Topic: Obesity, diet, seed oils

[patentlymn]

"blah blah obesity blah circadian rhythms blah blah melatonin blah  blah blah"

10 years later I spent a long weekend in the hospital. It seemed like 3rd shift nurses were often whales.

[patentlymn]

One thing I found surprising that seems to be pretty much universally agreed upon among the people who are considered contemporary experts is that a great deal of the science involving metabolism, metabolic endocrinology, and biochemistry in regards to the bodies processing of the macro nutrients Has changed dramatically in the last 5 to 10 years. ...

I heard that medical schools still do not teach nutrition or teach it wrong.

Some researcher found the med school (Harvard?)  instructions from 1900 in some archives for diabetes.Apparently diabetes was managed with careful attention to diet?  The person said that making  insulin available destroyed metabolism science.

Also, Germany used to be the center for food and metabolism knowledge and science. It was common knowledge (an old wives tale) that bread makes you fat. Then the center switched to US where the so called science said fat makes you fat. Only calories matter.

[IronDioPriest]

Interestingly, while calories do matter, they only matter in regard to how the body metabolizes the particular macronutrient. As an example, imagine a daily consumption of 3000 calories in beef, avocado oil, broccoli, butter, and cheese. Now imagine that same day, but replace the food with thirteen 16 oz bottles of Mountain Dew. Roughly the same caloric content. But VASTLY different biochemical process in the metabolism. The former would result in weight loss if sustained over time. The latter would result in increasingly obesity over the same period of time.

[ToddF]

235 to 150, here.  Low carbs showed immediate results.  I never went full ketosis because it didn't feel right for me to give up vegetables and fruit, but I went to the lowest carb versions of such.  Oranges instead of bananas.  Spinach instead of corn, things like that.  So never under 20 grams per day but certainly under 50.  And yes, no juice.  I stalled out at 200 doing that and eventually just learned to eat less. 

Anything by Gary Taubes is good reading.

[IronDioPriest]

235 to 150, here.  Low carbs showed immediate results.  I never went full ketosis because it didn't feel right for me to give up vegetables and fruit, but I went to the lowest carb versions of such.  Oranges instead of bananas.  Spinach instead of corn, things like that.  So never under 20 grams per day but certainly under 50.  And yes, no juice.  I stalled out at 200 doing that and eventually just learned to eat less. 

Anything by Gary Taubes is good reading.

I began at 272. Definitely the heaviest I’d ever been. Now 182. Feel 20 years younger.

[ToddF]

Can't say I feel younger.  I felt younger giving up the cigarettes.  Now I can sleep without a recliner and never get heart burn, let alone full on acid reflux which I also got.

I managed to hike myself up here at 215 pounds.   

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.1707874,121.5534421,3a,75y,210.16h,86.36t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPSFU2zb24jw2WMNwXXZrfUP-4t7U_yZh3Y484!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPSFU2zb24jw2WMNwXXZrfUP-4t7U_yZh3Y484%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya296.2801-ro0-fo100!7i6656!8i3328?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDgyMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

My diet was better than it ever was.  My bloodwork came back great, but I was eating a crap ton of rice while in Taiwan and knowing what I know now, that was the big no no.

My success at preparing spaghetti squash as a substitute for pasta and rice was mixed, at best.  That is incredibly hard to prepare, right.  But today I see Sam's selling cauliflower rice and if I were doing this today, that would look to be a good option as well as cauliflower pizza crust.

[patentlymn]

Not worth watching but this will get some publicity. He talks some about seed  oils. Just because something can be made from certain plants  does not mean it is good or bad for you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StopEatingSeedOils/comments/1f0ibkm/kennedy_breaks_down_effects_of_processed_foods/
Kennedy breaks down effects of processed foods

[patentlymn]

There is something called Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT). It burns calories at a high rate compared to other tissues. Scientists knew that in humans this tissues goes away when kids get older as such baby fat goes away.

One day someone had a scan, maybe a PET scan. It was corrupted and looked weird. There was a protocol room temperature for the scan but it was done at a much lower room temperature. Turns out the cold temps had activated the BAT which was burning calories. Turns out people can have BAT mostly near their neck, collarbones, and upper shoulders?

There was a theory that central heating made people fat. I saw some proposed method for weight loss involving messing with body temp sensors maybe at your wrists and/or neck?

[Libertas]

I'm still exploring this and think I will have a hybrid plan, it might not be a full ketosis effort...we'll see...the weight loss isn't the primary goal, detoxifying and helping my metabolism is, I've levelled off at 235 for about 20+ years now largely through portion control and my bloodwork has always been in-range FWIW, if I lose a little weight, swell I'll take it, but at almost 6'2" I don't think I need to lose a big number, never did agree with the anorexia-pushing BMI numbers of the so-called "experts"...if I get to 200 or a bit less would be fine with me...

[Libertas]

There is something called Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT). It burns calories at a high rate compared to other tissues. Scientists knew that in humans this tissues goes away when kids get older as such baby fat goes away.

One day someone had a scan, maybe a PET scan. It was corrupted and looked weird. There was a protocol room temperature for the scan but it was done at a much lower room temperature. Turns out the cold temps had activated the BAT which was burning calories. Turns out people can have BAT mostly near their neck, collarbones, and upper shoulders?

There was a theory that central heating made people fat. I saw some proposed method for weight loss involving messing with body temp sensors maybe at your wrists and/or neck?

Sounds like an asshole with an agenda more in-line with the WEF/Globalist Cabal!   

[patentlymn]

There is something called Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT). It burns calories at a high rate compared to other tissues. Scientists knew that in humans this tissues goes away when kids get older as such baby fat goes away.

One day someone had a scan, maybe a PET scan. It was corrupted and looked weird. There was a protocol room temperature for the scan but it was done at a much lower room temperature. Turns out the cold temps had activated the BAT which was burning calories. Turns out people can have BAT mostly near their neck, collarbones, and upper shoulders?

There was a theory that central heating made people fat. I saw some proposed method for weight loss involving messing with body temp sensors maybe at your wrists and/or neck?

Sounds like an asshole with an agenda more in-line with the WEF/Globalist Cabal!   

It was an older theory.

[paulh]

  or an older a$$hole

[patentlymn]

Human body is stranger than most believe.

I learned of several devices to treat female incontinence. One worked by stimulating the little toe as i recall. In some women nerves run close together such that stimulating the little toe closes the sphincter around the ureter.

After me, an old GF was married and wanted to have children but her hormones were off. She was treated by an endocrinologist but nothing worked. She had accumulated lots of medical knowledge much due to helping her father who lived to an old age but after 2-3 dozen operations. She guided him through these.

Finally she went to a Chinese herbalist. She was not some new age flake. She did what he said for months When she returned to the endocrinologist her hormones were perfect. She had 3 kids..

I had heard that "sitting is worse than smoking." I had worked in mostly sedentary jobs including software writing. I recall only 1 morbidly obese person. I much later did some document review on site. It was almost like being chained to your chair in terms of being tracked for your work. Several morbidly obese people in the room who had been doing this a long time. I gained a few pounds every month I did this.

[patentlymn]

I'm still exploring this and think I will have a hybrid plan, it might not be a full ketosis effort...we'll see...the weight loss isn't the primary goal, detoxifying and helping my metabolism is, I've levelled off at 235 for about 20+ years now largely through portion control and my bloodwork has always been in-range FWIW, if I lose a little weight, swell I'll take it, but at almost 6'2" I don't think I need to lose a big number, never did agree with the anorexia-pushing BMI numbers of the so-called "experts"...if I get to 200 or a bit less would be fine with me...

From what I believe about this stuff.
'1. See if you can hold off eating until noon or maybe later. It is doable without huge effort.
2. Try to reduce processed foods mostly for general health to reduce seed oils. I still eat them.I should not.  Pizzas. Frozen beef bean burritos.
3. Saturated fats are good for you. Poly unsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) are bad for you. Olive oil is OK. Fat kills hunger for a long time.
4. Walk every day not to burn calories but because walking is magic.
5. Stuff yourself with green vegetables. Lots of butter helps.
7. Reduce carbs to the extent you can.
8. If you can, take the time make your own salad dressings with healthier oils.

[IronDioPriest]

There is something called Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT). It burns calories at a high rate compared to other tissues. Scientists knew that in humans this tissues goes away when kids get older as such baby fat goes away.

One day someone had a scan, maybe a PET scan. It was corrupted and looked weird. There was a protocol room temperature for the scan but it was done at a much lower room temperature. Turns out the cold temps had activated the BAT which was burning calories. Turns out people can have BAT mostly near their neck, collarbones, and upper shoulders?

There was a theory that central heating made people fat. I saw some proposed method for weight loss involving messing with body temp sensors maybe at your wrists and/or neck?

The rage right now, particularly among athletes and fitness gurus, is the ice bath plunge. Specifically for that reason. The reason brown adipose tissue is brown is because it is densely packed with mitochondria as compared to regular white adipose tissue that has far less mitochondria. Supposedly cold stimulates mitochondria to begin metabolizing at an astounding rate, and the most effective way to control that cold is with immersion in water. I’ve seen videos of people doing it, and it looks like absolute hell! But to a person, people who do it report an incredible burst of clear mindedness, sustain energy and cognitive function, and improved athletic performance.

[patentlymn]

There is something called Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT). It burns calories at a high rate compared to other tissues. Scientists knew that in humans this tissues goes away when kids get older as such baby fat goes away.

One day someone had a scan, maybe a PET scan. It was corrupted and looked weird. There was a protocol room temperature for the scan but it was done at a much lower room temperature. Turns out the cold temps had activated the BAT which was burning calories. Turns out people can have BAT mostly near their neck, collarbones, and upper shoulders?

There was a theory that central heating made people fat. I saw some proposed method for weight loss involving messing with body temp sensors maybe at your wrists and/or neck?

The rage right now, particularly among athletes and fitness gurus, is the ice bath plunge. Specifically for that reason. The reason brown adipose tissue is brown is because it is densely packed with mitochondria as compared to regular white adipose tissue that has far less mitochondria. Supposedly cold stimulates mitochondria to begin metabolizing at an astounding rate, and the most effective way to control that cold is with immersion in water. I’ve seen videos of people doing it, and it looks like absolute hell! But to a person, people who do it report an incredible burst of clear mindedness, sustain energy and cognitive function, and improved athletic performance.

Wow. I had not thought of BAT for 10 years. I did not know it was a thing.

[Libertas]

I'm still exploring this and think I will have a hybrid plan, it might not be a full ketosis effort...we'll see...the weight loss isn't the primary goal, detoxifying and helping my metabolism is, I've levelled off at 235 for about 20+ years now largely through portion control and my bloodwork has always been in-range FWIW, if I lose a little weight, swell I'll take it, but at almost 6'2" I don't think I need to lose a big number, never did agree with the anorexia-pushing BMI numbers of the so-called "experts"...if I get to 200 or a bit less would be fine with me...

From what I believe about this stuff.
'1. See if you can hold off eating until noon or maybe later. It is doable without huge effort.
2. Try to reduce processed foods mostly for general health to reduce seed oils. I still eat them.I should not.  Pizzas. Frozen beef bean burritos.
3. Saturated fats are good for you. Poly unsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) are bad for you. Olive oil is OK. Fat kills hunger for a long time.
4. Walk every day not to burn calories but because walking is magic.
5. Stuff yourself with green vegetables. Lots of butter helps.
7. Reduce carbs to the extent you can.
8. If you can, take the time make your own salad dressings with healthier oils.

I can do most of that.  The big battle will be avoiding the insidious presence of sugar in just about every damned thing.  And, like I said it may be more of a hybrid thing with me...I have to have a decent pizza once in a while, I have to have pasta once in a while...they will have to be special treats.

[Libertas]

There is something called Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT). It burns calories at a high rate compared to other tissues. Scientists knew that in humans this tissues goes away when kids get older as such baby fat goes away.

One day someone had a scan, maybe a PET scan. It was corrupted and looked weird. There was a protocol room temperature for the scan but it was done at a much lower room temperature. Turns out the cold temps had activated the BAT which was burning calories. Turns out people can have BAT mostly near their neck, collarbones, and upper shoulders?

There was a theory that central heating made people fat. I saw some proposed method for weight loss involving messing with body temp sensors maybe at your wrists and/or neck?

The rage right now, particularly among athletes and fitness gurus, is the ice bath plunge. Specifically for that reason. The reason brown adipose tissue is brown is because it is densely packed with mitochondria as compared to regular white adipose tissue that has far less mitochondria. Supposedly cold stimulates mitochondria to begin metabolizing at an astounding rate, and the most effective way to control that cold is with immersion in water. I’ve seen videos of people doing it, and it looks like absolute hell! But to a person, people who do it report an incredible burst of clear mindedness, sustain energy and cognitive function, and improved athletic performance.

Wow. I had not thought of BAT for 10 years. I did not know it was a thing.

And no condemnation of central air.   

[patentlymn]

I have no idea how pizza ingredients and pasta sauce ingredients vary. Aldi has some healthy foods.

I  perspire a lot so a fan on me cools me and I like the noise and feeling.
I have no used AC in MN yet this summer. I do not suffer.

[patentlymn]

I found an old topic also on seed oils.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18398.0.html

I don't go nuts over this seed oil thing but it does seem to track modern ailments better than other dietary trends.
I treated myself to a lemon meringue pie from the freezer section. From Marie Callender. I can see them using soybean oil in the crust instead of lard but this seems like too much. I ate the whole thing over time.
 
 The label says water, sugar, enriched wheat flour, soybean oil and hydrogenated soybean oil, .... So soybean oil at 3rd or 4th place depending on how you count water.

Less than 2 pct egg whites. 32 g sugar per 1/8 pie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StopEatingSeedOils/comments/1f25ww7/heres_the_butter_theyre_pouring_on_the_theater/

The popcorn topping from a theater. No butter.
Soybean oil, then hydrogenated soybean oil.


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