allegedly, Cain invited a woman to his hotel room, which of course, is worse than having the woman accept, then raping her, or just jerking off in front of her, because Cain is black and Clinton is white, and that's that.
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All I'm saying is that after hearing the pathetic attempt at denial/spin by Cain's spokesman, there needs to be a coming-clean - today. I don't care what it is.
If he told a woman that her blouse was too low cut for a meeting with Mr. Foodexec, we need to know that that is the nature of the situation. If he told her she looked hot in her skirt, we need to know it. If she drummed up a complaint out of thin air and the association paid her to go away, we need to know it. If he chased her around the desk with his 2nd Chakra hangin' out, we need to know it.
A long drawn out drive-by accusation/weak denial cycle will derail this campaign, and harm the republican brand at the wrong moment. Cain needs to man up, now, deal with this head-on. If the truth means the end of his candidacy, better now than later. If the truth exonerates him of wrongdoing, better now than later. The pathetic dancing I've heard so far will not suffice.
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As I've read elsewhere, the dancing around might be because of a legal agreement. If the other side breaks the agreement first, then then agreement is void.
From Team HC: Be sure to watch Mr. Cain on FOX News Happening Now today at 11:15am Eastern!
On my Facebook wall, which might be (hopefully) Cain unloading on a now voided agreement.
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All I'm saying is that after hearing the pathetic attempt at denial/spin by Cain's spokesman, there needs to be a coming-clean - today. I don't care what it is.
If he told a woman that her blouse was too low cut for a meeting with Mr. Foodexec, we need to know that that is the nature of the situation. If he told her she looked hot in her skirt, we need to know it. If she drummed up a complaint out of thin air and the association paid her to go away, we need to know it. If he chased her around the desk with his 2nd Chakra hangin' out, we need to know it.
A long drawn out drive-by accusation/weak denial cycle will derail this campaign, and harm the republican brand at the wrong moment. Cain needs to man up, now, deal with this head-on. If the truth means the end of his candidacy, better now than later. If the truth exonerates him of wrongdoing, better now than later. The pathetic dancing I've heard so far will not suffice.
Yes.
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I remember in my youth a pulp paperback book called Mandingo.
Never read it (it was a chick book) but I think it was about some Southern belle and her strapping black slave.
Don't all these black guys exude sexuality and all white chicks want them?
This comment may be totally irrelevant but my stream of consciousness took off on me
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All I can say to poor Herman is:
Welcome to the party.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkyskI13KOs#) ::rimshot::
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Now now jpatrickham - remember that our good Sgt. wins in the end... ;D
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Personally, I'm not too concerned about this. I heard Cain's response where he said that the allegations were baseless and that he prevailed in the investigation. If it turns out to be different then it will be Cain's body hitting the windshield.
As an aside and as someone who has been named in a sexual harassment suit, I can truly appreciate the precarious nature of Cain's position. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
At least it wasn't boys alleging the misdeeds - like in Øbozo's case... :o
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Rush is opining on this right now...
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Now now jpatrickham - remember that our good Sgt. wins in the end... ;D
Yes if it was real life, this Drama is! ::saywhat::
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Rush is opining on this right now...
... And he's hitting it with both barrels, too.
UPDATE: Cain has now issued an unequivocal denial. There were accusations, an investigation and he was "acquitted", he said.
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Yeah, I like it when he gets on a roll...he's best when he is unleashed...
But aren't we all!
;)
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I wish Cain would have come forward with the nature of the false allegations. Because you just KNOW those allegations will come forward. Why wouldn't you want that to happen at a time of your own choosing, and to come from your own mouth?
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From what I've heard there were obscure "suggestive gestures" that made the women "uncomfortable". That could just about anything innocuous that someone misinterpreted. Unless there's exposed flesh, explicit sexual threats, groping of body parts, or threats of firing unless sexual acts are performed, then to me it's not sexual harassment. I've known more than one man whose careers have been destroyed based on some innuendo from some female co-worker. It's more than not fair.
It always enraged me that no one bothered to ask Anita Hill how she knew that hair on her coke was a pubic hair and not some stray hair from someone's head, and how she could be so sure it was from Clarence Thomas.
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From what I've heard there were obscure "suggestive gestures" that made the women "uncomfortable". That could just about anything innocuous that someone misinterpreted. Unless there's exposed flesh, explicit sexual threats, groping of body parts, or threats of firing unless sexual acts are performed, then to me it's not sexual harassment. I've known more than one man whose careers have been destroyed based on some innuendo from some female co-worker. It's more than not fair.
It always enraged me that no one bothered to ask Anita Hill how she knew that hair on her coke was a pubic hair and not some stray hair from someone's head, and how she could be so sure it was from Clarence Thomas.
And nothing "overtly sexual" either.
The more he talks about it, even to describe the accusations, the more play it's going to get, IDP.
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Right, but if he DOESN'T specify what the activity was, then the vague allegation of "sexual harassment" is open to innuendo and interpretation by the media, and ultimately voters. The charges are still there, and hay WILL be made of them, in spite of an unequivocal denial of misconduct. The only way I can see to rid the enemy of the ability to paint that picture however they want is for the event to have a specific definition that is no longer mysterious. That's why I say he needs to define what happened, and be done with it.
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Right, but if he DOESN'T specify what the activity was, then the vague allegation of "sexual harassment" is open to innuendo and interpretation by the media, and ultimately voters. The charges are still there, and hay WILL be made of them, in spite of an unequivocal denial of misconduct. The only way I can see to rid the enemy of the ability to paint that picture however they want is for the event to have a specific definition that is no longer mysterious. That's why I say he needs to define what happened, and be done with it.
Okay. So, say he comes out with a specific definition. That won't be the end of it; there will be multiple conversants offering opinions on whether this or that rises to the level of harassment, the Anita Hill BS will be brought up and rehashed with Cain's name tangentially but carefully attached, women who have won harassment cases or settled will be interviewed and asked for their opinion on the severity of the offense ......
I can't stand the thought; it makes me want to scream, so I'd rather see him finish what he has to say today and refuse to discuss it again. The LSM is going to continue to speculate no matter what, best give them no further fodder.
Just my opinion.
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Rush is right, and I share his incredulity of the absurd notion that Cain owes anybody an explanation of the nature of the false accusations levied against him for which he was exonerated...
They're bullsh*t!
Fvck the media, Cain should not play their game!
Hell, play the Clinton card...drag out pictures of the accusers, call them whores, etc! That is what the media is used to!
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"Equality," no longer is a Liberal argument. The wild hatred for People like Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, totally disqualify Liberals from the subject at all.The only other choices open to them are Gay's, Union Thugs, Islam Extremists, Communists, Anarchists, Socialists, and Sex Partners for Animal's. If I was them, I would sit down and shut up! ::grouphug::
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You know who just came forth and claimed that Cain needs to publicly describe the actual circumstances and nature of the "Harassment"?
Wait for it . . .
Wait for it . . .
The POS Politico "journalist" who broke the story.
"There are more questions here for him to answer. He has not yet explained what exactly he was accused of. He just said that he didn't do it. But, these are serious charges," Martin said on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports."
GIVE ME A BREAK.
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You know who just came forth and claimed that Cain needs to publicly describe the actual circumstances and nature of the "Harassment"?
Wait for it . . .
Wait for it . . .
The POS Politico "journalist" who broke the story.
"There are more questions here for him to answer. He has not yet explained what exactly he was accused of. He just said that he didn't do it. But, these are serious charges," Martin said on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports."
GIVE ME A BREAK.
I see. He didn't want to say in the interview, "We're just not going to get into the details of exactly what happened with these women beside what's in the story" and now he's calling for Cain to do so?!
Set up, I'm TELLING you.
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You know who just came forth and claimed that Cain needs to publicly describe the actual circumstances and nature of the "Harassment"?
Wait for it . . .
Wait for it . . .
The POS Politico "journalist" who broke the story.
"There are more questions here for him to answer. He has not yet explained what exactly he was accused of. He just said that he didn't do it. But, these are serious charges," Martin said on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports."
GIVE ME A BREAK.
I see. He didn't want to say in the interview, "We're just not going to get into the details of exactly what happened with these women beside what's in the story" and now he's calling for Cain to do so?!
Set up, I'm TELLING you.
Or does the payoff for the setup come later - when Cain is on record with a full-throated denial of misconduct - and the media trots out some woman a week before the general election who says he inappropriately told her to come to his hotel room, when the reality is that he called a staff meeting in a suite?
I'm just saying - we're already seeing it - the absence of specifics will be filled with whatever the media wants this to look like. Specifics - assuming nothing untoward happened - rob them of the opportunity to portray this as something its not, AND it gives those people inclined to support him some comfort that they are not wasting their time, energy, and money.
In spite of the good arguments against it here (and from Rush, apparently) I still think complete transparency is the best thing he could do here.
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It is infuriating, to the point of having no adequate means of conveyance, that we have to see our guys scrambling over non-specific hearsay and innuendo, while Democrats like Ted Kennedy, the "conscience of the Senate", could drive around drunk and leave a young woman to drown in his crashed car, and the media just gives it the ol' Memory Hole treatment.
Screw social justice. I want cosmic justice for these cretins.
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You know who just came forth and claimed that Cain needs to publicly describe the actual circumstances and nature of the "Harassment"?
Wait for it . . .
Wait for it . . .
The POS Politico "journalist" who broke the story.
"There are more questions here for him to answer. He has not yet explained what exactly he was accused of. He just said that he didn't do it. But, these are serious charges," Martin said on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports."
GIVE ME A BREAK.
I see. He didn't want to say in the interview, "We're just not going to get into the details of exactly what happened with these women beside what's in the story" and now he's calling for Cain to do so?!
Set up, I'm TELLING you.
Or does the payoff for the setup come later - when Cain is on record with a full-throated denial of misconduct - and the media trots out some woman a week before the general election who says he inappropriately told her to come to his hotel room, when the reality is that he called a staff meeting in a suite?
I'm just saying - we're already seeing it - the absence of specifics will be filled with whatever the media wants this to look like. Specifics - assuming nothing untoward happened - rob them of the opportunity to portray this as something its not, AND it gives those people inclined to support him some comfort that they are not wasting their time, energy, and money.
In spite of the good arguments against it here (and from Rush, apparently) I still think complete transparency is the best thing he could do here.
We have now entered the damned if he does, damned if he don't, room. Herman Cain could have 1000 women come forward in his defense, but it does not matter. This is not about the truth. This is politics of personal destruction. They have thier red meat. This will not go away, no matter how transparent Cain becomes.
Regretfully, somebody better vette the women making the accuasions. We need an operative who will drag these women thru the mud, just or unjust, as happened to the women who clinton harrassed. We need to understand their backgrounds, where they work, what they eat, where they live, etc. I hate to encourage or suggest this, but these women better be discredited or Cain will never hear the end of it.
When you have sleaze who will break an agreement, trust me, they have skeletons in the closet....... and even at this, it may not matter to the media.
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We have now entered the damned if he does, damned if he don't, room.
Just so.
And so Cain's people better get to work on their own "oppositional research" on these women, as you recommend.
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At least give me a pubic hair to work with...
Cain details gesture that led to sex accusation (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/cain-details-gesture-led-sex-charge)
"She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying -- and I was standing close to her -- and I made a gesture saying you are the same height as my wife. And I brought my hand up to my chin saying, 'My wife comes up to my chin.'" At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin. "And that was put in there [the complaint] as something that made her uncomfortable," Cain said, "something that was in the sexual harassment charge."
Ball in your court, JournoLister at Politico. Man up and put up.
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The press offensive was originally planned to discuss Cain's economic plans, but has turned into a series of questions about the sexual harassment allegations from the 1990s.
Well, doncha just question the timing? Now, every interview will turn into Cain being asked for more information and more details.
Set UP.
I don't "love" Herman Cain as THE candidate, but this just boils my blood.
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At least give me a pubic hair to work with...
Cain details gesture that led to sex accusation (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/cain-details-gesture-led-sex-charge)
"She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying -- and I was standing close to her -- and I made a gesture saying you are the same height as my wife. And I brought my hand up to my chin saying, 'My wife comes up to my chin.'" At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin. "And that was put in there [the complaint] as something that made her uncomfortable," Cain said, "something that was in the sexual harassment charge."
Ball in your court, JournoLister at Politico. Man up and put up.
LOL....sounds like a lawsuit chaser.....Now will someone please check to see how many other sexual harrassment lawsuits she has filed?
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Screw social justice. I want cosmic justice for these cretins.
Divine justice.
Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels;
cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they
have rebelled against thee.
OK?
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From what I've read on the net this is going to turn into a money bomb for Cain. ::thumbsup:: ::whoohoo::
I know I just sent him$$$$
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Standing near her and telling her she's as tall as your wife, with your hand at chin height?!?!?! oh the horror. I'm guessing she's got a room fool of bigots behind her coaching her right now. Better get Atticus Finch on the case.
Money bomb is right. I'm sending him $ too.
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I know I just sent him$$$$
Me too...
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Well, who was betting on Rove as the 'disturber'?
When Gov. Sarah Palin was deciding whether or not to get into the presidential race, Karl Rove was popping up on Fox News to talk about why her skin was too thin for the job. And when Gov. Rick Perry was thinking about his entrance into the race, Rove was Johnny-on-the-spot with reasons why a Perry candidacy would not be viable either.
Now Rove’s moved on to Herman Cain, whose candidacy he’s doing all he can to sink, sidetrack, or otherwise derail. (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/10/28/karl-rove-says-cains-finished-zogby-says-he-trounces-romney-head-to-head/)
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I want to see that fat tub of sh1t bending a street lamp.
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I was always a knee-jerk defender of Rove because he was on the Left's hate-list. I wish that piece of scat the very worst of fates. He's doing more to harm conservatism and bring about the downfall of the nation than most rank-and-file Democrats could dream of doing.
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As much a Nancy would like to see him on a silver platter
with an apple in his mouth she would let him run till 2012.
She's drooling.
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Regretfully, somebody better vette the women making the accuasions. We need an operative who will drag these women thru the mud, just or unjust, as happened to the women who clinton harrassed. We need to understand their backgrounds, where they work, what they eat, where they live, etc. I hate to encourage or suggest this, but these women better be discredited or Cain will never hear the end of it.
I agree that we need to start digging as quickly as possible . The Politico puke who broke the story will certainly NOT reveal his source . That would be helping Cain wouldn't it ? Martin only talks about "serious charges" brought by we don't know whom . And ; " He has not yet explained what exactly he was [is] accused of ." I thought Martin knows . He acts like he does . But he ain't tellin' !
I'll be honest ; I cast a certain amount of blame on Cain . He should have been looking back at least as far as he was looking forward . He should have anticipated that this would come up and been ready with a forceful response to put the quietus to the whole issue at once . Instead we're left fuming and looking for a person(s) who may well be a "Serial Extortionist" and yet still demanding details , not from Cain but from Martin at Politico who has a hell of a lot more details than he's willing to divulge and a certain amount of explaining of his own . But , of course , the media loves a Kangaroo Court in which the burden of proof is on the defendant and rules of evidence and discovery are thrown out the window .
It would appear that "the whole story" is exactly what Politico DOESN'T want the public to have .
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Well, who was betting on Rove as the 'disturber'?
When Gov. Sarah Palin was deciding whether or not to get into the presidential race, Karl Rove was popping up on Fox News to talk about why her skin was too thin for the job. And when Gov. Rick Perry was thinking about his entrance into the race, Rove was Johnny-on-the-spot with reasons why a Perry candidacy would not be viable either.
Now Rove’s moved on to Herman Cain, whose candidacy he’s doing all he can to sink, sidetrack, or otherwise derail. (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/10/28/karl-rove-says-cains-finished-zogby-says-he-trounces-romney-head-to-head/)
See, I told you so!
::laserkill::
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Regretfully, somebody better vette the women making the accuasions. We need an operative who will drag these women thru the mud, just or unjust, as happened to the women who clinton harrassed. We need to understand their backgrounds, where they work, what they eat, where they live, etc. I hate to encourage or suggest this, but these women better be discredited or Cain will never hear the end of it.
I agree that we need to start digging as quickly as possible . The Politico puke who broke the story will certainly NOT reveal his source . That would be helping Cain wouldn't it ? Martin only talks about "serious charges" brought by we don't know whom . And ; " He has not yet explained what exactly he was [is] accused of ." I thought Martin knows . He acts like he does . But he ain't tellin' !
I'll be honest ; I cast a certain amount of blame on Cain . He should have been looking back at least as far as he was looking forward . He should have anticipated that this would come up and been ready with a forceful response to put the quietus to the whole issue at once . Instead we're left fuming and looking for a person(s) who may well be a "Serial Extortionist" and yet still demanding details , not from Cain but from Martin at Politico who has a hell of a lot more details than he's willing to divulge and a certain amount of explaining of his own . But , of course , the media loves a Kangaroo Court in which the burden of proof is on the defendant and rules of evidence and discovery are thrown out the window .
It would appear that "the whole story" is exactly what Politico DOESN'T want the public to have .
I won't fault Cain for trying to preempt this before it broke, if I tried to preemptively disclose every potential speck of questionable/innocent actions in my past I would need a fricken week of press time to go over it all! And for what?
If I fault Cain at all it is for not fully appreciating the depths the Left will go to conduct their lynching of he or any candidate to the right of Stalin!
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Well, who was betting on Rove as the 'disturber'?
When Gov. Sarah Palin was deciding whether or not to get into the presidential race, Karl Rove was popping up on Fox News to talk about why her skin was too thin for the job. And when Gov. Rick Perry was thinking about his entrance into the race, Rove was Johnny-on-the-spot with reasons why a Perry candidacy would not be viable either.
Now Rove’s moved on to Herman Cain, whose candidacy he’s doing all he can to sink, sidetrack, or otherwise derail. (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/10/28/karl-rove-says-cains-finished-zogby-says-he-trounces-romney-head-to-head/)
See, I told you so!
::laserkill::
Ah! I couldn't remember who should be awarded the "you were right!".
Libertas, you were right!
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I swear I can smell that bastard!
As far as that List goes, I got dibs on this clown!
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With all the turmoil surrounding Cain, and concern for his candidacy (at least from me), leave it to Conan O'Brien (http://teamcoco.com/video/herman-cain-denounces-cheapshot-video-editing) to add a bit of lighthearted fun to the mix. (video)
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All of the co conspirators, Mainstream Media, Obama Hatchet Men, George Soros, Marxist Regime, and Mitt Romney have most likely handed the Republican Nomination to Herman Cain! ::unknowncomic::
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That's the way it looks to me as well JP.
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All of the co conspirators, Mainstream Media, Obama Hatchet Men, George Soros, Marxist Regime, and Mitt Romney have most likely handed the Republican Nomination to Herman Cain! ::unknowncomic::
Cain did announce his single biggest contribution day. If we are lucky, he slept with her and conceived love child.
The media is back on their game. Just a few years ago, they couldn't uncover a story about a presidential candidate having an affair as his wife died of cancer.
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Not one logical Conservative is available to vote for in 2012. What the f*ck happened? 2010 wasn't that long ago, and now we stand in an empty room listening to our own echo. We have been played, not only by the Democratic Party and it's affiliate News Room but, by the Republican brand as well.
It is time for a new brand, hold your nose and vote for a moderate or center right Candidate. After he or she is sworn into Office, we real Conservatives had better get started on a new and improved Conservative Party. If not, count on another Barack Obama and next time, they won't give back the throne!
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Not one logical Conservative is available to vote for in 2012. What the f*ck happened? 2010 wasn't that long ago, and now we stand in an empty room listening to our own echo. We have been played, not only by the Democratic Party and it's affiliate News Room but, by the Republican brand as well.
It is time for a new brand, hold your nose and vote for a moderate or center right Candidate. After he or she is sworn into Office, we real Conservatives had better get started on a new and improved Conservative Party. If not, count on another Barack Obama and next time, they won't give back the throne!
I read somewhere that the Whig party had the same problem during the run up to the 1860 election. Scandals and people were sick of the abomination of slavery and the Whigs didn't really care all that much one way or another.
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In the car, Radio Rush said, NY Post online article yesterday -
today last paragraph deleted- The woman's lawyer didn't remember
the suit, doesn't have the agreement, it's been tossed, didn't think
he went to the offices, he thinks it was handled by fax.
The NY Times article yesterday referred to the payment as severance.
This may one more time turn into a plus for Cain. One more incident
of PC attacks one more time "honest everyman" prevails.
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::gumballlight::
Cain is accusing the Perry camp of leaking the info.
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This thing is blowing up out of control.
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I was always a knee-jerk defender of Rove because he was on the Left's hate-list. I wish that piece of scat the very worst of fates. He's doing more to harm conservatism and bring about the downfall of the nation than most rank-and-file Democrats could dream of doing.
I was too until I realized he is just another Elitist/Progressive.
He'll destroy America if he thinks his side wins.
Remember "I have to suspend the capitalistic system to save the capitalistic system.........WTF ::doublebird:: ::gaah::
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More details of another incident are coming out. Cain called a woman attractive.... oh the horror.
Meanwhile Jon Stewart is running with a "lock up your white women" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/jon-stewart-herman-cain-sexual-harassment_n_1069217.html) theme.
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::conspiracyalert:: ::Buttheadalert::
There was backtalk of Romney's people being involved
with the Perry _ rock incident. The man who followed
Cain as C.E.O. at the NRA has an association with Romney.
TPOS
ETA: Until today he said it was in the '90s and couldn't
remember. Now it comes out that he was debriefed
about it in 2003.
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... OnMessage Inc., a Republican-leaning consulting firm recently hired to bolster Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s presidential campaign.
One of the firm’s partners, Curt Anderson, worked on Cain’s losing 2004 U.S. Senate campaign. Cain thinks he’s the hired political gun who leaked details to Politico, a Washington trade publication, of alleged “sexually suggestive behavior” Cain is said to have exhibited towards two women while he ran the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s. That story set off a media frenzy which has quickly put Cain’s campaign on the defense.
In the summer of 2003, Cain recalls briefing Anderson—his general campaign consultant at the time—that sexual harassment claims were brought against him while he was chairman of the National Restaurant Association from 1996 to 1999.
“I told my wife about this in 1999 and I’ve got nothing to hide,” Cain told me Wednesday. “When I sat down with my general campaign consultant Curt Anderson in a private room in our campaign offices in 2003 we discussed opposition research on me. It was a typical campaign conversation. I told him that there was only one case, one set of charges, one woman while I was at the National Restaurant Association. Those charges were baseless, but I thought he needed to know about them. I don’t recall anyone else being in the room when I told him.”
Curt Anderson phoned me to say “I never heard about this story until I read about it in Politico. I have nothing but good things to say about Herman Cain. I’m not going to bad-mouth Herman Cain to anyone, on or off the record. I think he is a guy of great leadership and integrity.”
Perry spokesman Ray Sullivan said it was “patently untrue” that the Perry campaign had any role in placing the sexual harassment story with Politico.
Aside from knowing about the alleged sexual harassment accusations, Cain campaign officials point to the timing of Anderson’s hiring by Perry as evidence of his involvement. The campaign announced Anderson’s role on October 24, just a week before Politico broke the story.
Pay attention to this, now >>>>
As for the story itself, Cain campaign officials complain Politico’s piece was an ambush. When Politico’s Martin contacted Cain campaign spokesman J.D. Gordon on late in the day on October 19, Gordon says Martin didn’t supply any details or documents that would allow the campaign to evaluate the claims. There were no names, locations, or exact descriptions of what Cain is alleged to have said or done. Gordon and the campaign say they couldn’t respond because they had no idea what they were responding to. Gordon even begged Harris to send him copies of any documents with the names blacked out. Harris refused.
Politico’s published piece is equally vague on what happened, saying only that:
On the details of Cain’s allegedly inappropriate behavior with the two women, POLITICO has a half-dozen sources shedding light on different aspects of the complaints.
The sources — including the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended. These incidents include conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature, taking place at hotels during conferences, at other officially sanctioned restaurant association events and at the association’s offices. There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.
Indeed, no one—the two women, the National Restaurant Association board member that Politico cites as its source, Politico itself, one of the aggrieved women’s attorney Joel Bennett, the National Restaurant Association itself—has supplied any concrete details of alleged harassment.
Washington attorney Joel P. Bennett, who represents one of the two women who claim that Cain mistreated her, doesn’t have a copy of agreements the women signed with the National Restaurant Association. “I haven’t seen a copy of this in 12 years,” he told me, adding that he hopes to get a copy from the National Restaurant Association. His client asked him to stop giving interviews. In the past 24 hours, he said, he had appeared on NBC, CBS, NYT and NPR.
The National Restaurant Association spokesperson, Sue Hensley, said that the association is bound by confidentiality agreements and employee-privacy regulations and cannot release any documents or comment in any way.
The Cain campaign, and even Cain himself, begged the association to at least supply some details, campaign officials say. Citing the confidentiality agreements, the association refused.
So Cain and the public are left boxing against shadows. And Cain is no longer on message. “Let’s just say that we would never do something like this,” Cain says. “It gives politics a bad name.”
Got this?
The "settlement" agreement, or whatthehell ever it was was not between Cain and anybody, it was between the woman and the association. He doesn't know what is in it, so much for divulging details, and he's left defending himself against innuendo.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2011/11/02/herman-cain-sexual-harassment-leak/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2011/11/02/herman-cain-sexual-harassment-leak/)
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Cain camp is accusing the Perry camp of leaking the accusations of sexual harassment. I hope he didn't.
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JF, you got to come around more often.
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Cain camp is accusing the Perry camp of leaking the accusations of sexual harassment. I hope he didn't.
Maybe Perry himself didn't.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/)
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In that interview, Wilson-who is doing polling for a political action committee supporting Texas Governor Rick Perry's campaign but is independent of it–described an incident with Cain and a female employee.
"This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia) and everybody was aware of it," said Wilson, who was a consultant for the organization at the time, in the KTOK interview. "It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left-everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up."
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Read it all here (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/)
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It time for someone to really go on offense and do some comparison to the trash that gets passes (no puns intended.)
At this point, I'm more disgusted that no Republican seems to be able to do this. The absolute worst that's out there is that Cain invited someone to his hotel room.
It's time for someone to compare to Clinton. Very graphically, very publicly, so this nonsense stops once and for all.
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http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/11/02/this-actually-makes-the-cain-campaign-look-worse/ (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/11/02/this-actually-makes-the-cain-campaign-look-worse/)
Pro Perry Red State has more than this to say:
He also knows his former strategist was a Romney guy in 2008 and now is definitely not on Team Cain for 2012.
He also knows that Anderson knows about this stuff.
And he still can’t come up with a measurable response when the story finally comes out?
Even more damaging, I think, is when people tie it all together. Herman Cain’s consultant from 2004 uncovered it in 2004 and Cain launched a Presidential bid in 2011 without coming up with a damage control plan on a major issue that could destroy his campaign?
(Never mind that Herman Cain says he only told Curt Anderson about one woman)
And now there is a third woman?!?
What. The. Hell.
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And the ever promoting and supportive of Cain The Other McCain (http://theothermccain.com/2011/11/02/good-bye-vanuatu-perry-linked-witness-predicts-if-cain-accuser-speaks-publicly-itll-probably-be-the-end-of-his-campaign/) says:
My advice to the Cain campaign? Start praying. Pray real hard.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/)
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In that interview, Wilson-who is doing polling for a political action committee supporting Texas Governor Rick Perry's campaign but is independent of it–described an incident with Cain and a female employee.
"This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia) and everybody was aware of it," said Wilson, who was a consultant for the organization at the time, in the KTOK interview. "It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left-everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up."
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Read it all here (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/)
Again, no details, lots of allusions and innuendo. This is really starting to piss me off.
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It time for someone to really go on offense and do some comparison to the trash that gets passes (no puns intended.)
At this point, I'm more disgusted that no Republican seems to be able to do this. The absolute worst that's out there is that Cain invited someone to his hotel room.[/b]
It's time for someone to compare to Clinton. Very graphically, very publicly, so this nonsense stops once and for all.
Invited, as in ::up and down eyebrows:: "invited", or asked for otherwise innocuous business purposes?
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JF, you got to come around more often.
I try believe me I try. I seem to be pooping out by 9.pm.
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It time for someone to really go on offense and do some comparison to the trash that gets passes (no puns intended.)
At this point, I'm more disgusted that no Republican seems to be able to do this. The absolute worst that's out there is that Cain invited someone to his hotel room.[/b]
It's time for someone to compare to Clinton. Very graphically, very publicly, so this nonsense stops once and for all.
Invited, as in ::up and down eyebrows:: "invited", or asked for otherwise innocuous business purposes?
If a repub leaked this it's going to piss everybody off. If it takes Cain out it will take the leaker out two and that all to Bambis advantage. The 11th commandment is sacred.
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JF, you got to come around more often.
I try believe me I try. I seem to be pooping out by 9.pm.
The problem is that your 9 o'clock is my 6 o'clock... ::gaah::
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The media - Left & Right - is calling THIS VIDEO Cain "lashing out" and having a "meltdown". The headlines are everywhere. In the Minneapolis Star Tribune was a 1/8-page editorial cartoon, with a caricature of Cain with a sh*t-eating grin saying, "9-9-9 is the number of women accusing me of sexual harassment."
High-tech lynching indeed. I don't know if this guy did anything untoward, but this isn't something to "get through". If he has any evidence that would clarify exactly what took place, and put this in a perspective other than what the media is in the process of creating - NOW is the time, Mr. Cain. Blaming leakers is NOT going to cut it.
Establishment of both parties decided this guy needs to be taken out, and everybody is in agreement. The only ones who can clear this up are Herman Cain and perhaps his so-called accusers.
Herman Cain Meltdown in Virginia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3jTzNk2zNE#)
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All that keeps going through my head is that a repub did this and it's driving me nuts. The SOB better not be a repub and I don't give a damn which repub.
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The media - Left & Right - is calling THIS VIDEO Cain "lashing out" and having a "meltdown". The headlines are everywhere. In the Minneapolis Star Tribune was a 1/8-page editorial cartoon, with a caricature of Cain with a sh*t-eating grin saying, "9-9-9 is the number of women accusing me of sexual harassment."
High-tech lynching indeed. I don't know if this guy did anything untoward, but this isn't something to "get through". If he has any evidence that would clarify exactly what took place, and put this in a perspective other than what the media is in the process of creating - NOW is the time, Mr. Cain. Blaming leakers is NOT going to cut it.
Establishment of both parties decided this guy needs to be taken out, and everybody is in agreement. The only ones who can clear this up are Herman Cain and perhaps his so-called accusers.
>snip<
IDP, did you read the Forbes article? Cain has no evidence, he's privy to no "evidence". The settlement agreements cannot be found, supposedly, and, as he had no say -- and little knowledge -- of what they included, there's nothing for him to clarify.
Think for a minute if what Richard Miniter writes is true. These are scurrilous accusations with no hard proof attached and folks are clamoring for the details of which he is barred from obtaining, thus explaining.
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The media - Left & Right - is calling THIS VIDEO Cain "lashing out" and having a "meltdown". The headlines are everywhere. In the Minneapolis Star Tribune was a 1/8-page editorial cartoon, with a caricature of Cain with a sh*t-eating grin saying, "9-9-9 is the number of women accusing me of sexual harassment."
High-tech lynching indeed. I don't know if this guy did anything untoward, but this isn't something to "get through". If he has any evidence that would clarify exactly what took place, and put this in a perspective other than what the media is in the process of creating - NOW is the time, Mr. Cain. Blaming leakers is NOT going to cut it.
Establishment of both parties decided this guy needs to be taken out, and everybody is in agreement. The only ones who can clear this up are Herman Cain and perhaps his so-called accusers.
>snip<
IDP, did you read the Forbes article? Cain has no evidence, he's privy to no "evidence". The settlement agreements cannot be found, supposedly, and, as he had no say -- and little knowledge -- of what they included, there's nothing for him to clarify.
Think for a minute if what Richard Miniter writes is true. These are scurrilous accusations with no hard proof attached and folks are clamoring for the details of which he is barred from obtaining, thus explaining.
Pan he had to know what the hell the restaurant association was signing his name to even if it was back channels he had to agree to a settlement in his name.
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He knew this was coming 10 days ago. The rumor people say he knew it since 2003.
It's getting weirder. Within the last hour:
Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/nov/2/picket-source-rham-emanuel-involved-cain-sexual-ha/) - A friend of Cain says, Rahm Emanuel and Perry campaign in cahoots against him.
Did somebody say most muckraking campaign season in a lifetime the other day?
And The Other McCain (http://theothermccain.com/2011/11/02/santorum-ad-cuts-to-the-heart-of-the-realfake-problem-with-politicians/), who has been irrepressibly supporting Cain for months says:
Rick Santorum for my vote, is the most underrated GOP contender, and the obituary of his campaign has been written far too soon.
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He knew this was coming 10 days ago. The rumor people say he knew it since 2003.
It's getting weirder. Within the last hour:
Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/nov/2/picket-source-rham-emanuel-involved-cain-sexual-ha/) - A friend of Cain says, Rahm Emanuel and Perry campaign in cahoots against him.
Did somebody say most muckraking campaign season in a lifetime the other day?
And The Other McCain (http://theothermccain.com/2011/11/02/santorum-ad-cuts-to-the-heart-of-the-realfake-problem-with-politicians/), who has been irrepressibly supporting Cain for months says:
Rick Santorum for my vote, is the most underrated GOP contender, and the obituary of his campaign has been written far too soon.
I don't give a damn who said what as long as it didn't start with a repub.If he's guilty fine let him come out and be honest enough to admit it and we'll move on if it's a lie he better damned well get the documents and throw them out there and shut the hell up before he hands over the rope they're going to use on him.
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Pan he had to know what the hell the restaurant association was signing his name to even if it was back channels he had to agree to a settlement in his name.
No, John. The association didn't include him in the agreement and it wasn't done in his name; this was between them and the gold-digger. She didn't work for Cain, she worked for the association. If you read the Forbes piece, including the part I linked, even the association won't release to Cain the details of the agreement lest they violate the non-disclosure section.
Levin laid it out quite clearly.
The man is between a rock and hard place; there's no court case, so there's no body before whom to argue proceedings, evidence or claims.
Do you not see what has been done here?
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This thing is important. The truth of this thing is important.
He is a major conservative and he is black. As soon as a
minority Conservative breaks through to prominent elected
office it will be a major crack in the dam an then all of the
traditional minorities will start seeing how they have been
screwed.
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
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Pan he had to know what the hell the restaurant association was signing his name to even if it was back channels he had to agree to a settlement in his name.
No, John. The association didn't include him in the agreement and it wasn't done in his name; this was between them and the gold-digger. She didn't work for Cain, she worked for the association. If you read the Forbes piece, including the part I linked, even the association won't release to Cain the details of the agreement lest they violate the non-disclosure section.
Levin laid it out quite clearly.
The man is between a rock and hard place; there's no court case, so there's no body before whom to argue proceedings, evidence or claims.
Do you not see what has been done here?
He was crazy not to at least get on a record someplace that he objected to the settlement.Now if they release the records he's guilty if they don't he's done.But back to who the eff leaked it.
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This thing is important. The truth of this thing is important.
He is a major conservative and he is black. As soon as a
minority Conservative breaks through to prominent elected
office it will be a major crack in the dam an then all of the
traditional minorities will start seeing how they have been
screwed.
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again. I have no great love for Cain, as I've said, but I'll not stand by and let the left run its usual game against a conservative, and a black one no less.
... the Politico sensation-out-of-nothing report, the real story is how confident the Left is that it has set the terms of (and the traps in) our public debate. Unfortunately, that confidence seems well placed.
Andrew McCarthy (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/281880/cain-andrew-c-mccarthy)
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This thing is important. The truth of this thing is important.
He is a major conservative and he is black. As soon as a
minority Conservative breaks through to prominent elected
office it will be a major crack in the dam an then all of the
traditional minorities will start seeing how they have been
screwed.
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again. I have no great love for Cain, as I've said, but I'll not stand by and let the left run its usual game against a conservative, and a black one no less.
... the Politico sensation-out-of-nothing report, the real story is how confident the Left is that it has set the terms of (and the traps in) our public debate. Unfortunately, that confidence seems well placed.
Andrew McCarthy (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/281880/cain-andrew-c-mccarthy)
The left's already won this thing, Pandora. Their candidates can be guilty of rape and sexual assault. They can father love children while their wives die of cancer. And our side gets all riled up about the idea of a candidate telling a woman she's attractive. Our side always must live by an entirely different set of standards than their side, and as a result, our side will lose every time.
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No. I don't believe that and I'm not giving in to it, michelle.
Fight, gawdamnit!
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ETA: The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.
Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals. First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.
As far as:
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton". Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos. They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.
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ETA: The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.
Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals. First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.
As far as:
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton". Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos. They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.
Hole? Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.
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No, he dug the hole. He doesn't remember anything it was so long ago.
Then on Fox he remembers a little more and goes through the grill by
Krauthammer & Co. The next day he changes that story. But he still
hasn't given a clue that he was totally debriefed in 2003. Those I remember
off the top.
He's playing & I'm flogging mad tired of being played. He's not being
straight up, that's one. I want my president to be able to handle a
situation better than he is handling this one, that's two.
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ETA: The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.
Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals. First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.
As far as:
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton". Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos. They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.
Hole? Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.
Are you sure the left started this?
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ETA: The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.
Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals. First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.
As far as:
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton". Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos. They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.
Hole? Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.
Are you sure the left started this?
Fair point. Maybe not; maybe it was his ex-campaign manager now in Perry's camp.
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ETA: The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.
Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals. First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.
As far as:
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton". Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos. They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.
Hole? Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.
Are you sure the left started this?
Fair point. Maybe not; maybe it was his ex-campaign manager now in Perry's camp.
If it was they're both done.
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Who started it is less important to me than how Cain finishes it. Let's deal with whether this is a Leftist effort or GOP establishment protecting its turf after Herman Cain either dispatches the situation definitively, or the facts dispatch the situation for him. One way or the other.
As Charles said, I want my president to be able to handle situations better than this. They apparently had 10 days notice that this was going to become an issue, and so far I've seen denial, retroactive admission (the whole "you're as tall as my wife" thing doesn't smell right to me, BTW), piecemeal revelation of some facts (payoff amount, eg) the race card, and blame based on the thinnest veneer.
The Cain campaign is rocked on its heels. That's either because they have no clue how to run a campaign, or because there's some amount of truth to the allegations. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. But something needs to change about how they're handling this.
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ETA: The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.
Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals. First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.
As far as:
That's why all the information is important. If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.
That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton". Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos. They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.
Hole? Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.
Are you sure the left started this?
Fair point. Maybe not; maybe it was his ex-campaign manager now in Perry's camp.
If it was they're both done.
Perhaps. The main point here is the left as ever ready to pick up and run with the least of the worst, blowing it up with innuendo as they go.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/)
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In that interview, Wilson-who is doing polling for a political action committee supporting Texas Governor Rick Perry's campaign but is independent of it–described an incident with Cain and a female employee.
"This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia) and everybody was aware of it," said Wilson, who was a consultant for the organization at the time, in the KTOK interview. "It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left-everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up."
...
Read it all here (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/)
Again, no details, lots of allusions and innuendo. This is really starting to piss me off.
I am right there with you. This whole "story" is based on allusions and innuendo by anonymous sources who conveniently can't speak out. My head is spinning trying to sort out the 1% facts from the 99% innuendo and assumptions.
And the right wing bloggers are feeding into it all by rushing to "report" the latest innuendos and allusions. It's despicable!
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The media - Left & Right - is calling THIS VIDEO Cain "lashing out" and having a "meltdown". The headlines are everywhere. In the Minneapolis Star Tribune was a 1/8-page editorial cartoon, with a caricature of Cain with a sh*t-eating grin saying, "9-9-9 is the number of women accusing me of sexual harassment."
High-tech lynching indeed. I don't know if this guy did anything untoward, but this isn't something to "get through". If he has any evidence that would clarify exactly what took place, and put this in a perspective other than what the media is in the process of creating - NOW is the time, Mr. Cain. Blaming leakers is NOT going to cut it.
Establishment of both parties decided this guy needs to be taken out, and everybody is in agreement. The only ones who can clear this up are Herman Cain and perhaps his so-called accusers.
>snip<
IDP, did you read the Forbes article? Cain has no evidence, he's privy to no "evidence". The settlement agreements cannot be found, supposedly, and, as he had no say -- and little knowledge -- of what they included, there's nothing for him to clarify.
Think for a minute if what Richard Miniter writes is true. These are scurrilous accusations with no hard proof attached and folks are clamoring for the details of which he is barred from obtaining, thus explaining.
I have to thank you for this. You are one of the few sane voices I have seen on this. All I keep seeing repeated is how Cain and his campaign flubbed it by not being prepared to counter this. How can you counter something with no information at your disposal. This whole thing just reeks.
That said, if Cain and/or his campaign reps are making accusations and demanding apologies, they had damned well better have more than innuendo for evidence.
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No matter how this turns out, watching the Republican establishment I have now moved out of the anybody but Romney camp. I will vote for no one other than Cain or Newt. If anyone who has been playing into this, or is just sitting back hoping they benefit, well, let me just say ::effu::
Perry, I will vote 3rd party. Romney, 3rd party. Rinse and repeat down the line. Enough is enough with "my side" playing into the garbage that comes out of the left. Enough is enough with "my side" playing along to the leftist narrative. If "my side" stops representing me, then it's time to find another side to join.
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Yup, this is what happens when Ruling Class repub's start playing games...whoever they hate, whoever they target...they are my allies.
;)
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Yup, this is what happens when Ruling Class repub's start playing games...whoever they hate, whoever they target...they are my allies.
;)
You're...you're not saying there's a TPOS Butthead involved in this, are you?
Oh no, say it ain't so!
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I am fighting, Pan. I refuse to fiddle while Rome burns. I'm not going to allow some stupid he said/she said from 15 years ago get in the way of electing a person who understands how the economy works, who understands the importance of true free market, and doesn't play the same corporate statism games for personal gain. I refuse to get caught up in the minutiae of whether Cain should or shouldn't have been better prepared to handle this or that. Until the Right starts understanding that, the left will always win. Cain may not end up being the best candidate to champion individual liberty and free markets in the end, but I will continue to support him until he proves he's not. But I know for certain that Romney isn't that person. I too will vote 3rd party or not at all if Romney is the nominee.
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Yup, this is what happens when Ruling Class repub's start playing games...whoever they hate, whoever they target...they are my allies.
;)
You're...you're not saying there's a TPOS Butthead involved in this, are you?
Oh no, say it ain't so!
::ohno::
;)
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Why Our Blacks are Better Than Their Blacks
Ann Coulter
"By spending the last three decades leveling accusations of "racism" every 10 seconds, liberals have made it virtually impossible for Americans to recognize real racism -- for example, the racism constantly spewed at black conservatives.
In the last year alone, a short list of the things liberals have labeled "racist" include:
-- Being a Republican;
-- Joining the tea party;
-- The word "the" (Donald Trump's statement that he has a "great relationship with the blacks");
-- References to Barack Obama's playing basketball (Trump again);
-- Using Obama's middle name;
-- Scott Brown's pickup truck;
-- Opposing Obamacare;
-- Opposing Obama's stimulus bill;
-- Opposing Obama's jobs bill.
The surge in conservative support for Herman Cain confuses the Democrats' story line, which is that Republicans hate Obama because he's black.
Cain is twice as black as Obama. (Possible Obama campaign slogan: "Too Black!")
This is why the liberal website Politico ran with a story on Cain that had everything -- a powerful black man, a Republican presidential candidate, the hint of sexuality -- except facts.
All we learned was: About a decade ago, as many as two anonymous women accused Cain of making unspecified "inappropriate" remarks and one "inappropriate" gesture in the workplace. (We had more than that on John Edwards' mistress a year into the media's refusal to report that story.)
If the details helped liberals, we'd have the details.
To have been accused of sexual harassment in the 1990s is like having been accused of molesting children at preschools in the 1980s or accused of being a witch in Massachusetts in the 1690s.
In the 1990s, one plaintiff won a $50 million jury verdict against Wal-Mart on the grounds that a "hostile environment" was created by her supervisor's yelling at both male and female employees. In another case, a plaintiff won a $250,000 award for sexual harassment based on her complaint that a male colleague had reached for a pastry saying, "Nothing I like more in the morning than sticky buns," while "wriggl(ing)" his eyebrows.
It got so crazy that a 6-year-old boy was suspended from class for a day for kissing a classmate on the cheek, and a Goya painting had to be removed from a Penn State classroom because a professor complained that it constituted sexual harassment."
http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2011/11/02/why_our_blacks_are_better_than_their_blacks/page/full/
In fact, our everything is better than there anything. Give me a wage earner, and I'll give you a roof over your head. Can't beat that with a stick! ::smalldeadhorse:: ::curtsy4::
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UPDATE: (http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaking-pjm-sources-report-details-of-alleged-cain-incident/?singlepage=true)
Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence where she alleged “he had taken advantage of me.”
Both sources claim to be politically conservative.
One source, a male, told PJ Media:
Herman took advantage of seniority and power with a young woman. It was an abuse of power.
Implying that coming forward with the accusations was an ordeal for the young woman, the source also said:
Who do you believe, a CEO or a mid-level staffer? It was unsettling for her to make charges.
The name of the woman — who was in her early twenties at the time of the alleged incident — has been confirmed by PJ Media. We have chosen not to reveal her identity for reasons of discretion.
Both sources, one male and one female, worked at the time — mid-1990s — for the governmental affairs department of the National Restaurant Association, as did the woman.
According to the female source, Mr. Cain and the woman had been with a large group for a long evening of food and drink at the Ciao Baby Cucina, a restaurant near NRA headquarters in downtown Washington, D.C. This was a normal routine, as the trade association worked with the food and beverage industry. Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up.
The female source told PJ Media that she witnessed the woman and Herman Cain break away from the large group as part of a smaller group.
Neither source has direct knowledge of what occurred at Mr. Cain’s residence, but several days after the alleged incident, the female source witnessed the woman returning to her workplace “distraught.” “She was very upset.”
One source told PJ Media: “Some people didn’t believe [the accuser]” at the time she made the allegation. The female source recalls the woman continued working at the NRA for several weeks after the encounter; the male source recalls the woman continued working there for a few months.
Both sources claim that during this period following the incident while the woman was still employed, the NRA’s human resources office held many “closed door meetings” that included her. The woman’s parents retained legal counsel and arranged an undisclosed financial settlement.
Today, the NRA is expected to meet with attorney Joel P. Bennett, who represents one of the women who have made claims against Mr. Cain. Bennett has stated he wants the NRA to terminate a confidentiality provision which bars his client from revealing the grounds for the settlement:
[The NRA] ought to waive the confidentiality and non-disparagement provisions and let the two women, if they choose to do so, come forward and tell their stories so that it can get a complete public airing.
Mr. Cain has steadfastly denied that he harassed any female employees at the National Restaurant Association when he was president. He originally said any allegations of his harassment of women are “totally baseless and totally false.”
(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.
The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain’s bed — the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain’s apartment.
The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)
Trying to keep the record straight here.
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Pretty huge #&*$@!% difference between getting in a cab together and NOT, and waking up in his BED and waking up in his APARTMENT. All these anonymous sources need to get their #&*$@!% stories straight whilst engaging in their high-tech lynching.
This stinks.
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It does stink.
The left, aided by some Republicans, are Alinsky-ing one R nominee after another in a way they never did with Obama; him they fire-walled, and they shielded Wiener as long as possible, along with Edwards before him and every Democrat.
They cannot be allowed to get away with this.
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They cannot be allowed to get away with this.
I used to say the same thing about Palin.
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They cannot be allowed to get away with this.
I used to say the same thing about Palin.
As far as I'm concerned, what was done to her is/was part of the "this". "This" is just the reason why she's now considered "unelectable".
It has to be stopped, one way or the other.
People are being tugged to and fro -- "now I WILL support Cain"/"now I could NEVER vote for Cain" -- when none of this has to do with his policy positions, which is what we ought to be debating right now inside of taking sides as a result of mud-slinging.
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This whole thing is a mess and whether Cain "did it" or not is of least concern.
This is dumping the apple cart disrupting and distracting the contest. It has
Romney/Democrat stink all over it.
Horserace (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/11/03/the-horserace-for-november-3-2011/)
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Herman Cain’s attack on Rick Perry is going to turn off people toward Perry. Cain’s campaign seems to have decided that if Cain goes down, he’s going to take out everybody not named Romney as well.
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Herman Cain purposefully decided to engage in a murder-suicide with the Perry campaign.
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The odds of Romney being the nominee grow daily. If, however, this Cain business resolves itself quickly, Romney might see the race consolidate against him.
Cain's early accusation of the Perry camp is as baseless as the charge against him.
I don't know whether Cain and Romney are buds or if Cain has decided that if he's
going down he's going to clear the room. Either way it's very negative tactic.
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Cain's early accusation of the Perry camp is as baseless as the charge against him.
I have to disagree. Circumstantial, yes; baseless -- because of the circumstantial -- no.
Rush said something today with which I agree -- it's going to matter who leaked only if the charges are proven false. Although, "proven" may be beyond reach at this point.
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His claim on Perry is less than the claim on himself. At this time
I agree with the statement "murder suicide" and more than that
he jumped the gun on it. Why not wait until he has a fact instead
of shotgunning exactly as he was shot? It does not show discipline,
a discipline I want to see in a president.
And if Cain's accusations prove to be false but the stink sticks on Perry
then it will matter whether the charge against Cain are true or not .
Or you may say the Butthead is winning, for I am beginning to dislike
Cain and those with whom he surrounds himself.
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Cain's early accusation of the Perry camp is as baseless as the charge against him.
I have to disagree. Circumstantial, yes; baseless -- because of the circumstantial -- no.
Rush said something today with which I agree -- it's going to matter who leaked only if the charges are proven false. Although, "proven" may be beyond reach at this point.
Rush's coverage of this was great, today. Here is the link to his one analysis: on his site (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/03/alleged_details_of_the_alleged_incident_alleged_to_be_final_nail_in_cain_s_coffin)
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I find myself taking Rush Limbaugh for granted less and less these days. He really is irreplaceable.
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So wait a minute, where is the liberal intelligentsia to lecture us on how much more mature and adult we should be about dalliances of such a personal nature? It seems like every time a Democrat is in the midst of innuendo and speculation, we're reminded that the so very cosmopolitan and sophisticated Europeans -- the template of our own Leftists -- look on this theater and snicker at those simple rubes in America, with their outmoded bumpkin moral outrage. Why, we're told, in France and Italy no politician can keep his pants on and it's not even worth reporting. Oh, they lament, why can't we be just half as mature and tolerant? So where is it? Where's these calls for the peasantry to put away the pitchforks?
And while we're at it, a bit of perspective is useful:
Bill Clinton, who was the sitting POTUS at the time, left semen on the dress of an intern and then lied about the incident to a grand jury. The desire to keep it quiet also exposed the President (no pun intended) to potential blackmail from any number of corners. But that was officially No Big Deal (tm).
Ted Kennedy, in his state of perpetual drunkenness, left a young woman to drown in a submerged car that he crashed. He and fellow-POS Christopher Dodd also boasted of their sexual predations on DC waitresses, referring to making a "waitress sandwich". These are also officially No Big Deal (tm).
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Hot Air 4:13PM (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/03/mark-block-on-second-thought-maybe-perrys-advisor-didnt-leak-this/)
Here’s the follow-up to Curt Anderson’s appearance on Fox this morning, in which Anderson not only denied having leaked the harassment story to Politico but publicly gave them permission to out him if he is the leaker. If you don’t want to watch Block’s reply, Christian Heinze has a transcript. After reading it, though, I’m still confused. Block says he “stands behind” what they said yesterday, but when Kelly presses him on that, he replies, “until we get all the facts, I’m just going to say that we accept what Mr. Anderson has said and we want to move on with the campaign.” Which means … what? They still think Perry’s camp leaked the story but they no longer believe Anderson was the middleman? Or they no longer believe Perry’s camp leaked the story? More to the point, why did a guy who’s spent the week inveighing against poorly sourced, speculative accusations think it was a good idea to start tossing poorly sourced, speculative accusations against Curt Anderson? And do note, it’s not just Block doing this in some rogue attempt at damage control. It was Cain himself who first pointed the finger at Anderson yesterday in an interview with Richard Miniter.
On third thought: Cain still seems to think Curt Anderson is the leaker; 5:37 PM (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/03/on-third-thought-cain-still-seems-to-think-curt-anderson-is-the-leaker/)
Via the Right Scoop. I’m picturing Mark Block, who kinda sorta cleared Anderson a few hours ago, smoking two at a time while listening to this. The most interesting bit comes near the end, when Cain retreats ever so slightly from his claim yesterday that he told Anderson about the harassment claims when Anderson worked for him in 2004. Now, he says, he’s “almost certain” that he told him. He does make a good point in noting that any political consultant worth his salt would have probed the candidate about skeletons in his closet in order to craft damage control in advance. But in that case, how come Cain’s current campaign advisors didn’t think to do that? No wonder some Republicans want Block out.
Meanwhile, at NRO, Fred Thompson is dropping dark hints or settling old scores. Or maybe both. Has Cain convicted the wrong campaign?
[blockquote]
I have no idea who originated the story. But I’d say that looking inside the Republican family is probably a good bet. I speak from personal experience.
Days after I got into the presidential race in 2007, I was greeted with a website, “PhoneyFred.org,” described in the media at the time as an “anti Fred Thompson smear site.” You couldn’t really tell who was behind it, but we learned of it from the Democratic National Committee, which made ample use of it. We assumed that they had created it. However, a reporter at the Washington Post (of all people) decided to find out who was behind the site. After a lot of effort, she traced it to an executive of TTS Strategies, a South Carolina consulting firm run by J. Warren Tompkins, one of the most notorious hardball political operatives in the country…
In 2007, he was running Mitt Romney’s campaign in South Carolina, where Mitt was behind the rest of us in the polls. Of course, when confronted, both Tompkins and Mitt were “shocked” to learn that a rogue employee...
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[/blockquote]
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/cain-camp-considering-legal-action-against-politico/2011/11/03/gIQAc2dcjM_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/cain-camp-considering-legal-action-against-politico/2011/11/03/gIQAc2dcjM_blog.html)
A Herman Cain aide said Thursday that the Cain campaign is considering its legal options over the original Politico story, which revealed that the former head of the National Restaurant Association was accused of sexually harassing at least two women during his tenure in the 1990s.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/national-restaurant-association-chairman-during-cain%E2%80%99s-tenure-its-a-hatchet-job/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/national-restaurant-association-chairman-during-cain%E2%80%99s-tenure-its-a-hatchet-job/)
In an interview with The Daily Caller, former National Restaurant Association board chairman Joseph Fassler offered a firm defense of GOP presidential front-runner Herman Cain, along with an explanation for how Washington’s best kept secret — the identities of Cain’s sexual-harassment accusers — was also kept from the association’s board.
“The accusations? It’s a hatchet job, in my opinion,” Fassler told TheDC from his Phoenix, Ariz. office. “My gut tells me it’s a hatchet job. He gets a lead, he gets some traction, and the next thing you know, here come these allegations. It’s sad.”
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The GOP, come on in, the water's fine rioght after sh*tting in it. Yeah, that's the ticket. The "Stupid Party" sit well with me. ::unknowncomic::
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How he runs his campaign is his business even though his time may better be spent campaigning. On the other hand this tactic is bringing in the cash.
Link (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/03/cain_hurls_blame_at_perry_aide_curt_anderson_and_campaign.html)
[blockquote]
Herman Cain appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show late Thursday afternoon,...
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Cain did not mince words. He clearly believes his former aide Curt Anderson is the leaker, citing what seems to be his close relationship with Politico as well as being a current staffer for Rick Perry's presidential campaign. Cain spent nearly thirty minutes on the air with Hannity but in the key part of the segment we have made available here, as well as the transcript, it is clear who Cain thinks was behind this. A transcript of the audio is provided below. ...
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But if he's wrong on this he's a damn fool and I don't want a damn fool president.
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He could be right about Anderson being the "leaker" but the instigator appears to be the Romney operative. Either way you slice this it has the stench of The Butthead all about it, it would be like that Ruling Class Demon to not only take the current front-runner down a peg or two, but mud on Perry (another Romney rival) gives that evil bastard a two-fer!
So far, it appears people are not condemning Cain to the extent that The Butthead and his minions would like!
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely GOP Primary voters shows Cain with 26% of the vote over former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney’s 23%. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich draws 14% support, with no other GOP contender reaching double-digits. Thirteen percent (13%) of GOP voters are undecided at this time.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary)
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57318500-503544/cain-did-not-sign-settlement-accusers-lawyer-says/%20http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57318500-504564/cain-did-not-sign-settlement-accusers-lawyer-says/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57318500-503544/cain-did-not-sign-settlement-accusers-lawyer-says/%20http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57318500-504564/cain-did-not-sign-settlement-accusers-lawyer-says/)
The settlement agreement between the National Restaurant Association and a woman who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment was reached in September 1999--and was not signed by Cain himself, according to Joel Bennett, a lawyer for the woman.
Bennett, who has a copy of the settlement agreement, said four people signed it: the woman, two lawyers representing the association and Bennett himself.
Bennett said the agreement was resolved relatively quickly, about two or three months after she complained.
That means it may have been reached after Cain left the association, and Bennett said it's conceivable that Cain didn't even know about it.
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Wow, really? Getting so much coverage in the MFM, isn't it?
The MFMer's are having too much fun humping each others legs they are so excited by this so-called sex scandal!
::)
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Mediaite Link (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-o%E2%80%99donnell-to-get-the-secret-herman-cain-files-it%E2%80%99s-time-to-occupy-the-national-restaurant-association/)
RealClearPolitics Link (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/04/msnbcs_odonnell_calls_for_occupation_and_boycott_of_restaurant_association_exposes_pictures_of_groups_leadership.html)
"Here is a sample of who used to pay Herman Cain's salary and who is paying to keep his secrets now: 7-Eleven, Burger King, The Cheesecake Factory, Chipotle, Denny's, Domino's Pizza, Hooters, Krispy Kreme, McDonalds, P.F. Change, Starbucks, Wendy's, Walt Disney World. That is who is paying the salaries of the people who are keeping Herman Cain's secrets. Now, there is some good stuff in that list, but let's face it, most of that stuff is junk. Real junk food. It is not hard and it's good for you to give up most everything on that list."
What does he mean by "it's good for you to give up most everything on that list? Is it for health reasons? No. It's because MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell is wielding his power as an MSNBC primetime host to threaten a boycott of the restaurants, food products and tourist locations that are represented by the NRA in order to, again, intimidate them into releasing the women from their contractually obligating agreements in order to, in his hopes, embarrass the leading Republican nominee,
"I mean, boycott anything and everything on that list. And, yes, it is possible to get coffee in America without going to Starbucks. If the National Restaurant Association decides to do the wrong thing tomorrow, if they decide to continue to allow Herman Cain and his campaign manager to say anything they want about the former National Restaurant Association employees who have complained against Mr. Cain while the National Restaurant Association prevents those employees from speaking out in any way, then a firestorm should be visited upon the 1200 17th street Northwest and the members of the National Restaurant Association," a community organizer-sounding O'Donnell implored his viewers.
If it wasn't obvious enough already, O'Donnell explicitly threatens the National Restaurant Association to let go of its confidential contract with the two former employees, or else:
"If Starbucks wants to avoid a boycott, Starbucks can write a letter to Dawn Sweeney telling her to do the right thing. But that's what members of the National Restaurant Association should have to do. To retain your business, if Dawn Sweeney continues to let Herman Cain hide behind their confidentiality agreements," he concluded.
Who else thinks he's attempting to incite a violent riot here?
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Certainly a boycott, but for others, mmmmm,
it is a partial list of company's to support.
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If the National Restaurant Association decides to do the wrong thing tomorrow, if they decide to continue to allow Herman Cain and his campaign manager to say anything they want about the former National Restaurant Association employees who have complained against Mr. Cain while the National Restaurant Association prevents those employees from speaking out in any way, then a firestorm should be visited upon the 1200 17th street Northwest and the members of the National Restaurant Association," a community organizer-sounding O'Donnell implored his viewers.
What's Cain been saying? I haven't heard him say a derogatory word about "the employees who have complained".
And, yes, BMG; "firestorm" can be taken literally, thus violently.
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One woman's lawyer comes forward, and says that Cain sexually harassed her on multiple occasions, and that she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. So the specter hangs over the campaign, that this woman could come forward at any time in the future and give the specifics of her allegations.
The only antidote I can see is for Cain to come forward with full disclosure of the allegations, proclaim them false if that's what they are. Pretending like this is over will potentially create a situation where he advances to the general election, and then the details drop a week before the election.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57318500-503544/cain-did-not-sign-settlement-accusers-lawyer-says/%20http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57318500-504564/cain-did-not-sign-settlement-accusers-lawyer-says/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57318500-503544/cain-did-not-sign-settlement-accusers-lawyer-says/%20http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57318500-504564/cain-did-not-sign-settlement-accusers-lawyer-says/)
The settlement agreement between the National Restaurant Association and a woman who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment was reached in September 1999--and was not signed by Cain himself, according to Joel Bennett, a lawyer for the woman.
Bennett, who has a copy of the settlement agreement, said four people signed it: the woman, two lawyers representing the association and Bennett himself.
Bennett said the agreement was resolved relatively quickly, about two or three months after she complained.
That means it may have been reached after Cain left the association, and Bennett said it's conceivable that Cain didn't even know about it.
Oh? So Bennett was finally able to locate his copy after saying he had no copy?
IDP, Cain cannot tell anyone what the allegations are; he doesn't know. Why do you keep asking he do what he cannot do?
He wasn't and isn't privy to a copy of the agreement signed between the association, the women and their lawyers.
At this point, he can only speculate what's in the agreement and if he's wrong, he'll be accused of either lying or covering up -- the process crime!
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Yes, there are things he can't do; however, he is handling this
with a wrecking ball and he doesn't have to do that. He's stinkin'
up the place.
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....IDP, Cain cannot tell anyone what the allegations are; he doesn't know. Why do you keep asking he do what he cannot do?
He wasn't and isn't privy to a copy of the agreement signed between the association, the women and their lawyers.
At this point, he can only speculate what's in the agreement and if he's wrong, he'll be accused of either lying or covering up -- the process crime!
There is one thing Herman Cain does know. He knows what he did and did not do in regards to this woman. She has reasserted her claim from 2009, in vague terms. The NRA has waived the confidentiality agreement, so she could come forward at any time with the specifics of the allegation.
I see no possibility that Herman Cain does not remember her, or does not have any idea or even speculation as to why the complaint was lodged. Now that she has come forward and the confidentiality agreement is waived, he could offer a full accounting of his recollection regarding this woman, and even offer speculation as to what he may have said or done that might be in the complaint. He could do so without incriminating himself, if he is not guilty of anything.
He needs to change the game. I see no way for him to do that without being as candid as possible. He can't possibly rest, believing that because this woman refuses to reveal herself today, that she will continue to do so in the future.
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Now that she has come forward and the confidentiality agreement is waived, he could offer a full accounting of his recollection regarding this woman, and even offer speculation as to what he may have said or done that might be in the complaint. He could do so without incriminating himself, if he is not guilty of anything.
I could not disagree more and I'm having a difficult time believing you would ask this of any person, but especially in this arena, to speculate what may have offended a woman over ten years ago. You are asking him to possibly incriminate himself, particularly if guesses incorrectly.
Furthermore, the confidentiality agreement never had anything to do with him; he wasn't bound by it because he wasn't a signatory.
This man is entitled to a full disclosure of the exact and specific accusations against him before he could be expected to attempt a defense or any further explanation.
eta: And darned if there isn't an echo in here because I'm listening to Levin saying the same things.
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...This man is entitled to a full disclosure of the exact and specific accusations against him before he could be expected to attempt a defense or any further explanation.
eta: And darned if there isn't an echo in here because I'm listening to Levin saying the same things.
I don't disagree with this. In fact, if I was Cain, I would demand that documentation of the allegations be produced for his perusal, with a failure to comply resulting in the revelation of the woman's identity.
If he's innocent, he has nothing to fear from a public dustup with this woman. If she's a liar, call her bluff.
What's Levin saying?
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...This man is entitled to a full disclosure of the exact and specific accusations against him before he could be expected to attempt a defense or any further explanation.
eta: And darned if there isn't an echo in here because I'm listening to Levin saying the same things.
I don't disagree with this. In fact, if I was Cain, I would demand that documentation of the allegations be produced for his perusal, with a failure to comply resulting in the revelation of the woman's identity.
If he's innocent, he has nothing to fear from a public dustup with this woman. If she's a liar, call her bluff.
What's Levin saying?
Exactly what I wrote in my last post (except for my clucking at you), and that, while everybody else is privy to what's in the complaint except Cain -- Bennett, the lawyer, refuses to say, the woman hasn't come forward, the NRA knows --
why is Cain the one who is being charged with "explaining"?
I, myself, am flabbergasted.
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http://www.news4jax.com/election-2012/Lawyer-Cain-accuser-sees-no-value-in-revisiting-case/-/1875986/4445738/-/e2054/-/ (http://www.news4jax.com/election-2012/Lawyer-Cain-accuser-sees-no-value-in-revisiting-case/-/1875986/4445738/-/e2054/-/)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/11/high-stakes_chess_may_backfire_for_cain_accuser.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/11/high-stakes_chess_may_backfire_for_cain_accuser.html)
Bennett said his client, married for 26 years, will not reveal her identity because "she and her husband see no value in revisiting this matter now nor in discussing the matter any further publicly or privately."
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...This man is entitled to a full disclosure of the exact and specific accusations against him before he could be expected to attempt a defense or any further explanation.
eta: And darned if there isn't an echo in here because I'm listening to Levin saying the same things.
I don't disagree with this. In fact, if I was Cain, I would demand that documentation of the allegations be produced for his perusal, with a failure to comply resulting in the revelation of the woman's identity.
If he's innocent, he has nothing to fear from a public dustup with this woman. If she's a liar, call her bluff.
What's Levin saying?
Exactly what I wrote in my last post (except for my clucking at you), and that, while everybody else is privy to what's in the complaint except Cain -- Bennett, the lawyer, refuses to say, the woman hasn't come forward, the NRA knows --
why is Cain the one who is being charged with "explaining"?
I, myself, am flabbergasted.
It's not fair or right, and I haven't meant to suggest that it is. I'm just trying to look at the situation in regards to Herman Cain's path forward as a viable candidate for President. I don't know that he's the one I want. But I do know I want him to stay in the race, and to stay strong as a candidate. Ignoring the specter of this woman ambushing his candidacy at any point throughout the process would be an intolerable neglect of responsibility at this point. If he's going to be our candidate, this needs to be put to rest, and as unfair and wrong as it is, I don't see anything aside from him revealing the nature of his interactions with this woman that can make it go away.
I think he should pursue the release of the complaint documentation. Lay it out there - as ugly and untrue as it may be, and then deal with it.
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http://www.news4jax.com/election-2012/Lawyer-Cain-accuser-sees-no-value-in-revisiting-case/-/1875986/4445738/-/e2054/-/ (http://www.news4jax.com/election-2012/Lawyer-Cain-accuser-sees-no-value-in-revisiting-case/-/1875986/4445738/-/e2054/-/)
Bennett said his client, married for 26 years, will not reveal her identity because "she and her husband see no value in revisiting this matter now nor in discussing the matter any further publicly or privately."
So, Mr. & Mrs. Client don't want their identities revealed; did she give Bennett permission to speak of any of this in the first place? Or was that never determined? Maybe that information is in one of Politico's 90-odd pieces-in five days on the issue.
I think he should pursue the release of the complaint documentation. Lay it out there - as ugly and untrue as it may be, and then deal with it.
I agree, and I believe Cain ought to do that without exposing the woman's identity if he can. That, as much as anything, would validate the opinions of other people who think very highly of Herman Cain because they know him as a good man.
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This has become P-A-I-N-F-U-L-L-Y clear that it was nothing more than a hit piece on Cain by the leftist media. They picked up a story and re-posted it with a grain of truth so that it would sound true but it has crumbled under the weight of closer scrutiny.
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This has become P-A-I-N-F-U-L-L-Y clear that it was nothing more than a hit piece on Cain by the leftist media. They picked up a story and re-posted it with a grain of truth so that it would sound true but it has crumbled under the weight of closer scrutiny.
I don't disagree that the Leftist media is using this to try to destroy Cain. But I don't think there's anything painfully clear except this: Herman Cain was accused by at least two women of sexually inappropriate behavior for a man in his position; neither of the women - nor Herman Cain - have offered any details as to interactions between he and they, allowing this debacle to grow a life of its own in the media; and both women were paid a year's salary to make them go away quietly, with non-disclosure agreements.
After all the handwringing and mudslinging, that's still all we know. There is only one person who is in a position to fully inform us, and make more things clear. That's Herman Cain.
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I give up.
eta: Except for one last thing ......
... both women were paid a year's salary to make them go away quietly, with non-disclosure agreements.
Do you know in the legal world, these figures -- $35K and $40K -- are the standard, "here, take this, go the hell away and don't bother us anymore" payouts, known as "nuisance settlements"?
One last remark – it has been claimed that settlements of $30K or $45K lend merit to the accusers’ claims. Just for reference for those fortunate enough to have consumed legal services, if you as an organization contacted a nice Atlanta firm to defend you in a civil harassment lawsuit, they would almost certainly demand a $25K retainer and explain to you that the retainer would likely be gone before they were done answering the initial round of discovery. $30K is the textbook definition of a “nuisance settlement” and the fact that the woman accepted so little is in fact indicative to me that her case wasn’t an exceptionally strong one. If the NRA had settled for $200K I would be impressed and if it had been $500K I would be fairly sure Cain was in serious trouble here.
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/11/04/cain-accuser-speaks/ (http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/11/04/cain-accuser-speaks/)
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I give up.
I'm not trying to frustrate you. I just don't see another way for this to be taken off the table, and I think it needs to be taken off the table.
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It's obvious from the settlements that the claims were not severe
and were probably made in order to collect money or spite. What
is instructive here is how he handles this dilemma. It is indicative
of whether he will be able to handle some other difficult situation
as president. We want to see him do well, it appears that he is
handling poorly.
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It's obvious from the settlements that the claims were not severe
and were probably made in order to collect money or spite. What
is instructive here is how he handles this dilemma. It is indicative
of whether he will be able to handle some other difficult situation
as president. We want to see him do well, it appears that he is
handling poorly.
He handled it like somebody that's never been through anything like this before.
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I give up.
I'm not trying to frustrate you. I just don't see another way for this to be taken off the table, and I think it needs to be taken off the table.
Herman Cain is the last person that can do what you are demanding of him. Because of how close the timeline is with respect to when she complained and he left (in June '99), and when the papers were signed (Sept. '99), there's a respectable possibility he was presented with a fait accompli after being informed of the allegations, and not even being an employee any longer. It is then, I imagine, he was racking his brain, trying to remember what and when, and then proceeded to put it away as time went on.
Now, people are expecting him to be able to pinpoint details of a possible episode more than a decade old without being supplied with a copy of the complaint?
I know you're not trying be frustrating and I know it needs taking off the table, but I so want you to see the impossible situation in which this man has found himself. It's as unjust as they come.
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"I know you're not trying be frustrating and I know it needs taking off the table, but I so want you to see the impossible situation in which this man has found himself. It's as unjust as they come."
That's it right there. This should not be an impossible situation
for our president. If he doesn't have the wit to hire staff that
can help him take command of this problem how can I have
faith that he will be able to take command of a Putin situation?
ETA: disclaimer - He's already blamed more people for his problems
than Bush did during two presidencies. I was sick of that schtick before
this election.
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It's obvious from the settlements that the claims were not severe
and were probably made in order to collect money or spite. What
is instructive here is how he handles this dilemma. It is indicative
of whether he will be able to handle some other difficult situation
as president. We want to see him do well, it appears that he is
handling poorly.
Except for accusing Perry of being the leaker, which I think he was wrong to do, I don't see how he could have handled it any better, nor any differently. His hands were tied, and he spoke out about it as much he dared to do, legally. I think there's some awful nit-picking going on here.
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"I know you're not trying be frustrating and I know it needs taking off the table, but I so want you to see the impossible situation in which this man has found himself. It's as unjust as they come."
That's it right there. This should not be an impossible situation
for our president. If he doesn't have the wit to hire staff that
can help him take command of this problem how can I have
faith that he will be able to take command of a Putin situation?
Charles, at this point, we're not even talking nominee or president; we're talking about a man's good name, period.
You tell me how it should be handled without having Cain walk on water. I've listened to both Rush and Levin talking about this, read other opinions and the consensus is it's out of his hands and will be until somebody comes out with something definitive.
Herman Cain is not a smooth-talking, professional liar, apparently. Guess that's a failing in a President when it comes to matters of personal integrity.
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What if he were to call a press conference and demand the production of documentation detailing the accusations against him? The woman says she doesn't want to relive it - wants to put it behind her - but she's quite happy to reiterate that she made the allegation, thereby smearing him with innuendo. She wants it both ways, and so does the media, the Democrats, and the GOP establishment.
If he is innocent of all charges, why not call them all out? Make the baseless and rampant speculation stop, and deal squarely with the facts? I guess I don't see it as impossible - just extremely difficult and unsavory.
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What if he were to call a press conference and demand the production of documentation detailing the accusations against him? The woman says she doesn't want to relive it - wants to put it behind her - but she's quite happy to reiterate that she made the allegation, thereby smearing him with innuendo. She wants it both ways, and so does the media, the Democrats, and the GOP establishment.
If he is innocent of all charges, why not call them all out? Make the baseless and rampant speculation stop, and deal squarely with the facts? I guess I don't see it as impossible - just extremely difficult and unsavory.
I could see him demanding that of her lawyer and/or the association and be within his rights to do so. If he calls out the woman, despite your categorization of her wanting it both ways, he's done for. The media will kill him with "adding insult to injury".
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I give up.
I'm not trying to frustrate you. I just don't see another way for this to be taken off the table, and I think it needs to be taken off the table.
Herman Cain is the last person that can do what you are demanding of him. Because of how close the timeline is with respect to when she complained and he left (in June '99), and when the papers were signed (Sept. '99), there's a respectable possibility he was presented with a fait accompli after being informed of the allegations, and not even being an employee any longer. It is then, I imagine, he was racking his brain, trying to remember what and when, and then proceeded to put it away as time went on.
Now, people are expecting him to be able to pinpoint details of a possible episode more than a decade old without being supplied with a copy of the complaint?
I know you're not trying be frustrating and I know it needs taking off the table, but I so want you to see the impossible situation in which this man has found himself. It's as unjust as they come.
Well said. I once worked for a hospital that was sued by a patient's family. I was involved in this patient's care, having been the RN that admitted her from the emergency room. Typical of these cases, by the time it was processed through the courts, several years had passed, when I was called in to make my deposition.
After going over the case, with the hospital's attorney, and reviewing the woman's records, I thought I had done a pretty good job of documentation. Then the plaintiff's lawyer got a hold of me. I guess I didn't do that badly, but I was extremely nervous, and if you've never had to answer questions about incidents that happened several years ago, you really ought to try it some time. It was the worst experience of my life.
I know exactly what you are saying, Pandora. I fail to see how anyone can honestly criticize Cain's reaction to this.
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Janny, if I was in Herman Cain's position, I'd be shooting people from a bell-tower by now and screw the election.
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"I know you're not trying be frustrating and I know it needs taking off the table, but I so want you to see the impossible situation in which this man has found himself. It's as unjust as they come."
That's it right there. This should not be an impossible situation
for our president. If he doesn't have the wit to hire staff that
can help him take command of this problem how can I have
faith that he will be able to take command of a Putin situation?
Charles, at this point, we're not even talking nominee or president; we're talking about a man's good name, period.
You tell me how it should be handled without having Cain walk on water. I've listened to both Rush and Levin talking about this, read other opinions and the consensus is it's out of his hands and will be until somebody comes out with something definitive.
Herman Cain is not a smooth-talking, professional liar, apparently. Guess that's a failing in a President when it comes to matters of personal integrity.
If he can't get his hands around the neck of this thing and
wring it he shouldn't be a candidate. This is not about his
reputation.
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"I know you're not trying be frustrating and I know it needs taking off the table, but I so want you to see the impossible situation in which this man has found himself. It's as unjust as they come."
That's it right there. This should not be an impossible situation
for our president. If he doesn't have the wit to hire staff that
can help him take command of this problem how can I have
faith that he will be able to take command of a Putin situation?
Charles, at this point, we're not even talking nominee or president; we're talking about a man's good name, period.
You tell me how it should be handled without having Cain walk on water. I've listened to both Rush and Levin talking about this, read other opinions and the consensus is it's out of his hands and will be until somebody comes out with something definitive.
Herman Cain is not a smooth-talking, professional liar, apparently. Guess that's a failing in a President when it comes to matters of personal integrity.
If he can't get his hands around the neck of this thing and
wring it he shouldn't be a candidate. This is not about his
reputation.
What do you suggest he do in that regard?
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Okay, we need a little levity, here! ::hysterical::
Cain's campaign is over now!
OMG!! (http://www.thedailyrash.com/two-women-say-herman-cain-beat-them-senseless-with-a-frozen-turkey)
He'll never live this down!
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Okay. You tell me how you would have got your hands around the neck of this thing.
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I'm not running for president.
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I'm not running for president.
Nice dodge.
So, you got nuthin', huh?
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I'm not running for president.
Nice dodge.
So, you got nuthin', huh?
Have you been in a bad mood lately?
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I'm not sure what he should have done in hindsight.
Based on the fact that his Senate campaign's oppo research team came up with this as a potential issue years ago, it would have been a good thing to have planned for in his runup to this campaign. They didn't.
They had 10 days foreknowledge that Politico was going to drop this on him. They did nothing - including developing a response strategy - or even a framework for one.
Then the smear campaign begun, and Cain lashed out and laid blame - perhaps unjustly - rather than deal with the issue head on.
Granted, he could not know what to respond to and thus how to respond to it directly, particularly when the allegations were anonymous and completely devoid of specifics. I get that. But now that is changed, with this lawyer press conference. He has an opening now that he has been denied all week long. My fear is that he is going to "wish" this away, and in doing so, provide doubt in the minds of primary voters, or worse, general election voters - AND provide an opening later for this woman to be trotted out with specifics that he will then be in the position of refuting at a time not of his choosing.
The opportunity he has now is to call the bluff - demand documentation of the allegations, and demand that they either be backed-up or dismissed as an issue. At this point, given all that has transpired, and all the potential damage that has been done, I see no downside to Cain going on offense.
ETA: I disagree with Charles that this is not about Cain's reputation. Raping of a reputation is real, evil, and it is being done to Cain. I am concerned about his electoral prospects, but I don't lose sight of what is being done to the man.
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Let him on the attack,lets see what he's got.
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I'm not running for president.
Nice dodge.
So, you got nuthin', huh?
Have you been in a bad mood lately?
No, she's right.
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I'm not running for president.
Nice dodge.
So, you got nuthin', huh?
Have you been in a bad mood lately?
No, she's right.
I didn't say she was wrong but this is us. I wouldn't like it if it was done to any of us. I like everybody here and that's no secret and I don't like strife amongst us.
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I'm not running for president.
Nice dodge.
So, you got nuthin', huh?
Have you been in a bad mood lately?
No, she's right.
I didn't say she was wrong but this is us. I wouldn't like it if it was done to any of us. I like everybody here and that's no secret and I don't like strife amongst us.
This isn't strife; it's the normal amount and scope of disagreement you'd get in any like-minded group.
That said, hopping on Janny's "mood" isn't exactly rational, paisan. She's just calling 'em the way she sees 'em.
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No, I'm right. I've avoided being argumentative or being personal.
I do not presume to know what Cain should do but as an observer
and voter I can say, he is doing it wrong.
IDP, I think Cain's personal reputation is intact. It's his ability and
quality as a political fighteris at stake.
http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2011/11/iowa_radio_host_calls_herman_c.html (http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2011/11/iowa_radio_host_calls_herman_c.html)
During his Oct. 3 broadcast in Iowa, Deace mentioned that
Cain made a comment to a woman who was there to report
on the radio interview for another news agency. “Cain said, ‘Darling,
do you mind doctoring my tea for me?’” Deace said.
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No, I'm right. I've avoided being argumentative or being personal.
I do not presume to know what Cain should do but as an observer
and voter I can say, he is doing it wrong.
IDP, I think Cain's personal reputation is intact. It's his ability and
quality as a political fighteris at stake.
http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2011/11/iowa_radio_host_calls_herman_c.html (http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2011/11/iowa_radio_host_calls_herman_c.html)
During his Oct. 3 broadcast in Iowa, Deace mentioned that
Cain made a comment to a woman who was there to report
on the radio interview for another news agency. “Cain said, ‘Darling,
do you mind doctoring my tea for me?’” Deace said.
Yes, you've not been out of line.
That said, you're dodging. Describe what Cain should have done.
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What has my mood got to do with anything? CH insists Cain did it wrong, but he has no idea what "doing it right" entails?
I called it like I saw it. How was I out of line? What am I supposed to do? Sugarcoat the truth to prove I am not in a bad mood?
WTF?
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For the last time.
I am not running for president.
Figuring how to top this is his task
I am a voter and at this moment he stinks on Ice.
He is having a pity party and pointing fingers instead
of taking point. I want a president that is willing to take
point and succeed. He is showing neither.
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For the last time.
I am not running for president.
Figuring how to top this is his task
I am a voter and at this moment he stinks on Ice.
He is having a pity party and pointing fingers instead
of taking point. I want a president that is willing to take
point and succeed. He is showing neither.
FAIL.
You're disqualified.
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Thank you.
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FAIL.
You're disqualified.
Amen.
Oh, and my apologies to anyone I may have offended by getting 'personal' with the TRUTH.
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This has certainly sparked strong feelings. I'd hope we can all see that the level of agitation is because of our concern for justice and the integrity of elections, not because we call one another's motives or moods into question.
I don't think Charles is out of line for saying that he wants to see an effective response to a campaign crisis that he's not seeing, and I don't think he's disqualified from saying so in the absence of providing a solution. It's not up to us as voters to buy what a candidate is trying to sell, it's up to them to convince us we want what they're selling. Charles isn't sold on how the Cain campaign has responded to this smear, and he's just voicing it.
I also don't think it's wrong to want to call the whole thing corrupt, and want to see Cain place himself above it. I also don't think I'm wrong for wanting to see him grab opportunity to go on offense and damn the torpedoes.
If ‘Darling, do you mind doctoring my tea for me?’ is indicative of the kind of thing he's "guilty" of, then this man truly has nothing to be afraid of in full disclosure, and I think he should seek it. My opinion. We all have ours, and it's OK.
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FAIL.
You're disqualified.
Amen.
Oh, and my apologies to anyone I may have offended by getting 'personal' with the TRUTH.
What is the "truth" in this case Janny? Define it for me, please.
ETA: Because the only "truths" I see are:
- Anonymous and heretofore undocumented allegations of sexually inappropriate behavior on the part of Cain.
- Varying accounts from people present during the alleged events of impropriety.
- Unequivocal denial from Cain on all counts, along with an apology for anything he might have said or done that led to the accusations.
- Media frenzy trying to destroy his candidacy.
- Cain's accusations against the Perry campaign, walkbacks from that accusation, and then accusations of race politics.
- Lawyer for accuser seeking and receiving a waiver of confidentiality, and then reiterating the anonymous accusation.
What other truths am I missing?
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I guess I may as well toss in my 2 cents - for what it's worth!
First: The 'scandal'. Look, the democrats have set this bar pretty dang low. So until someone comes up with a raped woman in an Arkansas hotel room with State Troopers as witnesses that say that 'Herman Cain did it' or until someone comes up with a dead girl in Herman Cain's upside down car in a drainage ditch, the 'scandal' doesn't have any bearing on whether I'll vote for him. /shrug.
Second: Herman Cain's handling of the 'scandal'. I've had the benefit of meeting Mr. Cain in person, shaking his hand and speaking with him. Sure, it was a short chat. My first impression of the guy was that he is the real deal...honest and a good human being. I don't believe that he has ever had to deal with anything like this before and I don't believe that he thinks like this - always calculating and ruthless, etc. He's not a politician and that's exactly why I like him. Even though he knew that this could come out, I imagine he was blindsided by it frankly. True, I think it could have been handled better - as is the case with a few other gaffs that he has made with other things. But the guy isn't used to this garbage and I'm willing to allow for that. He's going to make mistakes. But I don't think that necessarily makes him a bad choice for the office. What would make him a bad choice for the office is if he would then turn around and REFUSE TO LEARN from those mistakes (Obama comes to mind for example!). I don't think he's demonstrated an inability to learn from his mistakes yet. Add to that the fact that he is not privy to the sealed case information and I can't find enough fault in his handling of the situation to disqualify him for my vote.
Aside from all of that, there is also the fact that we are running very short on time for the voting to start. If Cain is to suddenly loose support because of something as trivial as this what we are left with is; Romney. Romney is Obama-lite (assuming he actually wins against Obama - and if he's the one running, Obamacare is suddenly a bit of ammo in the GOP's quiver that is no longer available). Even if Romney wins we are stuck with Obama-lite and after four years of that our situation in this country won't be a whole lot different than it is today. Which means that the democrats will have a much greater chance of surging back into office in 2016.
For me, not only is Cain the best conservative candidate in the running right now (and every day that goes by he is increasingly the ONLY conservative candidate in the running!), he is also the only thing standing between us and a dead country. Lets face it, Romney is not a choice...he is nothing more than a democrat hiding out in the Republican party. If he wins the country is toast. And I'm not convinced that any of the other candidates can overtake Romney at this point if Cain is beaten down.
There's my 2 cents! ;D
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Amen.
Oh, and my apologies to anyone I may have offended by getting 'personal' with the TRUTH.
What is the "truth" in this case Janny? Define it for me, please.
Apparently, based on your responses, you understand it quite well.
The truth is that Charles says Cain did it wrong, yet he can't articulate how Cain could do it right, to satisfy him. I find that dishonest and disingenuous. Yet, for pointing out the obvious, that Charles had no answer to the question that Pandora asked, as well as myself, it was implied that I was in a bad mood, and I got 'personal.'
How come I resent that?
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I don't think Charles is out of line for saying that he wants to see an effective response to a campaign crisis that he's not seeing, and I don't think he's disqualified from saying so in the absence of providing a solution. It's not up to us as voters to buy what a candidate is trying to sell, it's up to them to convince us we want what they're selling. Charles isn't sold on how the Cain campaign has responded to this smear, and he's just voicing it.
Newp. Sorry. You don't get to rule the other guy wrong if you can't define the way to do it better.
Charles doesn't have to be sold, but if he's going to condemn the Cain campaign's poor response, he'd better have a better one in mind. He doesn't.
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Amen.
Oh, and my apologies to anyone I may have offended by getting 'personal' with the TRUTH.
What is the "truth" in this case Janny? Define it for me, please.
Apparently, based on your responses, you understand it quite well.
The truth is that Charles says Cain did it wrong, yet he can't articulate how Cain could do it right, to satisfy him. I find that dishonest and disingenuous. Yet, for pointing out the obvious, that Charles had no answer to the question that Pandora asked, as well as myself, it was implied that I was in a bad mood, and I got 'personal.'
How come I resent that?
I don't think John meant to insult you with his "mood" comment. I'll let him speak for himself though.
I don't have as harsh a critique as Charles, but I also don't think Cain has handled this very well, and I don't have many constructive suggestions for how he could've handled it better. That doesn't disqualify my critique. It just means I'm not pleased with the response. If I were a campaign operative, I perhaps would be obligated to offer solutions with my complaints. As it is, I am comfortable offering a complaint and admitting that I don't have the answers in retrospect. I do, however, believe I have a way going forward - offense.
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I see you edited your post while I was typing my response to yours, and now it is clear that you have misunderstood my point. I have no desire to respond to your points. I was trying to get a coherent response from Charles, about what Cain would do that would not be WRONG in his eyes. Clearly he can not do it, and you agree with him that he doesn't have to. I wasn't brought up that way, so I guess we will have to disagree.
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I don't think Charles is out of line for saying that he wants to see an effective response to a campaign crisis that he's not seeing, and I don't think he's disqualified from saying so in the absence of providing a solution. It's not up to us as voters to buy what a candidate is trying to sell, it's up to them to convince us we want what they're selling. Charles isn't sold on how the Cain campaign has responded to this smear, and he's just voicing it.
Newp. Sorry. You don't get to rule the other guy wrong if you can't define the way to do it better.
Charles doesn't have to be sold, but if he's going to condemn the Cain campaign's poor response, he'd better have a better one in mind. He doesn't.
I disagree Pan, as you can read in the post prior to this one.
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Hooo-boy, this will really stir the pot on this thread (http://www.redstate.com/tbone/2011/11/04/in-response-to-leon/), but I think it encapsulates Charles' and some of my thoughts on how Cain has handled this...
[blockquote]...Consequently, I must take the position that investing in speculation and conjecture to determine the guilt or innocence of the candidate and then, somehow to conflate the guilt, if guilt there be, to making a determination of whether Cain possesses a sufficient degree morality and self-control to be entrusted with the presidency is really a moot point.
However, Bill Clinton proved that the office of President can certainly be held by a person of alley cat morality. Subsequently, Obama has proven that the office of President shouldn’t be held by a person who exhibits; a lack of experience, an uneven temperament, a lack of preparation, a lack of judgment in picking competent advisors, a willingness to resort to obfuscation, omission and fabrication, a fragile ego that lashes out when challenged, a narcissistic intensity to blame others for failures, a victim mentality and a willingness to claim racism as the basis for any criticism.
Unfortunately, the events of the last several days have illustrated that Cain can and has exhibited all of these traits in his response to this matter. Further, Cain has also exhibited these traits in a way that should give any objective observer long pause in considering how he would respond to the multitude of challenges which he would face in a general election.[/blockquote]
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I don't think Charles is out of line for saying that he wants to see an effective response to a campaign crisis that he's not seeing, and I don't think he's disqualified from saying so in the absence of providing a solution. It's not up to us as voters to buy what a candidate is trying to sell, it's up to them to convince us we want what they're selling. Charles isn't sold on how the Cain campaign has responded to this smear, and he's just voicing it.
Newp. Sorry. You don't get to rule the other guy wrong if you can't define the way to do it better.
Charles doesn't have to be sold, but if he's going to condemn the Cain campaign's poor response, he'd better have a better one in mind. He doesn't.
I disagree Pan, as you can read in the post prior to this one.
I see that, but what isn't clear is why. In any other endeavor of life, a stranger tromping up to you and declaring you're doin' it wrong, but without articulating what is "right" might be would deserve a kick in the ass and nothing more.
You people want a real, down to earth person as your candidate, yet one who is smarter than y'all, better able to handle these types of situations than you, one who shares and represents your values in ways you can't or won't? Really?
You want a superior being, one of the most rare, on the level with George Washington, who was God's gift to this infant country. You want somebody you consider better than you to run things, when anybody who is that would clearly consider you not worthy of the way he'd run things. We already have one of these in office. How's that working out for you. At another time or place, I'd call y'all lazy and inconsiderate.
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I see that, but what isn't clear is why. In any other endeavor of life, a stranger tromping up to you and declaring you're doin' it wrong, but without articulating what is "right" might be would deserve a kick in the ass and nothing more.
No, I'm not a stranger, I'm the boss and he wants to be my servant.
If he wants to serve me he must earn my trust.
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I see that, but what isn't clear is why. In any other endeavor of life, a stranger tromping up to you and declaring you're doin' it wrong, but without articulating what is "right" might be would deserve a kick in the ass and nothing more.
No, I'm not a stranger, I'm the boss and he wants to be my servant.
If he wants to serve me he must earn my trust.
Yeah? In any other context, the boss has an idea of what he expects from the servant, in terms of how its to be done, from the servant. You're not making a very good boss.
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I see that, but what isn't clear is why. In any other endeavor of life, a stranger tromping up to you and declaring you're doin' it wrong, but without articulating what is "right" might be would deserve a kick in the ass and nothing more.
No, I'm not a stranger, I'm the boss and he wants to be my servant.
If he wants to serve me he must earn my trust.
Yeah? In any other context, the boss has an idea of what he expects from the servant, in terms of how its to be done, from the servant. You're not making a very good boss.
He's auditioning, don't interrupt him.
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I see that, but what isn't clear is why. In any other endeavor of life, a stranger tromping up to you and declaring you're doin' it wrong, but without articulating what is "right" might be would deserve a kick in the ass and nothing more.
No, I'm not a stranger, I'm the boss and he wants to be my servant.
If he wants to serve me he must earn my trust.
Yeah? In any other context, the boss has an idea of what he expects from the servant, in terms of how its to be done, from the servant. You're not making a very good boss.
He's auditioning, don't interrupt him.
Charles, you have your opinion and criteria and it's your due.
We differ. My due.
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Fair enough.
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Okay, then.
Buona notte.
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http://news.yahoo.com/cains-favorability-drops-sex-accusations-poll-051227162.html (http://news.yahoo.com/cains-favorability-drops-sex-accusations-poll-051227162.html)
So, over on Yahoo we discover that that dastardly Herman Cain has lost 9 points from his Republican support and 5 points from his support from all registered voters because of this sex scandal! *gasp*
Then, we read some other news outlets that seem to contradict that completely...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.850bcd3404f997227ec4dc17b232e8bb.3a1&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.850bcd3404f997227ec4dc17b232e8bb.3a1&show_article=1)
Cain emerges unscathed from US harassment storm.
...which actually shows him closing the gap to within 1 percentage point of Romney.
Who to believe...who to believe...
...oh, then I find this story...
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/11/herman-cain-fundraising-sexual-harassment-kimmel/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/11/herman-cain-fundraising-sexual-harassment-kimmel/1)
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain has raised $2 million in campaign contributions in the week since sexual harassment allegations against him became public, his spokesman J.D. Gordon said today.
Yeah - so he supposedly lost support, but raked in 2 million in one week as a direct result of the supposed 'scandal'? How do these leftist reporters sleep at night? How can they possibly keep all their lies straight?
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The Ruling Class, regardless if they are Rovian's or run-of-the-mill MFM Leftists or Leftnut POl's and operatives must be defeated, and so far I don't think this thing hasn't the legs these bastards thought it had...hopefully this is the beginning of the end for them.
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Gloria Allredherring is now involved.
This bodes well for Cain.
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Yeah, she can eff up a sunny day like nobody's business!
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Gloria Allredherring is now involved.
This bodes well for Cain.
I just heard this on the "news". Apparently, she's showing up with a "victim"; a new one.
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Cain should trot out some bums off the street, have them testify that this chick was a street hooker put up to it by Gloria for cash.
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First woman goes public with harassment claim against Cain
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/07/first-woman-goes-public-with-harassment-claim-against-cain/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/07/first-woman-goes-public-with-harassment-claim-against-cain/)
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Bialek retold the story of meeting Cain at a restaurant industry event in Chicago. After she had been terminated from a job at the NRA, she was encouraged by her boyfriend at the time to ask Mr. Cain for help in looking for another job. He agreed to meet with her, and when she arrived in Washington D.C. .....
She wasn't working with him or for him; how can this be called "sexual harassment"?
How convenient she's out there with Gloria the Grifter as her attorney.
My bullsht meter is pegging at overload.
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So her "boyfriend" set up the meeting? There's a word for that, you know.
::pimp::
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This probably means Cain is toast, even though it's likely a hit job. Gingrich it is. ::gaah::
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So she asked him for a ride after she was supposedly harrassed? Is that normal behavior?
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So she asked him for a ride after she was supposedly harrassed? Is that normal behavior?
Only for a lying twit. It's like the victim asking the rapist for a ride to the hospital to get medical exam. This flies in the face of pactical sense, a slap in the face with anyone that has a functioning brain. Of course so little have brains that operate on this high level these days.
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So they knew each other from some past association and she comes
to him for a job. Sounds to me as if they had a past association
and Cain thought she wanted to resume the association.
and she said:...
"What are you doing?" You know I have a boyfriend".
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So they knew each other from some past association and she comes
to him for a job. Sounds to me as if they had a past association
and Cain thought she wanted to resume the association.
and she said:...
"What are you doing?" You know I have a boyfriend".
And then what? Cain saw the light and changed his way for the past 10 years? If this is a pattern, where are the recent victims?
Wiener sends unsolicited naked photos of himself, Clinton gets a BJ in the oval office and liberals don't bat an eye. Hell you can leave your girlfriend to die in a sinking car or sleep around on your cancer ridden dying wife.
Conservatives have to stop giving a rip about this stuff. It makes it way too easy or the left to make up (or dredge up, if these allegations from 10 years ago are true) a story and kill any candidate they don't want to see run - so they can get a Mitt Romney RINO in who won't do any serious damage to their cause.
I don't care if Cain did do these things myself. Hell, if the person making the demand/suggestion/innuendo isn't your boss, and has no power to fire you , IT ISN'T SEXUAL HARASSMENT - they are making a pass at you. Perhaps inept. Perhaps vulgar. Perhaps inappropriate. But not Criminal. Women used to be adults enough to slap the man across his face, tell him no, and then be smart enough to then remove themselves from the situation. And maybe when Cain was younger he was a lecherous jerk of skirt chaser. Is he now? Will he be getting BJs from interns in the oval office if elected? I am tired of the Left using our own morality against us.
When I was in college, I had to sit through an orientation where they went at length about how to construe a woman's behavior on a date, and basically went on and on about how if you have a penis, you have the responsibility for everything and anything that might happen . I wish I would have been smart enough and a jack ass enough to raise my hand and ask the speaker to just tell us the circumstances when a woman would actually be responsible for her own behavior or even her own feelings, because it seems it would be the shorter list and we would get done faster.
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I'm with Weisshaupt on this. The democrats have set this bar pretty dang low. So until someone comes up with a raped woman in an Arkansas hotel room with State Troopers as witnesses that say that 'Herman Cain did it' or until someone comes up with a dead girl in Herman Cain's upside down car in a drainage ditch, the 'scandal' doesn't have any bearing on whether I'll vote for him. /shrug.
And in the case that the aforementioned evidence comes to light, then he would belong in jail just like anyone else imo.
But until that evidence comes to light, it means absolutely nothing to me.
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What's funny is to listen to pseudocons like medved who pizz~n~moan and whine, "Why won't you people just get over Cain already.....and throw in with McRomney? C'mon, you know you want to!"
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I don't care either, I'm much more concerned how he's handled it from drop one.
He's back tracked and/or reversed statements sometimes three times in one day
and has pointed fingers at another as recently as yesterday. He has exposed a
lacking skill I want my president to have and exposed a defensive tactic that is
repellent. This whole episode contradicts his demonstrative straightforward meme.
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I don't know if anyone else saw this part of the Newt/Cain debate - when the moderator asked them whether they preferred a defined benefit model or a defined contribution model for Medicare. He threw the question to Cain, and he had a "Right of return.... Right of return...." moment, when he said with the same blank holy-sh*t stare, "Defined...... Newt, you go first." He didn't know what the question meant.
The man has demonstrated to my satisfaction, a lack of seriousness about the post he claims to be seeking. He has not familiarized himself with issues, terminology, positions, or the most basic talking points in support of the most rudimentary issues like abortion. He claims to be "studying" the things he does not know, but his study-habits and/or teachers seem to be getting in the way.
I think there is a good chance the accusations against Cain are false. But nonetheless, things about Herman Cain have been revealed by his response to the accusations, and compounded with other signs (as detailed above), I think it's quite likely that he is not ready for prime-time.
It pains me to say it. I had some hope that he would be the answer. But I just don't think it's to be. I'm starting to settle on thinking that perhaps it should not be.
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. But nonetheless, things about Herman Cain have been revealed by his response to the accusations, and compounded with other signs (as detailed above), I think it's quite likely that he is not ready for prime-time.
I have my reservations about the man as well. But I can't think of anyone I have NOT had reservations about when I voted for them. We can only choose from the choices given. If my choice is between Cain - who may very well NOT be ready for Prime time, and Romney, I would rather roll the dice that Cain will come up to speed when pushed. Hell, the fact he ISN'T polished - and obviously imperfect is part of the charm ( as long as he knows enough to find others who can make up for areas in which he is weak - which most CEOs are smart enough to do)
Having Romney in will be a victory for Democrats - giving them the opportunity to blame the GOP for the coming turd storm while putting them at no risk of loosing ground. I would rather have Obama win and own the mess he created than give the Democrats such an easy time of it.
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If Romney ends up with the nomination I'm not even certain he can win against Obama frankly...Romney is the one that the democrats want to run against. The guy can't seem to really break the glass ceiling in the polls for Republicans so how many will vote for someone else or not vote if Romney gets the nom? Add to that the fact that if Romney is the candidate then Obamacare as a bludgeon to beat Obama with is suddenly off the table. The democrats WANT Romney to get the nom because he's the easiest one for them to beat.
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Romney doesn't have the base, he has a solid 25% following who are moderates.
He does have full faith and credit from the Country Club. FORE!
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(CNN) (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/07/cain-to-hold-press-conference-tuesday/) - Republican presidential contender Herman Cain will address the latest sexual harassment allegations against him at a Tuesday afternoon news conference, his campaign announced late Monday.
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In 1972 Pauline Kael is alleged to have said about when Nixon won the 1972 election, "How can that be? No one I know voted for Nixon!" Probably apocryphal but I get a deja-vu vibe all over again when referring to McRomney.
I don't know of anyone who likes him. I do know folks who will hold their nose and pull the lever for him if we can't get anyone better. Me? I'm torn. I did relent and vote for mcstain (yea, like a lot of folks I told myself that I was voting for Sarah). But when a-holes like medved tell me that I need to grow up and vote for "the only Republican candidate who can actually win" it makes me want to sit it out altogether.
We don't even get a primary vote here in Washington. Instead we get dreary caucuses.
I'm thinking of pulling a Rip VanWinkle...
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ABC (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8422203)
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The public record on Bialek begins in 1991 when she filed personal bankruptcy for the first time while living in Des Plaines.
Between 1993 and 1996 Bialek worked for four different companies in promotion and marketing positions.
In 1996, and part of 1997, Bialek was at the National Restaurant Association. After being let go from that job in mid-1997, she says that she went to Washington, D.C., to meet with Cain, president of the association, because she needed a job.
In 1999, Bialek's son Nicholas was born and a paternity lawsuit was filed by the father, a media executive.
In 2001 came Bialek's second personal bankruptcy, filed after sizable legal bills. That year she was hired by WGN radio where she worked until 2004 when she took a marketing job and then a job at WCKG radio.
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Read it all (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8422203)
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By the by, guys . . .
From a legal perspective, Cain's alleged conduct with this babe is not "sexual harassment" as defined by workforce law. It is, however, a sexual battery if the conduct involved impermissible touching.
While I'm at it, can't the hatchet jobbers find somebody other than this legal skank Gloria Allred? This is as unbelievable as if Paul Begala held a press conference and trotted out some bleached blond white chick claiming the Big Black Guy grabbed her crotch.
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Remember who represented Arnold's paramour?
Remember who trotted out Meg Whitman's illegal alien right before the California election?
Remember who represented Tiger's whores?
For your schadenfraeudian pleasure, checkit: Greta destroys tool Allred on national t.v.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN DESTROYS GLORIA ALLRED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utL6L_ByCgs#)
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I thought the picture of Allred standing with Bialek was striking ... One whore representing another .
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In case you missed it, Here's Mark Levin's take on the subject courtesy of TRS
http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-pokes-holes-in-cain-accusers-story/ (http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-pokes-holes-in-cain-accusers-story/)
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I thought the picture of Allred standing with Bialek was striking ... One whore representing another .
::thumbsup::
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In case you missed it, Here's Mark Levin's take on the subject courtesy of TRS
http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-pokes-holes-in-cain-accusers-story/ (http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-pokes-holes-in-cain-accusers-story/)
Levin makes clear he’s not suggesting one way or the other the potential outcome of this story, who is guilty and who isn’t, but that he just believes her story doesn’t quite make sense and thus he would like to ask her a few questions.
Ha, I saw that movie: Kom into my chamber I only vont do ask you a few qvuetions.
Bwaa ha ha ha.
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They are after our white women! (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/07/dem-strategist-can-conservatives-handle-the-fact-that-cains-accuser-is-white/) Conservatives can't handle white/black relations! She just asked him to come in an bust up a chifferobe!
I got something to say (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVV3eA4azw#noexternalembed)
Also, yet another woman comes forward.
Sunny TV: Herman Cain Sexually Harassed Me Too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2tLYE4SYIs#)
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http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/08/110811-news-cain-accuser-1-3/ (http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/08/110811-news-cain-accuser-1-3/)
"Reliable"?
::laughonfloor::
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The Bialek woman was on with Glenn Beck, today. Again.
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[blockquote]"Credibility matters here, and Gloria Allred -- while she is a Democrat and a liberal Democrat and openly so -- nonetheless, has been involved in a number of high-profile cases like Tiger Woods and others, where the charges have been borne out.
So this gives Ms. Bialek's charges and accusations a little bit of credibility, and that's what we're talking about here -- credibility."[/blockquote]
Wait for it.....
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[blockquote]- Karl Rove[/blockquote]
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THE FIVE,
FNC
"Does she [Allred] own an ambulance company?"
Bob Beckel,
November 7, 2011
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*sigh*
Rove. Really.
I have no idea at all how or what to think about all of this now.
Mark Levin tore into this woman's story last evening with a list of questions not asked, nor answered, and highlighting discrepancies. Today, previous to Bialek's "appearance", Beck spoke with another woman who vouched for her credibility -- didn't catch her name or identity. Bialek's history is checkered, but that does not necessarily disqualify the possibility she was assaulted, while it does make her a less-than credible teller of the truth.
All of this could have come out the minute Cain popped up; why wait until now?
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...All of this could have come out the minute Cain popped up; why wait until now?
::thinking::
Because it's a lie?
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...All of this could have come out the minute Cain popped up; why wait until now?
::thinking::
Because it's a lie?
It may very well be a lie.
What do we have here now, though? We have a face and an identity on national TV, with a narrative that validates the other anonymous accusers, and an attorney.
What does Herman Cain do for a credible rebuttal, other than an outright denial? He needs another face and identity to stand up with evidence that will discredit this woman?
All of this is disgusting .... and distracting. We conservatives are where we usually are -- left mucking around with this type of BS instead of focusing on the issues. We're not even left the option of pushing it off the way the Democrats did because they'll smash us with charges of hypocrisy.
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Herman Cain will hold a press conference today at 5:00 PM EST.
The Cain Campain released a statement today questioning the motives of Sharon Bialek. The campaign
Via The Corner:
As Ms. Sharon Bialek has placed herself in the public spotlight through making patently false allegations against Herman Cain, it is only fair to compare her track record alongside Mr. Cain’s.
In stark contrast to Mr. Cain’s four decades spent climbing the corporate ladder rising to the level of CEO at multiple successful business enterprises, Ms. Bialek has taken a far different path.
The fact is that Ms. Bialek has had a long and troubled history, from the courts to personal finances – which may help explain why she has come forward 14 years after an alleged incident with Mr. Cain, powered by celebrity attorney and long term Democrat donor Gloria Allred.
In the courts, Ms. Bialek has had a lengthy record in the Cook County Court system over various civil lawsuits. The following cases on file in Cook County are:
· 2000-M1-707461 Defendant against Broadcare Management
· 2000-M1-714398 Defendant in lawsuit against Broadcare Management
· 2000-M1-701522 Defendant in lawsuit against Broadcare Management
· 2005-M1-111072 Defendant in lawsuit against Mr. Mark Beatovic.
· 2007-M1-189176 Defendant in lawsuit against Midland Funding.
· 2009-M1-158826 Defendant in lawsuit against Illinois Lending.
Ms. Bialek was also sued in 1999 over a paternity matter according to ABC 7 Chicago (WLS-TV). Source: WLS-TV, November 7, 2011
In personal finances, PACER (Federal Court) records show that Ms. Bialek has filed for bankruptcy in the Northern District of Illinois bankruptcy court in 1991 and 2001. The respective case numbers according to the PACER system are 1:01-bk-22664 and 1:91-bk-23273.
Ms. Bialek has worked for nine employers over the last seventeen years. Source: WLS-TV, November 7, 2011
Curiously, if Ms. Bialek had intended to take legal action, the statute of limitations would have passed a decade ago.
Which brings up the question of why she would make such reprehensible statements now?
The questions should be – who is financing her legal team, have any media agreed to pay for her story, and has she been offered employment for taking these actions?
Link (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/cain-goes-on-offense-releases-statement-attacking-accuser-sharon-bialek/), H/T RD
Isn't this precisely where we didn't want any of this to go?
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Hmmm .... from a commenter at the Gateway link ...
Look who the attorney is in the 2009 Illinois Lending case. (https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/cookcounty/Finddock.asp?DocketKey=CAAJ0MB0BFIICG0MD)
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Last week Levin said all we need now is Allred and this week she
pops up. And now TPOS Rove, chimes in, the Pubbies are in heaven.
Rasmussen, I think, said today that the majority of people DGAS.
Either few people are aware and they are keeping it alive long enough
for it to catch on or people are sick and tired of grave digging PC muck-
rakers that they take it for what it is, a worthless distraction.
How his donations go, up or down, over the next week will be a more
accurate indicator of his survivability. If he comes out on top one
must say, very well played.
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Radio said she lives in an apartment owned by ....
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David Axelrod
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For the record, Malkin (http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/07/no-david-axelrod-is-not-connected-to-sharon-bialek-plus-cook-county-court-records/) states the "David Axelrod" representing plaintiff, Illinois Lending, is not "the" David Axelrod.
As far as Bialek living in his building, waiting for the other shoe ......
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I still submit this was motivated by Ruling Class trash in the GOP ala The Butthead, and if they got help from trash on the other side, we'll, a pragmatic dick like The Butthead wouldn't bat an eye over such an expedient short-term alliance!
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I retract what I said earlier about being ready to go with Gingrich instead of Herman Cain. I think Hermain Cain was genuine in this interview (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/08/herman_cain_accuser_sharon_bialek_is_lying_about_sexual_harassment.html) about the sexual harassment allegations. Gloria Allred doesn't add credibility to this woman's case, but just the opposite. Neither does 6 lawsuits and two bankruptcies.
I'm ready to give Cain the benefit of the doubt. I agree that there are powerful special interests who don't want someone like Cain going in there closing tax loopholes, and ending corporate/union cronyism.
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Gloria Allred: Whitman Is An Awful Person--But This Case Is Not Political (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yU9BBjdavA#ws)
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For the record, Malkin (http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/07/no-david-axelrod-is-not-connected-to-sharon-bialek-plus-cook-county-court-records/) states the "David Axelrod" representing plaintiff, Illinois Lending, is not "the" David Axelrod.
As far as Bialek living in his building, waiting for the other shoe ......
Yup, per Fox, she and Axelrod live in the same apartment. Also something about
the gym and passing each other in the elevator.
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For the record, Malkin (http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/07/no-david-axelrod-is-not-connected-to-sharon-bialek-plus-cook-county-court-records/) states the "David Axelrod" representing plaintiff, Illinois Lending, is not "the" David Axelrod.
As far as Bialek living in his building, waiting for the other shoe ......
Yup, per Fox, she and Axelrod live in the same apartment. Also something about
the gym and passing each other in the elevator.
I don't need anymore than Alred being in the picture. That whore is all the proof any of us need that this is a political hit. ::rockethrow::
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Remember who represented Arnold's paramour?
Remember who trotted out Meg Whitman's illegal alien right before the California election?
Remember who represented Tiger's whores?
For your schadenfraeudian pleasure, checkit: Greta destroys tool Allred on national t.v.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN DESTROYS GLORIA ALLRED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utL6L_ByCgs#)
She destroyed her....but the problem with destroying liberals is they don't care. They have no conscience....It isn't about justice.
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WHAT!! ::speechless:: Her son works at Politico ::gaah::
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WHAT!! ::speechless:: Her son works at Politico ::gaah::
Really.
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WHAT!! ::speechless:: Her son works at Politico ::gaah::
Whose son? Allred's?
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WHAT!! ::speechless:: Her son works at Politico ::gaah::
Whose son? Allred's?
Beat me to it??
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Byalik
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Oh. Bialik's son. Okay. Mucho supriso. Not.
You got a link or somethin', Charles?
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Oh. Bialik's son. Okay. Mucho supriso. molto sorpresa(feminie "A") Not.
You got a link or somethin', Charles?
FIFY
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No. Not Bialek's son; the second accuser, an Obama supporter. This one >>> http://newyorkpost.com/p/news/national/woman_obama_accused_herman_cain_YUPqjDLbeq89nhLTER8V6N (http://newyorkpost.com/p/news/national/woman_obama_accused_herman_cain_YUPqjDLbeq89nhLTER8V6N)
Per a Hannity interview (H/T Rigpa):
Herman Cain's campaign chief of staff Mark Block, on FOX News' "Hannity" claims the candidate's latest accuser, Karen Kraushaar, has a son that works for Politico. Transcript:
Mark Block, Cain campaign's Chief of Staff: "It's become quite apparent that Mr. Cain's candidacy and his rise in the poll is the -- both the left and the right's worst nightmare.
"You have all of these allegations coming out, you know, eight, nine days ago from Politico. You start connecting the dots and trying to figure out whether it's coming from opponents on the left or opponents on the right. I mean, just at the press conference it was brought up that the -- Karen Kraushaar come out as one of the women. So we've come to find out her son works at Politico, the organization that originally out the story out."
Sean Hannity, host: "Have you confirmed that? I've been hearing that all day. You've confirmed that now, right?"
Block: "We confirmed it -- that he does indeed work at Politico and that's his mother, yes."
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Thanks for the correction.
It is all coming together isn't it?
If Cain can hold it together the wheels
may just fall off their little happy wagon.
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Thanks for the correction.
It is all coming together isn't it?
If Cain can hold it together the wheels
may just fall off their little happy wagon.
The Chicago way at work. Where are the men that Obama had (ahem) contact with??
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And then THIS: (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/08/mark-block-did-you-know-that-the-son-of-cains-accuser-works-for-politico/)
Block appeared to be referring to former POLITICO reporter Josh Kraushaar, who left for another outlet, National Journal, in 2010.
Josh Kraushaar tweeted earlier in the day, apparently after getting questions, that he’s in fact not related to Karen Kraushaar, and simply has the same last name.
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/IronDioPriest/3820986898_ee66e57b1a_o.jpg)
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Sure. How common is that name?
The smog of obfuscation surely be flyin' thick now.
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We have a serial claimer of sexual harassment.
Accuser Kraushaar filed complaint in next job (http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-accuser-filed-complaint-next-job-080946066.html)
WASHINGTON (AP) — A woman who settled a sexual harassment complaint against GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain in 1999 complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment, saying she should be allowed to work from home after a serious car accident and accusing a manager of circulating a sexually charged email, The Associated Press has learned.
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Manufactured.
Cain was right all along, it is a lynching.
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Yep, IDP. Out of this whole thing, Block has been the only thing that truly makes me want to ::unknowncomic::
Time for Block to go.
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Yep, IDP. Out of this whole thing, Block has been the only thing that truly makes me want to ::unknowncomic::
Time for Block to go.
He's not up to the task.
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Yep, IDP. Out of this whole thing, Block has been the only thing that truly makes me want to ::unknowncomic::
Time for Block to go.
He's not up to the task.
He's starting to seem too weak.
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This is interesting. I didn't know such technology existed. Something to chew on. I've said several times that it's not the allegations, but Cain's response that should have people concerned. But if the allegations are indeed false, and the entire event was manufactured to harm Herman Cain, that matters to me, and it will matter to voters.
Investigator: Herman Cain innocent of sexual advances (http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/16002149/investigator-herman-cain-innocent-of-sexual-advances)
ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) -
Private investigator TJ Ward said presidential hopeful Herman Cain was not lying at a news conference on Tuesday in Phoenix.
Cain denied making any sexual actions towards Sharon Bialek and vowed to take a polygraph test if necessary to prove his innocence. Cain has not taken a polygraph but Ward said he does have software that does something better. Ward said the $15,000 software can detect lies in people's voices.
CBS Atlanta's Mike Paluska played Cain's speech for Ward into the software and watched as it analyzed Cain's every word.
If he is hiding something this thing would have spiked way down here," said Ward. "He is being truthful, totally truthful. He is a man with integrity and he talked directly about not knowing any incident he is accused of."
The software analyzes the stress level and other factors in your voice. During the speech, when Cain denied the claims, the lie detector read "low risk." According to Ward, that means Cain is telling the truth.
During the section of Bialek's news conference where she says, "He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch." During the analysis of that section the software said "high risk statement." Ward said that means she is not telling the truth about what happened. "I don't think she is fabricating her meetings," said Ward. But, she is fabricating what transpired."
Ward said nearly 70 law enforcement agencies nationwide use the voice software, including the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office. Ward said the technology is a scientific measure that law enforcement use as a tool to tell when someone is lying and that it has a 95 percent success rate.
After listening to Cain's speech and analyzing it, Ward said there is no doubt, Cain is innocent.
"When he directly talks about the allegations against him there is no high risk," said Ward. "It is low risk, which tells me he is being truthful in his conversations to the public."
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Wow, how fast will the MFM bury that story?!
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Oh, and while this started off as a piece on Ohio...
...isn't it nice to see the fothermucking Butthead continue to do Ruling Class bidding and trash Cain?!
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/10/what-weve-learned-about-politics-and-2012-this-week/ (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/10/what-weve-learned-about-politics-and-2012-this-week/)
...not that this sapper bothers reading Coulter or anybody else...!!!
I really would like to see The Butthead suffer from a fatal Act of God!!!
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I ask Him to help us out every night.
I'll be His choice what he does.
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"He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch."
The logistics of this would require both people to be near facing each other; as this supposedly happened in the car, she may as well accuse him of being "Elasti-man", too.
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http://www.tsowell.com/ (http://www.tsowell.com/)
From the 'Columns' section:
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell111011.php3 (http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell111011.php3)
It is probably not racism, as such, that motivates these attacks on Herman Cain. The motivation is far more likely to be politics, but politics makes a prominent black conservative like Clarence Thomas or Herman Cain far more dangerous to the Democrats than an equally prominent white conservative.
The 90 percent black vote for Democrats is like money in the bank on election day. A prominent black conservative who offers an alternative view of the world is a serious danger politically, because if that alternative view has the net effect of reducing the black vote for Democrats just to 75 percent, the Democrats are in big trouble at election time.
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They know the blacks that follow Cain will not come back.
They also know that those blacks will go into the neighborhood
and fetch their loved one's and they won't be going back.
And again and again and again. They are skeered of Herman.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/10/us-usa-campaign-cain-accusations-idUSTRE7A97I020111110 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/10/us-usa-campaign-cain-accusations-idUSTRE7A97I020111110)
Let's see how this gets utilized.
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Saw the presser with Can and Wood. He should have hired Wood
a long time ago, he's smooth. Eric Boling said he's top of the line.
He also asked why all the best lawyers were from the South and
talked s l o w.
::thumbsup::
Good hunting Mr. Cain
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"He also asked why all the best lawyers were from the South and talked s l o w."
I'll venture to guess it's because they're used to fighting these wars!
;D
Plus, if one is about to get schooled in law, sure goes down easier with southern sugar than northeast twang, eh?
;)
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"He also asked why all the best lawyers were from the South and talked s l o w."
I'll venture to guess it's because they're used to fighting these wars!
;D
Plus, if one is about to get schooled in law, sure goes down easier with southern sugar than northeast twang, eh?
;)
The southern accent has to be one of the finest pieces of human camouflage known to man, causing opponents to misunderestimate the intellect behind it. ::dueling::
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57322894-503544/poll-cain-tops-3-way-race-with-romney-gingrich/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57322894-503544/poll-cain-tops-3-way-race-with-romney-gingrich/)
Yeah I know - it's just a poll (and a CBS one at that!) and the only poll that matters is the one at the voting booth. Still, just because polls aren't reliable doesn't mean that they should just be dismissed out-of-hand. They still have some value. The value I see in this one: CBS shows Cain still ahead in the Republican field...if CBS can't fudge the numbers enough to make him look really bad then that's saying something!
In the Republican race for the presidential nomination, Newt Gingrich's support continues to slowly grow, and he is now tied with Mitt Romney for second place, while Herman Cain just edges both of them out for the top spot. Both Cain and Romney have lost support since late October.
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The lies aren't working. And that's a good thing.
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The southern accent has to be one of the finest pieces of human camouflage known to man, causing opponents to misunderestimate the intellect behind it. ::dueling::
Only a Southerner can successfully use the phrase, with all due respect, with such charming condescension that the object of the point thinks he has received the highest of complements.
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The southern accent has to be one of the finest pieces of human camouflage known to man, causing opponents to misunderestimate the intellect behind it. ::dueling::
Only a Southerner can successfully use the phrase, with all due respect, with such charming condescension that the object of the point thinks he has received the highest of complements.
Just so.
Now, if you would do me the service of instructing on "well, bless yore heart", I'd be appreciative. One Southerner informs me this is never meant well, similar to "with all due respect", when said to a non-Southerner. Another contradicts the first and avers it is not said when it is not heartfelt. I'm cornfused.
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The southern accent has to be one of the finest pieces of human camouflage known to man, causing opponents to misunderestimate the intellect behind it. ::dueling::
Only a Southerner can successfully use the phrase, with all due respect, with such charming condescension that the object of the point thinks he has received the highest of complements.
Just so.
Now, if you would do me the service of instructing on "well, bless yore heart", I'd be appreciative. One Southerner informs me this is never meant well, similar to "with all due respect", when said to a non-Southerner. Another contradicts the first and avers it is not said when it is not heartfelt. I'm cornfused.
On some forums where the only indication of my background is what state I live in, I've been told that (usually by females). I'm not supposed to know that I'm being insulted and have gotten some very interesting reactions when I play it back on them ("Hmmm, does he mean "bless yore heart" sincerely or does he mean "bless yore heart" facetiously?) ;D
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It can be a sincere expression of empathy with another person's travails, or it can be a demure form of sarcasm, i.e. "I'm going to be optimistic here and give you the benefit of the doubt that just maybe you were born mildly retarded". It's all in the context. I've usually only heard the expression from older women and in those cases it was used affectionately.
The first key to understanding the Southern accent/vernacular is to recognize that there is no the Southern accent. It's like the British accent in that it has innumerable local and regional variations. Linguists have long been fascinated with it because the Southern speech pattern preserved many elements of 17th-18th Century English.
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Damn Yankee's, now they done messed up our language!
;D
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It can be a sincere expression of empathy with another person's travails, or it can be a demure form of sarcasm, i.e. "I'm going to be optimistic here and give you the benefit of the doubt that just maybe you were born mildly retarded". It's all in the context. I've usually only heard the expression from older women and in those cases it was used affectionately.
The first key to understanding the Southern accent/vernacular is to recognize that there is no the Southern accent. It's like the British accent in that it has innumerable local and regional variations. Linguists have long been fascinated with it because the Southern speech pattern preserved many elements of 17th-18th Century English.
Thank you for the information.
One thing I AM clear on is there is no THE Southern accent. I had a man tell me just yesterday that folks here in NC think he's from Texas (because of his accent) when he's from West Virginia.
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Where does coon-ass fit into the picture? ::unknowncomic::
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Where does coon-ass fit into the picture? ::unknowncomic::
A coon-ass fits in a pirogue. ::rockethrow::
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From the BAS "Southern Fried Dictionary":
Well, bless your heart! Meaning: "Well now, you really are an effin moron, aren't you?"
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When my moma says "Well bless your heart" to a family whose kids went off to git there schoolin and come back inundated with the liberal gene...It is a form of sympathy.....When she says it to the kids, it is in the form of you are a stupid dumbass.
Btw, there is no southern accent.
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From the BAS "Southern Fried Dictionary":
Well, bless your heart! Meaning: "Well now, you really are an effin moron, aren't you?"
That's about the size of it.
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When my moma says "Well bless your heart" to a family whose kids went off to git there schoolin and come back inundated with the liberal gene...It is a form of sympathy.....When she says it to the kids, it is in the form of you are a stupid dumbass.
Btw, there is no southern accent.
No, 'course not. No nawthun accent either, cawfeecawfeecawfee.
I'm just waiting for the chance, next time I'm up north, to ask someone to "mash" the elevator button. Just tickles 'em to dayuth.
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When my moma says "Well bless your heart" to a family whose kids went off to git there schoolin and come back inundated with the liberal gene...It is a form of sympathy.....When she says it to the kids, it is in the form of you are a stupid dumbass.
Btw, there is no southern accent.
No, 'course not. No nawthun accent either, cawfeecawfeecawfee.
I'm just waiting for the chance, next time I'm up north, to ask someone to "mash" the elevator button. Just tickles 'em to dayuth.
And I can't wait to hear the next northerner ask for a "pop"........ Or when they get cornbread with thier meal, they say " oh, I didn't know this came with pancakes, I need some syrup.
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When my moma says "Well bless your heart" to a family whose kids went off to git there schoolin and come back inundated with the liberal gene...It is a form of sympathy.....When she says it to the kids, it is in the form of you are a stupid dumbass.
Btw, there is no southern accent.
No, 'course not. No nawthun accent either, cawfeecawfeecawfee.
I'm just waiting for the chance, next time I'm up north, to ask someone to "mash" the elevator button. Just tickles 'em to dayuth.
And I can't wait to hear the next northerner ask for a "pop"........ Or when they get cornbread with thier meal, they say " oh, I didn't know this came with pancakes, I need some syrup.
Some of us call it soda.
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When my moma says "Well bless your heart" to a family whose kids went off to git there schoolin and come back inundated with the liberal gene...It is a form of sympathy.....When she says it to the kids, it is in the form of you are a stupid dumbass.
Btw, there is no southern accent.
No, 'course not. No nawthun accent either, cawfeecawfeecawfee.
I'm just waiting for the chance, next time I'm up north, to ask someone to "mash" the elevator button. Just tickles 'em to dayuth.
And I can't wait to hear the next northerner ask for a "pop"........ Or when they get cornbread with thier meal, they say " oh, I didn't know this came with pancakes, I need some syrup.
Some of us call it soda.
Soda? So what does the Mcdonalds employee hand you out the drive thru?
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Where does coon-ass fit into the picture? ::unknowncomic::
A coon-ass fits in a pirogue. ::rockethrow::
Good call. You do know you stick out in a crowd now just for knowing the word pirogue? ::whoohoo::
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Aw Alan, I feel a song comin' on:
Hank Williams - Jambalaya (on the Bayou) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdytLmTsCJw#ws)
At the end, check out that babe.
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When my moma says "Well bless your heart" to a family whose kids went off to git there schoolin and come back inundated with the liberal gene...It is a form of sympathy.....When she says it to the kids, it is in the form of you are a stupid dumbass.
Btw, there is no southern accent.
No, 'course not. No nawthun accent either, cawfeecawfeecawfee.
I'm just waiting for the chance, next time I'm up north, to ask someone to "mash" the elevator button. Just tickles 'em to dayuth.
And I can't wait to hear the next northerner ask for a "pop"........ Or when they get cornbread with thier meal, they say " oh, I didn't know this came with pancakes, I need some syrup.
Some of us call it soda.
Soda? So what does the Mcdonalds employee hand you out the drive thru?
Root Beer@! ::mooning::
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Here y'all go, linguistics and all/
http://www.alphadictionary.com/articles/yankeetest.html (http://www.alphadictionary.com/articles/yankeetest.html)
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When my moma says "Well bless your heart" to a family whose kids went off to git there schoolin and come back inundated with the liberal gene...It is a form of sympathy.....When she says it to the kids, it is in the form of you are a stupid dumbass.
Btw, there is no southern accent.
No, 'course not. No nawthun accent either, cawfeecawfeecawfee.
I'm just waiting for the chance, next time I'm up north, to ask someone to "mash" the elevator button. Just tickles 'em to dayuth.
And I can't wait to hear the next northerner ask for a "pop"........ Or when they get cornbread with thier meal, they say " oh, I didn't know this came with pancakes, I need some syrup.
Some of us call it soda.
Soda? So what does the Mcdonalds employee hand you out the drive thru?
Root Beer@! ::mooning::
Uh....They don't sell that at Mcdonalds....at least not my Mcdonalds. Are u sure it was Mcdonalds???? ::rolllaughing::
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When my moma says "Well bless your heart" to a family whose kids went off to git there schoolin and come back inundated with the liberal gene...It is a form of sympathy.....When she says it to the kids, it is in the form of you are a stupid dumbass.
Btw, there is no southern accent.
No, 'course not. No nawthun accent either, cawfeecawfeecawfee.
I'm just waiting for the chance, next time I'm up north, to ask someone to "mash" the elevator button. Just tickles 'em to dayuth.
And I can't wait to hear the next northerner ask for a "pop"........ Or when they get cornbread with thier meal, they say " oh, I didn't know this came with pancakes, I need some syrup.
Some of us call it soda.
Soda? So what does the Mcdonalds employee hand you out the drive thru?
Root Beer@! ::mooning::
Uh....They don't sell that at Mcdonalds....at least not my Mcdonalds. Are u sure it was Mcdonalds???? ::rolllaughing::
Truth be told I haven't been in one in almost 5 years.